Want to tell me a story? Write it down. Then I might read it.
And I have never watched a pre-roll video. Try to force an animated ad of some kind on me, and I close the window and do something else (sometimes reluctantly, if I really wanted to read the actual content).
I listen to podcasts in the car, and only in the car. It's generally frowned upon to read whilst sitting in the drivers seat of a moving vehicle.
The combination of original and advertising has long been the standard in radio, and is just accepted as the cost of keeping the lights on. What's so special about podcasts?
Plus, it is super easy to skip an ad. My podcast software has a "skip 30 seconds" button (configurable to any length, but 30secs seems to be standard ad length).
"I would like to tell you about a product..." skip " and now back to the show..."
people begin to not believe in hugely hyped vaporware currency. what a surprise... not.
Even at $6000- that's a huge mark up in value for someone who, say, got in 2 years ago. Few people would have done so well in the stock market. For those people who bought in at close to $20k- yeah... sucks to be them.
To me, the acid test is: if critics praise something as great art, would they be just as impressed if they didn't know who made it?
There are many cases of celebrated works that, when revealed to be a hoax, caused the critics to suddenly reverse their opinions as to how "artistic" it is.
Similarly, there have been cases of well-known artists submitting their work using a made up name of someone unfamous. The result? Nobody pays any attention to it.
I remember a test someone did with art critics where they had experts judge whether or not a small sample of a piece of work was from a small child's artwork or a master modern art artist. It was things like paint splatter art and things that looked like random scribbles or blobs. The art critics actually did a pretty good job of telling the two apart (even though to most untrained people who took the test had a hard time to tell them apart).
Most of the art critics admitted though that they could tell the difference in the quality of the paint or pastels used and that's how they knew them apart- the kids works were all done with cheap paints and the artist's work was done with expensive paint. Becoming an art critic doesn't improve your ability to recognize quality work- it only improves your ability to recognize expensive products used to make a piece.
A splattering of paint colours may look the same if a child or professional trained artist does it; but they could tell the difference between expensive paint used vs cheap paint used.
There will always be exceptions to almost every rule- but Australia probably isn't a good example; sure, it's what, about 18 million people spread out across an entire continent, but a large % of the country lives around the South Eastern coast and a few other population centres like Perth and Darwin. I've not used mobile data in Australia but I imagine there are vast parts of the interior without coverage- so the density is probably quite high overall where they do have coverage.
In a lot of the US outside the major population centers there are still quite a large number of small towns dotted about, so the area that needs to be covered is quite large.
With that said, I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule "higher density = lower cost" - but the relationship would trend along a scattergraph.
BT is a premium brand more equivalent to Verizon in the US. A quick google shows that the equivalent line on Verizon is $75. Plus, with American carriers you never actually pay the price that is quoted, there are always all sorts of taxes and fees added on AFTER the cost. So (not with Verizon myself), I imagine, what you actually pay is probably closer to $100- almost double the price.
the official language of the forum is American English*
Hmmmm... That is the language most used, but I don't know about official. I don't see officially stated anywhere that the forum is to use American English. I would quickly leave and not look back if they forced us to use American English.
Yes. Someone here has translated 800 (million) GBP into 1,030 (million) USD. Same was when round metric numbers get translated into weird-looking precise imperial equivalents. To put it correctly, "£800 million (just over a billion dollars)".
FWIW, here in the UK, billion is now completely understood the American way, 10^9. I've never heard milliard used outside of a general knowledge quiz, and the old 10^12 meaning of billion stopped being used here at least 35-40 years ago.
My father (English) is still quite insistent that Billion is ^12. He's a lone holdout for that number and will never use the word Billion instead of a Milliard if his life depended on it.
Yea, but do you realize how much you're paying your mobile provider?
Over in Europe... 20 euro per month... unlimited 3G, or up to some absurdly high limit, 4G... I just tether my laptop to my phone when I get home... free international roaming... I'm pretty sure that type of service doesn't exist in the US for this kind of price point yet.
Cell phone plans are much more expensive in the US (probably in part due to population density. More infrastructure needed per person than in Europe. Poor Canada has it even worse- lower density and even more expensive than the US.
No, if the AI is simply analyzing existing art and trying to recreate existing themes, then the art is derivative (isn't all art derivative?) and should be attributed to the people whose paintings were analyzed by the AI. In this case, the training is probably more important than the programming.
I think you said it yourself, "all art is derivative".
The human brain that inspires art is acting on the sum knowledge of it's experiences (the sum of it's lifetime experiences and all art it has witnessed throughout it's life).
If the AI only studies Rembrandt- then what it produces is clearly a derivative of Rembrandt. If the AI studies 1000 artists, at that point it's insignificantly more or less derivative as anything a human would produce. It is merely doing what humans do. The difference is, a lot of what a human produces in art is from non-art sources. Experiences and knowledge from other sources impact our art.
Do dominoes create art by themselves or does it require someone to start the chain reaction?
If a human starts the AI chain-reaction, then it's not AI creating the art, it's people creating art via just another tool.
Well... does that make your parent's the creator of any work you produce? They had to have sex to start the chain reaction of you creating art. As for your programming- we're all a collection of our genetic predispositions working hand-in-hand with the programming given to us by society.
We're all "programmed" and "created" in one fashion, just like the AI. The only difference is sapience. So, does an AI have to have sapience- or at least sentience before it is considered a creator rather than a tool?
'What is and is not art' is as unanswerable a question as 'what is and is not pornography', or 'what is and is not funny', or 'what is love'. It is entirely subjective.
Very artfully written... although I must admit I found the ending a bit pornographic.
Al exists, he works down at the pizza joint. Then there is Al Gore who was VP for a while. I know several blokes named Al now that I think about it. They will all be unhappy that you have dehumanized them.
If art is beauty and beauty is art, then of course an AI can do that too. It should be trivial for AI to create a photorealistic sculpture or painting, and that's what many people would consider "beautiful".
Art doesn't have to be beautiful- it has to stir emotion. Revulsion is a perfectly acceptable reaction to some art. Especially if there is a point to the revulsion, such as it makes you think.
From what I can tell , a majority of us "the plebe" think that modern art pile-of-brick or semen in bottle, or splurge of colors thrown at a wall is not art.
Look at some of the people that have been elected to public office around the world and tell me if the majority is always "right".:)
Art can be almost anything, anyone, wants to believe is art. If it moves you (or someone) culturally or emotionally, it is art. Now, whether it is "good" art, or "talented" art, or "worthwhile" art is another question. Would the world be better off without "semen in bottle"? Is anyone culturally enriched by that? Probably very few people. I think some art displays are always going to feel pointless to 99% of the population- but I'm not going to judge what other people might find enriching because we all find something different to be worthwhile. In the meantime I'm not paying money to see "messy bed", or "pile of bricks" but I'm not going to judge someone that does.
Your kids 3 year old scribble of colour means nothing to me, but probably means something to you. A stick figure beneath the word "Daddy" probably evokes an emotional response from you. It's art to you- but perhaps not to your neighbour.
Art is whatever a society says it is. The Tate Gallery in London have such pieces of art as a pile of bricks. Thus, if a sufficiently large percentage of a society says that something is art, it is art.
Indeed this. Art can be anything that society finds culturally or emotionally stimulating. There was one artist who used to produce art by inflicting physical pain on himself and letting others watch. He even had himself shot as "live art".
If an AI can produce something that evoke emotions or cultural awareness, then yes... it has produced art.
Perhaps you should educate yourself about what's going on in most of those countries- almost every country you list has had active warfare, social upheaval, active terrorism, ethnic cleansings, religious terrorism in recent years. That's not a list of "stable Aftican countries" as you originally claimed.
In reality, those "refugees" are only trying to flee themselves, and that's something which is impossible.
No, they're trying to flee corrupt governments, political persecution and an oppressive lifestyle. Were the Jewish people responsible for the holocaust in your world view? Were the ones escaping Germany only trying to escape themselves? If these refugees were the oppressors they wouldn't be leaving.
The sad reality is most of those people are unable to learn the necessary skills to be able to find work in a developed country.
Why not? Because they're from African and Asian countries? Non Europeans are unable to learn skills? Exactly what point are you making here? On the surface that's a bizarre and stunningly ignorant and racist comment to make. I only hope you miswrote that and don't truly believe that non Europeans are so inferior that they can't learn to function in the West.
Worse, a lot of them don't want to do the hard work that we do.
You obviously have never met any immigrants and take all your immigration news from Farage and co. All the immigrants I know are amongst the hardest working people I know.
I truly hope you don't really believe all the crap you just said; that you're just using it to self-justify not wanting change. Selfish desire I can understand. The racist crap about Africans not being smart enough to live in a developed country is 19th century nonsense and doesn't belong in the 21st century.
Slashdot has been hiring all the most intellectual children to help staff their editorial roles and make sure duplicates don't get posted to the front page... so you must be wrong.
The migrant crisis in Europe is not caused by armed conflicts. The vast majority of migrants come from stable African country where there is no conflict. The real refugees from the Syrian conflict stay in Turkey. That's why there are so few women and children coming in Western Europe. It's young men who see an opportunity for free money and who are willing to take on the journey for this free money.
That's exactly what will happen in California. Give free stuff, and you can be sure lots of people from outside of California will come to get it. Give free stuff and the only result will be more homeless people in California asking for more free stuff. And the more you will give, the more they will come.
You're very wrong on that. There are huge numbers of people coming in from Syria. I'd be curious which stable African country you are referring to? The one where school girls are kidnapped and married off to jihaddists? The one where rival governments both claim leadership and there are daily conflicts? Or the one where the government is effectively shut down and it's pure anarchy?
Yes, most people want a better life and want a more prosperous country to live in but it's got little to do with handouts and just prosperity in general and a freedom to live unhindered that they seek.
Look at what is happening in Europe and the migrant crisis.
I'm not aware of any major armed conflict taking place in the rest of the United States causing homeless people to migrate to California; however, if your comparison is accurate to Europe's migrant problem, and there is a war raging in the US currently causing people to be displaced and escape to California, I am angry neither party mentioned their plans to end this armed conflict during the last election. We should do all we can to stop the war in America.
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That I never listen to podcasts. Never.
Want to tell me a story? Write it down. Then I might read it.
And I have never watched a pre-roll video. Try to force an animated ad of some kind on me, and I close the window and do something else (sometimes reluctantly, if I really wanted to read the actual content).
I listen to podcasts in the car, and only in the car. It's generally frowned upon to read whilst sitting in the drivers seat of a moving vehicle.
The combination of original and advertising has long been the standard in radio, and is just accepted as the cost of keeping the lights on. What's so special about podcasts?
Plus, it is super easy to skip an ad. My podcast software has a "skip 30 seconds" button (configurable to any length, but 30secs seems to be standard ad length).
"I would like to tell you about a product..." skip " and now back to the show..."
people begin to not believe in hugely hyped vaporware currency. what a surprise... not.
Even at $6000- that's a huge mark up in value for someone who, say, got in 2 years ago. Few people would have done so well in the stock market. For those people who bought in at close to $20k- yeah... sucks to be them.
Next bubble will be Pokemon Futures.
Gotta Mine Them All!
To me, the acid test is: if critics praise something as great art, would they be just as impressed if they didn't know who made it?
There are many cases of celebrated works that, when revealed to be a hoax, caused the critics to suddenly reverse their opinions as to how "artistic" it is.
Similarly, there have been cases of well-known artists submitting their work using a made up name of someone unfamous. The result? Nobody pays any attention to it.
I remember a test someone did with art critics where they had experts judge whether or not a small sample of a piece of work was from a small child's artwork or a master modern art artist. It was things like paint splatter art and things that looked like random scribbles or blobs. The art critics actually did a pretty good job of telling the two apart (even though to most untrained people who took the test had a hard time to tell them apart).
Most of the art critics admitted though that they could tell the difference in the quality of the paint or pastels used and that's how they knew them apart- the kids works were all done with cheap paints and the artist's work was done with expensive paint. Becoming an art critic doesn't improve your ability to recognize quality work- it only improves your ability to recognize expensive products used to make a piece.
A splattering of paint colours may look the same if a child or professional trained artist does it; but they could tell the difference between expensive paint used vs cheap paint used.
The population density excuse is frankly bull. Australia has a lower population density than Canada or the US but pays lower rates than both.
Canada's cellphone rates rank among highest in 8-country study, report says
There will always be exceptions to almost every rule- but Australia probably isn't a good example; sure, it's what, about 18 million people spread out across an entire continent, but a large % of the country lives around the South Eastern coast and a few other population centres like Perth and Darwin. I've not used mobile data in Australia but I imagine there are vast parts of the interior without coverage- so the density is probably quite high overall where they do have coverage.
In a lot of the US outside the major population centers there are still quite a large number of small towns dotted about, so the area that needs to be covered is quite large.
With that said, I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule "higher density = lower cost" - but the relationship would trend along a scattergraph.
BT is a premium brand more equivalent to Verizon in the US. A quick google shows that the equivalent line on Verizon is $75. Plus, with American carriers you never actually pay the price that is quoted, there are always all sorts of taxes and fees added on AFTER the cost. So (not with Verizon myself), I imagine, what you actually pay is probably closer to $100- almost double the price.
the official language of the forum is American English*
Hmmmm... That is the language most used, but I don't know about official. I don't see officially stated anywhere that the forum is to use American English. I would quickly leave and not look back if they forced us to use American English.
Instead we could perhaps avoid all confusion and say $10.3 Crore
Yes. Someone here has translated 800 (million) GBP into 1,030 (million) USD. Same was when round metric numbers get translated into weird-looking precise imperial equivalents. To put it correctly, "£800 million (just over a billion dollars)".
FWIW, here in the UK, billion is now completely understood the American way, 10^9. I've never heard milliard used outside of a general knowledge quiz, and the old 10^12 meaning of billion stopped being used here at least 35-40 years ago.
My father (English) is still quite insistent that Billion is ^12. He's a lone holdout for that number and will never use the word Billion instead of a Milliard if his life depended on it.
When languages or dialects disagree it is best to ask Esperanto- the ruler of all languages. The universal mother tongue of humanity.
Miliardo is 1,000,000,000
Sorry people who think that's a billion. Esperanto has spoken, the word is Milliard.
Biliono is 1,000,000,000,000
Yea, but do you realize how much you're paying your mobile provider?
Over in Europe... 20 euro per month... unlimited 3G, or up to some absurdly high limit, 4G... I just tether my laptop to my phone when I get home... free international roaming... I'm pretty sure that type of service doesn't exist in the US for this kind of price point yet.
Cell phone plans are much more expensive in the US (probably in part due to population density. More infrastructure needed per person than in Europe. Poor Canada has it even worse- lower density and even more expensive than the US.
No, if the AI is simply analyzing existing art and trying to recreate existing themes, then the art is derivative (isn't all art derivative?) and should be attributed to the people whose paintings were analyzed by the AI. In this case, the training is probably more important than the programming.
I think you said it yourself, "all art is derivative".
The human brain that inspires art is acting on the sum knowledge of it's experiences (the sum of it's lifetime experiences and all art it has witnessed throughout it's life).
If the AI only studies Rembrandt- then what it produces is clearly a derivative of Rembrandt. If the AI studies 1000 artists, at that point it's insignificantly more or less derivative as anything a human would produce. It is merely doing what humans do. The difference is, a lot of what a human produces in art is from non-art sources. Experiences and knowledge from other sources impact our art.
Do dominoes create art by themselves or does it require someone to start the chain reaction?
If a human starts the AI chain-reaction, then it's not AI creating the art, it's people creating art via just another tool.
Well... does that make your parent's the creator of any work you produce? They had to have sex to start the chain reaction of you creating art. As for your programming- we're all a collection of our genetic predispositions working hand-in-hand with the programming given to us by society.
We're all "programmed" and "created" in one fashion, just like the AI. The only difference is sapience. So, does an AI have to have sapience- or at least sentience before it is considered a creator rather than a tool?
'What is and is not art' is as unanswerable a question as 'what is and is not pornography', or 'what is and is not funny', or 'what is love'. It is entirely subjective.
Very artfully written... although I must admit I found the ending a bit pornographic.
Al exists, he works down at the pizza joint. Then there is Al Gore who was VP for a while. I know several blokes named Al now that I think about it. They will all be unhappy that you have dehumanized them.
If art is beauty and beauty is art, then of course an AI can do that too. It should be trivial for AI to create a photorealistic sculpture or painting, and that's what many people would consider "beautiful".
Art doesn't have to be beautiful- it has to stir emotion. Revulsion is a perfectly acceptable reaction to some art. Especially if there is a point to the revulsion, such as it makes you think.
From what I can tell , a majority of us "the plebe" think that modern art pile-of-brick or semen in bottle, or splurge of colors thrown at a wall is not art.
Look at some of the people that have been elected to public office around the world and tell me if the majority is always "right". :)
Art can be almost anything, anyone, wants to believe is art. If it moves you (or someone) culturally or emotionally, it is art. Now, whether it is "good" art, or "talented" art, or "worthwhile" art is another question. Would the world be better off without "semen in bottle"? Is anyone culturally enriched by that? Probably very few people. I think some art displays are always going to feel pointless to 99% of the population- but I'm not going to judge what other people might find enriching because we all find something different to be worthwhile. In the meantime I'm not paying money to see "messy bed", or "pile of bricks" but I'm not going to judge someone that does.
Your kids 3 year old scribble of colour means nothing to me, but probably means something to you. A stick figure beneath the word "Daddy" probably evokes an emotional response from you. It's art to you- but perhaps not to your neighbour.
Chris Burden, that's his name (the guy who had himself shot as a performance piece)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Art is whatever a society says it is. The Tate Gallery in London have such pieces of art as a pile of bricks. Thus, if a sufficiently large percentage of a society says that something is art, it is art.
Indeed this. Art can be anything that society finds culturally or emotionally stimulating. There was one artist who used to produce art by inflicting physical pain on himself and letting others watch. He even had himself shot as "live art".
If an AI can produce something that evoke emotions or cultural awareness, then yes... it has produced art.
MAGA!
US only overtook China because they stole China's IP.
Perhaps you should educate yourself about what's going on in most of those countries- almost every country you list has had active warfare, social upheaval, active terrorism, ethnic cleansings, religious terrorism in recent years. That's not a list of "stable Aftican countries" as you originally claimed.
In reality, those "refugees" are only trying to flee themselves, and that's something which is impossible.
No, they're trying to flee corrupt governments, political persecution and an oppressive lifestyle. Were the Jewish people responsible for the holocaust in your world view? Were the ones escaping Germany only trying to escape themselves? If these refugees were the oppressors they wouldn't be leaving.
The sad reality is most of those people are unable to learn the necessary skills to be able to find work in a developed country.
Why not? Because they're from African and Asian countries? Non Europeans are unable to learn skills? Exactly what point are you making here? On the surface that's a bizarre and stunningly ignorant and racist comment to make. I only hope you miswrote that and don't truly believe that non Europeans are so inferior that they can't learn to function in the West.
Worse, a lot of them don't want to do the hard work that we do.
You obviously have never met any immigrants and take all your immigration news from Farage and co. All the immigrants I know are amongst the hardest working people I know.
I truly hope you don't really believe all the crap you just said; that you're just using it to self-justify not wanting change. Selfish desire I can understand. The racist crap about Africans not being smart enough to live in a developed country is 19th century nonsense and doesn't belong in the 21st century.
Hmm can see this on the front page already :)
Slashdot has been hiring all the most intellectual children to help staff their editorial roles and make sure duplicates don't get posted to the front page... so you must be wrong.
The migrant crisis in Europe is not caused by armed conflicts. The vast majority of migrants come from stable African country where there is no conflict. The real refugees from the Syrian conflict stay in Turkey. That's why there are so few women and children coming in Western Europe. It's young men who see an opportunity for free money and who are willing to take on the journey for this free money.
That's exactly what will happen in California. Give free stuff, and you can be sure lots of people from outside of California will come to get it. Give free stuff and the only result will be more homeless people in California asking for more free stuff. And the more you will give, the more they will come.
You're very wrong on that. There are huge numbers of people coming in from Syria. I'd be curious which stable African country you are referring to? The one where school girls are kidnapped and married off to jihaddists? The one where rival governments both claim leadership and there are daily conflicts? Or the one where the government is effectively shut down and it's pure anarchy?
Yes, most people want a better life and want a more prosperous country to live in but it's got little to do with handouts and just prosperity in general and a freedom to live unhindered that they seek.
Look at what is happening in Europe and the migrant crisis.
I'm not aware of any major armed conflict taking place in the rest of the United States causing homeless people to migrate to California; however, if your comparison is accurate to Europe's migrant problem, and there is a war raging in the US currently causing people to be displaced and escape to California, I am angry neither party mentioned their plans to end this armed conflict during the last election. We should do all we can to stop the war in America.