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Manuka writes: "Win Fabulous Prizes and the recognition of your peers! (well, OK, maybe not the latter). As it's become somewhat of a tradition, tummy.com is now taking bets for the release date of the next production Linux kernel. Congratulations to Bill Wendling who won the pool for 2.4." Hey waitaminute, I don't even have a Slashdot shirt, never mind a VA Polo -- where do you get these?! Of course, Linus has promised a shortening release cycle, so bet accordingly.
Well, you could bug Rob.. I work for GameSpy, and I have tons of stuff .. hats (not limited to GameSpy -- I have Half Life, etc) shirts, mouse pads.. I'm sure that CmdrTaco has a similar stash. (OF CLOTHES! Don't think about dirty stuff.)
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CitizenC
January 13, 2002
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Hell, just to get everyone on the same page, I think the next releases should be numbered as follows...
Kernal 8.0.0
Apache 8.0.0
KDE 8.0.0
Gnome 8.0.0
GCC 8.0.0
Glibc 8.0.0
XFree86 8.0.0
RPM 8.0.0
OpenOffice 8.0.0
KOffice 8.0.0
I'm sure I missed a lot of programs. Just number the next release of anything 8.0.0 to be sure.
Digital Wokan
I wanted to spend 8 years defending the US constitution.
I don't think time_t even supports the year I'm thinking of.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
"Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto"
(I am a man: nothing human is alien to me)
My only political goal is to see to it that no political party achieves its goals.
"With one exception, every prime number is odd"
"2 is an even prime number"
I'm wondering what that exception could be...
Okay... I'll do the stupid things first, then you shy people follow.
Okay... I'll do the stupid things first, then you shy people follow.
[Zappa]
Perhaps Linus is not against odd numbers; he is actually against square numbers. If you drop the "." (which will subsequently cause havoc on the internet, as thousands of people try to access "http://slashorg"), it becomes 25, which is 5^2.
Wait, that's it! Linus must hate the idea of 2.5 because it is 5 -- an odd number -- squared.
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suwain_2
GNU/Linus should start releasing the kernel with numbers behind it with his prediction of when it will be released... GNU/Linux2038 btw, I wouldn't wear a VA shirt if it was the last shirt on earth! Hey, what the hell happened to that stupid Slashdot Troll Wagon they were giving away at LWE?
I never thought it could happen to me... I was so careful... I should have known... I had... WARM BAWLS!
Is that Alan and Linus???? Holy ShiT!!!!!!!!
I disagree. The problem with this is, many of the distributions come out at different times. This can cause mass confusion and purchasing errors. Say the kernel is behind Redhat or Slackware's distributions, many may buy the distribution assuming it has the kernel of the same number, but in reality it won't. I just feel it's more confusing to have similar numbers, especially to new linux users who may be confused by "Redhat version 7.6, kernel 7.4, GCC version 7.6, etc." Too many similar numbers in my opinion.
This should read:
.5 chance to win a night with my mom
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Users aren't stupid.
You've never worked tech support, have you? :)
1st Law Of Networking: Loose ends are bad, termination is good.
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
I expect ext2 will be around for quite some time, and will remain the default on installs for some time.
I don't. I'm expecting that ext3 will be the default filesystem for any install. It's backwards-compatible (old kernels can mount ext3 filesystems as ext2), and eliminates fsck.
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So DON'T READ IT. Or better yet, start your own website and post higher quality stories that relate to your interests. Regardless, you have no right to whine and complain unless you plan on doing something about it.
-atrowe: Card-carrying Mensa member. I have no toleranse for stupidity.
A Google search for the phrase "Finnish Love Machine" finds one match.
I think the point was more rather than rewriting several major parts of the kernel for one release, why not let 2.4 rewrite one major system, then 2.6 rewrite the next, etc. And of course get updated drivers and other nice things along the way. Say 2.4 was released a year ago with all the nice hardware support improvements (USB, card services, PCI changes, anything else I missed), and then 2.6 came out now with all the memory management rewrites? I don't see a downside to that. I never heard complaints about memory management before, but plenty of people wanted USB. So why not cut back on the scale of each release? Targetting for roughly yearly releases sounds reasonable to me.
What's "featuredon"? Ha ha ha, kill me, I'm funny. Seriously, I'm towards the idea that the next version will be 3.0, and it will be "released" "sometime next year". I'm pretty exact, eh?
-- J
There are no 31st in February. Where are you getting at?
.sigs are useless; it doesn't protect you from imposters.
Even though delayed, isn't it already on a shortening release cycle? IIRC, there was a little over 2 1/2 years between 2.0 and 2.2 and there was just under 2 years between 2.2 and 2.4. So its not a huge improvement, but still technically, an improvement.
Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
I don'I don't know much about Tux2, but it seems to me that everything Tux2 offers is already being shown by ReiserFS.
Ow, c'mon. At least you forgot the coolness factor. Tux2 is a "whole new technology", it has to face a patent to a similar system that is probably invalid or at least not applicable to Tux2 (because Tux2's predecessors itself form the prior art), it doesn't have to journal so it comes per definition with less overhead, and it introduces all kind of fluffy terms. Plus it didn't take all kinds of flames to get into the darned kernel (sorry Hans, I know emotions can run high on mailinlists sometimes).
I mean, comparing Tux2 to ReiserFS is like comparing Linux to BSD. They may both validly work in practice, but Linux seems to be the more sexy and to have the buzzword factor.
It's... It's...
"We can confirm that Debian does *not* ship the version with the trojan horse. Our version predates it." [CA-2002-28]
You're calling the Linux *kernel* GNU/ Linux? That's plain filthy, you RMS! There's no GNU code in that thing (yes, it's GPLed, but no part of the GNU project)! And GNU/ Linus? What's that supposed to mean? Were his parents hippies?
Instead, we might rather talk about Linux/ HURD when referring to the HURD by now...
;-)
It's... It's...
"We can confirm that Debian does *not* ship the version with the trojan horse. Our version predates it." [CA-2002-28]
Why not do it like Micros~1? I can see it now:
Linux 2000 release delayed until early 2001....
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your truely evil. I laughed so loud the the security guard from down the hall came to see what was so funny.
if you see me, smile and say hello.
I believe the linux kernel should go up to 11.
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
Most of the hardcore gamers I know would/have take(n) the time to learn how to do things in Linux because they aren't worried about screwing up things. They are fairly compitent about hardware and software interactions, and wouldn't be too thrown off by different methods of doing things in alternate OS's.
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Jordan Bettis
``Wherever you go, there's another stupid sigfile quote.''~~~
/. on Kernel Pool 2.2 (1998! yah!)
This is the kind of reasoning we need if we are ever going to catchup to windows. if it takes a year or so to increment by .2 then it will take 10000 years to get anywhere near 2000.
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Oh really? Is this like the time he said that in 1999 about 2.4? Not bashing or anything, I think Linus should release when he thinks it's ready, I'm just saying that you might want to bet on it (ha ha).
It just means you should add a year to whatever you bet is. (Or to whatever Linus announces as the expected release date)
Go not unto/. for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (but have nothing to do with the question)
Early on in the 2.4 kernel pool, I got e-mail from somone who insisted that the next version would be a new *.0, and cited the 1.2 to 2.0. Of course, now it's easy to criticize. ;-)
If the next release is 69.0, the entries in the kernel pool will be applied to it -- the exact version of the next stable kernel isn't important.
Sean
That the release date shall occur upon the arrival of the next service pack for a Windows operating system
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
Shortly after the release of 2.2, Linus was saying that the development cycle for 2.3 WOULD be very short, and we should be looking for it to be released in around 8 months.
So I placed a vote for around then. My ranking when all was said and done was around 1,100 out of 1,400.
It'd be nice if it were shorter this time, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Sean
Or perhaps "an Itanium plated Box"...
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
lol!
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You probably could make it work by using serial monitors, and redirecting virt terminals to the serial ports....
The kernel should be FS independent, for a very simple reason - different systems have different needs. Some might need maximum integrity. Others could sacrifice SOME integrity if they could get a significantly better throughput. As professionals, we should have the option to choose. Otherwise, we might as well run NT!
Anyhow - I thought the entire opensource philosophy was that there's more than one way to do it?
Stop the brainwash
Didn't ANYBODY watch that show on last night about World Sports Exchange? Basically, three guys founded an online sports gambling startup, in Antigua, just to be safe. Now the US gov considers them criminals on the run from the law!
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
the last interveiw i read with linus said that he was going to think for a bit before releasing the next kernel version. he may be planning to jump straight to version 3.0 next. it seems a touch unlikely to me at least, but who gets the prizes if that happens??
this is a touch sarcastic...
.brad
Drink more tea
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January 5th 2005
I'm betting on two weeks after the next time it's featuredon the vaporware list.... ;-)
S.t.e.v.e.
Better not tell you now...
I say July 2, 2002
=== The price of freedom is eternal vigilance
Ok this is a stetch, But I really think Linux should make the marketing move to 7.0 or even go form 2.4 to 7.6 instead of 2.6 that way it is inline with the variosu distrobutions who are all on 7.0-7.2. I know Slackware got in trouble with this and yea some peopel have problems with it, but ITwould make it far less confusing for the majority of people who are now switching to linux, getting DISTROBUTION X at 7.0 andwonderign why the kernel is only 2.4
we should put the vaporware list on the vaporware list. It has not been delivered to spec, and I doubt it will ever will be. Plus it would be full of recursive sillyness :)
"Let him go, Ralph. He knows what he's doing." --Otto Mann (simpsons)
Perhaps it's just me, but I'd prefer only a slightly shorter release cycle (maybe..1 1/2 years between major versions). This is because I believe it's more efficient to have a few large releases instead of a bunch of them - there's a slower, more complete time to handle bug fixes, and not as much release-preparation done by the developers. Then again a kernel is not as bad as your traditional shrink-wrapped product in terms of marketing, packaging, etc.. but there's still some degree of last-minute preparation that's done. Maybe someone with more experience in how the kernel is released could share their opinion.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
Check here. I can't find a link to the VA Linux shirt, although I'm almost positive I saw one there ..
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CitizenC
Couldn't certain people be in a position to rig this thing? I mean, there are the obvious ones, the few people who directly control the code, but couldn't tactics be used by other contributors to delay the kernel?
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Bob Fucking Costas. Does anyone else hate that motherfucker?
A titanium plated Tux!
--hongpong.com
I would make the date November 20th.
* Hey, just joking about that part! :)
* also, this would not technically be cheating on Mrs. Torvalds, since it would really be me inside the Finnish Love Machine**.
** I don't think anyone has ever put the words "Love," "Machine" and "Finnish" in that particular order before, certainly not in this context.
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
If these trends continue, I'd probably expect to see the next kernel on February 31st, 2001. ;)
> The one thing I want to see between now and 2.6/3.0 is ReiserFS replacing ext2
It sounds likely that ReiserFS will make it into the kernel sometime 2.4.x, perhaps early in the lifecycle. And once one journalling filesystem goes in, the rest will come rather quickly. Quite a bit of the difficulty has been in introducing journalling features into the VFS layer. This is code that will be reused for every journalling-style filesystem implemented.
Also, once ReiserFS becomes stable, it will not necessarily replace ext2fs. I expect ext2 will be around for quite some time, and will remain the default on installs for some time.
--Lenny
- http://linuxquality.sunsite.dk
So far it's just a proposal. In the short term there will be resources on testing strategies, as well as tips on writing quality code. I the long run will come a nice web form for reporting bugs in a way that will be especially meaningful for kernel developers (capturing and searching hardware configuration and kernel config options).Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
-- Could you use my software consulting serv
January 18th, 2038
I sure hope everybody has a 64 bit time_t by then...
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Has anybody got some information on which new features are primarily being worked on in Kernel 2.6? Not only could this help in an estimation of the final date, but also I'm just plain curious =)
priz
I'm not placing my bet until I see what the feature list for the next releases is going to be - let alone what the bug situation with 2.4.0 is!
Think about it - 3.0 could technically arrive next week, if they REALLY wanted it to!
If the past can give any indication as to the future numbering, it will be 2.5, not 2.9. The devel. version numbers from 1.2 to 2.0 were numbered 1.3.x.
Or, we'll have a bunch of 2.5.x kernels, then 2.99.x, then 3.0.0-testx, then 3.0.0-prerelease, and then 3.0.0.
      The real question is what improvements are necesary. I see people coming up with arbitrary figures such as "there should be a new release every 18 months," when the real issue is "what changes will be made and how long will they take"
      The only people who need to follow any given time-frame are companies who want to keep profits rolling in in steady proprtions
Of course, Linus has promised a shortening release cycle, so bet accordingly.
Oh really? Is this like the time he said that in 1999 about 2.4? Not bashing or anything, I think Linus should release when he thinks it's ready, I'm just saying that you might want to bet on it (ha ha).
My other
Sure they lack factors of 2, but they are still numbers. With one exception, every prime number is odd and prime numbers are important. Does Linus Torvals hate prime numbers?
This 'even-numbered' favoritism is surely a sign of some deeply rooted hatred and fear.
Keeping
Well, you may be right, and (separate issue) Linus may agree;)
... the diff. between 2.2 and 2.4 in terms of features (can't speak for performance personally yet, but all I hear is good so far :) ) is really amazing, and that's refreshing. It's craft, pride of workmanship and engineering over marketing, a rare triumph!
.c -- that usb problem was cleared up, and now it's got XFree 4.5 by default."
I hope not, though -- the conservative version numbering system so far employed has demonstrated restraint and non-craven humility
Now it might make sense, as some have suggested, to go straight to 3.0 from here -- ok, that I could live with, it's at least the next integer in line, and "three point oh" does have a nice ring to it. But to take the slackware leap would be ultimately futile -- if Linus calls the next kernel "Linux 7.0" then some distro will busily repackage all their disks with that kernel until they are called "Official DistroName Linux 8.5!"
Maybe some distro (Debian leaps out, for version-numbering reasons) should introduce a 3rd version number or add a letter.
And a conversation like this one could happen:
"Hey, whatcha runnin' there?"
"Debian 2.6"
"Yeah? 2.6.b?"
"No,
Just a thought,
simon
"Hey Carlito, r'membah me? Benny Blanco from the Bronx!"
Lotteries are a tax on people who can't do math.
Does this mean this pool is a tax on people who haven't read "Mythical Man Month"...
marty
PS: yeah, i know you don't pay to enter, go along with the joke...
"I can't buy want I want because it's free. Can't be what they want because I'm me." -Corduroy, Pearl Jam
not true, 2 is an even prime number
then will the devel kernel be called 2.5 or 2.9?
I could probably look up what happened last time...
** I don't think anyone has ever put the words "Love," "Machine" and "Finnish" in that particular order before, certainly not in this context.
A quick Google search shows prior use:
http://members.tripod.co.uk/insasux2/rogues.html
Slashdot monitor for your Mozilla sidebar or Active Desktop.
On the console or in X? it's already available in X (it's called xinerama or something like that).
The kernel supports 2 cards just fine, it just happens to only display stuff using one of them. =)
What about emacs then? ...
They're whey beyond 8.0.0
It's called new wave but it's just the same.
Now see what happens when a stable version of Linux comes out.
if you see me, smile and say hello.
It will probably be 3.0, if 1.2 -> 2.0 is any indication...
Is that part of the pool too? I think it should be included: what version you think it will be, and what release date you think it will be.
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