Go to preferences -> fonts and turn on use my default fonts, override dynamic fonts. You are right, that hurt like a sonovabitch viewing with my intel linux box. And I've even gone through and done the X fonts deuglification and I recommend anyone who hasn't already to do so to by viewing http://www.linuxdoc.org and finding the appropriate HOWTO, or MINI-HOWTO I forget which.
And what does Netscape being bloated under linux have to do with standards compliance? I pointed out that Netscape 6 will comply to more standards. Don't like it. Don't use it. Market forces in action. To freaking bad about how it sucks under linux. Personally I run IE all the time at work, because I can't live without full screen viewing. Remember I pointed out that Netscape 6 would be more standards compliant than IE. And who is talking about self-righteous arrogance and hypocrisy? I also run Netscape 4.72 on linux at home and it seems downright peppy for me, faster than 4.71.
You're obviously just clueless. The comparison to animal farm is strikingly misguided. Am I to understand that even when I've been given evidence to prove a point (i.e. standard compliance tests) that I'm to ignore the evidence because of some guilt about prefering one thing (linux) over another (windows)?
IE is feature rich, Netscape 6 will be standards compliant. It will be up to the consumer to make the best choice. I'll probably take standards compliant because (A) There is no IE on Linux (B) Features can be added later (C) There will be no choice if netscape goes away.
Yeah, you're a true individual! You're brightness shines in our darkness. Let your dim light shine pal.
Oh I must have forgot that they include rendering examples for the standards that they are talking about. You could probably find the standard compliance information at mozilla.org as well. Of course we probably should just believe that benevolent BIGBROTHERCO will continue to abide by standards when there is no competition. I guess I'm just a silly linux bigot!
Chill out! The standards compliance has been there since day one. It was the foundation mozilla was built on. This communism stuff is laying it on a bit thick. Go back to freaking windrivers.com if you can't handle that in some respects Windows isn't the only game in town. Some people, jeez.
You're way off. The whole point of mozilla was standards compliance. In fact there is a chart comparing the compliance of the various browsers at the netscape download site. Why don't you look at it?
I live in the backwoods. Hell the US government on occassion places the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in Canada. On the cloudy shores of Lake Superior, Lake Michigan, and Lake Huron with a total population of 300,000 one of the lowest population densities in the fifty states, where the largest city is 30,000 souls I have two way cable modem access. Not bad for nowhere. Thats pretty wired.
I just picked up a book by Cliff Stoll (Known for the cracker non-fiction whodonnit Cuckoos Egg) in which he argues that Computers DO NOT belong in schools in that they are sold as the quick and easy way to a great education, where they only serve as a distraction from the ultimate purpose of educating. A good read, and I'd recommed it to all techies as a viewpoint not often considered. I wish I had it on Monday and would have thought to pose this question to Woz, as it would be interesting to know if he'd heard the arguments involved, considered them, and how he would insure that technology does aid in education and not become a distraction...
One noted example from the book is a school district where the students loved emailing people from foreign countries, while 11 students who were going to the school district from different countries were completely ignored.
Allow anyone who wants to enter in a licensing agreement. I think that would be all that was required. As a general rule source code should be available, and I think this might be a good time to set the precendence. Not good having the government doing what the marketplace should have done. Stupid pointy hair IT managers are obviously responsible for the rise of the might M$. I'd really like to just ignore them and make them go away, personally.
Just laugh at the vendor selling NT solutions, they'll get the picture eventually. Hopefully.
I'm a linux advocate, but I hate articles that proclaim linux is so damn stable. Yeah, it's stable until you start working on something as non-standard as using linux as a desktop instead of as a server. Once you do that things start falling apart and the learning curve is dwarfed by rate of change(good or bad). Libraries are constantly changing, libraries are conflicting, libraries are missing. I've had to reboot linux several times, most notably X server crashes, although I have a persistent mingetty problem that frequently causes me to power done without properly shutting down. Applications don't work, one caller mentioned the famous netscape instability. What good is stability if you don't have a damn thing to run on it. I've taken a redhat 5.1 install and basically had to recompile most of the included stuff to get a decent desktop system, and I still can't run most of the red hat admin tools, because of library problems. Linux is just alright, and the only thing that really seperates it from the pack is its open nature, and I think that needs to be emphasized, and explained better to why that matters to your apeman computer user. .02
I have just such a call to make on Tuesday to a salesperson for the vendor who makes our Scheduling and clinic management software. Currently we use SCO Opensever 5.0.5. I dropped sales a line, and I was told to call back to discuss the possibility of moving from SCO to Linux. It should be interesting...
I think it would be great to do a blair witch project cam deal. Have the wierdest staged stuff happening and weirdo's across the world not knowing what to make of it. What would be the int'l version of 911.
"Excuse me but I think there are three art school students shooting heroine in a crack house in hong kong. I know because I'm watching the webcam."
There wasn't a whole lot in that article except for really trite metaphors.
Does linux have to be the perpetual virgin at the prom every year? I mean this whole virginal innocence of not being beholden to professional interests is foolish. Linux is still GPL. Don't like the license or the software, don't use it. I excercise the same choice every day when I boot into linux instead of windows. Sure windows can do some cool stuff, but it just isn't the same.
I think this article is nothing more than holding linux to a higher standard than any other technical project. Not a whole lot to get worked up about.
Everyone wants to have a roll eventually... Think of the GPL as a condom, or dental dam, or well you get the picture. \\
This sounds like a clean room implementation that happens to fall under the broad generalization of a patented process. Why pay for work you've been willing to do yourself, simply because it supposedly slices and dices sort of like that thingamajig whamo 2000 patented fifteen years ago. You know the patent, the one for slicing and dicing! IANAL.
I just joined columbia house a while back and they aren't doing the automatic shipments of the cd of the month anymore. It's much more web savvy from the looks of it. Still get monthly crap, but I'm excited cos' now I might be able to find the weird stuff I really like.
>>It should be noted that PC World Online has no >>independent confirmation that new Back Orifice >>2000 program actually lives up to the claims of >>Cult of the Dead Cow.
It should be legally mandated that any article speaking of upcoming Microsoft products carry a disclaimer similar to this.
I'm a little confused as to why ESR would have any need to post a response. The response to Metcalf had nothing to do with him, only a kind word from Stallman. It's like the interview at linuxworld which was billed as an interview with Bruce Perens, which later on included a response (more like a staged email confrontation) from ESR. I'd be happy if more people would just ignore his ramblings, until he can play nice and accept the fact that this isn't a two year old world and we can work toward different ends without being confrontational all the time.
Never mind. Got rid of the BEos Central Section on the sidebar and my problems have disappeared. Looks like bad html is coming across and causing the Box to be much wider than usual cramping the space of the normal headlines. I think I'll just talk to myself now:) Thank you....
Can't figure out why Netscape didn't adopt the full screen feature that IE had. Hooks into the OS maybe. Anyways, I'd use it. It would be another bloated piece of crap on my hardrive waiting for either Opera, or Gecko to appear in functional varieties at which time it would disappear. Hope opera will support full secreen.
I love the cable modem speeds, however, I likewise am not enamoured of the crap that goes with it. We have to carry basic cable or we are charged more for the service. Not too much of a hardship, but sometimes I'd rather not have cable nor a television.
Imagine my surprise the past good friday weekend, when coincidentally my cable modem service disappeared at the same time the Nickolodean preview channel diseappeared. No service for 3days. I was going through withdrawal, and must say I'm very glad I wasn't the on-call person that weekend.
RH probably won't do an IPO, simply because that opens them up to acquisition bids and closure, if say a company doesn't like linux and decides to purchase a controlling share, grab the assets and say get rid of a newly created department and its employees, say the linux development department and os design. Just a thought. They could be granted a stake in the private company, though. That would be nice.
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Go to preferences -> fonts and turn on use my default fonts, override dynamic fonts. You are right, that hurt like a sonovabitch viewing with my intel linux box. And I've even gone through and done the X fonts deuglification and I recommend anyone who hasn't already to do so to by viewing http://www.linuxdoc.org and finding the appropriate HOWTO, or MINI-HOWTO I forget which.
And what does Netscape being bloated under linux have to do with standards compliance? I pointed out that Netscape 6 will comply to more standards. Don't like it. Don't use it. Market forces in action. To freaking bad about how it sucks under linux. Personally I run IE all the time at work, because I can't live without full screen viewing. Remember I pointed out that Netscape 6 would be more standards compliant than IE. And who is talking about self-righteous arrogance and hypocrisy? I also run Netscape 4.72 on linux at home and it seems downright peppy for me, faster than 4.71.
You're obviously just clueless. The comparison to animal farm is strikingly misguided. Am I to understand that even when I've been given evidence to prove a point (i.e. standard compliance tests) that I'm to ignore the evidence because of some guilt about prefering one thing (linux) over another (windows)?
IE is feature rich, Netscape 6 will be standards compliant. It will be up to the consumer to make the best choice. I'll probably take standards compliant because (A) There is no IE on Linux (B) Features can be added later (C) There will be no choice if netscape goes away.
Yeah, you're a true individual! You're brightness shines in our darkness. Let your dim light shine pal.
Oh I must have forgot that they include rendering examples for the standards that they are talking about. You could probably find the standard compliance information at mozilla.org as well. Of course we probably should just believe that benevolent BIGBROTHERCO will continue to abide by standards when there is no competition. I guess I'm just a silly linux bigot!
Chill out! The standards compliance has been there since day one. It was the foundation mozilla was built on. This communism stuff is laying it on a bit thick. Go back to freaking windrivers.com if you can't handle that in some respects Windows isn't the only game in town. Some people, jeez.
You're way off. The whole point of mozilla was standards compliance. In fact there is a chart comparing the compliance of the various browsers at the netscape download site. Why don't you look at it?
I live in the backwoods. Hell the US government on occassion places the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in Canada. On the cloudy shores of Lake Superior, Lake Michigan, and Lake Huron with a total population of 300,000 one of the lowest population densities in the fifty states, where the largest city is 30,000 souls I have two way cable modem access. Not bad for nowhere. Thats pretty wired.
Actually it's specifically titled
Why Computers Do Not Belong in the Classroom.
It's brand new so a lot of people may not be aware of it yet.
Thanks,
Brian seppanen
seppanen@bresnanlink.net
I just picked up a book by Cliff Stoll (Known for the cracker non-fiction whodonnit Cuckoos Egg) in which he argues that Computers DO NOT belong in schools in that they are sold as the quick and easy way to a great education, where they only serve as a distraction from the ultimate purpose of educating. A good read, and I'd recommed it to all techies as a viewpoint not often considered. I wish I had it on Monday and would have thought to pose this question to Woz, as it would be interesting to know if he'd heard the arguments involved, considered them, and how he would insure that technology does aid in education and not become a distraction...
One noted example from the book is a school district where the students loved emailing people from foreign countries, while 11 students who were going to the school district from different countries were completely ignored.
I'd recommend this book highly.
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Brian Seppanen
seppanen@bresnanlink.n.et
Allow anyone who wants to enter in a licensing agreement. I think that would be all that was required. As a general rule source code should be available, and I think this might be a good time to set the precendence. Not good having the government doing what the marketplace should have done. Stupid pointy hair IT managers are obviously responsible for the rise of the might M$. I'd really like to just ignore them and make them go away, personally.
Just laugh at the vendor selling NT solutions, they'll get the picture eventually. Hopefully.
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I'm a linux advocate, but I hate articles that proclaim linux is so damn stable. Yeah, it's stable until you start working on something as non-standard as using linux as a desktop instead of as a server. Once you do that things start falling apart and the learning curve is dwarfed by rate of change(good or bad). Libraries are constantly changing, libraries are conflicting, libraries are missing. I've had to reboot linux several times, most notably X server crashes, although I have a persistent mingetty problem that frequently causes me to power done without properly shutting down. Applications don't work, one caller mentioned the famous netscape instability. What good is stability if you don't have a damn thing to run on it. I've taken a redhat 5.1 install and basically had to recompile most of the included stuff to get a decent desktop system, and I still can't run most of the red hat admin tools, because of library problems. Linux is just alright, and the only thing that really seperates it from the pack is its open nature, and I think that needs to be emphasized, and explained better to why that matters to your apeman computer user.
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Hey, why not use the new debian logo. It looks cool in my opinion.
First offtopic post?
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I have just such a call to make on Tuesday to a salesperson for the vendor who makes our Scheduling and clinic management software. Currently we use SCO Opensever 5.0.5. I dropped sales a line, and I was told to call back to discuss the possibility of moving from SCO to Linux. It should be interesting...
I think it would be great to do a blair witch project cam deal. Have the wierdest staged stuff happening and weirdo's across the world not knowing what to make of it. What would be the int'l version of 911.
"Excuse me but I think there are three art school students shooting heroine in a crack house in hong kong. I know because I'm watching the webcam."
Now that's comedy... Oh, well...
I'm stupid, and I don't know, so I thought I'd ask. What is the difference between a Flash player, and a Shockwave player?
Beuler, Beuler, Anybody, Beuler...
Thanks
There wasn't a whole lot in that article except for really trite metaphors.
Does linux have to be the perpetual virgin at the prom every year? I mean this whole virginal innocence of not being beholden to professional interests is foolish. Linux is still GPL. Don't like the license or the software, don't use it. I excercise the same choice every day when I boot into linux instead of windows. Sure windows can do some cool stuff, but it just isn't the same.
I think this article is nothing more than holding linux to a higher standard than any other technical project. Not a whole lot to get worked up about.
Everyone wants to have a roll eventually... Think of the GPL as a condom, or dental dam, or well you get the picture.
\\
Blah
This sounds like a clean room implementation that happens to fall under the broad generalization of a patented process. Why pay for work you've been willing to do yourself, simply because it supposedly slices and dices sort of like that thingamajig whamo 2000 patented fifteen years ago. You know the patent, the one for slicing and dicing! IANAL.
Is a good idea limited to one person?
I just joined columbia house a while back and they aren't doing the automatic shipments of the cd of the month anymore. It's much more web savvy from the looks of it. Still get monthly crap, but I'm excited cos' now I might be able to find the weird stuff I really like.
Wouldnt' that be cool.
>>It should be noted that PC World Online has no >>independent confirmation that new Back Orifice >>2000 program actually lives up to the claims of >>Cult of the Dead Cow.
It should be legally mandated that any article speaking of upcoming Microsoft products carry a disclaimer similar to this.
.02
It's cool that this was decided by consensus to meet the need of a diverse group and not due to political pressures. Kinda like this linux thing.
I'm a little confused as to why ESR would have any need to post a response. The response to Metcalf had nothing to do with him, only a kind word from Stallman. It's like the interview at linuxworld which was billed as an interview with Bruce Perens, which later on included a response (more like a staged email confrontation) from ESR. I'd be happy if more people would just ignore his ramblings, until he can play nice and accept the fact that this isn't a two year old world and we can work toward different ends without being confrontational all the time.
Never mind. Got rid of the BEos Central Section on the sidebar and my problems have disappeared. Looks like bad html is coming across and causing the Box to be much wider than usual cramping the space of the normal headlines. I think I'll just talk to myself now :) Thank you....
Can't figure out why Netscape didn't adopt the full screen feature that IE had. Hooks into the OS maybe. Anyways, I'd use it. It would be another bloated piece of crap on my hardrive waiting for either Opera, or Gecko to appear in functional varieties at which time it would disappear. Hope opera will support full secreen.
Macromedia does have a beta release of a flash plugin for linux. I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but I've viewed animations with it.
I love the cable modem speeds, however, I likewise am not enamoured of the crap that goes with it. We have to carry basic cable or we are charged more for the service. Not too much of a hardship, but sometimes I'd rather not have cable nor a television.
Imagine my surprise the past good friday weekend, when coincidentally my cable modem service disappeared at the same time the Nickolodean preview channel diseappeared. No service for 3days. I was going through withdrawal, and must say I'm very glad I wasn't the on-call person that weekend.
RH probably won't do an IPO, simply because that opens them up to acquisition bids and closure, if say a company doesn't like linux and decides to purchase a controlling share, grab the assets and say get rid of a newly created department and its employees, say the linux development department and os design. Just a thought. They could be granted a stake in the private company, though. That would be nice.