Whatâ(TM)s being discussed again? Kicking out and ostracizing someone and keeping their contributed code, against their wishes? You guys really think that's a moral or ethical thing to do?
Forfeiture as a punishment is an ancient tradition. Some concept of it can be found in every society. But even if this werr not the case, you agreed to license your code in a way you could not take back.
The right to ostracize someone and keep and continue benefitting from their volunteered work is not something an ethical person would fight for.
An ethical person wouldn't defend the concept of extorting a society just so you can continue to drag shit down and ruin everything for everyone, but hey, here you are.
I think you're overestimating most of them, on one specific point. They don't think they're deciding who contributes. They have no concept of just how many people they drive away, just because not doing things they love is preferable to dealing with them. They're that repugnant, and they have no clue.
That's not to excuse them. Because really, nobody has any excuse for not knowing this. Not just because the shit they pull is that obvious, but because so many of them have experienced close analogues to it from the other side. They should understand better than anyone what this does to people -what it did to them- yet they can't be arsed not to do it to others, because they just don't want to think about what they do for the few moments it takes to understand. They're negligent, not innocent; even their cluelessness is all their fault.
Hey, insight is insight. Meritocracy doesn't care who says it.
While you are throwing insults you MIGHT want to read the festering SJW shitshow they are trying to shove on Linux, which is racist and sexist as fuck with an explicit stated goal to get rid of meritoracy and instead base contributions on how high you rank in the Oppression Olympics...yeah because developing extremely complex kernel code should be based on what your skin color is and whether you are a hufflepuff (no shit the one heading this bunch of whack-a-doodles calls herself a hufflepuff) not whether you can ACTUALLY WRITE GOOD FUCKING CODE.
So I went and read it, just as how you asked. Funny; it doesn't even mention meritocracy, or anything else you mentioned in the previous paragraph. The wider site does, and this is concerning, but it didn't infect the code they wrote.
And ya wonder why more and more are looking at the SJW movement and the regressives and going "Yeah can't stand the right....but at least they aren't batshit like these nutters, think I'll switch".
Oh, is this that fake Russian "walk away" thing again? Yeah, I noticed that. But in terms of people actually moving, almosylt all of what I'm seeing is people realizing that for all the SJWs' flaws -and there are many- they'd still rather be around the SJWs than you.
I mean for fucks sake who gives a single flying flipping fuck (other than regressives because ALL they care about is being racist sexist fucks) what color someone writing KERNEL CODE is?
You do, apparently.
that is the nice thing about meritoracy, cream rises to the top, shit gets flushed like it should.
And that's what's happening here: shit is getting flushed. You can't get away with it anymore, so I suggest you grow up before youbget replaced.
Be be sure to screaming "INCELS" and "Muh FEE FEES!" at the top of your lungs and call everyone an "IST!"
The only term I've used here is incels, and that's what you call yourselves. If you want me to use my preferred names for your kind, we can talk, but I think you'll find them much worse than anything ending in "ist". Unlike SJWs, I don't assume anything about your motives, because I don't especially care what your motives are. I don't care who you are, or what you think, or what you have; I care what you do. And what you do is unacceptable, no matter how good your code is. You've squandered the value of your code, and then some, on childish bullshit; you're deadweight, dragging the whole community down just so you don't have to stop hooting and howling and throwing shit at random. You took advantage of a community that didn't reject anyone, but those others who rejected you throughout you life? They were right. And the proof of that is how fast people are jumping at the chance to legitimize giving you the boot. No one wants you around. No one ever did. And it's all your fault.
Examples? One obscure troll's nest dying is insufficient evidence of much at all. If they couldn't survive losing the creepers, then perhaps that's why no one misses it.
Replaced with what? Talentless virtue signalers and diversity hires?
There will probably be a little in the beginning. They'll be sorted out pretty quickly. You've set the bar for quality quite high, no doubt about it; your problem came from the assumption that no one else could ever meet it. You are not Linus Torvalds or Richard Stalllman or Fabrice Bellard; hell, you probably aren't even Julian Assange.
Enough is enough. Nobody has a natural right to force themselves and their views on any community without expecting blowback for it.
Of course not. Neither do you, and here comes the long-overdue blowback. Because here's the real secret: no one ever wanted you around. You were tolerated, barely, once someone found a way to make you useful, but enough is enough. Your abuse of these communities will not be tolerated longer.
And even then, really, you're getting more mercy than you deserve, because you're being offered one last chance to just grow the fuck up like you were supposed to do years ago. You are not being forced into this agreement, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else gives you any right to stay.
No outsider has a natural right to 'replace' anybody either.
Of course not. But in the same vein, no insider has a natural right to not be replaced. You drag everything down, you get jettisoned before everything sinks.
Here's the lovely thing about all this: no, they won't be laughed out of court. It's an interesting argument either way...
Not really. "GPLv2 doesn't use the magic words to say we can't not allow you to use the code anymore" is sovereign-citizen-level crap. You're playing Calvinball with contract law, and you'll be greeted with the same attitude as others who do that. If you even get past the first hearing I'll be shocked.
and one must accept that Stallman is an open source fanatic and isn't going to willingly put forth a position that could harm that movement.
Oh, I think that's exactly right. He wouldn't make a decision to hurt the movement. This is merely a recognition that you're a strong net-negative to the movement: your creepy bullshit does more harm than your code helps. Too many good people leave because of you, and that has to end.
The best part though is that computers don't give a rat's ass about your feelings. The talentless gender fluid attention whores who started all this are utterly incapable of maintaining a world class operating system, and they're going to learn that when they try.
Some of them probably will. And they'll be replaced too, probably much faster than you were, and life will go on. And others will come, but not people like you.
But I don't think most of the initial chaos will go that way. Most, I imagine, will turn out to be perhaps a little slower than you, but not enough to be any real hindrance. And the benefits to the community of not having to put up with you anymore will far outweigh any value the slight speed boost might have provided. See, as much as you set the bar for code quality quite high, you set the bar for decent behavior quite low (some would argue you prevented a bar from being erected). Anr now, pretty much anyone who doesn't shit all over everything will make for better company than you.
Also, these people you seem to think have no right to exist unless they choose to conform to your expectations are going to go get together elsewhere and produce something superior and they are going to make sure that the likes of you can never get anywhere near it.
What are you going to do, get Vladimir Putin as your BDFL? Your kind may actually have enough people to create the pieces, but people like you need charismatic leaders and strongmen to keep you working together, and these, you lack. You won't get past the second beta before everything disintegrates.
It's like this. There are people in the community you never really wanted around, because they refuse to act like people, but you had to tolerate them because Ostracism Is Evil. And they dragged shit down and ruined things for everyone, kind of like the bullies told you back in school, but because of that you find yourself empathizing with them, so you try to find some way to at least make them useful. Who knows? Maybe if they felt valued they'd finally grow; isn't that how self-esteem is supposed to work?
But it didn't. All it did was make them thing they were irreplaceable and indispensable, and that meant they found a place where they didn't have to do all those things they didn't want them to do -things like, you know, acting like people- and they got worse, not better. And good people started leaving, because that was preferable to putting up with this shit any longer, and then they judged you for continuing to enable these creeps.
And your patience has run out. You're not going to put up with their abuse of your social largesse anymore. And that scares them to death, because they know there's nobody else: every other social group cast them out before they found you, and there won't be any others: they refuse to meet any bar other than "no bar".
That leaves them with four options: convince you to keep them in, force you to keep them in, go back ro being outcasts, or finally meet those developmental milestones they've been refusing to cross. Making shit up about the opposition is Option 1: "genitals matter more than code" and similar idiocy. Threatening to withdraw easily-replaceable code is Option 2: rescinding licenses as though it couldn't be pulled from elsewhere and adapted, or if worse came to worst just rewritten, within a year or two.
Honestly, I say just let them have their code. It can be replaced, only slightly less easily than they can. Demonstrating this to them would be a powerful lesson.
Unlikely. The argument that the GPL2's no-recission clause lacks the word "recission" is laughably weak. The incels will be laughed out of court, and no one will miss them when they are gone.
And there is a way for them to escape this. All they have to do is grow up. But they won't, not because they can't, but because they just don't want to. That's all it is. And that is why they are being replaced.
Not really. All it'll do is drive away people who think their "contributions" are a license not to act like a personm They wind up doing more harm than good in the end anyway, so this is no big loss. No one will miss them when they're gone.
I say let them pull their code. It'll hurt for a year -maybe two- while their code gets replaced. But in the long term, it will be a good lesson to them and the community: these creeps were never indispensable, never irreplaceable. Sure it's painful, but when people drag shit down as much as they do, replacing them is still worthwhile.
Law enforcement officers who work on child-pornography cases have their own specialized therapists. There's even a name for the stuff they face: Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder (STSD), brought on by repeatedly witnessing events that traumatize people.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if many Facebook mods needed this same kind of treatment, given the stuff they have to deal with. Hell; some Slashdot mods could probably use it.
Right... so if you are an exec of Burger King, getting fired then finding work as a restaurant team leader at McDonald is not "destroying a career", and thinking otherwise is a fabrication. The scope of his downfall is similar.
It's hilarious to see a far-left jackass like you calling me a liberal.
It's even more hilarious watching you reduced to a screeching wreck who can't even keep his original line of argument going and has to pretend to switch teams. I wonder if your mommy heard you.
We've already established that I am not a liberal, or even centrist. Most liberals would frankly be horrified by my reasoning: I go against the underlying philosophies on which a lot of their platform depends just to make any semblance of sense. Just because I happen to agree with liberals on this particular issue doesn't make me one of them.
Right. So having faith in the superiority of the white race is a reflection of your lived experience, ergo being a white supremacist isn't something you can change. I love your logic!
No religion has preached this in over a hundred years. The thing about religion is that it can't be falsified: this is part of what makes it fundamentally different from science, but also punts it into the realm of identity rather than opinion. Contrast this with the superiority of any race over another, which is not only easy but nearly trivial to debunk. That's where its invalidity comes from.
You're the only retard talking about killing or enslaving anyone..
You started talking about it the moment you admitted to being a white supremacist. That's what it is; the whole platform is defined by this single obsession, according to your own thinkers.
which is why it's obvious that despite your protestations you are in fact a far-left SJW.
I don't have any problem with the idea of a just society, it's SJWs I can't stand. Their whole definition of justice is warped, inconsistent, and incomplete, and that poisons everything going forward from those definitions. If they actually started from some sound philosophy they'd be quite benign, though they'd also look quite different from the way they do today.
They'd still be ostracizing the hell out of you, though. Just like everyone else. You ruin things for everyone, SJW or otherwise, and this is why no one wants you around.
Reasonable people do not go from "I won't make that cake" to "urhmaghurd you wants ta commit genocides!!!1!1".
Reasonable people don't believe in racial supremacy. Reasonable people also don't get their current events mixed up like you just did; the cake shop case wasn't about race. I mean, we'd already established you're a troll, but seriously, can't you put at least some effort into it?
Thanks for coming out, I think we're done here.
You're the one who ragequit, dude. The win goes to me.
So you're saying it would be fine for me to come to your favorite sites to preach the beauty of interracial love, complete with vast quantities of multimedia visual aids? Great. Just let me grab some of my buds and fire up the special automated teaching assistants, and we'll get this party started.
You should be used to this by now. No one wants you around, so you find a community that doesn't understand what you are, take advantage of their hospitality, ruin it for everyone, and no one wants you around again. What's one more trip through the cycle? Or you could end it, by actually making the change and growing the fuck up, but of courseyou don't want to do that.
Failing that, build your own community. You've got everything you need for that. No one will stop you from leaving, and no one will miss you when you're gone. You may run into some trouble growing your community when no one wants to be around you, but so what? You should be used to this by now.
Oh, now you try to turn liberal on me? I am not impressed. "Plotting to kill millions of people" is not a valid identity. The same people who first taught you this technique also would have taught you that very carefully, and I suppose it should come as no surprise that you failed both lessons.
Ancestry isn't a choice. Gender isn't a choice. I'd argue that even religion isn't really a choice: a faith either reflects your lived experience or it doesn't, and your lived experience isn't really something you can change. Something similar can be said of political affiliation.
Plotting to enslave or kill millions of people, though? That's a choice. The fact that your plot attempts (poorly) to disguise itself as a political affiliation is irrelevant. Everyone sees through it; you can't hide. Evil demands expression and deserves punishment, and that's exactly what's happening.
When's the last time you heard a liberal claiming someone should be ostracized?
5 minutes ago?
It's funny; very few of the liberals I see calling for anything remotely related to ostracism are willing to admit that it's ostracism. Those kinds of mental gymnastics are one of the big reasons I'm not a liberal. But for now, my goals and theirs happen to align on this issue, and it would be foolish not to work with them on that.
Hell, ostracising is the least evil thing they call for; it's certainly a lot less harmful than calling for people to be fired, assaulted, harrased, etc.
Firing is a legitimate part of legitimate ostracism. Nobody wants you ariund, so they avoid you; when you muscle or swindle your way in anyway, they kick you out. As long as the ostracism itself is legitimate -i.e. based on what you do, not who you are- then so are the firings. Like the song goes, you don't lose your fucking job until you're spotted in the mob.
Assaults and harassment are not legitimate ostracism. This is true. Their legitimacy comes from something else entirely: you're in the early stages of trying to kill these people, and they do not have to wait for the punch to land. It's legitimate self-defense, plain and simple. I've got no objection to that.
Personally, I prefer to focus on the ostracism, because you've demonstrated that you're more afraid of being ostracized than you are of being hurt. Self-defense has its place, but it only affects a small number of people for a short time, so it can't be the only tactic in play. Fear, though, now that's effective over large groups and long times. The main thrust should be where it'll do the most good.
Me? Liberal? That's a laugh. When's the last time you heard a liberal claiming someone should be ostracized? They're big on the ostracism-is-evil stuff: you know, the same principle you exploited when you ignored everyone at school telling you that you needed to grow? You gamed that system in exactly the way conservatives warned that it would be gamed. Nope. I am no liberal, saying we need to validate everyone's feelings: invalid feelings exist, and yours are the most invalid, and unlike a liberal I'll say it to your face. I don't claim all perspectives are equally true: there are false viewpoints, and yours is the most false.
What makes ostracism legitimate is that it's based on what you do, not on who you are. I question the idea that Jim Crow can be described as ostracism by any reasonable person, but even if it could be, it wouldn't be legitimate ostracism, because it was based on identity, not actions. Contrast this with your own ostracism, which is based on your continued material support for genocidal maniacs. I'm not going to say you could change this anytime you want -these things take time; I get that- but you could start the process anytime you want. And so the people who would be targeted by the genocidal maniacs -i.e. anyone but themselves- are right to defend themselves by casting you out.
I understand only too well that growing up is not a pleasant thing to do. You delayed your development as a person because you just didn't want to do what it took, but you are far from alone in that. Nevertheless, it has to be done. And if you will not do it willingly, society will compel it.
Oh, it's dangerous all right. You know what's more dangerous than corporations regulating their own content? Literally anyone else doing it for them.
You are not being censored. You are being ostracized. No one wants you around, and no one will miss you when you are gone. If you don't like this, you can change it. All you have to do is change.
There's literally no reason to expect that this investigation should be over in a paltry 18 months. No credible investigation of a figure as public as the President has ever been over nearly that quickly, whether or not it found anything. These things take time.
Liberals generally do have some severe problems when it comes to holding their own to different standards than their opposition (or, when that isn't feasible, changing the standard in self-serving ways). But so far, this has not been one of those cases. The investigation has been fair and impartial thus far, to the point that it has withstood every attempt to "prove" that it was ever anything else.
Comey's testimony was well over a year ago. It is entirely possible that what he said was true at the time -they really hadn't obtained the DNC server or performed forensic analysis- but that they have since done so. No need for anyone to be lying here.
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Whatâ(TM)s being discussed again? Kicking out and ostracizing someone and keeping their contributed code, against their wishes? You guys really think that's a moral or ethical thing to do?
Forfeiture as a punishment is an ancient tradition. Some concept of it can be found in every society. But even if this werr not the case, you agreed to license your code in a way you could not take back.
The right to ostracize someone and keep and continue benefitting from their volunteered work is not something an ethical person would fight for.
An ethical person wouldn't defend the concept of extorting a society just so you can continue to drag shit down and ruin everything for everyone, but hey, here you are.
Linux is not a democracy. Never has been. It's Linus's baby, and what he says, goes. And this, people have indeed consented to.
If you don't like this, start your own project.
I think you're overestimating most of them, on one specific point. They don't think they're deciding who contributes. They have no concept of just how many people they drive away, just because not doing things they love is preferable to dealing with them. They're that repugnant, and they have no clue.
That's not to excuse them. Because really, nobody has any excuse for not knowing this. Not just because the shit they pull is that obvious, but because so many of them have experienced close analogues to it from the other side. They should understand better than anyone what this does to people -what it did to them- yet they can't be arsed not to do it to others, because they just don't want to think about what they do for the few moments it takes to understand. They're negligent, not innocent; even their cluelessness is all their fault.
Insightful? Really mods?
Hey, insight is insight. Meritocracy doesn't care who says it.
While you are throwing insults you MIGHT want to read the festering SJW shitshow they are trying to shove on Linux, which is racist and sexist as fuck with an explicit stated goal to get rid of meritoracy and instead base contributions on how high you rank in the Oppression Olympics...yeah because developing extremely complex kernel code should be based on what your skin color is and whether you are a hufflepuff (no shit the one heading this bunch of whack-a-doodles calls herself a hufflepuff) not whether you can ACTUALLY WRITE GOOD FUCKING CODE.
So I went and read it, just as how you asked. Funny; it doesn't even mention meritocracy, or anything else you mentioned in the previous paragraph. The wider site does, and this is concerning, but it didn't infect the code they wrote.
And ya wonder why more and more are looking at the SJW movement and the regressives and going "Yeah can't stand the right....but at least they aren't batshit like these nutters, think I'll switch".
Oh, is this that fake Russian "walk away" thing again? Yeah, I noticed that. But in terms of people actually moving, almosylt all of what I'm seeing is people realizing that for all the SJWs' flaws -and there are many- they'd still rather be around the SJWs than you.
I mean for fucks sake who gives a single flying flipping fuck (other than regressives because ALL they care about is being racist sexist fucks) what color someone writing KERNEL CODE is?
You do, apparently.
that is the nice thing about meritoracy, cream rises to the top, shit gets flushed like it should.
And that's what's happening here: shit is getting flushed. You can't get away with it anymore, so I suggest you grow up before youbget replaced.
Be be sure to screaming "INCELS" and "Muh FEE FEES!" at the top of your lungs and call everyone an "IST!"
The only term I've used here is incels, and that's what you call yourselves. If you want me to use my preferred names for your kind, we can talk, but I think you'll find them much worse than anything ending in "ist". Unlike SJWs, I don't assume anything about your motives, because I don't especially care what your motives are. I don't care who you are, or what you think, or what you have; I care what you do. And what you do is unacceptable, no matter how good your code is. You've squandered the value of your code, and then some, on childish bullshit; you're deadweight, dragging the whole community down just so you don't have to stop hooting and howling and throwing shit at random. You took advantage of a community that didn't reject anyone, but those others who rejected you throughout you life? They were right. And the proof of that is how fast people are jumping at the chance to legitimize giving you the boot. No one wants you around. No one ever did. And it's all your fault.
Examples? One obscure troll's nest dying is insufficient evidence of much at all. If they couldn't survive losing the creepers, then perhaps that's why no one misses it.
Hey, last I checked, "incels" is what you called yourselves. I'm just respecting your claim on the word.
I never liked it much, to be honest. It implies your inability to get laid is somehow not your fault.
Replaced with what? Talentless virtue signalers and diversity hires?
There will probably be a little in the beginning. They'll be sorted out pretty quickly. You've set the bar for quality quite high, no doubt about it; your problem came from the assumption that no one else could ever meet it. You are not Linus Torvalds or Richard Stalllman or Fabrice Bellard; hell, you probably aren't even Julian Assange.
Enough is enough. Nobody has a natural right to force themselves and their views on any community without expecting blowback for it.
Of course not. Neither do you, and here comes the long-overdue blowback. Because here's the real secret: no one ever wanted you around. You were tolerated, barely, once someone found a way to make you useful, but enough is enough. Your abuse of these communities will not be tolerated longer.
And even then, really, you're getting more mercy than you deserve, because you're being offered one last chance to just grow the fuck up like you were supposed to do years ago. You are not being forced into this agreement, since you have not signed it. However, nothing else gives you any right to stay.
No outsider has a natural right to 'replace' anybody either.
Of course not. But in the same vein, no insider has a natural right to not be replaced. You drag everything down, you get jettisoned before everything sinks.
Here's the lovely thing about all this: no, they won't be laughed out of court. It's an interesting argument either way...
Not really. "GPLv2 doesn't use the magic words to say we can't not allow you to use the code anymore" is sovereign-citizen-level crap. You're playing Calvinball with contract law, and you'll be greeted with the same attitude as others who do that. If you even get past the first hearing I'll be shocked.
and one must accept that Stallman is an open source fanatic and isn't going to willingly put forth a position that could harm that movement.
Oh, I think that's exactly right. He wouldn't make a decision to hurt the movement. This is merely a recognition that you're a strong net-negative to the movement: your creepy bullshit does more harm than your code helps. Too many good people leave because of you, and that has to end.
The best part though is that computers don't give a rat's ass about your feelings. The talentless gender fluid attention whores who started all this are utterly incapable of maintaining a world class operating system, and they're going to learn that when they try.
Some of them probably will. And they'll be replaced too, probably much faster than you were, and life will go on. And others will come, but not people like you.
But I don't think most of the initial chaos will go that way. Most, I imagine, will turn out to be perhaps a little slower than you, but not enough to be any real hindrance. And the benefits to the community of not having to put up with you anymore will far outweigh any value the slight speed boost might have provided. See, as much as you set the bar for code quality quite high, you set the bar for decent behavior quite low (some would argue you prevented a bar from being erected). Anr now, pretty much anyone who doesn't shit all over everything will make for better company than you.
Also, these people you seem to think have no right to exist unless they choose to conform to your expectations are going to go get together elsewhere and produce something superior and they are going to make sure that the likes of you can never get anywhere near it.
What are you going to do, get Vladimir Putin as your BDFL? Your kind may actually have enough people to create the pieces, but people like you need charismatic leaders and strongmen to keep you working together, and these, you lack. You won't get past the second beta before everything disintegrates.
It's like this. There are people in the community you never really wanted around, because they refuse to act like people, but you had to tolerate them because Ostracism Is Evil. And they dragged shit down and ruined things for everyone, kind of like the bullies told you back in school, but because of that you find yourself empathizing with them, so you try to find some way to at least make them useful. Who knows? Maybe if they felt valued they'd finally grow; isn't that how self-esteem is supposed to work?
But it didn't. All it did was make them thing they were irreplaceable and indispensable, and that meant they found a place where they didn't have to do all those things they didn't want them to do -things like, you know, acting like people- and they got worse, not better. And good people started leaving, because that was preferable to putting up with this shit any longer, and then they judged you for continuing to enable these creeps.
And your patience has run out. You're not going to put up with their abuse of your social largesse anymore. And that scares them to death, because they know there's nobody else: every other social group cast them out before they found you, and there won't be any others: they refuse to meet any bar other than "no bar".
That leaves them with four options: convince you to keep them in, force you to keep them in, go back ro being outcasts, or finally meet those developmental milestones they've been refusing to cross. Making shit up about the opposition is Option 1: "genitals matter more than code" and similar idiocy. Threatening to withdraw easily-replaceable code is Option 2: rescinding licenses as though it couldn't be pulled from elsewhere and adapted, or if worse came to worst just rewritten, within a year or two.
Honestly, I say just let them have their code. It can be replaced, only slightly less easily than they can. Demonstrating this to them would be a powerful lesson.
Unlikely. The argument that the GPL2's no-recission clause lacks the word "recission" is laughably weak. The incels will be laughed out of court, and no one will miss them when they are gone.
And there is a way for them to escape this. All they have to do is grow up. But they won't, not because they can't, but because they just don't want to. That's all it is. And that is why they are being replaced.
Not really. All it'll do is drive away people who think their "contributions" are a license not to act like a personm They wind up doing more harm than good in the end anyway, so this is no big loss. No one will miss them when they're gone.
I say let them pull their code. It'll hurt for a year -maybe two- while their code gets replaced. But in the long term, it will be a good lesson to them and the community: these creeps were never indispensable, never irreplaceable. Sure it's painful, but when people drag shit down as much as they do, replacing them is still worthwhile.
This is why you can't get a date.
Law enforcement officers who work on child-pornography cases have their own specialized therapists. There's even a name for the stuff they face: Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder (STSD), brought on by repeatedly witnessing events that traumatize people.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if many Facebook mods needed this same kind of treatment, given the stuff they have to deal with. Hell; some Slashdot mods could probably use it.
Let me guess: no one wanted you around in school because you were creepy, and you thought that was bullying. Do I have it right?
Which leads me to believe that anon really stands for Al-Anon.
A support group for loved ones of alcohol abusers? I'm not so sure the metaphor holds: it would require them to have loved ones.
Right... so if you are an exec of Burger King, getting fired then finding work as a restaurant team leader at McDonald is not "destroying a career", and thinking otherwise is a fabrication. The scope of his downfall is similar.
Um... err... wut
It's hilarious to see a far-left jackass like you calling me a liberal.
It's even more hilarious watching you reduced to a screeching wreck who can't even keep his original line of argument going and has to pretend to switch teams. I wonder if your mommy heard you.
We've already established that I am not a liberal, or even centrist. Most liberals would frankly be horrified by my reasoning: I go against the underlying philosophies on which a lot of their platform depends just to make any semblance of sense. Just because I happen to agree with liberals on this particular issue doesn't make me one of them.
Right. So having faith in the superiority of the white race is a reflection of your lived experience, ergo being a white supremacist isn't something you can change. I love your logic!
No religion has preached this in over a hundred years. The thing about religion is that it can't be falsified: this is part of what makes it fundamentally different from science, but also punts it into the realm of identity rather than opinion. Contrast this with the superiority of any race over another, which is not only easy but nearly trivial to debunk. That's where its invalidity comes from.
You're the only retard talking about killing or enslaving anyone..
You started talking about it the moment you admitted to being a white supremacist. That's what it is; the whole platform is defined by this single obsession, according to your own thinkers.
which is why it's obvious that despite your protestations you are in fact a far-left SJW.
I don't have any problem with the idea of a just society, it's SJWs I can't stand. Their whole definition of justice is warped, inconsistent, and incomplete, and that poisons everything going forward from those definitions. If they actually started from some sound philosophy they'd be quite benign, though they'd also look quite different from the way they do today.
They'd still be ostracizing the hell out of you, though. Just like everyone else. You ruin things for everyone, SJW or otherwise, and this is why no one wants you around.
Reasonable people do not go from "I won't make that cake" to "urhmaghurd you wants ta commit genocides!!!1!1".
Reasonable people don't believe in racial supremacy. Reasonable people also don't get their current events mixed up like you just did; the cake shop case wasn't about race. I mean, we'd already established you're a troll, but seriously, can't you put at least some effort into it?
Thanks for coming out, I think we're done here.
You're the one who ragequit, dude. The win goes to me.
So you're saying it would be fine for me to come to your favorite sites to preach the beauty of interracial love, complete with vast quantities of multimedia visual aids? Great. Just let me grab some of my buds and fire up the special automated teaching assistants, and we'll get this party started.
You should be used to this by now. No one wants you around, so you find a community that doesn't understand what you are, take advantage of their hospitality, ruin it for everyone, and no one wants you around again. What's one more trip through the cycle? Or you could end it, by actually making the change and growing the fuck up, but of courseyou don't want to do that.
Failing that, build your own community. You've got everything you need for that. No one will stop you from leaving, and no one will miss you when you're gone. You may run into some trouble growing your community when no one wants to be around you, but so what? You should be used to this by now.
Oh, now you try to turn liberal on me? I am not impressed. "Plotting to kill millions of people" is not a valid identity. The same people who first taught you this technique also would have taught you that very carefully, and I suppose it should come as no surprise that you failed both lessons.
Ancestry isn't a choice. Gender isn't a choice. I'd argue that even religion isn't really a choice: a faith either reflects your lived experience or it doesn't, and your lived experience isn't really something you can change. Something similar can be said of political affiliation.
Plotting to enslave or kill millions of people, though? That's a choice. The fact that your plot attempts (poorly) to disguise itself as a political affiliation is irrelevant. Everyone sees through it; you can't hide. Evil demands expression and deserves punishment, and that's exactly what's happening.
When's the last time you heard a liberal claiming someone should be ostracized?
5 minutes ago?
It's funny; very few of the liberals I see calling for anything remotely related to ostracism are willing to admit that it's ostracism. Those kinds of mental gymnastics are one of the big reasons I'm not a liberal. But for now, my goals and theirs happen to align on this issue, and it would be foolish not to work with them on that.
Hell, ostracising is the least evil thing they call for; it's certainly a lot less harmful than calling for people to be fired, assaulted, harrased, etc.
Firing is a legitimate part of legitimate ostracism. Nobody wants you ariund, so they avoid you; when you muscle or swindle your way in anyway, they kick you out. As long as the ostracism itself is legitimate -i.e. based on what you do, not who you are- then so are the firings. Like the song goes, you don't lose your fucking job until you're spotted in the mob.
Assaults and harassment are not legitimate ostracism. This is true. Their legitimacy comes from something else entirely: you're in the early stages of trying to kill these people, and they do not have to wait for the punch to land. It's legitimate self-defense, plain and simple. I've got no objection to that.
Personally, I prefer to focus on the ostracism, because you've demonstrated that you're more afraid of being ostracized than you are of being hurt. Self-defense has its place, but it only affects a small number of people for a short time, so it can't be the only tactic in play. Fear, though, now that's effective over large groups and long times. The main thrust should be where it'll do the most good.
Me? Liberal? That's a laugh. When's the last time you heard a liberal claiming someone should be ostracized? They're big on the ostracism-is-evil stuff: you know, the same principle you exploited when you ignored everyone at school telling you that you needed to grow? You gamed that system in exactly the way conservatives warned that it would be gamed. Nope. I am no liberal, saying we need to validate everyone's feelings: invalid feelings exist, and yours are the most invalid, and unlike a liberal I'll say it to your face. I don't claim all perspectives are equally true: there are false viewpoints, and yours is the most false.
What makes ostracism legitimate is that it's based on what you do, not on who you are. I question the idea that Jim Crow can be described as ostracism by any reasonable person, but even if it could be, it wouldn't be legitimate ostracism, because it was based on identity, not actions. Contrast this with your own ostracism, which is based on your continued material support for genocidal maniacs. I'm not going to say you could change this anytime you want -these things take time; I get that- but you could start the process anytime you want. And so the people who would be targeted by the genocidal maniacs -i.e. anyone but themselves- are right to defend themselves by casting you out.
I understand only too well that growing up is not a pleasant thing to do. You delayed your development as a person because you just didn't want to do what it took, but you are far from alone in that. Nevertheless, it has to be done. And if you will not do it willingly, society will compel it.
Oh, it's dangerous all right. You know what's more dangerous than corporations regulating their own content? Literally anyone else doing it for them.
You are not being censored. You are being ostracized. No one wants you around, and no one will miss you when you are gone. If you don't like this, you can change it. All you have to do is change.
Apple's first attempt to get an OS running on Mach was, of all things, a Linux port. I don't think the code has been updated since the 2.x kernel series, but if it were to be resurrected, then perhaps there's less of a need to "move on" than the article's author believes.
There's literally no reason to expect that this investigation should be over in a paltry 18 months. No credible investigation of a figure as public as the President has ever been over nearly that quickly, whether or not it found anything. These things take time.
Liberals generally do have some severe problems when it comes to holding their own to different standards than their opposition (or, when that isn't feasible, changing the standard in self-serving ways). But so far, this has not been one of those cases. The investigation has been fair and impartial thus far, to the point that it has withstood every attempt to "prove" that it was ever anything else.
Bottom line: go back to /pol/, creep.
Comey's testimony was well over a year ago. It is entirely possible that what he said was true at the time -they really hadn't obtained the DNC server or performed forensic analysis- but that they have since done so. No need for anyone to be lying here.