I can't believe that you are running 1000+ nodes and don't know about WINS. Try buying a book and reading up on WINS.
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True, true, but once you have it you can install it on as many platforms as you like. And, in Suns defense, there are something like 10-15 CD's in the package - I have it and it comes with two full booklets of CD's, plus assorted multi-linugal install manuals, etc. Not a bad deal.
How can there be a perfect system for moderation? Moderation is just that - a moderation of thoughts and desires, really nothing more than a system to balance the will of the masses against the will of the few. That is, letting people read what they want and ignore what they don't vs. being forced to read what they don't want and listen to what they don't like. Too little moderation and the little voices are drowned out by the big guys, too much and the same thing happens. So in that sense, it's really just a great big continuum.
I think that in the end, moderation is really just a personal preference issue and not worth that much effort. None is boring, some helps, but too much is worse. Though I must applaud the efforts going into this, and I do enjoy the debates the issue provokes, maybe instead of looking at it like and trying to build the "perfect" system, we might be content to just call it exploring options or do something more interested. But trying to "perfect" moderation seems silly.
If you read the article, you will notice that while they are shipping Xeon chips at 1 GHz now, they are still unsure as to a time frame on 1 GHz P-IIIs. And this despite the recent "announcement" of 1.13 GHz p-III's. How can you "announce" and "release" a product when you can't even buy the previous generation yet?
Despite quantity shipments of 1 GHz Athlons and Thunderbirds, there is no real way to get a 1 GHz P-III. That makes all of this just another set of smoke and mirrors - Intel takes a few high quality pre-production chips and cranks them up for a demo. Then they ship a very limited quantity of 1 GHz server chips - of course, server chips are better cooled and maintained, are much more expensive, and are ordered in much lower quantities.
So Intel has still failed to answer the real question at hand - can they actually ship a 1 GHz chip for the desktop? Can they capitalize on their market entrenchment, product quality, and technical expertise (all of which are vast, no matter your position) Or have they put too much junk in the trunk, spent too much time optimizing an overloaded, antiquated core, and lost too much technical drive to overcome the AMD challenge? Because right now, these "announcements" and "demos" sound like the last gasp of a dying dinosaur and not sound development from the once-undisputed king of the PC chip world.
With Debian, you merely need to download install disks, and then can install the remainder via whatever network connection you prefer...
Not that this is likely to work too well with a DreamCast unit; I suspect they don't do DSL...
I don't know why this isn't posted as Clueless Newbie, because that was retarded.
This may be the stupidest, most clueless post in recent memory. I pray it's a joke, because this guy has lots of other good posts in recent weeks (barring the bizarre Hitler one). I mean which stupid thought in this post do you attack first? The idea that Debian will run on this thing? Or the question of where one might stick floppies? And as for the DSL bit - of course not, the thing doesn't even have NIC and you know it from your earlier post. Or maybe the joke is the retarded, blind Linux advocacy - "Honey, the toaster is broken!" "Oh, did you try loading RedHat on it?" Or maybe "Dr., I have an itching, burning sensation when I urinate." "Try open source. It's the community model you know - cathedral and the bazaar and all that. Good for the kidneys."
This must be a joke. But a bizarre and poorly executed one.
I have been looking at using the KarlNet software for this, but I was unaware that anyone had actually gotten it working. Have you actually succeeded using this method?
The article says that nVidia will be doing the OpenGL support for the XBox. I can't remember and perhaps someone can elucidate for me - is nVidia the really good company with OpenGL or the really bad one?
I seem to remember that nVidia is really bad with OpenGL. It seems to me that this will kind of force the hand of developers to DirectX 8. And that may or may not be a bad thing - if DirectX 8 is better tuned to the hardware, it could be better, but it probably reduces code portability.
Interesing points you make. Sorry you didn't have cable growing up. I guess no one should. I guess that you have decided what things people should buy and what they shouldn't. So people who live in a project should spend their money on project housing improvements, and have no right to watch TV.
But the whole point is moot. The point is: at this point in time, is it fair to make and expect people to purchase PC's and maintain internet access to access gov't services. It just doesn't seem fair to tell the US that you all have to have access to a computer, or you don't get served. Live in a remote area? Computer too expensive? Not computer literate? Too bad, you don't get access, all in the name of technology.
why, is there something wrong with something intelligent coming from a rapper's mouth? what part of the fact that Chuck D. said it invalidates my comment, or makes it something that i shouldn't reveal?
Yeah, Jon, that is a great sounding idea. The only issue is, how do we propose to remedy the digital divide that will separate the predominantly suburban, middle and upper class families with home computers from the poor inner city ones that don't generally have them?
It seems to me that the people who most need access to gov't services won't be any better served by this remedy. I mean, yes, it would be nice to renew your license online, but food stamps, welfare checks, etc.? Do we want to make it any more complicated or difficult or challenging for people to get to these services?
Let's face it: the digital revolution embraces those with the wealth and education to utilize it. Making these services electronic threatens to further cut off those at an economic and educational disadvantage.
Now, this shouldn't mean that we don't eventually do it. But let's make sure that people have universal access and training before we start making life more difficult for those who have enough problems already.
I think Chuck D. sums it up best : "There are gonna be a lot of people picking electronic cotton and digging digital ditches."
I use the office assistant all the time. Not for help, generally, but as a cute little dude who hangs out on my desktop.
Those Office 97 assistants stunk, but the new ones 2000 are pretty cool. I like how he jumps around on my screen and reacts when i send an e-mail. I use the robot one, but my friends use the earth one, the cat, or the dog.
Of course, I am a trained NT/Unix/Mac admin, who's also a network admin and security consultant. So I don't click on those "unknown" files.
I wish that people would stop making comments like "that's so stupid" or "this is so dumb" I mean, really, leaving the little guy on your desktop is no dumber than using vi or emacs or AmiPro or AbiWord or KWord or anything else. It's just a personal preference, right?
Or don't you use man(1)? Anyone who uses that instead of just reading the source is a retard:0!!
Okay, I am little confused here, so I hope that Bruce Perens or someone who understands the issue a little bit better than me can clarify, but...
Section 2, Part B of the GPL reads: b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
If they incorporated GPL code into their driver, then distributed, then the rest of the driver is automatically under the GPL, correct? That is, since GPL is infectious, the entire driver is then supposed to be released under the GPL. That is the agreement that one signs when you use GPL'ed code in your software.
So, since the driver is infected, doesn't this mean that we can demand the source code to the nVidia driver? It seems to me that redistributing modified GPL code means that you agree to the original GPL.
It just seems to me that pulling the driver and redistributing is not enough. Once it is out there, they are bound by the terms of the GPL, and should have to give us the source code to the Beta that they released. This is similar to the issue with Be and Bruce several weeks ago - just fixing the problem doesn't exempt them from the past violation and the old terms still apply.
The most important paradigm shift of the digital age is the transition from an information-scarce system to a services-scarce system. Gnutella and Freenet are the next step in that revolution.
What traditional media companies realize all too well is that once any piece of information is transferred to a digital format, it becomes impossible to limit its availablity. The best way to make money is to provide a service on top of it, so that people pay you for adding value. The information is abundant, its the collection, interpretation, and presentation that are limited.
Gnutella is another step toward free information. Companies like IBM will be winners, while the RIAA and the MPAA will be losers unless they start to justify their skimming off the top.
I'm impressed by the folks at Handspring, and I think they have a really good product, but I have to wonder about the IPO bit. Those who saw Caldera's IPO a couple of weeks ago probably noticed that it was less impressive. ... I'm not entirely certain that becoming publicly traded carries the same amount of glitz and glamour that it did a year or two ago.
I don't think that this is a question of glitz and glamour, or even a question of the relative value of handspring. I think that the market is just going sour on IPOs b/c of market pressures.
The announcement the other day that US GDP was up 7.8% in the fourth quarter is going to pretty much guarantee that Greenspan will raise rates 2-4 more times this year. As a result, the market has gone haywire over the past few days, as people are reluctant to hold tech stocks at any price. So, even though companies are growing and the economy is booming, the market is suffering b/c of long term predictions.
That being said, this doesn't make the IPO necessarily a bad idea. If this is nothing more than a get rich quick scheme, then you are in trouble. If you need to raise capital on a large scale, however, this is the way to do it. And don't forget that companies with solid fundamentals and a hotly-demanded product are still doing well, like IBM and Cisco. At the same time, don't think that prices will go through the roof as frequently anymore, because the market has the fear of Greenspan in them.
So, all in all, a sound business move, and probably not an extraordinary event.
This is a summary of all the comments at level 1 and below, so that everyone browsing at +2 can get an abstract.
1.) M$ is evil. 2.) MicroShaft will never win. 3.) This program sucks. Release it under the GPL. 4.) Hot grits! 5.) The GPL sucks. Use a BSD-style license instead. 6.) This is not news. We had this running years ago on my old system using a packaged version of and a box of . 7.) Natalie Portman! Hot Grits! 8.) Slashdot sucks now. I remember when the stories where written in C and posted in binary, so you had to disassemble before you could read. 9.) 3y3 0wN j00r b0x! 10.) This is old news. Macs have had this for years. 11.) Damn linux heads! You just hate MS b/c you are jealous. MS Roolz! By the way, can someone teach me how to make a "boot disk"? 12.) This is old news. This was invented at Xerox-PARC. 13.) Too bad Amazon already has a patent! 14.) I hate Jon Katz. 15.) This is old news. This was invented by von Neumann and Turing in 1943. Read Cryptonomicon. 16.) Hot grits! In my pants!
Why should we be angry about this? Microsoft is conceding that people run other operating systems, and that their product fits well in a window. By endorsing a product that puts theirs in a window, they admit that you might make other choices for your underlying system. Essentially, this is an admission of an inferior product - people can now get the Windows functionality without the penalties of actually running windows.
And once we get people to run Windows in a Window, it becomes easier to open people up to completely different alternatives w/o legacy support.
Besides, why would a natural reaction to good news for a successful product that many power users use make people "angry". Do the story posters have to be so anti-MS?
..you can connect more than two damned devices to the chain. Currently, ATA is limited, at least in practice, to two devices per chain, making the 66 megabyte/second transfer rate grossly underutilized.
If you can't connect a reasonable number of devices to a serial ATA chain (like, oh, 15, for instance?) it sounds to me like more hype than substance.
Did you read the article? Right there on the page it says that this is not a chained architecture. Perhaps you meant support for more than two devices in the machine, but I don't think so.
Before jumping in with knee-jerk responses that are nothing more than pseudo-technical uninformed gobbledy-gook, try reading the article that the post is about.
Lest you people forget, there was a horrific accident some months ago when developers tried to code Q uake in Java. Please do not make the same mistakes.
Ha ha! Nothing funnier than hundreds of dead and wounded innocent people in a remote part of the world! Look at those poor people! What a great joke!!!
Thank god you wrote that. I read that story, and I immediately clicked to check if someone else had written something, or I would have written myself.
What a bonehead statement. It reminds me of that Dilbert where the PHB tells Dilbert that they need a new SQL server, and test his boss out, Dilbert asks him "What color should we get."
When you begin banning opinions and start waiving special protections for certain groups, you're giving people a reason to hate MORE.
Wrong. There is never, ever, ever a valid reason to hate someone. You might disagree, or oppose them, or even violently oppose them because they rely on violence. But you must never allow yourself to hate.
Once you have begun to hate and become violent against your opposition, you become that which you oppose so much. Hating racists, bigots, or those who hold unpopular opinions makes you just as morally corrupt.
While I understand your argument, and I agree with 75% of it, I cannot agree with providing a justification of hate, for hatred is never justified. Just ask Gandhi, Martin Luther King, or even Malcolm X in his final days.
We must not surrender to hate, even in the face of irreconcilable hatred.
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I can't believe that you are running 1000+ nodes and don't know about WINS. Try buying a book and reading up on WINS.
True, true, but once you have it you can install it on as many platforms as you like. And, in Suns defense, there are something like 10-15 CD's in the package - I have it and it comes with two full booklets of CD's, plus assorted multi-linugal install manuals, etc. Not a bad deal.
Or nothing at all, since Solaris is now free for less than 8 processors.
How can there be a perfect system for moderation? Moderation is just that - a moderation of thoughts and desires, really nothing more than a system to balance the will of the masses against the will of the few. That is, letting people read what they want and ignore what they don't vs. being forced to read what they don't want and listen to what they don't like. Too little moderation and the little voices are drowned out by the big guys, too much and the same thing happens. So in that sense, it's really just a great big continuum.
I think that in the end, moderation is really just a personal preference issue and not worth that much effort. None is boring, some helps, but too much is worse. Though I must applaud the efforts going into this, and I do enjoy the debates the issue provokes, maybe instead of looking at it like and trying to build the "perfect" system, we might be content to just call it exploring options or do something more interested. But trying to "perfect" moderation seems silly.
I cannot believe how funny that comment is.
If you read the article, you will notice that while they are shipping Xeon chips at 1 GHz now, they are still unsure as to a time frame on 1 GHz P-IIIs. And this despite the recent "announcement" of 1.13 GHz p-III's. How can you "announce" and "release" a product when you can't even buy the previous generation yet?
Despite quantity shipments of 1 GHz Athlons and Thunderbirds, there is no real way to get a 1 GHz P-III. That makes all of this just another set of smoke and mirrors - Intel takes a few high quality pre-production chips and cranks them up for a demo. Then they ship a very limited quantity of 1 GHz server chips - of course, server chips are better cooled and maintained, are much more expensive, and are ordered in much lower quantities.
So Intel has still failed to answer the real question at hand - can they actually ship a 1 GHz chip for the desktop? Can they capitalize on their market entrenchment, product quality, and technical expertise (all of which are vast, no matter your position) Or have they put too much junk in the trunk, spent too much time optimizing an overloaded, antiquated core, and lost too much technical drive to overcome the AMD challenge? Because right now, these "announcements" and "demos" sound like the last gasp of a dying dinosaur and not sound development from the once-undisputed king of the PC chip world.
With Debian, you merely need to download install disks, and then can install the remainder via whatever network connection you prefer...
Not that this is likely to work too well with a DreamCast unit; I suspect they don't do DSL...
I don't know why this isn't posted as Clueless Newbie, because that was retarded.
This may be the stupidest, most clueless post in recent memory. I pray it's a joke, because this guy has lots of other good posts in recent weeks (barring the bizarre Hitler one). I mean which stupid thought in this post do you attack first? The idea that Debian will run on this thing? Or the question of where one might stick floppies? And as for the DSL bit - of course not, the thing doesn't even have NIC and you know it from your earlier post. Or maybe the joke is the retarded, blind Linux advocacy - "Honey, the toaster is broken!" "Oh, did you try loading RedHat on it?" Or maybe "Dr., I have an itching, burning sensation when I urinate." "Try open source. It's the community model you know - cathedral and the bazaar and all that. Good for the kidneys."
This must be a joke. But a bizarre and poorly executed one.
I have been looking at using the KarlNet software for this, but I was unaware that anyone had actually gotten it working. Have you actually succeeded using this method?
The article says that nVidia will be doing the OpenGL support for the XBox. I can't remember and perhaps someone can elucidate for me - is nVidia the really good company with OpenGL or the really bad one?
I seem to remember that nVidia is really bad with OpenGL. It seems to me that this will kind of force the hand of developers to DirectX 8. And that may or may not be a bad thing - if DirectX 8 is better tuned to the hardware, it could be better, but it probably reduces code portability.
Interesing points you make. Sorry you didn't have cable growing up. I guess no one should. I guess that you have decided what things people should buy and what they shouldn't. So people who live in a project should spend their money on project housing improvements, and have no right to watch TV.
But the whole point is moot. The point is: at this point in time, is it fair to make and expect people to purchase PC's and maintain internet access to access gov't services. It just doesn't seem fair to tell the US that you all have to have access to a computer, or you don't get served. Live in a remote area? Computer too expensive? Not computer literate? Too bad, you don't get access, all in the name of technology.
why, is there something wrong with something intelligent coming from a rapper's mouth? what part of the fact that Chuck D. said it invalidates my comment, or makes it something that i shouldn't reveal?
Yeah, Jon, that is a great sounding idea. The only issue is, how do we propose to remedy the digital divide that will separate the predominantly suburban, middle and upper class families with home computers from the poor inner city ones that don't generally have them?
It seems to me that the people who most need access to gov't services won't be any better served by this remedy. I mean, yes, it would be nice to renew your license online, but food stamps, welfare checks, etc.? Do we want to make it any more complicated or difficult or challenging for people to get to these services?
Let's face it: the digital revolution embraces those with the wealth and education to utilize it. Making these services electronic threatens to further cut off those at an economic and educational disadvantage.
Now, this shouldn't mean that we don't eventually do it. But let's make sure that people have universal access and training before we start making life more difficult for those who have enough problems already.
I think Chuck D. sums it up best : "There are gonna be a lot of people picking electronic cotton and digging digital ditches."
I use the office assistant all the time. Not for help, generally, but as a cute little dude who hangs out on my desktop.
:0!!
Those Office 97 assistants stunk, but the new ones 2000 are pretty cool. I like how he jumps around on my screen and reacts when i send an e-mail. I use the robot one, but my friends use the earth one, the cat, or the dog.
Of course, I am a trained NT/Unix/Mac admin, who's also a network admin and security consultant. So I don't click on those "unknown" files.
I wish that people would stop making comments like "that's so stupid" or "this is so dumb" I mean, really, leaving the little guy on your desktop is no dumber than using vi or emacs or AmiPro or AbiWord or KWord or anything else. It's just a personal preference, right?
Or don't you use man(1)? Anyone who uses that instead of just reading the source is a retard
Okay, I am little confused here, so I hope that Bruce Perens or someone who understands the issue a little bit better than me can clarify, but...
Section 2, Part B of the GPL reads:
b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.
If they incorporated GPL code into their driver, then distributed, then the rest of the driver is automatically under the GPL, correct? That is, since GPL is infectious, the entire driver is then supposed to be released under the GPL. That is the agreement that one signs when you use GPL'ed code in your software.
So, since the driver is infected, doesn't this mean that we can demand the source code to the nVidia driver? It seems to me that redistributing modified GPL code means that you agree to the original GPL.
It just seems to me that pulling the driver and redistributing is not enough. Once it is out there, they are bound by the terms of the GPL, and should have to give us the source code to the Beta that they released. This is similar to the issue with Be and Bruce several weeks ago - just fixing the problem doesn't exempt them from the past violation and the old terms still apply.
Does anyone else see this the way that I do?
The most important paradigm shift of the digital age is the transition from an information-scarce system to a services-scarce system. Gnutella and Freenet are the next step in that revolution.
What traditional media companies realize all too well is that once any piece of information is transferred to a digital format, it becomes impossible to limit its availablity. The best way to make money is to provide a service on top of it, so that people pay you for adding value. The information is abundant, its the collection, interpretation, and presentation that are limited.
Gnutella is another step toward free information. Companies like IBM will be winners, while the RIAA and the MPAA will be losers unless they start to justify their skimming off the top.
I'm impressed by the folks at Handspring, and I think they have a really good product, but I have to wonder about the IPO bit. Those who saw Caldera's IPO a couple of weeks ago probably noticed that it was less impressive.
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I'm not entirely certain that becoming publicly traded carries the same amount of glitz and glamour that it did a year or two ago.
I don't think that this is a question of glitz and glamour, or even a question of the relative value of handspring. I think that the market is just going sour on IPOs b/c of market pressures.
The announcement the other day that US GDP was up 7.8% in the fourth quarter is going to pretty much guarantee that Greenspan will raise rates 2-4 more times this year. As a result, the market has gone haywire over the past few days, as people are reluctant to hold tech stocks at any price. So, even though companies are growing and the economy is booming, the market is suffering b/c of long term predictions.
That being said, this doesn't make the IPO necessarily a bad idea. If this is nothing more than a get rich quick scheme, then you are in trouble. If you need to raise capital on a large scale, however, this is the way to do it. And don't forget that companies with solid fundamentals and a hotly-demanded product are still doing well, like IBM and Cisco. At the same time, don't think that prices will go through the roof as frequently anymore, because the market has the fear of Greenspan in them.
So, all in all, a sound business move, and probably not an extraordinary event.
having been moderated up 1 to Funny, and then down 1 to for Troll, i seem to have learned my lesson:
moderators suck. fucking humorless assholes.
your comment is too cranky and whiny too be worthy of a more intelligent response
This is a summary of all the comments at level 1 and below, so that everyone browsing at +2 can get an abstract.
1.) M$ is evil.
2.) MicroShaft will never win.
3.) This program sucks. Release it under the GPL.
4.) Hot grits!
5.) The GPL sucks. Use a BSD-style license instead.
6.) This is not news. We had this running years ago on my old system using a packaged version of and a box of .
7.) Natalie Portman! Hot Grits!
8.) Slashdot sucks now. I remember when the stories where written in C and posted in binary, so you had to disassemble before you could read.
9.) 3y3 0wN j00r b0x!
10.) This is old news. Macs have had this for years.
11.) Damn linux heads! You just hate MS b/c you are jealous. MS Roolz! By the way, can someone teach me how to make a "boot disk"?
12.) This is old news. This was invented at Xerox-PARC.
13.) Too bad Amazon already has a patent!
14.) I hate Jon Katz.
15.) This is old news. This was invented by von Neumann and Turing in 1943. Read Cryptonomicon.
16.) Hot grits! In my pants!
Why should we be angry about this? Microsoft is conceding that people run other operating systems, and that their product fits well in a window. By endorsing a product that puts theirs in a window, they admit that you might make other choices for your underlying system. Essentially, this is an admission of an inferior product - people can now get the Windows functionality without the penalties of actually running windows.
And once we get people to run Windows in a Window, it becomes easier to open people up to completely different alternatives w/o legacy support.
Besides, why would a natural reaction to good news for a successful product that many power users use make people "angry". Do the story posters have to be so anti-MS?
I'm here and I don't even run BSD!!
Do use OpenSSH, though. Thanks, Theo.
tkr
..you can connect more than two damned devices to the chain. Currently, ATA is limited, at least in practice, to two devices per chain, making the 66 megabyte/second transfer rate grossly underutilized.
If you can't connect a reasonable number of devices to a serial ATA chain (like, oh, 15, for instance?) it sounds to me like more hype than substance.
Did you read the article? Right there on the page it says that this is not a chained architecture. Perhaps you meant support for more than two devices in the machine, but I don't think so.
Before jumping in with knee-jerk responses that are nothing more than pseudo-technical uninformed gobbledy-gook, try reading the article that the post is about.
Lest you people forget, there was a horrific accident some months ago when developers tried to code Q uake in Java. Please do not make the same mistakes.
Ha ha! Nothing funnier than hundreds of dead and wounded innocent people in a remote part of the world! Look at those poor people! What a great joke!!!
Thank god you wrote that. I read that story, and I immediately clicked to check if someone else had written something, or I would have written myself.
What a bonehead statement. It reminds me of that Dilbert where the PHB tells Dilbert that they need a new SQL server, and test his boss out, Dilbert asks him "What color should we get."
PHB replies "I think mauve has the most RAM."
Not too far from the present situation.
When you begin banning opinions and start waiving special protections for certain groups, you're giving people a reason to hate MORE.
Wrong. There is never, ever, ever a valid reason to hate someone. You might disagree, or oppose them, or even violently oppose them because they rely on violence. But you must never allow yourself to hate.
Once you have begun to hate and become violent against your opposition, you become that which you oppose so much. Hating racists, bigots, or those who hold unpopular opinions makes you just as morally corrupt.
While I understand your argument, and I agree with 75% of it, I cannot agree with providing a justification of hate, for hatred is never justified. Just ask Gandhi, Martin Luther King, or even Malcolm X in his final days.
We must not surrender to hate, even in the face of irreconcilable hatred.