This probably has been commented a lot, and there are more issues than just pure technical ones for this not having happenned before. But, is there any thought on your part, of possibly more code sharing between the bsd's.
Maybe even creating an "architecture council" in which the core of each project would have a say on features that should/can/may be implemented on both kernel and userland?
This would not have to be a "you must do this" kinda thing, but rather and amicable forum to discuss new ideas and share implementations?
So what's your thought on this? do-able, possibility, of have i been smoking too much crack?
First off, let me state that am a long time unix user and admin, and I consider FreeBSD and Solaris
my favoritre OS'es. And i have dabbled with linux since early '95 ( i think feb or so )
But come on guys, the windows 9x series is NOT, i repeat is NOT, aimed at stability, it's aimed at the consumer. Where easiness of use, and support is what matters.
Are these guys too idiotic to realize this, or are they just flame throwers and FUD spreaders?
And NT, as much as i dislike it, has some features, that although not turned on by default, are of great use, and not available on most os'es?
ACL's, file attributes, etc etc.... stuff that most unixes are still trying to implement or get right.
Goin back to win 9x? does XFree even come close, and don't even bring the "remote display capabilities argument" , because it DOES NOT MATTER on a consumer OS, in terms of speed and display quality.
Linxu for extreme stability? HAH, sure linux is stable, compared to win 9x, and ok, i might give you NT on SOME configs, but there are so many cluless linux "ADMINS", and that alone makes it less stable than any other os. now that's the truth, not pretty, but true.
Microsoft might no be the best company, but donot question what they have done, they have managed to support the greates array of hardware than any other os. prolly as much as all the other combined, and still managed a reasonably stable os with all the legacy.
as a fact, most of the instability is due to third party drivers.
COme on guys, linux is getting better, and i applaud that, but it is IN NO WAY, th ebest OS" out there, it has a LONG WAY to get there, and there are situations where it is well suited it, but come on, don't push it...
i'll stop this cause i don't have the time to go into more detail....
i'll give you that, i haven't looked at it, but my post was not about smp ( the previous guy brought it up ). My post is about dev models, and why it's better not to have only two people controlling such a big project... that's all
smp in linux leaves much to be desired.. ever heard the saying "Don't do something unless you plan to do it right"?
OpenBSD maynot have smp, that's not in their agenda at the moment, but have you looked at the FreeBSD smp work, and the current rewrite coming up on 5? some serious work, not the half ass locking on linux
If you are looking for static page serving, then apache is not the speediest, it's fast, but not as fast as the competition. This is even the cliam of the apache group
For Dynamic serving, the story is a bit different, with apache puling up on par or ahead with the competiiton ( IIS, Netscape E, Zeus ).
if you want the absolute performance king, then the no question winner is zeus, it has been for a while the fastets serving static content, and a great contender on dynamic. The price is not a consideration, since it's not only well worth it, but when you are buying high end servers, a very little add on
Couple zeus with FreeBSD or solaris, and you got yourself a mean combination
It's funny how people, so called "liberals" and "conservatives" are so into their points that they forget that the answer to problems is never one which falls squarely on one side.
People forget that procedures like these have greater implications than they appear to have. You might say that , well, this is not bringing a child into this world "for parts", it's just to save another life.
Well NEWSFLASH, once this is done, what will stop people that do think that way from doing it? you? People must never forget that sometimes the seemenly good uses of technology, have more drawbacks than actual benefits.
Isn't research better spent creating the technology to reproduce human cells from someone alive than to use human reproduction as some sort of parts factory? is it just me, or is this a screwed up mentallity? come on...
It's issues like these, and the total ineptitude of the general public that does NOT make me wonder why the world is such a screwed up place.
And no, am not making a "religious" argument, if you actually knew me, am all against organized religion, but i do repect someone's right to practice it. Its just having commong sense
Technology does not make morality and ethics obsolete, and ethics and morality have nothing to do with religion. People really need to check the definition of morality again, i know it has gotten a bad name from the so called religious dumdass^H^H^H^"rightious".
this is the same mentallity, why we have to total dimwits/idiots running for president.
oh well, this is just my rant, of course am right
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How about we wait until we see the way MacOS X handles... then we'll judge. MacOS X has something that will probably make it a better smp OS, and that is it's Mach Foundry. By Using Mach, or any microkernel for that matter, smp implementions become much easier, and much more efficient.
actually, you work for keylink systems, part or pios ( pioneer) right? i've dealt with them ( not while at about ) which server's does yahoo use? do they use any of the intel isp platforms? just curious...
hrmmm, would you name your employer???... the reason I ask, is because I work for the url that is on my profile... and we would be interested ( we now use telenet systems )
Slashdot Mirror
Could that have been the first SPAM?
And when was the first UCE sent?
One can only wonder.
So, bruce, can I take from this that superior systems should always be chosen?
Because if so, then why in hell are so many people using linux, when superior, Free'er OS's exists in the BSD's
Not a flame, just a pocket of truth, to those that can't handle it
This probably has been commented a lot, and there are more issues than just pure technical ones for this not having happenned before. But, is there any thought on your part, of possibly more code sharing between the bsd's.
Maybe even creating an "architecture council" in which the core of each project would have a say on features that should/can/may be implemented on both kernel and userland?
This would not have to be a "you must do this" kinda thing, but rather and amicable forum to discuss new ideas and share implementations?
So what's your thought on this? do-able, possibility, of have i been smoking too much crack?
I now now that linux zealouts are idiots.
Before you flame, read on, PLEASE.
First off, let me state that am a long time unix user and admin, and I consider FreeBSD and Solaris my favoritre OS'es. And i have dabbled with linux since early '95 ( i think feb or so )
But come on guys, the windows 9x series is NOT, i repeat is NOT, aimed at stability, it's aimed at the consumer. Where easiness of use, and support is what matters.
Are these guys too idiotic to realize this, or are they just flame throwers and FUD spreaders?
And NT, as much as i dislike it, has some features, that although not turned on by default, are of great use, and not available on most os'es? ACL's, file attributes, etc etc.... stuff that most unixes are still trying to implement or get right.
Goin back to win 9x? does XFree even come close, and don't even bring the "remote display capabilities argument" , because it DOES NOT MATTER on a consumer OS, in terms of speed and display quality.
Linxu for extreme stability? HAH, sure linux is stable, compared to win 9x, and ok, i might give you NT on SOME configs, but there are so many cluless linux "ADMINS", and that alone makes it less stable than any other os. now that's the truth, not pretty, but true.
Microsoft might no be the best company, but donot question what they have done, they have managed to support the greates array of hardware than any other os. prolly as much as all the other combined, and still managed a reasonably stable os with all the legacy.
as a fact, most of the instability is due to third party drivers.
COme on guys, linux is getting better, and i applaud that, but it is IN NO WAY, th ebest OS" out there, it has a LONG WAY to get there, and there are situations where it is well suited it, but come on, don't push it...
i'll stop this cause i don't have the time to go into more detail....
I told her not to give him the "two fity"
any die hard southpark fan will know what am talking about.
i resolved www.kam.com
not kam.com
kam.com has no record
The article says kam.com has expired, fair enough. And is pionting to a redirect, ok.
But, why is kam.com still resolving to an ip that is owned by a "KAM-CIRCUITS"
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.kam.com
Address: 194.200.169.2
inetnum: 194.200.169.0 - 194.200.169.255
netname: KAM-CIRCUITS
descr: Kam Circuits Ltd
country: GB
admin-c: UPHM1-RIPE
tech-c: UPHM1-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: AS1849-MNT
changed: ianm@pipex.net 19951031
changed: stephenb@uk.uu.net 19990915
source: RIPE
RTlinux anyone?
Call me when they do a "a string and two cans"
:)
type phone
ONLY then will i be impressed
you'll be amazed... and anyway..
What is there to loose?
i'll byte...
http://216.240.41.2/FreeBSDSmp/
http://people.freebsd.org/%7ejasone/smp/
i'll give you that, i haven't looked at it, but my post was not about smp ( the previous guy brought it up ). My post is about dev models, and why it's better not to have only two people controlling such a big project... that's all
smp in linux leaves much to be desired.. ever heard the saying "Don't do something unless you plan to do it right"?
OpenBSD maynot have smp, that's not in their agenda at the moment, but have you looked at the FreeBSD smp work, and the current rewrite coming up on 5? some serious work, not the half ass locking on linux
damn i really need a spell checker hehe
linus... yeah, pick on the mispellings, instead of the actial point.
If you are looking for static page serving, then apache is not the speediest, it's fast, but not as fast as the competition. This is even the cliam of the apache group
For Dynamic serving, the story is a bit different, with apache puling up on par or ahead with the competiiton ( IIS, Netscape E, Zeus ).
if you want the absolute performance king, then the no question winner is zeus, it has been for a while the fastets serving static content, and a great contender on dynamic. The price is not a consideration, since it's not only well worth it, but when you are buying high end servers, a very little add on
Couple zeus with FreeBSD or solaris, and you got yourself a mean combination
It's funny how people, so called "liberals" and "conservatives" are so into their points that they forget that the answer to problems is never one which falls squarely on one side.
People forget that procedures like these have greater implications than they appear to have. You might say that , well, this is not bringing a child into this world "for parts", it's just to save another life.
Well NEWSFLASH, once this is done, what will stop people that do think that way from doing it? you? People must never forget that sometimes the seemenly good uses of technology, have more drawbacks than actual benefits.
Isn't research better spent creating the technology to reproduce human cells from someone alive than to use human reproduction as some sort of parts factory? is it just me, or is this a screwed up mentallity? come on...
It's issues like these, and the total ineptitude of the general public that does NOT make me wonder why the world is such a screwed up place.
And no, am not making a "religious" argument, if you actually knew me, am all against organized religion, but i do repect someone's right to practice it. Its just having commong sense
Technology does not make morality and ethics obsolete, and ethics and morality have nothing to do with religion. People really need to check the definition of morality again, i know it has gotten a bad name from the so called religious dumdass^H^H^H^"rightious".
this is the same mentallity, why we have to total dimwits/idiots running for president.
oh well, this is just my rant, of course am right
.moral
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The first one is not always the best...
How about we wait until we see the way MacOS X handles... then we'll judge. MacOS X has something that will probably make it a better smp OS, and that is it's Mach Foundry. By Using Mach, or any microkernel for that matter, smp implementions become much easier, and much more efficient.
Although this is definetely a cool hack/experiment/learning experience....
...
yes, even 2.4 boys and girls...
It has no use....
The Linux tcp/ip stack is not up to the job of high end routing ( even for these low end routers )
If you want an os that can handle high loads of routing, why not use what the best performing router uses... ( juniper networks M series )...
WHat is that you ask? well, FreeBSD of course....
Yeah, i know, this will get marked as flamebait, but, does it look like i care?
That's what i said,
2 17&cid=38
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/08/23/2045
but of course, the zealouts that can't take the truth always attack... heh
actually, you work for keylink systems, part or pios ( pioneer) right? i've dealt with them ( not while at about ) which server's does yahoo use? do they use any of the intel isp platforms? just curious...
hrmmm, would you name your employer??? ... the reason I ask, is because I work for the url that is on my profile... and we would be interested ( we now use telenet systems )
I didn't read the "PARALLEL" part.... don't i feel like an ass...
Flame suit ON
Although i really like this announcement, as it helps all the bsd's, I wonder the reason for not taking the stack from FreeBSD or (Net|Open)BSD?
MY guess is that they would be requiring the technical expertise of the BSDi bunch to port it, hence the licensing....
More insight into the corporate mentality i guess..