It looks like the text of the original the novel is online.
The main thing to note here is that they will fuck up the movie. There is no way they can be honest to the spirit of the novel and get the movie distributed in the malls of America. Then again, the perversion of the novel will pay for a shopping trip to those malls for the heirs of PKD, who, I would assume, are happy to live in the world he predicted.
Anyways, my favorite part of the novel is this, where one of the characters has decided to commit suicide by overdose:
Back home again, he uncorked the wine, let it breathe, drank a few glasses of it, spent a few minutes contemplating his favorite page of _The Illustrated Picture Book of Sex_, which showed the girl on top, then placed the plastic bag of reds beside his bed, lay down with the Ayn Rand book and unfinished protest letter to Exxon, tried to think of something meaningful but could not, although he kept remembering the girl being on top, and then, with a glass of the Cabernet Sauvignon, gulped down all the reds at once. After that, the deed being done, he lay back, the Ayn Rand book and letter on his chest, and waited.
However, he had been burned. The capsules were not barbiturates, as represented. They were some kind of kinky psychedelics, of a type he had never dropped before, probably a mixture, and new on the market. Instead of quietly suffocating, Charles Freck began to hallucinate. Well, he thought philosophically, this is the story of my life. Always ripped off. He had to face the fact--considering how many of the capsules he had swallowed--that he was in for some trip.
The next thing he knew, a creature from between dimensions was standing beside his bed looking down at him disapprovingly.
The creature had many eyes, all over it, ultra-modern expensive-looking clothing, and rose up eight feet high. Also, it carried an enormous scroll.
"You're going to read me my sins," Charles Freck said.
The creature nodded and unsealed the scroll.
Freck said, lying helpless on his bed, "and it's going to take a hundred thousand hours."
Fixing its many compound eyes on him, the creature from between dimensions said, "We are no longer in the mundane universe. Lower-plane categories of material existence such as 'space' and 'time' no longer apply to you. You have been elevated to the transcendent realm. Your sins will be read to you ceaselessly, in shifts, throughout eternity. The list will never end."
Know your dealer, Charles Freck thought, and wished he could take back the last half-hour of his life.
A thousand years later he was still lying there on his bed with the Ayn Rand book and the letter to Exxon on his chest, listening to them read his sins to him. They had gotten up to the first grade, when he was six years old.
Ten thousand years later they had reached the sixth grade.
The year he had discovered masturbation.
That, my friends, is some fine fucking literature.
Write a poem, paint a picture, write a song, prove a theorem, run a business, discover a new cure, a new gene, or particle and run a business. Do any two of those things above simultaiously and above the level of mediocrity and we speak again.
Can the two I choose be run a business and run a business?
You will notice that people who design cars still get paid significantly more than people who repair them.
I don't think this is a good analogy for software development. Designing code and writing new code is easy. Maintaining someone else's code is hard. At least for me. Being able to quickly find and fix bugs that are somewhere in 100000 lines of code that may be poorly commented if at all is a rare skill. I have much more respect for these people than for the software 'architects' I know who say 'oh, I don't code anymore'.
Now, what i think would be cool would be to have an on-line type of library where you can check the book out onto your computer for a certain amount of time and then it maybe self deletes or something when the time limit is over if you haven't renewed it. I think when people think Internet, they should be thinking, really big library
Hmmmmm.....a library......
Can book publishers legally prevent libraries from loaning out books they publish? How about music? Can music publishers prevent libraries from loaning out CDs? What if they're CDs of MP3s? What if the libraries loan them out by putting them on the web? Aren't public libraries exactly as ethical/unethical as Napster?
no commerically available product which would have the ability of wiping a drive which could not be recovered
Which has to be bullshit if you think about it. If you overwrote a hard drive a million times with meaningful data, would they be able to get back every version? A billion times? If so, then when are they coming out with that 8 byte hard drive with unlimited storage? At some number of overwritings with random data, the original data would have to be lost.
The help files that come with PGP recommend: 3 passes for personal use 10 passes for commercial use 18 passes for military use 26 passes for maximum protection
And it says that commercial data recovery companies have been able to recover data after it was overwritten 9 times.
Actually, I never "cried" because the net isn't as rigorous and anti-racist as I preferred. I simply used your post as a clear example that it wasn't, in response to claims that it was
You still have not ( because you can not ) answered the basic charge I have made: no one knows your race, sex, religion or level of education here unless you personally make it a point of broadcasting it. The fact that racists and sexists use the internet does not mean that the internet is sexist and racist anymore than the fact that racists and sexists use typewriters means that typewriters are racist and sexist.
And expecting intellectual rigor from a medium open to anyone is obviously sub-moronic.
it's fun to watch you try, especially when you use big words like specification and adequate
I apologize if you have trouble understanding big words like 'adequate'. I could really have fun with this one, but it's too easy. I'm disappointed, quite frankly.
So some of the supposed bias disappears depending on the attitude of the test taker? How real then, is the supposed bias?
Asians self selected to come over here? So did whites, hispanics, American Indians, other kinds of Indians, and everybody else except some percentage of the black population. The vast majority of people in America today have great grandparents or great great grandparents who were born in another country. Is your argument that because many blacks didn't select to come here that we got the stupidest blacks instead of the smartest? Well, then the tests would seem to be doing their job then right? Or do you think the gap between test scores for whites and asians will disappear in a decade or so? I sincerely doubt it.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the color-blind, non-sexist, intellectually rigorous, all-inclusive meritocracy that is the net
Nobody knows what color you are here unless you tell them. It seems that for some people, the color of their skin is such an ingrained part of their identity that they can't go more than 25 or 30 seconds without mentioning it. It's pretty boring, actually.
Same thing goes for sex.
You expected the net to be 'intellectually rigorous'? Then you are 'intellectually challenged'.
All inclusive? Well, you have to know how to type.
A meritocracy? Well, if you had posted your comments to this dicussion without making references to your skin color or level of education, what else would we judge them on? But fortunately, you make an easy target. People who obsess about their race seem to be drawn to the lure of well-crafted flamebait, thus providing me with some cheap laughs. Have a nice day, dumb ass.
While your relatives were fighting for a decent job, they were fighting for the simple right to vote. For the right to ride the same bus, use the same restrooms and go to the same schools.
And how well off would those people today if they hadn't been brought to America as slaves? Slavery still exists in Africa today, if you feel so strongly about slavery, why aren't you doing something about it?
And now that you have made something of youself you flaunt it and denounce those that could not.
Fucking right I do. If black people would have the same attitude instead of the contempt for education and hard work that many of them display, half the problem would be solved.
You do not need to do this personally, but try to see to it that your tax money goes there, and elect the people who say they will enforce that.
You didn't understand a word I wrote. It doesn't take much money. What was the statistic that was posted somewhere on this discussion about how much money was spent for clothes for a black child in a year? $2400 or something. And they can't afford a computer? Give me a break. I doubt I've spent $2400 on clothes in the last 10 years.
And, in fact, you don't even deserve what you worked for. No one does
No, I do. You don't. And I bet it burns you up, too.
Truly, I'm utterly unimpressed with everyone's suffering, but it's nice to know that everyone on this board had to walk uphill both ways to make it to school each day
From your other posts, that doesn't seem to be true. You seem to be quite impressed with black people's suffering, and unimpressed with white people's suffering, and totally and completely ignorant of any other ethnic group's suffering. In other words you're a fucking racist.
As far as 'everyone on this board' talking about how hard they had it, that doesn't seem to be true either. It would seem that the people who claim to have had to overcome some pretty serious obstacles don't appreciate being told that they need to help other people overcome those obstacles. If someone wants to know how to become a programmer, I'll tell them. I'm not going to wipe their butts for them and pay for their crack habits.
We don't need to _give_ anybody anything. If you want something, learn to fight for it. Most people aren't able to rise above it? So what, the world needs janitors too.
And yes I've been poor before. I've shoplifted just to be able to eat and I've worked shitty manual labor jobs to be able to buy computer equipment and go to school.
As far as the contention that the computer industry is all white, it looks more like all brown from where I'm sitting, most of the people I work with are from India or Pakistan, but why let facts get in the way of a good piece of whining, right?
Someone wants to learn how to program they can get a used Pentium for a couple hundred dollars. You can get a dial up connection for free if you can stand the ads. You can get C/C++ compilers for free. Perl, free. PHP/MySQL, free. The JDK, free. A terrabyte of source code, free. Programming is one of the least exclusionary professions on the face of the earth. Ask all the 18 and 19 year old programmers and sys admins.
Hmm. They usually ask me for my phone number and address. It always bothers me when private companies want to know more about me.
Don't let it bother you, just have fun with it. Give them the phone number of the other Radio Shack across town, or whatever. The same thing that you should do when nosysite.com wants an e-mail address before they let you download something, give them root@nosysite.com.
I'm sure the more imaginative amongst you can think of better pranks...........
As far as putting my fingerprints on an ID card, it's no big deal, you'll just have to kill me first. I'd rather die free than live as a slave.
While making mp3s available for people to copy is copyright infringement, there is a legal question as to whether copying those files is fair use, because, as the article says, your hard drive is not legally considered a digital audio recording device. Several copyright lawyers in the article expressed their opinion that copying the files, under current law, would be fair use.
All rather academic from a personal standpoint, I prefer vinyl.
There are bonus things for all the levels but it's not always fruit. After about the 13th or 15th level, its keys. They're worth 5000 points, and its keys all the way to the last screen.
"The urge to destroy is a also a creative urge." -Mikhail Bakunin
"Build it right up, knock it right down." - Swervedriver
All computer geeks are sociopaths, pal. Face it.
And who is the coward? Who is taking the risk here? Who stands to lose the most here? If you're a cracker, and you f**k up, you go to jail. You can talk about your pretty little ideas all you want but to call crackers cowards is extremely misguided when they are risking their physical freedom and anal virginity to commit their silly exploits.
Personally, I feel the only laws we need are the law against murder and the laws of thermodynamics, let's dump the rest of them, it'll be fun.
There's a difference between destroying information and stealing information. I don't have any problem with the latter.
If you want to keep a piece of information secret, what, pray tell, are you doing by placing that piece of information on a network that is reachable by anyone on the planet with a $200 computer and half a brain?
I'll tell you what you're doing, you're being ignorant.
The only cracking I've done is breaking into the CGIs I write at work in order to make it harder for someone else to do it, but I know there are people way smarter than me who could get in if they want to. All this whining about teenage geeks doing what teenage geeks do best is just silly.
If you leave your wallet full of cash sitting on the front seat of your unlocked car at night, you can whine and whine and whine when it gets stolen but I'm not gonna feel sorry for you.
Grow up. The more hackers there are out there, the more we get paid.
Well, we're not there yet, though it is a technological possibility......
There wasn't an absolute monarchy when the colonies rebelled? Well, you could have argued with the king of England about that (the Americans certainly did....)
Far as the monarchy thing goes, last I heard the British still had some weird sort of thing where you could be considered 'royalty' because you had the right parents.
So is it pointless to argue about who invented things? I don't think so. Such an argument shows the importance of freedom to scientific progress. The same kind of freedom that lets you say anything you please, as long as you don't hurt anyone, the same kind of freedom that allows you to own a gun, as long as you don't hurt anyone, this is the kind of freedom that allows a Robert Goddard to invent rocket science.
Good post though, of all the people disagreeing with me, your post is definitely the most well argued. Bravo.
The first skyscraper was the Home Insurance Building, built at the corner of LaSalle and Adams streets, Chicago, USA.
The first aeroplane flight, as you well know, was at Kitty Hawk, USA.
First liquid fueled rocket, Dr. Robert Goddard,March 16, 1926, Worchester, Massachusetts.(214 Patents for rocket designs, inspiration for the German Wernher von Braun)
First radio transmission - ok, you got me there, I apologize I was wrong(although I don't believe Marconi was Canadian).
And, final point, where does the progenitor of that operating system live and work today?
So we had a democracy when taxes could be imposed on us without our consent?
Wrong.
So we had a democracy when foreign soldiers could be quartered in our homes without our consent?
Wrong.
We didn't have a democracy when we were part of the British Empire, we had a king.
And yes the first video game was made here, Steve Russell, an MIT student created Spacewar, the first interactive computer game.
And before it was the internet, it was ARPANET, 1969 US Department of Defense Issue, built to withstand an attack by a nuclear adversary, or even by someone who can't even spell American.
Slashdot Mirror
The main thing to note here is that they will fuck up the movie. There is no way they can be honest to the spirit of the novel and get the movie distributed in the malls of America. Then again, the perversion of the novel will pay for a shopping trip to those malls for the heirs of PKD, who, I would assume, are happy to live in the world he predicted.
Anyways, my favorite part of the novel is this, where one of the characters has decided to commit suicide by overdose:
That, my friends, is some fine fucking literature.
Why not read a great novel instead. Like say, oh, I don't know...A Scanner Darkly?
then why are you wearing clothes?"
Write a poem, paint a picture, write a song, prove a theorem, run a business, discover a new cure, a new gene, or particle and run a business. Do any two of those things above simultaiously and above the level of mediocrity and we speak again.
Can the two I choose be run a business and run a business?
Marge (to Homer): That's your solution to everything: move under the sea - it's not gonna happen!
You will notice that people who design cars still get paid significantly more than people who repair them.
I don't think this is a good analogy for software development. Designing code and writing new code is easy. Maintaining someone else's code is hard. At least for me. Being able to quickly find and fix bugs that are somewhere in 100000 lines of code that may be poorly commented if at all is a rare skill. I have much more respect for these people than for the software 'architects' I know who say 'oh, I don't code anymore'.
Now, what i think would be cool would be to have an on-line type of library where you can check the book out onto your computer for a certain amount of time and then it maybe self deletes or something when the time limit is over if you haven't renewed it. I think when people think Internet, they should be thinking, really big library
Hmmmmm.....a library......
Can book publishers legally prevent libraries from loaning out books they publish? How about music? Can music publishers prevent libraries from loaning out CDs? What if they're CDs of MP3s? What if the libraries loan them out by putting them on the web? Aren't public libraries exactly as ethical/unethical as Napster?
no commerically available product which would have the ability of wiping a drive which could not be recovered
Which has to be bullshit if you think about it. If you overwrote a hard drive a million times with meaningful data, would they be able to get back every version? A billion times? If so, then when are they coming out with that 8 byte hard drive with unlimited storage? At some number of overwritings with random data, the original data would have to be lost.
The help files that come with PGP recommend:
3 passes for personal use
10 passes for commercial use
18 passes for military use
26 passes for maximum protection
And it says that commercial data recovery companies have been able to recover data after it was overwritten 9 times.
Sorry Jon Shaft, but you need to reread the story more closey
More closey? Busted.
Actually, I never "cried" because the net isn't as rigorous and anti-racist as I preferred. I simply used your post as a clear example that it wasn't, in response to claims that it was
You still have not ( because you can not ) answered the basic charge I have made: no one knows your race, sex, religion or level of education here unless you personally make it a point of broadcasting it. The fact that racists and sexists use the internet does not mean that the internet is sexist and racist anymore than the fact that racists and sexists use typewriters means that typewriters are racist and sexist.
And expecting intellectual rigor from a medium open to anyone is obviously sub-moronic.
it's fun to watch you try, especially when you use big words like specification and adequate
I apologize if you have trouble understanding big words like 'adequate'. I could really have fun with this one, but it's too easy. I'm disappointed, quite frankly.
So some of the supposed bias disappears depending on the attitude of the test taker? How real then, is the supposed bias?
Asians self selected to come over here? So did whites, hispanics, American Indians, other kinds of Indians, and everybody else except some percentage of the black population. The vast majority of people in America today have great grandparents or great great grandparents who were born in another country. Is your argument that because many blacks didn't select to come here that we got the stupidest blacks instead of the smartest? Well, then the tests would seem to be doing their job then right? Or do you think the gap between test scores for whites and asians will disappear in a decade or so? I sincerely doubt it.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the color-blind, non-sexist, intellectually rigorous, all-inclusive meritocracy that is the net
Nobody knows what color you are here unless you tell them. It seems that for some people, the color of their skin is such an ingrained part of their identity that they can't go more than 25 or 30 seconds without mentioning it. It's pretty boring, actually.
Same thing goes for sex.
You expected the net to be 'intellectually rigorous'? Then you are 'intellectually challenged'.
All inclusive? Well, you have to know how to type.
A meritocracy? Well, if you had posted your comments to this dicussion without making references to your skin color or level of education, what else would we judge them on? But fortunately, you make an easy target. People who obsess about their race seem to be drawn to the lure of well-crafted flamebait, thus providing me with some cheap laughs. Have a nice day, dumb ass.
While your relatives were fighting for a decent job, they were fighting for the simple right to vote. For the right to ride the same bus, use the same restrooms and go to the same schools.
And how well off would those people today if they hadn't been brought to America as slaves? Slavery still exists in Africa today, if you feel so strongly about slavery, why aren't you doing something about it?
And now that you have made something of youself you flaunt it and denounce those that could not.
Fucking right I do. If black people would have the same attitude instead of the contempt for education and hard work that many of them display, half the problem would be solved.
You do not need to do this personally, but try to see to it that your tax money goes there, and elect the people who say they will enforce that.
You didn't understand a word I wrote. It doesn't take much money. What was the statistic that was posted somewhere on this discussion about how much money was spent for clothes for a black child in a year? $2400 or something. And they can't afford a computer? Give me a break. I doubt I've spent $2400 on clothes in the last 10 years.
And, in fact, you don't even deserve what you worked for. No one does
No, I do. You don't. And I bet it burns you up, too.
Truly, I'm utterly unimpressed with everyone's suffering, but it's nice to know that everyone on this board had to walk uphill both ways to make it to school each day
From your other posts, that doesn't seem to be true. You seem to be quite impressed with black people's suffering, and unimpressed with white people's suffering, and totally and completely ignorant of any other ethnic group's suffering. In other words you're a fucking racist.
As far as 'everyone on this board' talking about how hard they had it, that doesn't seem to be true either. It would seem that the people who claim to have had to overcome some pretty serious obstacles don't appreciate being told that they need to help other people overcome those obstacles. If someone wants to know how to become a programmer, I'll tell them. I'm not going to wipe their butts for them and pay for their crack habits.
Get some self-esteem.
Go fuck yourself.
This is bullshit.
We don't need to _give_ anybody anything. If you want something, learn to fight for it. Most people aren't able to rise above it? So what, the world needs janitors too.
And yes I've been poor before. I've shoplifted just to be able to eat and I've worked shitty manual labor jobs to be able to buy computer equipment and go to school.
As far as the contention that the computer industry is all white, it looks more like all brown from where I'm sitting, most of the people I work with are from India or Pakistan, but why let facts get in the way of a good piece of whining, right?
Someone wants to learn how to program they can get a used Pentium for a couple hundred dollars. You can get a dial up connection for free if you can stand the ads. You can get C/C++ compilers for free. Perl, free. PHP/MySQL, free. The JDK, free. A terrabyte of source code, free. Programming is one of the least exclusionary professions on the face of the earth. Ask all the 18 and 19 year old programmers and sys admins.
Hmm. They usually ask me for my phone number and address. It always bothers me when private companies want to know more about me.
Don't let it bother you, just have fun with it. Give them the phone number of the other Radio Shack across town, or whatever. The same thing that you should do when nosysite.com wants an e-mail address before they let you download something, give them root@nosysite.com.
I'm sure the more imaginative amongst you can think of better pranks...........
As far as putting my fingerprints on an ID card, it's no big deal, you'll just have to kill me first. I'd rather die free than live as a slave.
Basically.... Using illegal MP3's is the choice of the individual. Sure, we all do anyways, but the fact is that they -are- illegal
That's not what the article says.
Read the article.
While making mp3s available for people to copy is copyright infringement, there is a legal question as to whether copying those files is fair use, because, as the article says, your hard drive is not legally considered a digital audio recording device. Several copyright lawyers in the article expressed their opinion that copying the files, under current law, would be fair use.
All rather academic from a personal standpoint, I prefer vinyl.
There are bonus things for all the levels but it's not always fruit. After about the 13th or 15th level, its keys. They're worth 5000 points, and its keys all the way to the last screen.
"The urge to destroy is a also a creative urge." -Mikhail Bakunin
"Build it right up, knock it right down." - Swervedriver
All computer geeks are sociopaths, pal. Face it.
And who is the coward? Who is taking the risk here? Who stands to lose the most here? If you're a cracker, and you f**k up, you go to jail. You can talk about your pretty little ideas all you want but to call crackers cowards is extremely misguided when they are risking their physical freedom and anal virginity to commit their silly exploits.
Personally, I feel the only laws we need are the law against murder and the laws of thermodynamics, let's dump the rest of them, it'll be fun.
There's a difference between destroying information and stealing information. I don't have any problem with the latter.
If you want to keep a piece of information secret, what, pray tell, are you doing by placing that piece of information on a network that is reachable by anyone on the planet with a $200 computer and half a brain?
I'll tell you what you're doing, you're being ignorant.
The only cracking I've done is breaking into the CGIs I write at work in order to make it harder for someone else to do it, but I know there are people way smarter than me who could get in if they want to. All this whining about teenage geeks doing what teenage geeks do best is just silly.
If you leave your wallet full of cash sitting on the front seat of your unlocked car at night, you can whine and whine and whine when it gets stolen but I'm not gonna feel sorry for you.
Grow up. The more hackers there are out there, the more we get paid.
Full democracy?
Well, we're not there yet, though it is a technological possibility......
There wasn't an absolute monarchy when the colonies rebelled? Well, you could have argued with the king of England about that (the Americans certainly did....)
Far as the monarchy thing goes, last I heard the British still had some weird sort of thing where you could be considered 'royalty' because you had the right parents.
So is it pointless to argue about who invented things? I don't think so. Such an argument shows the importance of freedom to scientific progress. The same kind of freedom that lets you say anything you please, as long as you don't hurt anyone, the same kind of freedom that allows you to own a gun, as long as you don't hurt anyone, this is the kind of freedom that allows a Robert Goddard to invent rocket science.
Good post though, of all the people disagreeing with me, your post is definitely the most well argued. Bravo.
The first skyscraper was the Home Insurance Building, built at the corner of LaSalle and Adams streets, Chicago, USA.
The first aeroplane flight, as you well know, was at Kitty Hawk, USA.
First liquid fueled rocket, Dr. Robert Goddard,March 16, 1926, Worchester, Massachusetts.(214 Patents for rocket designs, inspiration for the German Wernher von Braun)
First radio transmission - ok, you got me there, I apologize I was wrong(although I don't believe Marconi was Canadian).
And, final point, where does the progenitor of that operating system live and work today?
End of discussion.
So we had a democracy when taxes could be imposed on us without our consent?
Wrong.
So we had a democracy when foreign soldiers could be quartered in our homes without our consent?
Wrong.
We didn't have a democracy when we were part of the British Empire, we had a king.
And yes the first video game was made here, Steve Russell, an MIT student created Spacewar, the first interactive computer game.
And before it was the internet, it was ARPANET, 1969 US Department of Defense Issue, built to withstand an attack by a nuclear adversary, or even by someone who can't even spell American.