Might I just point out for completeness sake, that those RH updates are mostly server-side and admin tools? Why in the name of God would you want to install these on a desktop machine? Almost all software mentioned is unnecessary for a normal user's desktop, which does seem to be your target system, seeing as you just installled Win98 on it.
Unless of course you just installed Win98 on your administrator's workstation, in which case you deserve what's coming to you, as you are completely clueless in that case.
For God's sake man, if you have to use Windows, use NT. It's still crap, but at least it's usable in a corporate setting with clueful admins (as we just established you are not).
Apologies. I was a bit tired of all the whining going on, so I posted a bit hastily. What I do mean to say, that if you are going to say anything contrary to the conventional wisdom, you'd better be very careful about it. Augusto's posts did not seem very well thought out to me at that moment, but I conceed that my general irritation might have clouded my judgment.
Also, as a mitigating circumstance, I hope it is clear my anger was not directed at Augusto but at the poster whining about the moderation. Frankly, these things happen. I try to be as fair as possible, but moderation will occasionally go awry, that's the nature of the system.
Hope I made myself a little clearer now. (Note to self: take a deep breath before flying off the handle).
Yet we have to constantly police our borders trying to keep illegal aliens out. Yet we have waiting lists of people who want to legally immagrate here.
Definition of Trolling: troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames.
By that definition Augusto was trolling, and your comments on the moderation would have earned you a negative mod had I not been composing this reply.
Mart (moderator today and sick of the whining)
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Ok, I know I'm still a bit new here, but I just couldn't let this slip.
Have you checked the User-IDs lately? They are in the 400k range now. Yes, you've heard me right: ther are now over 400.000, that's FOUR HUNDERD THOUSAND! registered readers here, and God knows how many Anonymous Cowards.
Even if only 1% chose to e-mail CmdrTaco, that's stil THOUSANDS of e-mails. Show a little freaking manners man! Taco doesn't answer one of your e-mails, and immediately you run out and post this fact in a public forum. Have you ever even considered that he might not have had time to even READ it?
Frankly, with inconsiderate idiots like you around, I can understand why Taco wouldn't post here anymore
Oh yeah, like US congressmen suddenly demanding an investigation on the takeover of the chipmaker SVG by the dutch company ASML, citing security concerns, after first giving the go-ahead half a year ago!
Don't go giving us that holier-than-thou attitude, when it comes to nationalism the US is as bad, maybe worse than Europe.
Are you by any chance referring to the SuSE A.G. in Nueremberg?
You're right, this sounds awfully suspicious, but remember there has been a lot of bad feelings over the Echelon program lately, especially considering the fact that US companies suddenly come up with a better deal just as some EU company is about to sign a major contract (as for example Boeing vs Airbus when some Arab airline wanted to upgrade it's fleet). Germany, being an industrial powerhouse, was most incensed by this suspicion of industrial espionage sanctioned by the US government, and Germans being historically paranoid about eavesdropping, this is not a surprising reaction.
Your comment sounds very insightful and interesting indeed. I do however see one fundamental flaw in your whole reasoning.
Consider this: in your utopia personal information is freely available. Errors in your personal data can always be corrected because you will be aware of them. There's the rub: the burden of taking care of personal information in all ways is on the individual. Unfortunately with the masses of databanks holding our info this task is positively Herculean.
Privacy OTOH lays the responsibility of dealing with your info on society in the form of a negative: noone gets your info unless you specifically give permission for it. This is easier for an individual to track and enforce (as long as said individual has the force of law to back him of course).
people who are using the GPL are
forcing their morality on me.
I just love this. This is the same logical fallacy that all anti-GPL zealots commit. By vehemently attacking the GPL in a public forum like this you are implicitly forcing your anti-GPL morality on those that prefer to use the GPL.
Your argument is not consistent, thus not logical. I name you for what you are: a Troll
Let's see if I remember my classes in constitutional law: Here in the Netherlands it says right in the constitution that no act of speech (and that includes publication in any form) shall be subject to inspection prior to being made public. However there is a neat little subclause that says that after publication such acts are subject to all normal liabilities under criminal and civil law.
As an example: the government can not forbid the publication of racist pamphlets, however once published the authors can be sued under article 137 sub c of the criminal code for defamation of a group of the population (article 137 basically deals with slander or libel, and sub c expands this to entire groups not individuals).
As far as copyright goes we're not much different from the States. Copyright term is however limited to 50 years after the death of the original author. As an interesting aside, this is how the government suppressed publication of 'Mein Kampf': They confiscated the copyright as 'enemy property' after the liberation, thus preventing publication until 1995.
Oops, sorry about that. I had never noticed ping among the programs that were setuid, and I was posting from work yesterday, so I couldn't check it out. A quick ls/bin/ping -l shows you're right. Thanks!
This raises a question with me: on my Debian system, apache binds to port 80 and runs as user www-data with no root privileges, and I can ping with impunity as a normal user without ping being suid.
In the light of your statements, how would that be possible?
Most artists don't make money anyway!
Maybe so, but the possibility of "going big" motivates a lot of them.
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Excuse me?! Just because a bunch of snotty kids in a garage want to become millionaires the rest of society has to live with restricted fair use rights and crap like CPRM?
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Seriously, this is exactly the point. It has already been pointed out that artists are being screwed by the RIAA as well, so I won't go into that issue. There is however something else at stake here.
The problem is an imbalance of power: the media companies have the power to dictate contract terms, and the power to influence legislation to protect their business model. However, the way they have chosen to exercise that power is harmful to society as a whole, by restricting certain rights and freedoms.
So the question remains: why should we all suffer injustice in order to protect a few?
Ouch! Someone beat me over the head with a cluestick please! I just realised I was giving an intel x86 answer to an Alpha question. Scrap #1 from my post as an answer to the questions asked, #2 still stands.
Just gotten bit by the 'everything is x86' bug I guess
The kernel appears to contain some 16-bit code (probably in the bootloader, but I am not a kernel hacker, so excuse my ignorance). To compile this you need the 16-bit version of the binutils package, which Debian does not install by default. I believe it is called binutils86, so just apt-get install that, that did the trick for me at least.
I read this on linux.debian.user, don't know if it applies generally, but I am sure someone will correct if it doesn't: upgrading from stable/testing to unstable needs an upgrade of perl from version 5.005 to 5.6. Because the debconf scripts in unstable are built on perl5.6, they will break, as it is obviously not installed yet. The solution appears to be to point your sources.list to unstable, do apt-get update then apt-get install perl and only then apt-get dist-upgrade.
I had the same problems as you and doing the above solved it, however as always YMMV.
I'll have to take issue with this obvious display of intellectual deficiency:
You do know that you don't have to publish your code under the GPL, right? Even RMS acknowledges that it is perfectly within your rights to keep your code proprietary, he just thinks it is the wrong thing to do and he says so, but tell me how does that force you to release under the GPL? After all, it says nowhere that you have to listen to RMS.
Of course you might want to use a piece of GPL software for yourself, and resent that you would have to put your work under the GPL because of that. I'd think that you would have no problem with that, given that it is the original author's right to decide what happens with his software. You can't have it both ways: either you want author's rights respected, in which case you have to abide by the GPL if you want to use GPLed code, or you don't want intellectual property rights at all
Last week's print editions of the Economist and Newsweek carried articles on Napster that were definitely siding with the popular slashdot opinion, so I think the mainstream media are slowly 'getting it'.
Couldn't find the articles online though or I would have posted a link, sorry
I'd hate to ruin your nice and simple view of the world, but have you checked lately how many of the core KDE developers get their salaries from Trolltech? I'd wager quite a lot.
Face it, your attempt to paint KDE vs Gnome as poor volunteers vs corporate cubicles is easily disproved.
Next time you post, try adding something valuable to the discussion, ok?
...I am fairly certain that the RIAA doesn't hold a gun to anyone's head; including the heads of the artists.
Let me answer this:
Most independent labels don't have sufficient circulation to make sure that their artists can get more than the bare necessities to survive (as artists that is, so I include costs for gear, studio time etc).
The only way to become succesful, whether you define that as wealth or widespread recognition, is through the superior distribution channels of a major label.
All 5 (6?) major labels offer artists the same crappy deal, so there is no alternative.
BTW last time I checked, this kind of business model was called a cartel, illegal under both US and European anti-trust law. Where is the DOJ?
Great Idea! Actually gnome-apt already does some of this, but it is still in heavy development, plus that some of it's behaviour is utterly braindead (like remembering what columns I don't want to see in the package display, but continually forgetting that I want my packages sorted by section, not alphabetically).
I have however seen that gnome-apt was not upgraded when I went from potato to woody, so does this mean that Debian is discontinuing it? That would be a shame, as it would seem like a good base to build this project on.
Germany, BMW and Mercedes are building plants in the US as fast as they can, to flee teh confiscatory tax rate
Sorry to interrupt your nice little US-centric line of thought, but wasn't Daimler-Chrysler scaling down its US operations in favor of their European (read German) arm?
Get off of your US high horse, and RTFA (Read the F****** Article)! This has nothing to do with the German government, it is the German equivalent of the RIAA lobbying for content control on the internet.
Your post shows nothing but immaturity and ignorance. Let me guess: you are still in high school, and the history teacher hasn't gotten around to European history yet?
Uuuhhh, no actually. A couple of years back our state-owned casino business (Holland Casinos) tried to ban a group of blackjack players who were using a card counting method that was accessible to everyone with slighty above average intelligence.
I don't remember the outcome of the suit (I believe the gamblers won), but card-counting is definitely possible, you don't have to be Dustin Hoffman to do it.
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Might I just point out for completeness sake, that those RH updates are mostly server-side and admin tools? Why in the name of God would you want to install these on a desktop machine? Almost all software mentioned is unnecessary for a normal user's desktop, which does seem to be your target system, seeing as you just installled Win98 on it.
Unless of course you just installed Win98 on your administrator's workstation, in which case you deserve what's coming to you, as you are completely clueless in that case.
For God's sake man, if you have to use Windows, use NT. It's still crap, but at least it's usable in a corporate setting with clueful admins (as we just established you are not).
MartApologies. I was a bit tired of all the whining going on, so I posted a bit hastily. What I do mean to say, that if you are going to say anything contrary to the conventional wisdom, you'd better be very careful about it. Augusto's posts did not seem very well thought out to me at that moment, but I conceed that my general irritation might have clouded my judgment.
Also, as a mitigating circumstance, I hope it is clear my anger was not directed at Augusto but at the poster whining about the moderation. Frankly, these things happen. I try to be as fair as possible, but moderation will occasionally go awry, that's the nature of the system.
Hope I made myself a little clearer now. (Note to self: take a deep breath before flying off the handle).
MartAnd so do the EU countries. Your point being?
MartDefinition of Trolling: troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames.
By that definition Augusto was trolling, and your comments on the moderation would have earned you a negative mod had I not been composing this reply.
Mart (moderator today and sick of the whining)Ok, I know I'm still a bit new here, but I just couldn't let this slip.
Have you checked the User-IDs lately? They are in the 400k range now. Yes, you've heard me right: ther are now over 400.000, that's FOUR HUNDERD THOUSAND! registered readers here, and God knows how many Anonymous Cowards.
Even if only 1% chose to e-mail CmdrTaco, that's stil THOUSANDS of e-mails. Show a little freaking manners man! Taco doesn't answer one of your e-mails, and immediately you run out and post this fact in a public forum. Have you ever even considered that he might not have had time to even READ it?
Frankly, with inconsiderate idiots like you around, I can understand why Taco wouldn't post here anymore
MartUh no, we didn't invent the internet. We did found New York, does that count?
So nice of you to prove my point. Thanks
MartOh yeah, like US congressmen suddenly demanding an investigation on the takeover of the chipmaker SVG by the dutch company ASML, citing security concerns, after first giving the go-ahead half a year ago!
Don't go giving us that holier-than-thou attitude, when it comes to nationalism the US is as bad, maybe worse than Europe.
The world is bigger than the US you know. Dolt.
MartAre you by any chance referring to the SuSE A.G. in Nueremberg?
You're right, this sounds awfully suspicious, but remember there has been a lot of bad feelings over the Echelon program lately, especially considering the fact that US companies suddenly come up with a better deal just as some EU company is about to sign a major contract (as for example Boeing vs Airbus when some Arab airline wanted to upgrade it's fleet). Germany, being an industrial powerhouse, was most incensed by this suspicion of industrial espionage sanctioned by the US government, and Germans being historically paranoid about eavesdropping, this is not a surprising reaction.
MartYour comment sounds very insightful and interesting indeed. I do however see one fundamental flaw in your whole reasoning.
Consider this: in your utopia personal information is freely available. Errors in your personal data can always be corrected because you will be aware of them. There's the rub: the burden of taking care of personal information in all ways is on the individual. Unfortunately with the masses of databanks holding our info this task is positively Herculean.
Privacy OTOH lays the responsibility of dealing with your info on society in the form of a negative: noone gets your info unless you specifically give permission for it. This is easier for an individual to track and enforce (as long as said individual has the force of law to back him of course).
Thanks for a thought provoking dialogue anyway,
MartI just love this. This is the same logical fallacy that all anti-GPL zealots commit. By vehemently attacking the GPL in a public forum like this you are implicitly forcing your anti-GPL morality on those that prefer to use the GPL.
Your argument is not consistent, thus not logical. I name you for what you are: a Troll
MartLet's see if I remember my classes in constitutional law: Here in the Netherlands it says right in the constitution that no act of speech (and that includes publication in any form) shall be subject to inspection prior to being made public. However there is a neat little subclause that says that after publication such acts are subject to all normal liabilities under criminal and civil law.
As an example: the government can not forbid the publication of racist pamphlets, however once published the authors can be sued under article 137 sub c of the criminal code for defamation of a group of the population (article 137 basically deals with slander or libel, and sub c expands this to entire groups not individuals).
As far as copyright goes we're not much different from the States. Copyright term is however limited to 50 years after the death of the original author. As an interesting aside, this is how the government suppressed publication of 'Mein Kampf': They confiscated the copyright as 'enemy property' after the liberation, thus preventing publication until 1995.
MartOf course I'll be immediately disqualified for being Dutch, but: DAF=van Doorne Automobiel Fabrieken (van Doorne's Car Factories).
MartOops, sorry about that. I had never noticed ping among the programs that were setuid, and I was posting from work yesterday, so I couldn't check it out. A quick ls /bin/ping -l shows you're right. Thanks!
MartThis raises a question with me: on my Debian system, apache binds to port 80 and runs as user www-data with no root privileges, and I can ping with impunity as a normal user without ping being suid.
In the light of your statements, how would that be possible?
Mart<flamebait>
Excuse me?! Just because a bunch of snotty kids in a garage want to become millionaires the rest of society has to live with restricted fair use rights and crap like CPRM?
</flamebait>
Seriously, this is exactly the point. It has already been pointed out that artists are being screwed by the RIAA as well, so I won't go into that issue. There is however something else at stake here.
The problem is an imbalance of power: the media companies have the power to dictate contract terms, and the power to influence legislation to protect their business model. However, the way they have chosen to exercise that power is harmful to society as a whole, by restricting certain rights and freedoms.
So the question remains: why should we all suffer injustice in order to protect a few?
MartOuch! Someone beat me over the head with a cluestick please! I just realised I was giving an intel x86 answer to an Alpha question. Scrap #1 from my post as an answer to the questions asked, #2 still stands.
Just gotten bit by the 'everything is x86' bug I guess
MartOk, There's 2 things here:
I had the same problems as you and doing the above solved it, however as always YMMV.
HTH,
MartI'll have to take issue with this obvious display of intellectual deficiency:
- You do know that you don't have to publish your code under the GPL, right? Even RMS acknowledges that it is perfectly within your rights to keep your code proprietary, he just thinks it is the wrong thing to do and he says so, but tell me how does that force you to release under the GPL? After all, it says nowhere that you have to listen to RMS.
- Of course you might want to use a piece of GPL software for yourself, and resent that you would have to put your work under the GPL because of that. I'd think that you would have no problem with that, given that it is the original author's right to decide what happens with his software. You can't have it both ways: either you want author's rights respected, in which case you have to abide by the GPL if you want to use GPLed code, or you don't want intellectual property rights at all
MartWell,
Last week's print editions of the Economist and Newsweek carried articles on Napster that were definitely siding with the popular slashdot opinion, so I think the mainstream media are slowly 'getting it'.
Couldn't find the articles online though or I would have posted a link, sorry
MartI'd hate to ruin your nice and simple view of the world, but have you checked lately how many of the core KDE developers get their salaries from Trolltech? I'd wager quite a lot.
Face it, your attempt to paint KDE vs Gnome as poor volunteers vs corporate cubicles is easily disproved.
Next time you post, try adding something valuable to the discussion, ok?
MartLet me answer this:
BTW last time I checked, this kind of business model was called a cartel, illegal under both US and European anti-trust law. Where is the DOJ?
MartGreat Idea! Actually gnome-apt already does some of this, but it is still in heavy development, plus that some of it's behaviour is utterly braindead (like remembering what columns I don't want to see in the package display, but continually forgetting that I want my packages sorted by section, not alphabetically).
I have however seen that gnome-apt was not upgraded when I went from potato to woody, so does this mean that Debian is discontinuing it? That would be a shame, as it would seem like a good base to build this project on.
MartSorry to interrupt your nice little US-centric line of thought, but wasn't Daimler-Chrysler scaling down its US operations in favor of their European (read German) arm?
MartOh come on!
Get off of your US high horse, and RTFA (Read the F****** Article)! This has nothing to do with the German government, it is the German equivalent of the RIAA lobbying for content control on the internet.
Your post shows nothing but immaturity and ignorance. Let me guess: you are still in high school, and the history teacher hasn't gotten around to European history yet?
MartUuuhhh, no actually. A couple of years back our state-owned casino business (Holland Casinos) tried to ban a group of blackjack players who were using a card counting method that was accessible to everyone with slighty above average intelligence.
I don't remember the outcome of the suit (I believe the gamblers won), but card-counting is definitely possible, you don't have to be Dustin Hoffman to do it.
Mart