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Power Up That iMac
JimRay writes: "A company called powerlogix has announced that they are offering a G-3 upgrade for those fruity iMacs. For a mere US$500, you can have an iMac running at 500mhz with 1mb of backside cache. Throw linuxPPC on that thing and you're ready to rock and roll. The press release is here
and the specs are here."
I love it when people rip up the iMac's and put bigger monitors and stuff on em :)
Mike Roberto (roberto@soul.apk.net) -GAIM: MicroBerto
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It's great when you can make one of these little cuties go faster, but what about making one into an acqarium, has anyone done that yet? I'm just not ready to porr the $1000 down the drain, so to speak.
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Finally, now you can have your iFruit and eat it, too. With a nice processor and the ATI Rage card that they come with, you can play a decent game of Quake on them now. (Yeah, you could install LinuxPPC, too. How cool would that be?) Too bad they don't offer 500 MHz G4 upgrade cards!
Whilst the iMac was at the time a decently specced machine, that wasn't the reason people went and bought it, and it certainly wasn't what Apple were pushing in their advertising campaigns. After all, it was meant to appeal to the family rather than the geek, and in that respect it certainly succeeded.
But surely this kind of owner isn't really going to care one way or the other about upgrading their iMac so that it runs faster? After all, $500 is a fair bit of money to spend on something that intangible to most people, and there isn't quite the same situation on the Mac as on the PC where if you don't have the latest CPU/graphics card/whatever you can't run anything released within the last six months.
No, it's a good service, but I can't see there being that much demand for it.
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I don't know where you guys get your mac info but it is about the oldest in the world. If I knew the slashdot community was interested in this I would have submitted it a long time ago.
And F.Y.I. there are two vendors of iMac upgrades the other one is Newer Technologies.
Except the way Newer Tech does is buy your old CPU/ROM combo card and replace the CPU.
Powerlogix, My favorite Mac Upgrade company, has figured out how to pull the ROM and place it on the hard drive and then when you install the new CPU it will flash it into the one on their chip. Pretty sweet idea if I do say so myself.
...and I'm not sure we should trust this Kyle Sagan either.
so, you take out the old, 200 or 233 daughterboard from your imac, and what do you do with it? throw it out? no!
you send it back to powerlogix (and get a refund off your purchase), so they can pop the processor loose and make another 500 mhz daughterboard out of it. i read about this a while ago in the mac media, and the thing that took so long to get started was that powerlogix needed to get a critical density of the older imac boards.
that's the only way they can upgrade the imac's daughterboard without some serious reverse engineering of the apple proprietary boards. pretty smart, if you ask me.
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Since the iMac's G3 just sits in a standard ol' ZIF socket, just like any other G3, this upgrade isn't terribly spectacular. The only change over a standard G3 that I can think of it that it's got to be multiplyer locked. The "jumpers" on the iMac that determine bus speed and CPU multipler require soldering to change, so this would be about the only obsticle to jump over. But then again, multiplyer locking is something that's pretty common place amugst other *coughIntelcough* manufactures, so R&D probably wasn't too big of a deal.
In other words, yea, you can upgrade an iMac's processor. It's not like it's soldered on the board or anything.
As IBM, Compaq, and HP move their PC business to a direct model, the promotional soft dollars that sustained corporate resellers have diminished dramatically and now jeopardize reseller channel viability. Since January 2000, major PC resellers (CompuCom, Inacom, MicroAge, Comark, GE Capital ITS) have suffered significant setbacks. For example, since selling its distribution arm to Compaq, Inacom has received numerous customer complaints about deteriorating service and poor morale. Therefore, most Component providers like PowerLogix must aggressively reposition themselves as higher-service-level providers (e.g., inventory financing) or face major business viability questions (e.g., MicroAge declared Chapter 11 in April). Bottom Line: Large PC buyers should quickly build direct relationships with component vendors like PowerLogix to insulate themselves from further (expected) reseller channel disruptions. This will allow products such as iForce to add true value to the market instead of merely providing parts.
For $300, you get a 400MHz board with 512k of cache - a much better deal for most. $500 to upgrade an older Rev. A through D iMac isn't such a big whoop, when you're constrained to Rage Pro graphics and a 66 MHz system bus. But for $300 (OK, $299), it's a nice way to kick a little life into the old iMac. I may get one for my wife's iMac, and then set her up with ViaVoice once she has the processor to chew through it properly.
Just to point it out, the current 2.0 iMacs run at 350 and 400 MHz, but with a 100 MHz system bus and the ability to use standard SDRAM DIMMs (not the laptop SO-DIMMs the older ones use). This processor upgrade is only for the older ones.
The one other thing to keep in mind is that Apple is almost a lock to announce new iMacs at Macworld next month, given that the current line dates back to October with no changes since then. At the very least, expect a speed bump in the current models, with possibly more RAM added, and maybe things like a DVD added to the low end model and price cuts as well. Apple makes a lot of profit on iMacs, relative to most low-end systems.
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When did the iMac come out? I thought it was just last year, but then again, I have this 10 year old running around the house calling himself my son! Where the hell did that come from??
If it was just a year ago, it seems awfully fast for it to be *so slow*. However maybe if it's 2 years ago, it's about time. Goes to show that the release of the iMac was all show & style (not necessarily a bad thing, i guess) but not much ooomph.
I'm glad to have a cheaper PC solution, and allowed to buy any component I need to play the upgrade game. Certainly beats higher Mac prices, and mostly purchases that must include the whole kabang. It's certainly the deciding factor on my choice of platforms. Not only that, but if someone was willing to spend more, we can build & buy PC's that are server status and for business solutions... We've got SCSI solutions, RAID, multiple CPU's, GB of RAM, and more cache solutions. However, without a doubt, I could make arguments that IBM's miniframes could eat PC's for lunch...
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I'm sorry but Powerlogix doesn't do that with the daughter cards, you are thinking of Newer Technologies. They do that with the daughter cards, this post is incorrect. PowerLogix pulls the ROM off the original board and flashes it onto their upgrade board.
CPU upgrades for the iMac have been around for a long time, the one from Powerlogix is actually semi-normal, instead of mailing off your daughter baord to be used in another upgrade.
...and I'm not sure we should trust this Kyle Sagan either.
Apple shouldn't mind. This will not reduce demand for iMacs at all. If they decide to bring out a 500MHz iMac, then it will be cheaper than a 233Mhz machine + a 500MHz upgrade.
Besides, Apple have no tradition of preventing people from doing whatever the hell they want with their hardware. why would they start now?
doesn't newer tech have an upgrade for imacs. They had it a few months ago. Old news.
/Aram
wrong. i have three words. complete hardware integration. i have never had 1) an irq setting problem. 2) hardware fry on me 3) ide/ata cards blow on my macs. have had bad hw is every pc i bought, and i NEVER bought off brand stuff.
They still make the best hw. not the fastest chips mind you, but the best hw in terms of life of svc.
tom
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my mistake. that was newer tech that was doing that daughterboard swap. nevermind.
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i agree that apple would probably like to respond in this way, but aren't these modifications legal? especially since they are only modifying apple hardware and not doing any reverse engineering or anything (which should be legal), isn't this unquestionably legal? by purchasing an imac, don't you have the right to do whatever you want with it (install software, upgrade hardware, hit it with a hammer, install a new processor, ...)? i guess not if it was a dvd, but i don't think that "virus" has spread this far yet...
Apple will probably (sue them/modify future Imacs so this modification is not possible/otherwise behave in a fashion considered anti-social by the geek culture at large.) Pick one.
Well, if history has its way, none of the above will happen. Powerlogix (and a handfull of other companies) have been making Apple processor upgrades for a rather long time. No sueing, no odd modifications, no underhanded tricks. Is it really odd to think that Apple might actually *want* you to be able to upgrade your computer without buying a new one? Apple offered accelerators like this for quite a while, I'm not entirly sure why they stopped, but they certainly aren't making any moves trying to stop others.
It's not like they're Microsoft.
The reason it is so difficult to upgrade an iMac CPU is the Apple created a daughterbaord with the CPU, RAM slot, and proprietary ROM chip.
The main reason it took this long is because the manufactures had to figure out a way to create a card that still uses the proprietary ROM code.
If it was that simple as swaping ZIF G3s, I would have done that a long time ago.
...and I'm not sure we should trust this Kyle Sagan either.
The main difference is how the manufacturers got around the issue of the Apple boot ROMs being on the processor daughtercard. Newer has you mail back the original daughtercard, which they then solder a new G3 on. (So yes, your card is technically a refurb) They are a little cheaper, though -- $450.
The guys from Powerlogix pulled a somewhat slicker trick. They apparently have a utility which reads the contents of the boot ROM and stores it on the hard drive. Their card uses flash ROM and the contents of the file are flashed to the card when you install it. Therefore you don't need to send your card back for them to make more upgrade cards -- and your card is brand new.
I don't think you can use either card with a rev D iMac, but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to spend big bucks to upgrade a 400Mhz machine to 466 or 500Mhz. It's a more attractive deal if you have a rev A or B model (233 or 266Mhz) especially since those two can take Voodoo2 upgrades (yeah, yeah, pretty old but still an improvement over the built-in ATI chipsets).
What's of more interest is that Powerlogix may use the same technique to offer upgrades for the Wallstreet Powerbooks.
With one o' them, those lil' gumdrops would certainly need some cooling, wouldn't they.
So much for fanless Imacs.
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Without being disrespectful of LinuxPPC but these (and coming) upgrades are especially interesting in the perspective of the advent of MacOS X. Don't forget: it will offer the stability and technical quality of a *nix system (FreeBSD) combined with probably the most user-friendly interface (Apple's Aqua) and a bunch of apps (including the "indispensable" MS Office)
Drashcan
The nice thing about Windows is: it does not just crash; it displays a nice little dialog box and let's you press 'OK'
Remember, the DMCA only applies to software, music and DVDs, not hardware. Fair use still applies. If you want to swap out your CPU, you can do so. Not only that, but as someone else pointed out, PowerLogix and Newer Technologies have been at this for a long time already, and Apple has no objections. The CPUs are expensive enough that the upgrade manufacturers aren't really detracting from Apple's hardware sales.
As for releasing a new iMac, well, wait one month. I don't know about compatibility.
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Except Apple did change the ROM in the "new world" Blue & White G3 machines to disable ZIF upgrading last year. The upgrade companies found a way around it, but it was Apple's first attempt at locking those companies out.
Also, for $285 you can have a 450MHz 1MB 2:1 cache aluminum Motorola ZIF from OWC. Copper really is the way to fly, but it won't make a $200+ difference in an old iMac.
tell that to the many g3-500 Mhz powerbook owners.
tool.
Reality does not happen until you analyze the dots. -Don DeLillo (Underworld)
PowerPC 750 @ 400, or 500 MHz
That's from the stats sheet. If my memory serves, a PowerPC 750 is a G3.
Oh, no... I can just see hundreds of people frying themselves on the monitor anode... and hundreds of iMac motherboards fried from inadequate anti-static measures. Eugggh....
According to their web page, the PowerPC port is relatively new and only a few machines are supported. In the list of hardware platforms under development, they claim:
This isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Stick with NetBSD.
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not the fastest chips mind you, but the best hw in terms of life of svc.
The processor speeds are NOT meassured by Mhz. Comparing PowerPC 750 and Intel chips on a Mhz basis is not even close to adequate. There is much more involved in the "speed" tests.
Check this for information regarding Processor comparisons.
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Why would I put Linux on a 500mHz G3 in the first place? Geez. You'd think the world revolves around linux - nope, I'm sticking MacOS X on that sucker. Why not Linux? Any sort of box can run Linux. A 500mHz G3 is good for running MacOS - that's it, running MacOS and heavy-dudy media software. (Or take a PCI 604-based mac and make it a G3 - and run BeOS!). While I respect Linux as a platform, you shouldn't put Linux on everything, because it becomes just another Linux box.
Boy am I glad I sold my imac and bought a pc! Sheesh, $500! And no half life!
What a huge mistake apple made when they didn't allow clones to be made of macs. Even when they started them late, they were going so great! Oh well, I guess they'll just remain a niche market for a long time to come.
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I have a Lombard 400 Mhz G3 PowerBook. I know it only has a 66 Mhz system bus, but the only thing that has kept me from upgrading is the fact that the new 2K PB's killed SCSI in place of FireWire. I'd rather have SCSI, and I can get a FireWire PCMCIA card. What really kills me though, is the fact that the new PB's have AirPort antennas built in...
Anyway, I'd like to see somebody make an upgrade for Lombards...the only thing holding 'em back is the ROM issue.
Hopefully, we'll see some Wallstreet/Lombard upgrades soon...
Kevin, MCSE+I/MCT (I'm no bigot, waiting for MacOS X, hehe)
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iMacs are cute. I'd like one as a decorator, and if it ran Linux I could justify if as having some sort of useful function, even just as a web client.
But make me use a monitor that size ? That's Cruel and Unusual Punishment in my book.
newertech has a boneheaded distributor that refuses to ship anything outside the us. i'm a us military member overseas in korea, and they still won't even ship it to me. their loss.
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Preaching to the choir here. I still bleed in 6 colors. But even according to Mac Addict tests the 1GHZ Athlon beats the 500 MHz G4, even with Altivec enabled. Yes, the 500 G4 would stomp all over even an 800 MHz Athlon...but fair is fair. Apple lost the speed crown.
This says nothing about their totally superior HW, though.
Tom
Reality does not happen until you analyze the dots. -Don DeLillo (Underworld)
Wow, CPU upgrades for personal computers. What will they think of next?
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To make things even more interesting...
Apple sold some Powermacs 9500 and 8500 with dual processor cards made by Daystar.
Apple always provided the specs of the processorcards to everybody.
how did you put a voodoo2 in a computer with no open PCI slots?
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$1299 is 'dirt cheap'?
Or did you get one when they were $999? Well, I'm sure they're cheaper now, but a PC of that 'class' would cost like, $400...
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Think again, Greyfox. Consider that this won't really hurt Apple's business, since the cost of buying an iMac and accellerating it to a 500Mhz G3 could buy you a 400Mhz G4 and half a decent monitor (although, granted, not from Apple).
Then consider the goodwill that Apple customers usually hold for Apple as their machines last them around twice what a PC would. And how much more an accerator card adds to that.
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haha I haven't fallen for that one in a while... nice to see its still goin strong.
Its for an mac SE but it could be modified instructions
Over at MacSlash we covered the news last week in this story. We've got some more details, and some good links for more information.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Newer Technologies makes a pretty sweet iMac upgrade, too. Their videotape installation makes it easy to pop in and go, although it's only 466 mhz, as opposed to the 500 discussed in the article above.
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Seemed to me Apple didn't like other companies monkeying with their hardware. And as sue happy as the industry is these days, nothing would surprise me.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
For a 500 MHz... I'll stick with PC's where I can get an entire new 500 Mhz for less than a 300 Mhz iMac.
The lead devloper of the darwin , the basis of MacOS X, is a FreeBSD developer, enough said....
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The kernel started being a mach/Next System, then , some stuff was taken from netbsd, and now, then they started a full source sync with FreeBSD, now mostly finished ( to their purpose of course )... well, the recognize quality when they see it
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That's been my perception for a LONG time, but I recently made an honest comparison between the G4 500mhz and what's available on the Intel/AMD side.
Memory tech
G4 100 mhz bus
PC 133 mhz bus
PC Tech Faster
CPU Level 2 Cache Tech
G4 1mb at 1/2 CPU speed
PC 256k at full CPU speed
Toss Up (depends on the application)
Graphics Speed
G4 AGP 2X, ATI Rage 128 Pro
PC AGP 4X, GeForce2
PC Tech MUCH Faster
PCI slots
G4 66mhz PCI slots
PC 33mhz PCI slots
G4 Tech Faster
Disk Tech
G4 UDMA 33
PC UDMA 66
PC Tech Faster
blessings,
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The new generation has a different case design than the first to allow for convection cooling. I beleive the kicker was adding RF shielding into the plastic so you could get rid of those big aluminium shields that block circulation.
So if you've got a first gen iMac (tray loading), you'll still need the fan in there (case fan, NOT a CPU fan) to allow adaquate circulation. But if you're talkin about the current generation (slot loading) you won't need a fan any more than you do now.
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My goodness.. If I could pull buzzwords out of thin air like that, I'd be a CIO by now...
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Interesting post, but I had to read it a few times to cut through the thicket. For future reference, the Bottom Line is called an Executive Summary and goes at the beginning.
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a PC of that 'class' would cost like, $400
A lot of the "$400" computers require you to pay $800 for three years of AOL or some other online service. This is especially ridiculous considering that even M$N is only about $10 a month now and that there is free DSL.
Will I retire or break 10K?
The guy's user name was dingbat_hp!
The last line was for those who think that I would have the gall to claim Steve cares about me or what I would email to him.
C'mon people!
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I'll stick with PC's where I can get an entire new 500 Mhz for less than a 300 Mhz iMac.
A 300 MHz iMac's G3 is about as fast as a 500 to 600 MHz Celery.
Will I retire or break 10K?
'cept you're wrong on the disk tech: the G4 is UDMA 66. The iMac is only UDMA 33... Now put prices next to everything, and count your time to assemble/debug the hardware and settings. And include fireWire and USB ports, 56K modem, and 10/100 ethernet.
Then consider the goodwill that Apple customers usually hold for Apple as their machines last them around twice what a PC would. And how much more an accerator card adds to that.
Yes, this is true. Until recently, I was using an old PowerCenter 132 (132 MHz 604 clone of the 7[5|6]00 architecture. It ran well, but eventually I added a Voodoo 3, a newer harddrive (10 gig SCSI), and topped it off a G3-250 card (that I clocked to 270 MHz, and upped the bus from 40 to 60 MHz). Upgrade cost: $500 (half of that for the SCSI drive).
Suddenly, Unreal Tournament, SimCity 3K, and Descent 3 were playable!
Now this PowerCenter cost me $3000-some, when it was an upper-mid-range (or lower-high-end) model. The only things that have gone wrong with it are a bad fan at one point (easily replaced for $10), and the floppy drive died after about 3 years (no big deal; it barely ever got used). Over time I also added more memory (from initial 16, to 148 once it became cheaper), and upped the CD rom from 4x to 24x with an off the shelf one at Best Buy.
Now, why am i telling you all this? Because the machine is still useful. It still chugs along nicely, and it still outperforms my friends 2 year old P2-300 Acer at everyday tasks (and UT framerates). Nowadays I dont use it for much, but its still a reasonable system for everyday usage. It'd make a nice server, if I wanted to use it for that.
I dont know anyone who can upgrade a 4 year old PC, to someting that can still play some of the newer games.
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Also, this does not take into account mean time to failure. I would love to see studies, if just to confirm my anecdotal experience, showing mtf between standard PCs and Macs.
Like I said, I have NEVER seen Apple HW fail. Have had many Macs oer the years, and a couple three PCs. The PCs all crapped out within a matter of 2 years. I still have Centris and SE/30, all original parts, all without a single failure.
Tom
Reality does not happen until you analyze the dots. -Don DeLillo (Underworld)
One of the cool things about the Mac Shareware community is that there's *tons* of stuff out there that a lot of people don't know about. (Try PureMac.com).
IP masquarading takes about 2 minutes to set up with a cool utility called IPNetRouter avaiable from Sustworks for pretty cheap. (Shareware).
There's a solution for pretty much everything out there on the Mac, if you just know where to look.
(Also, do a search for Virtual on the pure-mac site... you'll find virtual desktops, too!)
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Why is it that stories that seemingly have no relation to linux at all can be used to advocate linux? "Delete that piece of shit MacOS off your newly tuned iMac, and put on Linux (for which there is even less software than x86 Linux).
Slashdot fucking sucks, you Linux fanatics are morons. You're all for freedom of choice, unless you choose something other than linux, because, of course, if you choose something besides linux you are horrible misinformed.
Moderate me down if you want, but I fail to see how legitimate complaint could qualify as a troll or flamebait...
While they did sell upgrades in the early days (including DOS cards that had an Intel processor and PPC upgrades for older Macs), they stopped doing this later on. A different attitude arrived along with Steve Jobs. Upgrades were frowned upon, to say the least. The iMac, for example, is designed so that it's almost impossible to upgrade.
This attitude reached its height when Apple released a G3 ROM firmware upgrade that deliberately made it impossible to upgrade your G3 to a G4. The official word from Apple was that they were, "worried about stability issues if users carried out the upgrades themselves, since G3 computers were never meant to be fitted with G4 processors."
http://www.macnn.com/features/g4 blockupgrrep.shtml
While it's nice to think that Apple was concerned about the poor users and wanted to prevent their systems from becoming unstable, I think it's much more likely that Apple realized that they didn't make any money from upgrades. If you're Apple, would you rather have someone upgrade their current iMac with a card (from you or another manufacturer) or buy a completely new iMac? I think the answer is obvious.
It's hard to argue with Apple's corporate strategy here though. It's changes like this that have brought them back from the brink of bankruptcy and turned them into a profitable company.
The current situation seems to be that Apple tolerates upgrades but isn't about to go out of their way to help the upgrade companies.
If my memory serves, a PowerPC 750 is a G3.
Actually, the G3 is a PowerPC 750. G3, and G4, just like Velocity Engine are just marketroid names Apple made up to be a little more consumer-friendly. The respective real names are PowerPC 740, PowerPC 750 and AltiVec.
That's my question. And the answer? No.
Will you be able to? Maybe. But not likely.
LinuxPPC 2000? Heck yeah! ftp.linuxppc.org, baybee!
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New iMacs have a VGA port in the back. But it's only for mirroring. But you cant put a bigger monitor in the case.
The iMac is also UDMA 66. See www.apple.com/imac
... but it's still a bleeding iMac..
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(I hope this isn't "another" post -- I was on a Windoze box earlier, which has the unstable and unreliable Internet Exploder.. bleh!)
:) LinuxPPC always _has_ been available that way, and always will be! Enjoy.
It's good stuff. We've been doing it for years. It used to be the only native Linux on the PowerPC. (MkLinux goes through the Mach microkernel, which slows it down. I think OS X does, too.)
We've been at it for years, as I've said, and we've done generally good work. We just released a new version of Netscape Communicator, which should improve user's security and general experiences.
And if you knew how badly Apple treated us, you'd probably feel better about supporting us -- and mad at Apple! (It's just a few people, really. but still...)
LinuxPPC simply rocks. It's faster than the MacOS, and more stable. And it can run the Mac OS now.
I just have one question: will Mac OS X be available as a free download? I doubt it.
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Most of the major ISP's will pay you $400 to sign up if you do it with a new computer, that's one of the reasons they are so cheap at places like curcut city.
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A nic, that's what $8? A modem, $6?
Firewire only comes in the DViMacs, not the regular ones. And a crappy 15inch monitor will run you about $150. not $799
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MPW is a pain because it is not a good CLI. its a pain in the ass. if i could use the same commands as linux it would be fine. For MacOS its not acceptable. The interface is not intuitive, the commands suck.... etc.
I will admit though that i never did go through the whole tutorial or anything. It was too much work. Compiling programs in linux is easier.
we have a pair of them here at the mucow residence -- very happy with them indeed. They are fine tools for many purposes.
I would be even happier to see the Bondi blue iMac souped up, and probably will cough up $500.
Actually, you're wrong. PowerPC 740 - was an early G3 that didn't go above 233Mhz. It was never released in any Apple computers. PowerPC 750 - is the current G3's in use today. In Apple computers, these range from 233 - 500Mhz. PowerPC 7400 - this is the actual name for the G4.
Isn't there also MacMinix, MachTen UNIX, Yellow Dog Linux, Black Lab Linux, SuSE Linux, Darwin and BeOS?
Dammit, dammit, dammit! I knew I shouldn't have used my old SE for bating practice when the monitor died. And I always thought it'd make a great aquarium.
Shift happens. Fire it up.
search slasdhot for it, just search for frankenstein imac
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