I say linux is an OS NOT a distro and the OS had a bloody problem with something that was declared stable. Waiting for distros is not an option for people who role their own because of whatever special requirements they need. Wow you run debian good for you, not everyone has that luxery.
Actually, I do "roll-my-own" and maintain a Linux distribution.I was not burned by this, because like other people "rolling their own/maintaining a distro" I do keep track of LKM posts.
Anyone else doing this type of work, will hopefully learn from this - and NOT install the latest kernel the day after it's out. This type of thing has happened in EVERY series of stable kernels I can remember. And it will happen again.
Maybe, just maybe, that's because the iTunes player was an end-user product, and the kernel source is intended for adventerous users, developers, and distributions. If the default RedHat kernel of a stable RedHat release had a FileSystem corruption error, that would be something to write home about - this isn't.
I've already seen 2 posts refering to "QA" and keeping the kernel stable, etc... If you are going to try the latest version of each package that comes out, you are going to get burned.
This is one reason why distributions are so important. They do the QA, they make sure packages are stable, they apply the patches. If you want to download and run the latest edition of every package out, including the kernel, then you should expect some bumps in the road, because you are beta testing - even on a "stable" kernel series. Remember: release early, release often. You will have to do the QA, you will have to apply the patches, you will be burned. Some people like doing this to stay on the bleeding edge, others are a bit more cautious.
If you want stable, solid kernels, that are heavily QA'd wait for packages to come out. Otherwise, post a bug report, and quit whining.
The Commercial Intel compiler for Linux is not only available, but extremely functional. At one point I had a time limited Beta release on my computer, which compiled programs just fine. (After some hassles over licensing.)
The commercial version is not extremely unreasonable in price, the main disadvantage in it is that it is not completely compatible with gcc, so you can't go and recompile all the packages on your system with it.
Here's a link to Intel's page for it, I believe you can get an evaluation version from them
here
A free version is here for non commercial use is
here.
The fact is that no modern computer, no matter how powerful it gets, will ever be capable of creating true AI. Sure, they may pass the Turing test, but so does Theo de Raadt, and I can simulate his responses with nothing more than a few rules and a large table of swear words!
FACT: The Kyro2 performs very well on games USING Hardware T&L, only a few titles have shown difficulties, and there are driver optimizations and such on the way for them. This has been stated again, and again, in several links provided by others.
The average person doesn't care about technology, they care about what works. It doesn't matter that you've written a 3d engine, which is BTW, very impressive, but what DOES matter is consumer trends. You can't design a game around high-end hardware and sell it.
You haven't addressed any of the issues I have brought up, only stated that the nVidia cards are more featured. Of course, the Kyro does have hardware EMBM and 8 layer multi texturing as features. Do they not matter?
Again, highly detailed scenes, such as those present in Doom3, have LOTS of overdraw, haven't you read the quotes from John Carmack? Funny how you kindof brushed this issue asside.
CPU requirements? Which would you rather do? Pay $150 for a video card, and put that other $100-150 to a better CPU. (Take a look at the difference $150 can make on pricewatch: Duron 750Mhz - $45, Thunderbird 1.2Ghz @ 266Mhz FSB - $193) If you were an OEM which would you rather put:
1.2 GHZ System ---- specs
750Mhz System --- specs
And of course, the argument is, simply that the GeForce has T&L makes it supperiour? LOL! People bought WinModems didn't they? And you still haven't refuted that the Kyro2 performs better or as well as several other cards in Dx7 and 8 games using T&L. Or how well it performs in GL games.
It is a budget card. Aimed at people buying MX's. NOT GeForce3's. The fact that the performance is excellent is only a side-benifit. Do you have hard numbers from several games showing your claims on hardware T&L?
Some of those games could be considered old tech. But serious Sam, and MBTR, both represent a sample of the type of games we will see this year. Looking at just how far ahead the Kyro2 is in front of the MX, I fail to see how the GeForce2MX, even with T&L, compares to the Kyro2.
If the rest of the card can't back up the limited geometry processing seen in the MX, it is worthless.
I would rather upgrade my CPU alone in a couple months, than my CPU and video card. Even on Dx8 titles(Aquanox) the Kyro2 performs about the same as the GeForce2 and Radeon.
You failed to make any claims regarding the utility of T&L, other than, "I want to see the industry move forward."
Quite frankly, what's best for the consumer right now, is what matters to them. They don't give a crap about what YOU do or don't want in the future. As I said before, the Kyro2 has a nice software T&L implementation. (Which, in Dx8 games, if I recall correctly, the GeForce2MX will fallback to something similar.)
Hardware T&L is cool, but it, like HDTV, will have to wait till prices come down, and the technology is a bit more developed. The GeForce3 is the first example of a developed card. It also, just like a HDTV, is too expensive for the consumer, who won't see any benefit expect in a hand-full of token titles. Titles like the SIMS, C&C RA2, and Diablo2 are the best sellers.
Well, I like to think that game developers consider people that have purchased their computer in the past year, the great majority of which own Rage128's and TNT2's, and not screw them over by forcing them to upgrade every 6 months, as some companies would.
Good game engines will know when to take advantage of features that are there, or not.
As geometric detail increases, so does required bandwidth. So does overdraw. This is where the kyro shines. Take a look at some of the benches with some nice high polygon count images, the Kyro2 does REAL nice.
Lack of T&L is a BS argument that nVidia only fanboys keep putting up, which has little basis in reality.
1. The highest selling cards right now have extremely limited T&L units, or none at all. (Dell and Gateway sell machines by default with Rage128's and TNT2's).
2. Game manufactures not only look at current day cards, but what the majority of the market has, so titles that rely completely on T&L won't appear for at least a year. (Dx8 titles probably longer) ESPECIALLY with the slowing economy.
3. The software T&L implementation in the Kyro2 is extremely excellent, and makes use of extensions in modern processors, DESIGNED to do those manipulations.
4. The Kyro2 has extremely advanced texturing and can do 8 layer multitexturing in a single pass, far beyond what the GeForce can do.
5. The mere fact that the Kyro2 is coming out with a big name behind it, and will most likely get developers attention, indicates that they will design games with at least some thought to it.
6. nVidia has managed to piss of Hercules(see earlier post), and Creative will no longer be selling graphics cards, this means that the low end retail, will have severe competition between Kyro2 and the MX. (And if Creative starts making the Kyro2, as many rumors and such say, nVidia wil have further problems.) See why this is important in 5.
6. Best selling games aren't 3d anyway.
You're just using T&L as an excuse for why not to buy a Kyro2, when it performs extremely excellent on current day games.
I was having some strange problems with the lameness filter for some reason. "Junk charector post". Here is the beyond3d link:
http://www.beyond3d.com/interviews/cebit2001/index 2.php
nVidia has recently admitted that this document is real but that it was intended for marketting people only. I would contend that the document really has been sent to several businesses which several industry sources say is true.
In the PDF nvidia basically says that one of their key video card makers is a crap company. What was that makers response?
They are right to be scared 3D Prophet 4500 will really be a great product Street Date May 16th 2001 - Claude Guillemot, President Hercules Technologies.
But that isn't as interesting as the news that follows:
Hercules one of nVidia's major card manufacturers will not make a new MX card.
Well Nvidia stopped the production of the MX chips these will be replaced by MX200 and MX400. We will not produce a board based on the MX200 or MX400 chips. The big problem is that the new MX series will have a bigger pricetag as the Kyro II based boards and the performance will be slower as the Kyro II based boards. So we don't think a the new MX series will sell very well.
Thought this was all a bit interesting lesson
don't go around making your big suppliers mad, even if it is with leaked documents.
I recently heard about an article, and later saw a documentary, on an interesting thing going on a few schools:
the lack of math for the first several years of elementary
In fact some schools won't start until 5th grade. Why? Basic math was boring students. Instead, increased time is spent in conceptional sciences, with enough math taught to make a few aspects understandable.
In the 4th and 5th grades then an applied math is taught, and the students are given a basic knowlege of geometry. The result?
By 8th grade these students have far accelerated above their peers in both Math and Science. As you can imagine the results are fairly debated right now, but many agree that teaching applied math, or math using some applied techniques, gives faster advancement to students than the dry grindish elemtary school stuff.
Stormix did a lot for Debian. They created a *nice* installer, put some good setup and administration tools with it. Wrote the *best* manual I have ever seen come with a Linux distribution, and provided excellent commercial support.
I ran stormix for quite a bit, and it was definatly one of the better distros out there.
I don't agree with this, for the simple reason that people who do time shifting, may want to watch what they recorded on another tv.
TiVo like devices don't require a standard behind them, but when Mr. Bob decides to record the football game in the living room, and then watch it in his own room that night, he'll want to move the media. This is completely opposite of the dual TAPE VCRs that have been hitting the market lately, now THOSE things make corportations shy.
As I said before, these corporations have an interest in keeping this industry alive. That includes tapes and/or media. I believe that the future home system, will be most hampered by the inability to copy purchased movies easily, and to copy time-shifted shows easily as well. This is not much different than what's going on today, and no doubt, in the future there will be devices designed to make copies easily, just like there are today.
This will probably work about 10x better for HDTV than it would for DVDs, Microsoft, and the like, for the simple reason that: the average consumer understands the inability to have a VCR.
There is currently such a large market for VCRs, and Tivo like devices, that most major electronics companies have a vested interest in keeping these products alive. Remember, it doesn't benifit the ones making the electronics, only the ones making the media. Kindof like the whole Hard drive copy protection business.
Further there is no really defined standard for an HDTV recorder. We'll probably have something like the Betamax vs. VCR wars again in this next couple of years. Hopefully the nonproprietary standard will win again, bolstered by consumer confidence. I don't put the lack of VCR like products for HDTV on some conspiracy, but the simple facts that: 1. Extremely few people own a HDTV, so the market is little. 2. These people are probably watching off broadcast anyway, as most HDTV signals aren't really there yet.(There's been more than a few technical problems, and last I heard unless you were sitting on station, it doesn't work all that great.) So they have VCR's. 3. These same people are probably only using the HDTV capabilities to watch their latest DVDs anyways.
I was not stating that Nuclear power was the answer, just that it was AN answer, and probably better than any of those you listed. Did you know, that using conventional wind power arrays, over 1/2 OF THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES would have to be covered to produce enough power?
The word Nuclear brings up too many negative feelings in most people. These feelings HAVE KILLED VIRTUALLY ALL WORTH-WHILE RESEARCH IN FUSION IN THE UNITED STATES. There are some researchers in Canada, and France working on stuff that may make a fully functional fusion power plant possible in the next 20 years(there are some US researchers working on this also, but not as many as Canada and France have looking at it). I doubt there will ever be one constructed in CA.
Enviromentalists are generally so full of it, that they can't see their left shoe from their right. Take Hydro-Electric power. Yes, this was once praised by enviromentalists, till it caused the NEAR EXTINCTION OF SEVERAL TYPES OF FISH. Do you favor the complete distruction of an ecosystem for a few KW of power? There are several promising avenues of power research going on right now, including Orbiting solar arrays, and nuclear fusion. But DESTROYING THE LAND is not the way to go.
Admittanly, there are a few good places where geothermal, wind, and solar power could work. But the true keys here are: superconducter research, nuclear research, orbital research, and conservation research.
I think the time is ripe for Nuclear research. All current nuclear power plants are rather old. Not to mention, that with modern day techniques, a nuclear power plant could be cleaner, and more efficient. Still it takes what, on average 10+ years to build a nuclear plant? So even if they started tommorow, California couldn't have a nuclear power plant until 2010 or so. Most enviromentalists seem so focused on the negatives of nuclear power and research, that they don't realize that it is one of the most enviromentally friendly answers to electricity out their.
(The nearest power plant to me btw, is a nuclear one... But noone seems to really no, or care.)
I would argue that in embedded aps most of the reasons that make open source so applicable in the computer world fall out.
Would RMS not use a TV because it had software controlling it that was not opensource? What advantage does it give the user to have the sourcecode to the TVs controller? Since the device isn't really reprogrammable, and is an embedded, fixed function device, the actual source license becomes rather meaningless.
But what becomes rather meaningfull, is copyright. If another manufacturer were to reverse engineer, steal code, and then use it in their competing product, the original author of that code would have warrent for complaint. Especially if he didn't get any credit or advantage from the code thiefs.
Point is: the moral arguments used by the FSF against closed source fall out of the window when applied to this type of device. And since a lot of this code is writtin in assembly anyway(or at least that I've seen), in a way, it is already kindof opensource.
I was wondering much the same thing. Also, isn't it true that Quantum computers are only better than typical silicon computers in just a few aspects(like factoring and encryption).
People through the word quantum out, and it must mean something great and excellent right? Truth be told, I think this is just another logical progression in technology.
So my side, ho hum... Just like the discovery of new laser types that will supposedly make DVD obsolete last year.
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General rule: Friends don't let frinds post drunk..
Remember, these aren't your run of the mill desktop CPUs, they are designed for servers that take a considerable load, and can out horse power pretty much anything at home. When you talk about server-rooms, instead of ye old pentium box doing some printer sharing 250watts becomes small.
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Actually, I do "roll-my-own" and maintain a Linux distribution.I was not burned by this, because like other people "rolling their own/maintaining a distro" I do keep track of LKM posts.
Anyone else doing this type of work, will hopefully learn from this - and NOT install the latest kernel the day after it's out. This type of thing has happened in EVERY series of stable kernels I can remember. And it will happen again.
Maybe, just maybe, that's because the iTunes player was an end-user product, and the kernel source is intended for adventerous users, developers, and distributions. If the default RedHat kernel of a stable RedHat release had a FileSystem corruption error, that would be something to write home about - this isn't.
This is one reason why distributions are so important. They do the QA, they make sure packages are stable, they apply the patches. If you want to download and run the latest edition of every package out, including the kernel, then you should expect some bumps in the road, because you are beta testing - even on a "stable" kernel series. Remember: release early, release often. You will have to do the QA, you will have to apply the patches, you will be burned. Some people like doing this to stay on the bleeding edge, others are a bit more cautious.
If you want stable, solid kernels, that are heavily QA'd wait for packages to come out. Otherwise, post a bug report, and quit whining.
The commercial version is not extremely unreasonable in price, the main disadvantage in it is that it is not completely compatible with gcc, so you can't go and recompile all the packages on your system with it.
Here's a link to Intel's page for it, I believe you can get an evaluation version from them here
A free version is here for non commercial use is here.
*sob* Does that mean Erwin isn't really alive?
The average person doesn't care about technology, they care about what works. It doesn't matter that you've written a 3d engine, which is BTW, very impressive, but what DOES matter is consumer trends. You can't design a game around high-end hardware and sell it.
You haven't addressed any of the issues I have brought up, only stated that the nVidia cards are more featured. Of course, the Kyro does have hardware EMBM and 8 layer multi texturing as features. Do they not matter?
Again, highly detailed scenes, such as those present in Doom3, have LOTS of overdraw, haven't you read the quotes from John Carmack? Funny how you kindof brushed this issue asside.
CPU requirements? Which would you rather do? Pay $150 for a video card, and put that other $100-150 to a better CPU. (Take a look at the difference $150 can make on pricewatch: Duron 750Mhz - $45, Thunderbird 1.2Ghz @ 266Mhz FSB - $193) If you were an OEM which would you rather put:
1.2 GHZ System ---- specs
750Mhz System --- specs
And of course, the argument is, simply that the GeForce has T&L makes it supperiour? LOL! People bought WinModems didn't they? And you still haven't refuted that the Kyro2 performs better or as well as several other cards in Dx7 and 8 games using T&L. Or how well it performs in GL games.
It is a budget card. Aimed at people buying MX's. NOT GeForce3's. The fact that the performance is excellent is only a side-benifit. Do you have hard numbers from several games showing your claims on hardware T&L?
Let's take a look:
* Quake3 1600x1200x32 Normal- GeForce2MX(20.1) - Kyro2(41.6) - Performance Benefit(Loss) 207% * MDK2(T&L enabled) 1600x1200x32 - GeForce2MX(23.7) - Kyro2(41.4) - Performance Benefit(Loss) 174% * UT 1600x1200x16 Min Frame Rate- GeForce2MX(10.8) - Kyro2(22.66) - Performance Benefit(Loss) 210% * Serious Sam - A new game @ 1600x1200x32 - Geforce2MX(12.5) - Kyro2(34.2) * MBTR(w/o driver fixes) @ 1024x768 - GeForce2MX(17.1) - Kyro2(30.8) - 1.80
Some of those games could be considered old tech. But serious Sam, and MBTR, both represent a sample of the type of games we will see this year. Looking at just how far ahead the Kyro2 is in front of the MX, I fail to see how the GeForce2MX, even with T&L, compares to the Kyro2.
If the rest of the card can't back up the limited geometry processing seen in the MX, it is worthless.
I would rather upgrade my CPU alone in a couple months, than my CPU and video card. Even on Dx8 titles(Aquanox) the Kyro2 performs about the same as the GeForce2 and Radeon.
You failed to make any claims regarding the utility of T&L, other than, "I want to see the industry move forward."
Quite frankly, what's best for the consumer right now, is what matters to them. They don't give a crap about what YOU do or don't want in the future. As I said before, the Kyro2 has a nice software T&L implementation. (Which, in Dx8 games, if I recall correctly, the GeForce2MX will fallback to something similar.)
Hardware T&L is cool, but it, like HDTV, will have to wait till prices come down, and the technology is a bit more developed. The GeForce3 is the first example of a developed card. It also, just like a HDTV, is too expensive for the consumer, who won't see any benefit expect in a hand-full of token titles. Titles like the SIMS, C&C RA2, and Diablo2 are the best sellers.
Well, I like to think that game developers consider people that have purchased their computer in the past year, the great majority of which own Rage128's and TNT2's, and not screw them over by forcing them to upgrade every 6 months, as some companies would.
Good game engines will know when to take advantage of features that are there, or not.
As geometric detail increases, so does required bandwidth. So does overdraw. This is where the kyro shines. Take a look at some of the benches with some nice high polygon count images, the Kyro2 does REAL nice.
Lack of T&L is a BS argument that nVidia only fanboys keep putting up, which has little basis in reality.
1. The highest selling cards right now have extremely limited T&L units, or none at all. (Dell and Gateway sell machines by default with Rage128's and TNT2's). 2. Game manufactures not only look at current day cards, but what the majority of the market has, so titles that rely completely on T&L won't appear for at least a year. (Dx8 titles probably longer) ESPECIALLY with the slowing economy. 3. The software T&L implementation in the Kyro2 is extremely excellent, and makes use of extensions in modern processors, DESIGNED to do those manipulations. 4. The Kyro2 has extremely advanced texturing and can do 8 layer multitexturing in a single pass, far beyond what the GeForce can do. 5. The mere fact that the Kyro2 is coming out with a big name behind it, and will most likely get developers attention, indicates that they will design games with at least some thought to it. 6. nVidia has managed to piss of Hercules(see earlier post), and Creative will no longer be selling graphics cards, this means that the low end retail, will have severe competition between Kyro2 and the MX. (And if Creative starts making the Kyro2, as many rumors and such say, nVidia wil have further problems.) See why this is important in 5. 6. Best selling games aren't 3d anyway.
You're just using T&L as an excuse for why not to buy a Kyro2, when it performs extremely excellent on current day games.
I was having some strange problems with the lameness filter for some reason. "Junk charector post". Here is the beyond3d link: http://www.beyond3d.com/interviews/cebit2001/index 2.php
Nvidia PDF document link in order to avoid lameness filter.
nVidia has recently admitted that this document is real but that it was intended for marketting people only. I would contend that the document really has been sent to several businesses which several industry sources say is true.
In the PDF nvidia basically says that one of their key video card makers is a crap company. What was that makers response? They are right to be scared 3D Prophet 4500 will really be a great product Street Date May 16th 2001 - Claude Guillemot, President Hercules Technologies.
But that isn't as interesting as the news that follows:
Hercules one of nVidia's major card manufacturers will not make a new MX card.
Well Nvidia stopped the production of the MX chips these will be replaced by MX200 and MX400. We will not produce a board based on the MX200 or MX400 chips. The big problem is that the new MX series will have a bigger pricetag as the Kyro II based boards and the performance will be slower as the Kyro II based boards. So we don't think a the new MX series will sell very well.
Thought this was all a bit interesting lesson
don't go around making your big suppliers mad, even if it is with leaked documents.
the lack of math for the first several years of elementary
In fact some schools won't start until 5th grade. Why? Basic math was boring students. Instead, increased time is spent in conceptional sciences, with enough math taught to make a few aspects understandable.
In the 4th and 5th grades then an applied math is taught, and the students are given a basic knowlege of geometry. The result?
By 8th grade these students have far accelerated above their peers in both Math and Science. As you can imagine the results are fairly debated right now, but many agree that teaching applied math, or math using some applied techniques, gives faster advancement to students than the dry grindish elemtary school stuff.
Prior art must be 1 year in advance of the filing date of the patent.
It is 20 years from date of filing. (Simply, there are other conditions.....)
Older patents expired 17 years from date of issue. I don't remember when things changed....
Look here.
Stormix did a lot for Debian. They created a *nice* installer, put some good setup and administration tools with it. Wrote the *best* manual I have ever seen come with a Linux distribution, and provided excellent commercial support.
I ran stormix for quite a bit, and it was definatly one of the better distros out there.
TiVo like devices don't require a standard behind them, but when Mr. Bob decides to record the football game in the living room, and then watch it in his own room that night, he'll want to move the media. This is completely opposite of the dual TAPE VCRs that have been hitting the market lately, now THOSE things make corportations shy.
As I said before, these corporations have an interest in keeping this industry alive. That includes tapes and/or media. I believe that the future home system, will be most hampered by the inability to copy purchased movies easily, and to copy time-shifted shows easily as well. This is not much different than what's going on today, and no doubt, in the future there will be devices designed to make copies easily, just like there are today.
There is currently such a large market for VCRs, and Tivo like devices, that most major electronics companies have a vested interest in keeping these products alive. Remember, it doesn't benifit the ones making the electronics, only the ones making the media. Kindof like the whole Hard drive copy protection business.
Further there is no really defined standard for an HDTV recorder. We'll probably have something like the Betamax vs. VCR wars again in this next couple of years. Hopefully the nonproprietary standard will win again, bolstered by consumer confidence. I don't put the lack of VCR like products for HDTV on some conspiracy, but the simple facts that: 1. Extremely few people own a HDTV, so the market is little. 2. These people are probably watching off broadcast anyway, as most HDTV signals aren't really there yet.(There's been more than a few technical problems, and last I heard unless you were sitting on station, it doesn't work all that great.) So they have VCR's. 3. These same people are probably only using the HDTV capabilities to watch their latest DVDs anyways.
Just my $2.00.
I was not stating that Nuclear power was the answer, just that it was AN answer, and probably better than any of those you listed. Did you know, that using conventional wind power arrays, over 1/2 OF THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES would have to be covered to produce enough power?
The word Nuclear brings up too many negative feelings in most people. These feelings HAVE KILLED VIRTUALLY ALL WORTH-WHILE RESEARCH IN FUSION IN THE UNITED STATES. There are some researchers in Canada, and France working on stuff that may make a fully functional fusion power plant possible in the next 20 years(there are some US researchers working on this also, but not as many as Canada and France have looking at it). I doubt there will ever be one constructed in CA.
Enviromentalists are generally so full of it, that they can't see their left shoe from their right. Take Hydro-Electric power. Yes, this was once praised by enviromentalists, till it caused the NEAR EXTINCTION OF SEVERAL TYPES OF FISH. Do you favor the complete distruction of an ecosystem for a few KW of power? There are several promising avenues of power research going on right now, including Orbiting solar arrays, and nuclear fusion. But DESTROYING THE LAND is not the way to go.
Admittanly, there are a few good places where geothermal, wind, and solar power could work. But the true keys here are: superconducter research, nuclear research, orbital research, and conservation research.
(The nearest power plant to me btw, is a nuclear one... But noone seems to really no, or care.)
Would RMS not use a TV because it had software controlling it that was not opensource? What advantage does it give the user to have the sourcecode to the TVs controller? Since the device isn't really reprogrammable, and is an embedded, fixed function device, the actual source license becomes rather meaningless.
But what becomes rather meaningfull, is copyright. If another manufacturer were to reverse engineer, steal code, and then use it in their competing product, the original author of that code would have warrent for complaint. Especially if he didn't get any credit or advantage from the code thiefs.
Point is: the moral arguments used by the FSF against closed source fall out of the window when applied to this type of device. And since a lot of this code is writtin in assembly anyway(or at least that I've seen), in a way, it is already kindof opensource.
People through the word quantum out, and it must mean something great and excellent right? Truth be told, I think this is just another logical progression in technology.
So my side, ho hum... Just like the discovery of new laser types that will supposedly make DVD obsolete last year.
The next release will be approximately 3-4 months after the next Debian is out which includes 2.4. :p
Its supposed to drop bellow 90% this year.
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On October 30, this year, linux will turn 10? 10/30/1993 - Linux Version 0.0.1 released. Sorta cool.
20th Century fox can change its name?
Remember, these aren't your run of the mill desktop CPUs, they are designed for servers that take a considerable load, and can out horse power pretty much anything at home. When you talk about server-rooms, instead of ye old pentium box doing some printer sharing 250watts becomes small.