I come from 3 years experience in a medium size hosting/colo company, and we wrote our own...
Basically, the reasoning is that nothing quite fits everyones enviroment, so you do use other tools, but you modify and/or integrate them into your own.
So.. in any case, if you would like one coded... hehe j/k (unless... ):P
Well, it's a question of what do you want to accomplish....
Force your ideals on everyone or Make the industry, and unix as a whole, a better design?
Like it or not, i don't see the GPL world that RMS envisions as ever happening....
It's one detail that although many GNU advocates think they endorse, they really don't.
Before you start flaming away, think about it? Why did the TCP/IP stack become wildly popular? why did BSD sockets became the most used? Why did X catch on?
To all those questions... there's a simple answer...
They have a free license, which allowed programmers to take the good concepts and apply them to newer designs... NO , it's not stealing code, since most of the time you can NOT take someones code and apply it without great modification to another system, it's true code sharing, and something that betters the industry as a whole....
This is why people object to the GPL, in a perfect world, sure it would work, but in an imperfect world like ours.... you should not, and people don't like to, be forced into releasing your work, just because you used someone else's concept
Hence, why the X license and the BSD license help the advancement of unix, and why licenses like the GPL actually promote the splintering of unix...
Of course, this is my opinion.... ( am alwasy right) hehe..
Why? well, am bored, and i stopped working for a while.
* The *BSD's have just become the latest thing you show you are knowleadgeable, just like linux was a few years back...
WHile this could be true, i personally don't think so. Most New FreeBSD users can be categorized into two main sectors. One, ex linux users, that want to try it out, and see what is all about. Mostly because of problems they've had with linux, other times because they just want to try something new.Two, current Solaris,commecial unix users, that are looking for a reliable platform, on relative inexpensive hardware.
If you're somehow wondering my background, my first unix experience was on solaris, back in 1993. FreeBSD in early '96. Linux, debian, in mid '97. My preference... isn't it odvious?
* 2.4 will close any gaps in heavy I/O FreeBSD may have an advantage in
EHHHHH, nope. At least not in my testing or anyone's testing... 2.4 is slower on many things than 2.2 is.
* SMP is better on Linux
One comment... the difference between doing it right, and doing it slopy is a great one my friend.
* Linux dev is Free'er than the BSD's
In linux kernel dev, you are subjected to the views of two main controlling forces... Linus and Alan... FreeBSD... about 15 core team members, with greatly equal vote.. plus the rest of the commiters.. plsu everything is available right away on CVS, unlike the linux kernel... AGAIN BRANCHES MY FRIEND...
FreBSD just follows a more mature approached to developement... I advise you to read up on it.. Linux is still the hobbyist OS that it started as.. and hopefully that will change.
Don't believe about the code quality? well, the BSD C lib is half the size of the GNU lib C, with the same functionality..
Well, i don't wish to change anyones preference.. You use the best or the job... and on many tasks... But that doesn't change the gfact, that FreeBSD is still a better engineered system.... again... face the facts.. i mean... damn kernel httpd? ok, give me a break, maybe on a micro kernel arch, but on a monolithic? maybe am wrong... heh
It shows what linux groupies always try to deny...
The *BSD's perform better under heavy I/O.
Unlike the general linux mentality of, get it out the door if it barely works, the BSD mentality has alwasy been... it only goes out, if it's ready, and mature enough to go out... Hence the different release branches...
FreeBSD... The choice of those, who know how to choose...
Flame filters... ON... you can flame all you want, but you cannot change the facts.
What i would like to see, is some serious testing of all current unix'es, doing real world tasks... Focusing on not only their performance, but their stability, AND load bearing... ( who cares if something is fast, if as soon as a great load comes, it crawls )
The lead devloper of the darwin , the basis of MacOS X, is a FreeBSD developer, enough said....
The kernel started being a mach/Next System, then , some stuff was taken from netbsd, and now, then they started a full source sync with FreeBSD, now mostly finished ( to their purpose of course )... well, the recognize quality when they see it;)
idiot. since it is the only way i can refer to someone like you... I am referring to the nasty ability the Ucita gives software publishers..... this IS a law maker's issue, as ucita is legislative act.... And the only way to get rid of ucita is via challenges to it, which... guess what... involve other legislative acts... and of course... lawmakers...
I wonder if there were any technical reasons for the switch of platfrom... ie Solaris to AIX... or if it a corpoarte agreement... specially since netSOl was bought by versign.
Many of you look at the BSD license, and say, well, companies can use the code and adapt it to their propietary products. Well, DUH! that's the whole point. For most of it's life, the BSD camp has been focused on improving computer design overall, not only their system.
In most applications, you cannot just cut and paste code, you need to adapt it to fit your frame work, which makes it quite different. All that is left is the ideal on the design, which like standards, should be shared. The importance and the competitive edge is gained by the better implementation, well sometimes at least.
The BSD camp practically fueled the used of the tcp/ip protocol, greatly due to their fact that's their tcp/ip stack was freely available for others to build on, and oddly enouhg, it is still arguably the fastest performer.
Need i mention bind or apache? both improved by corporations despite their BSD license. The BSD license allows a greater corporate appeal to OSS. Great designs need to be shared;)
And for those who some how believe that th elinux ip stack is catching up... heh, try packet capture/shaping on a linux tcp/ip stock.... not fun... the reasons why anyoen doing serious network software would not choose the linux tcp/ip stack... ask junipernetworks why their choose freebsd;)
Well, those where my $0.25... before you blabbler away.. read a bit on the BSD mentality at freebsd.org
First... what is the reasoning behind that quite odd bit at the last part of the GNU su man page.....
Secondly... what is the big quarrel with the BSD movement.... I mean, i know you don't agree.. but free software is free software... and their contribution is just as great as the FSF's...
I see the point that you need to focus on SAT's initially... you do need to keep your cost down to be efficient.. and it is a quick way to cut the herd as they say...
But i was refering to , hopefully, the future of said university. Just not to be caught up and try to imitate the way others do it... as some said... if you wanted MIT or STANFORD.. then you would go there. Try to do things a bit different... experiment... as it might well pay off.
BTW, the point was not to pitch myself in;) , i probably would not pass the first cut as i assume quite a great deal of overqualified candidates would apply, and i'm just barely qualified... hehe Just to make the call that other points should be considered, at the same stance, if not higher than SAT scores...
I do agree that MIT has great criteria...but like anything.. it has room for improvement..
as far as taking the SAT's again.... hrm, i only took them twice... maybe i should... just as a freaking ego booster hehe, thx:)
I'm Actually quite in love with the idea of taking one course at a time intensively, it seems like the way every college should go about things. Specially in an Engineering curriculum. So do Keep up the goal.
On the other hand, i have a few quarrels/suggestions.... you should not narrow it down entirely to people that have >1400 SAT scores... at leats not forever... there are FAR greater criteria to judge.... Performance related to peers is usually one.... and perfomrance retaled to load is usually another...
I'm going to make myself the subject... although i only achieve a 1300 in the SATs... i was ranked 6 out of a class of 600 graduates... topping that was the fact that i took every available course in HS ( 5 years total of math actually ) grade avrg was 91, and the valedictorian was only a 93... due mostly to the great course load.
this is just an example, a bad one at that... but you get the point.... there are people that are quite bright... but for some reason or another.. didn't give much importance to the SAT's... i for one... had parents that went to college and were raised outside of the US, and had a horrible college advising...
so i wound up at cornell.. (wait listed at MIT, ony applied to 4 schools, and 2 of them were safety schools)
I wound up hating the cornell engineering program... i was just disappointed.. so i unenrolled....
Maube for the better, headed to an IPO bound company as Sr sys admin for a 100k salary... so you never know, and am planning to go back to school soon, and i know many people say that and don't mean it.. but i do value education... and i will come back... even if it means going back to cornell hehe
So to make this as short as it should have been... the point is... you might have the chance to make an university the way it should be made.... SO DO SO.... don't imitate... innovate... break the rules... and take on the challenge
BTW, since you are so into greatly designed systems... why in hell are using linux... join the BSD camp;)
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Actually, most company write their own....
... ) :P
I come from 3 years experience in a medium size hosting/colo company, and we wrote our own...
Basically, the reasoning is that nothing quite fits everyones enviroment, so you do use other tools, but you modify and/or integrate them into your own.
So.. in any case, if you would like one coded... hehe j/k (unless
Hrmmm...
Would you happen to know who makes Yahoo's Boxes... You don't seem to mention them..
Thx
Well, it's a question of what do you want to accomplish....
Force your ideals on everyone or Make the industry, and unix as a whole, a better design?
Like it or not, i don't see the GPL world that RMS envisions as ever happening....
Isn't it funny he mentions this little detail....
It's one detail that although many GNU advocates think they endorse, they really don't.
Before you start flaming away, think about it? Why did the TCP/IP stack become wildly popular? why did BSD sockets became the most used? Why did X catch on?
To all those questions... there's a simple answer...
They have a free license, which allowed programmers to take the good concepts and apply them to newer designs... NO , it's not stealing code, since most of the time you can NOT take someones code and apply it without great modification to another system, it's true code sharing, and something that betters the industry as a whole....
This is why people object to the GPL, in a perfect world, sure it would work, but in an imperfect world like ours.... you should not, and people don't like to, be forced into releasing your work, just because you used someone else's concept
Hence, why the X license and the BSD license help the advancement of unix, and why licenses like the GPL actually promote the splintering of unix...
Of course, this is my opinion.... ( am alwasy right) hehe..
scrap that last paragraph,, i think i omitted a line or two... :P
Why?
well, am bored, and i stopped working for a while.
* The *BSD's have just become the latest thing you show you are knowleadgeable, just like linux was a few years back...
Well, i don't wish to change anyones preference.. You use the best or the job... and on many tasks... But that doesn't change the gfact, that FreeBSD is still a better engineered system.... again... face the facts.. i mean... damn kernel httpd? ok, give me a break, maybe on a micro kernel arch, but on a monolithic? maybe am wrong... hehWHile this could be true, i personally don't think so. Most New FreeBSD users can be categorized into two main sectors. One, ex linux users, that want to try it out, and see what is all about. Mostly because of problems they've had with linux, other times because they just want to try something new.Two, current Solaris,commecial unix users, that are looking for a reliable platform, on relative inexpensive hardware.
If you're somehow wondering my background, my first unix experience was on solaris, back in 1993. FreeBSD in early '96. Linux, debian, in mid '97. My preference... isn't it odvious?
* 2.4 will close any gaps in heavy I/O FreeBSD may have an advantage in
EHHHHH, nope. At least not in my testing or anyone's testing... 2.4 is slower on many things than 2.2 is.
* SMP is better on Linux
One comment... the difference between doing it right, and doing it slopy is a great one my friend.
* Linux dev is Free'er than the BSD's
In linux kernel dev, you are subjected to the views of two main controlling forces... Linus and Alan... FreeBSD... about 15 core team members, with greatly equal vote.. plus the rest of the commiters.. plsu everything is available right away on CVS, unlike the linux kernel... AGAIN BRANCHES MY FRIEND...
FreBSD just follows a more mature approached to developement... I advise you to read up on it.. Linux is still the hobbyist OS that it started as.. and hopefully that will change.
Don't believe about the code quality? well, the BSD C lib is half the size of the GNU lib C, with the same functionality..
It shows what linux groupies always try to deny...
The *BSD's perform better under heavy I/O.
Unlike the general linux mentality of, get it out the door if it barely works, the BSD mentality has alwasy been... it only goes out, if it's ready, and mature enough to go out... Hence the different release branches...
FreeBSD... The choice of those, who know how to choose...
Flame filters... ON... you can flame all you want, but you cannot change the facts.
Well, as much as I think you are probably trolling....
;)
That would be the best news ever... I mean, the TWO real UNIX back together, BSD, and sysV
Wow
Together with the Ongoing Code Merge of FreeBSD +BSDI + (Maybe SCO UNIX Sys V ).... Damn...
It brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it
FreeBSD... the Choice of those who know how to choose....
What i would like to see, is some serious testing of all current unix'es, doing real world tasks... Focusing on not only their performance, but their stability, AND load bearing... ( who cares if something is fast, if as soon as a great load comes, it crawls )
Something like THIS
FreeBSD...
Actually, its very compatible....
;)
;)
The very odd thing is, that it is sometimes even faster
Yes, wordperfect 8 and staroffice 5.1a are both in the ports collection.
As far as the games..... well, they may well run. They should run with little or no modification at about the same speed.
The linux enviroment is based on RH 6.1 currently, you can even just use rpm's right on the system
FreeBSD, the choice of those who know how to choose
about.com is, and we are the 7th largest, no puny weather.com :P
;)
FreeBSD, the Choice of those who know how to Choose
It's not her that's turning into stone..
its a part of my body.....
j/k BTW
Is the chick on the picture included?
;)
if so, not too bad of a price.
The lead devloper of the darwin , the basis of MacOS X, is a FreeBSD developer, enough said....
;)
:P
The kernel started being a mach/Next System, then , some stuff was taken from netbsd, and now, then they started a full source sync with FreeBSD, now mostly finished ( to their purpose of course )... well, the recognize quality when they see it
Read, people, read before you post
http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html
you mean Solaris 2.6 to Solaris 7, AKA Solaris 2.7, AKA SunOS 5.7 and Solaris 2.6 is AKA SunOS 5.6 .... Confusing no?
what do i suggest...
Maybe a re-visitation of ucita.....
Some action so that it DOES NOT become adopted by other states.....
How about that for a suggestion?
idiot. since it is the only way i can refer to someone like you...
I am referring to the nasty ability the Ucita gives software publishers..... this IS a law maker's issue, as ucita is legislative act....
And the only way to get rid of ucita is via challenges to it, which... guess what... involve other legislative acts... and of course... lawmakers...
Or do we have too many clueless lawmakers.... maybe it's time for action?
check it out..... www.redhat.org.....
;)
All i have to say.... COOL
FreeBSD, simply the Best
Finally, slashdot move to a decent colo facility.... ABOUT TIME BOYS.....
I wonder if there were any technical reasons for the switch of platfrom... ie Solaris to AIX... or if it a corpoarte agreement... specially since netSOl was bought by versign.
Many of you look at the BSD license, and say, well, companies can use the code and adapt it to their propietary products. Well, DUH! that's the whole point. For most of it's life, the BSD camp has been focused on improving computer design overall, not only their system.
;)
;)
In most applications, you cannot just cut and paste code, you need to adapt it to fit your frame work, which makes it quite different. All that is left is the ideal on the design, which like standards, should be shared. The importance and the competitive edge is gained by the better implementation, well sometimes at least.
The BSD camp practically fueled the used of the tcp/ip protocol, greatly due to their fact that's their tcp/ip stack was freely available for others to build on, and oddly enouhg, it is still arguably the fastest performer.
Need i mention bind or apache? both improved by corporations despite their BSD license. The BSD license allows a greater corporate appeal to OSS. Great designs need to be shared
And for those who some how believe that th elinux ip stack is catching up... heh, try packet capture/shaping on a linux tcp/ip stock.... not fun... the reasons why anyoen doing serious network software would not choose the linux tcp/ip stack... ask junipernetworks why their choose freebsd
Well, those where my $0.25... before you blabbler away.. read a bit on the BSD mentality at freebsd.org
First... what is the reasoning behind that quite odd bit at the last part of the GNU su man page.....
.. but free software is free software... and their contribution is just as great as the FSF's...
;)
Secondly... what is the big quarrel with the BSD movement.... I mean, i know you don't agree
Don't fall into your own fears...
I see the point that you need to focus on SAT's initially... you do need to keep your cost down to be efficient.. and it is a quick way to cut the herd as they say...
;) , i probably would not pass the first cut as i assume quite a great deal of overqualified candidates would apply, and i'm just barely qualified... hehe
:)
But i was refering to , hopefully, the future of said university. Just not to be caught up and try to imitate the way others do it... as some said... if you wanted MIT or STANFORD.. then you would go there. Try to do things a bit different... experiment... as it might well pay off.
BTW, the point was not to pitch myself in
Just to make the call that other points should be considered, at the same stance, if not higher than SAT scores...
I do agree that MIT has great criteria...but like anything.. it has room for improvement..
as far as taking the SAT's again.... hrm, i only took them twice... maybe i should... just as a freaking ego booster hehe, thx
I'm Actually quite in love with the idea of taking one course at a time intensively, it seems like the way every college should go about things. Specially in an Engineering curriculum. So do Keep up the goal.
... i was ranked 6 out of a class of 600 graduates... topping that was the fact that i took every available course in HS ( 5 years total of math actually ) grade avrg was 91, and the valedictorian was only a 93... due mostly to the great course load.
On the other hand, i have a few quarrels/suggestions.... you should not narrow it down entirely to people that have >1400 SAT scores... at leats not forever... there are FAR greater criteria to judge.... Performance related to peers is usually one.... and perfomrance retaled to load is usually another...
I'm going to make myself the subject... although i only achieve a 1300 in the SATs
this is just an example, a bad one at that... but you get the point.... there are people that are quite bright... but for some reason or another.. didn't give much importance to the SAT's... i for one... had parents that went to college and were raised outside of the US, and had a horrible college advising...
so i wound up at cornell..
(wait listed at MIT, ony applied to 4 schools, and 2 of them were safety schools)
I wound up hating the cornell engineering program... i was just disappointed.. so i unenrolled....
Maube for the better, headed to an IPO bound company as Sr sys admin for a 100k salary... so you never know, and am planning to go back to school soon, and i know many people say that and don't mean it.. but i do value education... and i will come back... even if it means going back to cornell hehe
So to make this as short as it should have been... the point is... you might have the chance to make an university the way it should be made.... SO DO SO.... don't imitate... innovate... break the rules... and take on the challenge
BTW, since you are so into greatly designed systems... why in hell are using linux... join the BSD camp
justa little flame to end things hehe