Well, why not just make them spend an hour a day playing Counterstrike instead? That's probably even better for repetitive, thoughtless psychomotor training.
if you substitute cs for another game more appropiate for the age range, then you might have a point. however i still think handwriting to be a preferable choice, since it is also basic training for other skills like drawing or callygraphy, it doesn't imply eye strain and kiddos will be engaged with the console for hours anyway. also, who told you learning handwriting is repetitive or thoughtless? it may be repetitive at first when you get your basic strokes right, but it certainly implies attention and can even be quite a pleasant experience.
But you just said that was a good thing. I'm confused. Either we should be making students engage in rote, repetitive exercises in classrooms, or we should not. Which is it?
handwriting is one of such things were you actually benefit from a human aid at the start. once you got it right you can practice alone. all in all i don't see any contradiction, you don't expect kids to learn handwriting at age 15 do you?
Nothing short of a coincident nuclear war, zombie apocalypse, asteroid strike, and nearby gamma-ray burst is going to lead the human race back to handwriting as a data entry method.
we live in different worlds: in mine handwriting *is* the most extended method in the world today, by quite a margin. it also seems to recede but for what i have seen there's really no absolute guarrantee that things will stay this way indefinitely. sorry, i got no proof, but i didn't make a bold statement either, i just pointed at the uncertainty factor. what are yours to predict a world dominated by keyboards?
well, you seemed to have a problem with my "attitude", and i'm not totally sure you understood my point in the first place. but since you don't intend to discuss any further it's kind of moot now. just fine.
EVERYTHING you do with your computers boils down to a) run programs, b) manage files, c) manage views. there is nothing more that you, as a user, can do with a computer, and there is nothing you can do with a computer that involves anything else but those things. how hard is it to design an ui for that?
it becomes complex the moment you try to invent ways to fool people into doing those things without knowing. why? the fuck should i know. you want to use a computer you better get familiar with those 3 basic functions, you start remembering where you store your own crap, and you don't need much of an ui anymore. anything else is wasting anyone's time, except making rich a few who know how to keep you ignorant.
code in emacs or vim just seems like an exercise in masochism after you get used to a modern IDE.
i have used probably more that two dozens of ides professionally in my life. there were some very cool tools, but they come and go. eclipse, which just rocked for years, is now a bloated monster. just an example, all of them dissapeared one way or the other.
then i returned to emacs, which i had tinkered with in my early years, and realized: this software was written before i was born, it runs on anything from a computer to a bread toaster, it has a solution for anything i as a developer might need, it is still in full shape today with a vibrant community and it will most probably continue running long after i am gone.
now i would feel like an idiot if i didn't stick to emacs. let's come back to this discussion after you have burned through your two dozen shiny ides.
i've been using linux on the desktop for decades now. of the zillions of ui's available, i remember doing pretty well with either windowmaker, gome (2), xfce, never liked kde but there were always options. since the gome 3 fiasco i got into tiling window managers and realized i had never actually *needed* anything else.
so ymmv but for me particularly linux has the best desktop uis available today, period. ui is only complex if you want to get dumb peolple to do smart things, and that's just impossible, a chimera. windows and mac OS are a bloody testament to that, ffs.
Every commercial software product I've worked on has had at least some level of unit testing, QA and UAT before it's considered ready for prime time
"at least some" just isn't enough, if it were true at all (you can't tell for commercial software because you only have gratuituous statements like yours to back it). and i've seen quite a bunch of commercial projects going through qa and uat while missing severe bugs, even fundamental design flaws going unnoticed.
the antagony open vs commercial is a fallacy. there's only competent vs incompetent teams, and both happen in both scenarios. the only difference is that with commercial closed software you'll never know, but you will always get the same rainbow & unicorns explanation.
makes me remember when i had that persistent bsod when using a brand new ms certified nic with ms certified drivers on ms windows. i remember exhausting all options for support, from usenet to manufacturer forums, to no avail. but it worked like a charm on linux. yes, on that outdated, primitive and monolithic kernel.
Long division probably crosses that line, and cursive writing indisputably does.
yet i dispute this. you do learn to crawl on all fours before you get to walking, and crawling helps develop fundamental brain functions. cursive writing merits several courses and practice just for the psychomotor training and brain activity involved. for practical use typing is nowadays preferrable but handwriting is still an important excercise, dropping it completely is sad and silly.
At some point you're just misusing the limited classroom time you have available.
classroom time is squandered nowadays anyway. it's used rather inefficiently for knowledge transfer, something students could do perfectly well or even better at home at their own pace with current technolgy, while reserving classrom time for group work, discussion and social interaction, which are neglected. also i would dispute our present school systems are "educational" at all, their focus is on training workers and uniforming thought processes. that would be the opposite of education in my handwritten book.
and of course i wonder how you are so sure that there will be many keyobards around in a few decades time...
I wonder if anyone has ever used click-bait to kill someone....
you may be referring to kill-bait?
anyway, that ubiquitous and cheap tech now enables everyone to mass-kill is just fair. us & israel should suck it up and show some sportmanship at least.
i can understand that people may like what they get in return for being a product, and respect the decision, but in the end that's what they become.
it's not like it's brought up to piss you (random reader) off, you have to understand that the moment you consent in being a product you have to expect being routinely exploited like this lady has (allegedly) been.
of course, someone could make a big drama out of this, even have some regulation enforced to protect the products' rights... it won't change the basic relationship: she made her choice, complains are futile because this exploitation is at the root of the business model she is happily part of. it simply wouldn't work - wouldn't exist - if it had to respect privacy.
so it may be in fact a cliché, but as long as such news keep hitting the headlines you can't possibly say it's being overused.
you got that wrong. searching for a company name is anecdotical. what you want is that people searching for *the stuff* your company provides lands on your site instead of the competitors'. odds are those people don't even know that your company exists in the first place.
Capitalism (private ownership and operation of property) in a free market system (system free of government intervention) has proven to be the best system for generating profits
doesn't make it good. specially not if it's not sustainable. and this:
while improving the overall economy for all people involved.
is false. it has improved the economy for some, at the cost of busting the economy for many.
capitalism is no good if it doesn't generate actual value besides profit and doesn't control inequality. a global market whose only regulation is concerned with protecting profits and socializing losses is a call for disaster. factor in the surge of an uncontrolled financial economy which even manages to destroy value and you'll see very clearly why the world is in shit that deep. funny times ahead indeed.
the question isn't "capitalism" or not, but how. uncontrolled capitalism ends up working by just displacing costs, either to other territories or people, or into the future. this may seem like big business but these costs do pile up and "overall" each year we are in deeper shit.
he said "if you want to succeed in". which starts with the with the obvious question (witch many possible non-obvious answers) of what your definition of success is. i guess you're lacking... a success compass!!
i don't think so. in forth the awkward syntax actually accounts for a different paradigm. in go it just seems whimsical (speaking as someone who just did some go tuts, i find it has actually some pretty cool features... i'd like to use in c!)
1-2-3-4 = you are obviously part of the problem (so why do you even bother to complain?) 3 = you also are either completely delusional or trapped in an environment so toxic i wouldn't even want to know about. my condolences
ALl this man did was help build a search enging allowing people to share.
This only benefits society.
they did way more than that. they openly challenged (and btw totally pissed off, with unparallelled style) a greedy and indecent establishment that doesn't give a shit about benefits for society. in doing that they set an example to follow at the very beginning of an era change. sadly, society was not ready and did nothing to protect them. but that's how society evolves, slowly, often thanks to and at the expense of guys like them.
nah, that was a joke. fact is i write as i please and you are not required to read; nor to be a dick about it, but if that helps you in any way then that's just great.:)
If the Pope says (confirming what mainstream Christians have believed for a long time)
what mainstream christians?
i read the pope's quote yesterday, it later came to mind when i stumbled on yet-another-creationism-thread here on slashdot, about michigan state university hosting a conference and such. do us citizens realize that this is a problem with us christians *only*? they are not mainstream at all! that this ongoing charade is possible in a developed country is startling. you won't find such widespread intellectual insult among western christians elsewhere. not even in spain, with an extreme national-catholic background still deeply entrenched in power and pretty low scores in education, does this find a minimum audience. not even on junk tv. in us it spread from the university!? dudes,...
that homosexuals aren't bad, and now Evolution and Big Bang are consistent with orthodox Catholic thought, what the heck else are we going to build our strawmen attacks out of?...because you don't really think this will change anyone's mind about how they feel about religion, do you?
francisco is cool, exactly the worst pope to have. ratzinger's rancid fundamentalism was just fine, it drove many lost souls away. too bad, the roman catholic church must have had an epiphany, because they realized this too. now they have a celebrity!
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Well, why not just make them spend an hour a day playing Counterstrike instead? That's probably even better for repetitive, thoughtless psychomotor training.
if you substitute cs for another game more appropiate for the age range, then you might have a point. however i still think handwriting to be a preferable choice, since it is also basic training for other skills like drawing or callygraphy, it doesn't imply eye strain and kiddos will be engaged with the console for hours anyway. also, who told you learning handwriting is repetitive or thoughtless? it may be repetitive at first when you get your basic strokes right, but it certainly implies attention and can even be quite a pleasant experience.
But you just said that was a good thing. I'm confused. Either we should be making students engage in rote, repetitive exercises in classrooms, or we should not. Which is it?
handwriting is one of such things were you actually benefit from a human aid at the start. once you got it right you can practice alone. all in all i don't see any contradiction, you don't expect kids to learn handwriting at age 15 do you?
Nothing short of a coincident nuclear war, zombie apocalypse, asteroid strike, and nearby gamma-ray burst is going to lead the human race back to handwriting as a data entry method.
we live in different worlds: in mine handwriting *is* the most extended method in the world today, by quite a margin. it also seems to recede but for what i have seen there's really no absolute guarrantee that things will stay this way indefinitely. sorry, i got no proof, but i didn't make a bold statement either, i just pointed at the uncertainty factor. what are yours to predict a world dominated by keyboards?
well, you seemed to have a problem with my "attitude", and i'm not totally sure you understood my point in the first place. but since you don't intend to discuss any further it's kind of moot now. just fine.
EVERYTHING you do with your computers boils down to a) run programs, b) manage files, c) manage views. there is nothing more that you, as a user, can do with a computer, and there is nothing you can do with a computer that involves anything else but those things. how hard is it to design an ui for that?
it becomes complex the moment you try to invent ways to fool people into doing those things without knowing. why? the fuck should i know. you want to use a computer you better get familiar with those 3 basic functions, you start remembering where you store your own crap, and you don't need much of an ui anymore. anything else is wasting anyone's time, except making rich a few who know how to keep you ignorant.
code in emacs or vim just seems like an exercise in masochism after you get used to a modern IDE.
i have used probably more that two dozens of ides professionally in my life. there were some very cool tools, but they come and go. eclipse, which just rocked for years, is now a bloated monster. just an example, all of them dissapeared one way or the other.
then i returned to emacs, which i had tinkered with in my early years, and realized: this software was written before i was born, it runs on anything from a computer to a bread toaster, it has a solution for anything i as a developer might need, it is still in full shape today with a vibrant community and it will most probably continue running long after i am gone.
now i would feel like an idiot if i didn't stick to emacs. let's come back to this discussion after you have burned through your two dozen shiny ides.
i've been using linux on the desktop for decades now. of the zillions of ui's available, i remember doing pretty well with either windowmaker, gome (2), xfce, never liked kde but there were always options. since the gome 3 fiasco i got into tiling window managers and realized i had never actually *needed* anything else.
so ymmv but for me particularly linux has the best desktop uis available today, period. ui is only complex if you want to get dumb peolple to do smart things, and that's just impossible, a chimera. windows and mac OS are a bloody testament to that, ffs.
Every commercial software product I've worked on has had at least some level of unit testing, QA and UAT before it's considered ready for prime time
"at least some" just isn't enough, if it were true at all (you can't tell for commercial software because you only have gratuituous statements like yours to back it). and i've seen quite a bunch of commercial projects going through qa and uat while missing severe bugs, even fundamental design flaws going unnoticed.
the antagony open vs commercial is a fallacy. there's only competent vs incompetent teams, and both happen in both scenarios. the only difference is that with commercial closed software you'll never know, but you will always get the same rainbow & unicorns explanation.
makes me remember when i had that persistent bsod when using a brand new ms certified nic with ms certified drivers on ms windows. i remember exhausting all options for support, from usenet to manufacturer forums, to no avail. but it worked like a charm on linux. yes, on that outdated, primitive and monolithic kernel.
Long division probably crosses that line, and cursive writing indisputably does.
yet i dispute this. you do learn to crawl on all fours before you get to walking, and crawling helps develop fundamental brain functions. cursive writing merits several courses and practice just for the psychomotor training and brain activity involved. for practical use typing is nowadays preferrable but handwriting is still an important excercise, dropping it completely is sad and silly.
At some point you're just misusing the limited classroom time you have available.
classroom time is squandered nowadays anyway. it's used rather inefficiently for knowledge transfer, something students could do perfectly well or even better at home at their own pace with current technolgy, while reserving classrom time for group work, discussion and social interaction, which are neglected. also i would dispute our present school systems are "educational" at all, their focus is on training workers and uniforming thought processes. that would be the opposite of education in my handwritten book.
and of course i wonder how you are so sure that there will be many keyobards around in a few decades time ...
eating the exact same toast every single day in your life ... you have lost your mind!
so true. so it's actually _us_ who are "lazy and incompetent". good we know, that would be a start.
I wonder if anyone has ever used click-bait to kill someone....
you may be referring to kill-bait?
anyway, that ubiquitous and cheap tech now enables everyone to mass-kill is just fair. us & israel should suck it up and show some sportmanship at least.
i can understand that people may like what they get in return for being a product, and respect the decision, but in the end that's what they become.
it's not like it's brought up to piss you (random reader) off, you have to understand that the moment you consent in being a product you have to expect being routinely exploited like this lady has (allegedly) been.
of course, someone could make a big drama out of this, even have some regulation enforced to protect the products' rights ... it won't change the basic relationship: she made her choice, complains are futile because this exploitation is at the root of the business model she is happily part of. it simply wouldn't work - wouldn't exist - if it had to respect privacy.
so it may be in fact a cliché, but as long as such news keep hitting the headlines you can't possibly say it's being overused.
you got that wrong. searching for a company name is anecdotical. what you want is that people searching for *the stuff* your company provides lands on your site instead of the competitors'. odds are those people don't even know that your company exists in the first place.
explains a lot.
What root console? If it is really END TO END, then WhatsApp can't see the data either.
and you verify that it is actually clean and secure end to end encryption on a device like a smartphone (take your pick) ... how?
oh, i'm supposed to trust a random app running on a platform with (or entirely consisting of) proprietary closed software and hardware. har! har!
Capitalism (private ownership and operation of property) in a free market system (system free of government intervention) has proven to be the best system for generating profits
doesn't make it good. specially not if it's not sustainable. and this:
while improving the overall economy for all people involved.
is false. it has improved the economy for some, at the cost of busting the economy for many.
capitalism is no good if it doesn't generate actual value besides profit and doesn't control inequality. a global market whose only regulation is concerned with protecting profits and socializing losses is a call for disaster. factor in the surge of an uncontrolled financial economy which even manages to destroy value and you'll see very clearly why the world is in shit that deep. funny times ahead indeed.
the question isn't "capitalism" or not, but how. uncontrolled capitalism ends up working by just displacing costs, either to other territories or people, or into the future. this may seem like big business but these costs do pile up and "overall" each year we are in deeper shit.
he said "if you want to succeed in". which starts with the with the obvious question (witch many possible non-obvious answers) of what your definition of success is. i guess you're lacking ... a success compass!!
Why make voting any more complicated than it has to be?
because there's big money to be made?
Its somewhat easier to learn and use than Forth,
i don't think so. in forth the awkward syntax actually accounts for a different paradigm. in go it just seems whimsical (speaking as someone who just did some go tuts, i find it has actually some pretty cool features ... i'd like to use in c!)
if it's not on torrent, it's not worth bothering. if it's worth watching, it will be, eventually.
have fun with your pocpcorn.
who could have guessed that users are so smart!?
1-2-3-4 = you are obviously part of the problem (so why do you even bother to complain?)
3 = you also are either completely delusional or trapped in an environment so toxic i wouldn't even want to know about. my condolences
ALl this man did was help build a search enging allowing people to share.
This only benefits society.
they did way more than that. they openly challenged (and btw totally pissed off, with unparallelled style) a greedy and indecent establishment that doesn't give a shit about benefits for society. in doing that they set an example to follow at the very beginning of an era change. sadly, society was not ready and did nothing to protect them. but that's how society evolves, slowly, often thanks to and at the expense of guys like them.
Learn to write properly or don't do it.
learn to read with an open mind or don't do it.
nah, that was a joke. fact is i write as i please and you are not required to read; nor to be a dick about it, but if that helps you in any way then that's just great. :)
If the Pope says (confirming what mainstream Christians have believed for a long time)
what mainstream christians?
i read the pope's quote yesterday, it later came to mind when i stumbled on yet-another-creationism-thread here on slashdot, about michigan state university hosting a conference and such. do us citizens realize that this is a problem with us christians *only*? they are not mainstream at all! that this ongoing charade is possible in a developed country is startling. you won't find such widespread intellectual insult among western christians elsewhere. not even in spain, with an extreme national-catholic background still deeply entrenched in power and pretty low scores in education, does this find a minimum audience. not even on junk tv. in us it spread from the university!? dudes, ...
that homosexuals aren't bad, and now Evolution and Big Bang are consistent with orthodox Catholic thought, what the heck else are we going to build our strawmen attacks out of? ...because you don't really think this will change anyone's mind about how they feel about religion, do you?
francisco is cool, exactly the worst pope to have. ratzinger's rancid fundamentalism was just fine, it drove many lost souls away. too bad, the roman catholic church must have had an epiphany, because they realized this too. now they have a celebrity!