Oh come on, man, clearly this is just satire. Can't you take a joke? I'm doing the whole devil's advocate thung, nothing more; just a bit a humor mized in, and what's the matter with that?
Jesus Christ, man; I tell you, these snowflakes have gotten way too sensitive in this day and age.
"Incel" is the self-adopted name of the group. How can it be a slur when they use it as their own proper name? Seriously, it's not even a reclamation project like some other groups use.
"Nazi" is slightly different, in that it historically was indeed used as a slur, but it has long since been successfully reclaimed. The group self-identifies, either directly or through explicitly allied groups. I'm still calling no slur here.
If I were calling them basement-dwellers or NEETs or unlovable freaks who no one will miss when they are gone, those might be considered slurs. Self-given proper names do not work that way. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
The incels and Nazis flocked to the geek community because we were the perfect enablers: having been unfairly targeted by society's means of enforcing norms, we forgot that sometimes the enforcement is fair, and therefore refused to enforce our own norms at all. This provided the perfect environment for them to manchild it up without consequences: finally, having been rejected by everyone else, they found people who considered it a duty not to pressure them to just grow the fuck up already.
That's what makes this code, like Linux's old application of Wheaton's Law and RMS's "kind communication guidelines", virtually worthless. The creepers love them, of course, because they know they can ignore them: they can continue to abuse the system and the people however they want. They fear any kind of code that comes with enforcement, because they know their behavior will get them rejected by the only people left who haven't rejected them.
Which is as it should be, really. Not enforcing our social norms was geek culture's biggest mistake: what was supposed to be a haven from bullying instead became a haven for bullies. We should have ostracized and replaced them a long time ago, but better late than never, I suppose. They have dragged things down and ruined everything for everybody long enough.
No, he couldnÃ(TM)t and neither could I. Self-respecting men are very selective on who they choose and you would not even register on our radar.
Well, you're certainly not the first incel to mistake me for female. I do wonder why it seems to happen so often, though. My current theory is that you get turned on by the humiliation and project your sexual desires onto me. Which I don't mind, to be honest. It makes the gender reveal much more fun.
Sorry, boys. Happily married straight male. Grew up geek, with everything that goes with it. Developed an outlook not so different from yours, until a nice hard smack upside the head brought me to my senses. Later found myself a hot geek girl, and we've been happily married for years. And I'm not even liberal; I'm just not creepy anymore.
Here's Carl Orff's "O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana. For best results, start plating at 2:17:36 Eastern, preferably in an environment with a lot of cell phones.
Well who peed in your borscht this morning, comrade?
Yes, people are leaving the fanbase. Mostly it's because they're sick of the fanboy bullshit and the hell of it is, from studies like this, it seems that a lot of the bullshit isn't even real: it started with a few creepers being duped by Russian bots into thinking their positions had any validity in any context beyond themselves, then amplified to all hell and back. And now you've killed your own franchise, because nobody wants to be around that kind of petty toxicity. Congratulations.
This community took you in when everyone else rejected you, and you repaid that by abusing the people who were supposed to be your friends. Show some appreciation.
Here's a better idea: don't treat volunteering to write some code as a license to abuse the people around you, and maybe people will actually want you around for once.
Funny, because the whole brogrammer thing is one of the most common memes surrounding the tech industry. I get the sense that a whole lot of people believe it, true or not.
It's not really the angle I was going for, though. Yeah, there are probably some brogrammers out there, emulating the groups they secretly envied so much back in school. But the cyclic bullies are something quite different. It's said that most abusers were once abused themselves, and peer-abusers are no different. They prey on targets of opportunity because it makes them feel powerful -alpha, if you will- despite knowing exactly what it does to the people they torment.
Understand, this is not an excuse. Even the best of the bitter unfuckables are actually worse than their old tormentors, who could at least claim a kind of negligent ignorance of the impact their actions had. These creepers, though, know exactly what they're doing to people as only those who have been victimized can, yet they make the choice to do it anyway.
And that's the best of them: the ones who faced actual bullying. There is another kind, who never actually faced that sort torment, and only thinks they were bullied. Unlike the actual bullying victims, these people have acted like jerks or creepers all their lives, and because of this, no one wanted them around, but people didn't go out of their way to torment them. And these pseudo-cyclic abusers convinced themselves that this was bullying, when really it was nothing more than legitimate ostracism, because that was easier than change.
Which type are you, I wonder? No doubt you think you were bullied -we're geeks, we all think it- but were you really? Or are you just another Stephen Miller, playing at victimhood to justify victimizing others in ways you never really were?
What points? I saw some empty rationalization of why people are creeped out by your creepiness, in a first paragraph that really could have been a Trump tweet if he knew what Linux was. Seriously; the style is exact. You could have a future in impersonation.
I don't know what thread you've been reading, but either it's not this one or you've set your filter way too high Step out of your safe space and use your browser's Find feature, and you'll find plenty of examples of everything I'm talking about.
But it's true. Genitals matter more than code to the people who wrote the CoC.
This seems to be true, and I do worry about it. But if you read the CoC, they don't appear to have allowed this belief to infect the CoC itself. Meritocracy demands we not care who wrote the code, as long as the code is good, does it not? They've got a decent set of rules. All I'm doing is respecting the same principles you pay lip service to.
Only they have no objective standards and fail to meet scientific reality.
What "scientific reality"? The fake evopsych bullshit you've been spouting is pseudoscientific at best. They're not doing so well on the scientific front either, it's true, but you're the ones trying to apply "science" to realms where the concept doesn't even apply.
For the last few and next few weeks we'll also get to see on full display what they think of the rule of law, innocent until proven guilty, and evidence.
So we'll be able to compare them to what we've seen of the way you think of these things the past few years? Wonderful. If they actually manage to limbo their way under the bar you've set, I'll be shocked, but a comparison will be useful.
You're hating on women, unironically calling people cucks, using terms like "alpha" and "beta", crying about other people's code without putting up any of your own, shrieking in rage at the idea that ostracism might ever be the correct course of action to take against someone, and denying any possibility of the idea that you might be the one with the problem.
Have you used the term "incel"? No. You're just throwing around pretty much every other identifying marker known to humanity. When you look like a duck, walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and flock with the ducks, you get called ein Ente.
See, as it turns out, it actually is. Because all you have to do is throw the occasional screeching tantrum, and if people can't kick you out, they'll either do what you want "to keep the peace", or lust leave because that's preferable to putting up with your bullshit. So you control what the project does, and you control who's in it: what other types of control would you even need?
Nah. If you don't want these abusers to have total control, you have no choice but to ostracize them. And the hell of it is, this turns out to be the right thing to do, precisely because they fear being ostracized so much. Many of them, after enough of this, come to realize that it's all their fault and they have to change, and actually wind up doing so, and the world is a better place. Others refuse to change, but at least hide their worst abuses out of fear, and the world is still a better place: not quite as much, but it'll do. Still others refuse to change or hide, but at least they are gone, and the world is still a better place (still suboptimal, but sufficient). There really are no downsides.
It is unlikely that Windows would win even in that case. I give it a year -18 months tops- for any pulled code to be replaced, and that's if all the incels actually follow through on the threat and this magical game of licensing Calvinball isn't laughed out of court. More likely, maybe two or three will, and that's a six-month job even if a bigwig leaves. That's a little short-term pain, but far from insurmountable.
But hey, maybe we should pull a ReiserFS. Even if the abusers can't actually pull their code, replace it anyway, just to erase their names from the contributor list. Maybe that's a project worth getting going, as another form of enforcement. Good old damnatio memoriae.
Not successfully, since you overestimate your indispensability. But you're trying to.
Just don't kick people out and you won't have to face the ethical question of using their generous gift of code against their wishes while you're treating them like yesterday's garbage.
Just don't be garbage people and you won't get kicked out. If your "gift" were truly "generous" then you wouldn't be trying to attach strings to it.
How does not treating contributors like garbage "ruin everything for everyone "?
It doesn't. I never claimed it did. But your "contribution" is a strong net negative: you push so many people away that your code does not make up for it.
Why are you so dead set on kicking out generous contributors?
I'm not. You are not generous You more than squander the value of your contributions with your abuse of the community, and this is why nobody wants you around.
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Oh come on, man, clearly this is just satire. Can't you take a joke? I'm doing the whole devil's advocate thung, nothing more; just a bit a humor mized in, and what's the matter with that?
Jesus Christ, man; I tell you, these snowflakes have gotten way too sensitive in this day and age.
Ooh, I hit a nerve. Is the deadweight mad at being called out?
"Incel" is the self-adopted name of the group. How can it be a slur when they use it as their own proper name? Seriously, it's not even a reclamation project like some other groups use.
"Nazi" is slightly different, in that it historically was indeed used as a slur, but it has long since been successfully reclaimed. The group self-identifies, either directly or through explicitly allied groups. I'm still calling no slur here.
If I were calling them basement-dwellers or NEETs or unlovable freaks who no one will miss when they are gone, those might be considered slurs. Self-given proper names do not work that way. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
The incels and Nazis flocked to the geek community because we were the perfect enablers: having been unfairly targeted by society's means of enforcing norms, we forgot that sometimes the enforcement is fair, and therefore refused to enforce our own norms at all. This provided the perfect environment for them to manchild it up without consequences: finally, having been rejected by everyone else, they found people who considered it a duty not to pressure them to just grow the fuck up already.
That's what makes this code, like Linux's old application of Wheaton's Law and RMS's "kind communication guidelines", virtually worthless. The creepers love them, of course, because they know they can ignore them: they can continue to abuse the system and the people however they want. They fear any kind of code that comes with enforcement, because they know their behavior will get them rejected by the only people left who haven't rejected them.
Which is as it should be, really. Not enforcing our social norms was geek culture's biggest mistake: what was supposed to be a haven from bullying instead became a haven for bullies. We should have ostracized and replaced them a long time ago, but better late than never, I suppose. They have dragged things down and ruined everything for everybody long enough.
No, he couldnÃ(TM)t and neither could I. Self-respecting men are very selective on who they choose and you would not even register on our radar.
Well, you're certainly not the first incel to mistake me for female. I do wonder why it seems to happen so often, though. My current theory is that you get turned on by the humiliation and project your sexual desires onto me. Which I don't mind, to be honest. It makes the gender reveal much more fun.
Sorry, boys. Happily married straight male. Grew up geek, with everything that goes with it. Developed an outlook not so different from yours, until a nice hard smack upside the head brought me to my senses. Later found myself a hot geek girl, and we've been happily married for years. And I'm not even liberal; I'm just not creepy anymore.
Here's Carl Orff's "O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana. For best results, start plating at 2:17:36 Eastern, preferably in an environment with a lot of cell phones.
Then sit back and brace for the Toad pic to come.
Well who peed in your borscht this morning, comrade?
Yes, people are leaving the fanbase. Mostly it's because they're sick of the fanboy bullshit and the hell of it is, from studies like this, it seems that a lot of the bullshit isn't even real: it started with a few creepers being duped by Russian bots into thinking their positions had any validity in any context beyond themselves, then amplified to all hell and back. And now you've killed your own franchise, because nobody wants to be around that kind of petty toxicity. Congratulations.
Leather just isn't my material. I typically play either a tank or a skirmisher, so I need laptops that provide a better Armor Class bonus.
This community took you in when everyone else rejected you, and you repaid that by abusing the people who were supposed to be your friends. Show some appreciation.
Here's a better idea: don't treat volunteering to write some code as a license to abuse the people around you, and maybe people will actually want you around for once.
Keep on hoping. I'm looking forward to your upcoming recreation of the Greatest Freak-Out Ever video when you lose.
Funny, because the whole brogrammer thing is one of the most common memes surrounding the tech industry. I get the sense that a whole lot of people believe it, true or not.
It's not really the angle I was going for, though. Yeah, there are probably some brogrammers out there, emulating the groups they secretly envied so much back in school. But the cyclic bullies are something quite different. It's said that most abusers were once abused themselves, and peer-abusers are no different. They prey on targets of opportunity because it makes them feel powerful -alpha, if you will- despite knowing exactly what it does to the people they torment.
Understand, this is not an excuse. Even the best of the bitter unfuckables are actually worse than their old tormentors, who could at least claim a kind of negligent ignorance of the impact their actions had. These creepers, though, know exactly what they're doing to people as only those who have been victimized can, yet they make the choice to do it anyway.
And that's the best of them: the ones who faced actual bullying. There is another kind, who never actually faced that sort torment, and only thinks they were bullied. Unlike the actual bullying victims, these people have acted like jerks or creepers all their lives, and because of this, no one wanted them around, but people didn't go out of their way to torment them. And these pseudo-cyclic abusers convinced themselves that this was bullying, when really it was nothing more than legitimate ostracism, because that was easier than change.
Which type are you, I wonder? No doubt you think you were bullied -we're geeks, we all think it- but were you really? Or are you just another Stephen Miller, playing at victimhood to justify victimizing others in ways you never really were?
After all, it's not like you can, am I right?
What points? I saw some empty rationalization of why people are creeped out by your creepiness, in a first paragraph that really could have been a Trump tweet if he knew what Linux was. Seriously; the style is exact. You could have a future in impersonation.
I don't know what thread you've been reading, but either it's not this one or you've set your filter way too high Step out of your safe space and use your browser's Find feature, and you'll find plenty of examples of everything I'm talking about.
But it's true. Genitals matter more than code to the people who wrote the CoC.
This seems to be true, and I do worry about it. But if you read the CoC, they don't appear to have allowed this belief to infect the CoC itself. Meritocracy demands we not care who wrote the code, as long as the code is good, does it not? They've got a decent set of rules. All I'm doing is respecting the same principles you pay lip service to.
Only they have no objective standards and fail to meet scientific reality.
What "scientific reality"? The fake evopsych bullshit you've been spouting is pseudoscientific at best. They're not doing so well on the scientific front either, it's true, but you're the ones trying to apply "science" to realms where the concept doesn't even apply.
For the last few and next few weeks we'll also get to see on full display what they think of the rule of law, innocent until proven guilty, and evidence.
So we'll be able to compare them to what we've seen of the way you think of these things the past few years? Wonderful. If they actually manage to limbo their way under the bar you've set, I'll be shocked, but a comparison will be useful.
You're hating on women, unironically calling people cucks, using terms like "alpha" and "beta", crying about other people's code without putting up any of your own, shrieking in rage at the idea that ostracism might ever be the correct course of action to take against someone, and denying any possibility of the idea that you might be the one with the problem.
Have you used the term "incel"? No. You're just throwing around pretty much every other identifying marker known to humanity. When you look like a duck, walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and flock with the ducks, you get called ein Ente.
See, as it turns out, it actually is. Because all you have to do is throw the occasional screeching tantrum, and if people can't kick you out, they'll either do what you want "to keep the peace", or lust leave because that's preferable to putting up with your bullshit. So you control what the project does, and you control who's in it: what other types of control would you even need?
Nah. If you don't want these abusers to have total control, you have no choice but to ostracize them. And the hell of it is, this turns out to be the right thing to do, precisely because they fear being ostracized so much. Many of them, after enough of this, come to realize that it's all their fault and they have to change, and actually wind up doing so, and the world is a better place. Others refuse to change, but at least hide their worst abuses out of fear, and the world is still a better place: not quite as much, but it'll do. Still others refuse to change or hide, but at least they are gone, and the world is still a better place (still suboptimal, but sufficient). There really are no downsides.
It is unlikely that Windows would win even in that case. I give it a year -18 months tops- for any pulled code to be replaced, and that's if all the incels actually follow through on the threat and this magical game of licensing Calvinball isn't laughed out of court. More likely, maybe two or three will, and that's a six-month job even if a bigwig leaves. That's a little short-term pain, but far from insurmountable.
But hey, maybe we should pull a ReiserFS. Even if the abusers can't actually pull their code, replace it anyway, just to erase their names from the contributor list. Maybe that's a project worth getting going, as another form of enforcement. Good old damnatio memoriae.
Um, dude, you may want to rethink the implications of claiming to be the one cucking me.
No one is extorting anyone.
Not successfully, since you overestimate your indispensability. But you're trying to.
Just don't kick people out and you won't have to face the ethical question of using their generous gift of code against their wishes while you're treating them like yesterday's garbage.
Just don't be garbage people and you won't get kicked out. If your "gift" were truly "generous" then you wouldn't be trying to attach strings to it.
How does not treating contributors like garbage "ruin everything for everyone "?
It doesn't. I never claimed it did. But your "contribution" is a strong net negative: you push so many people away that your code does not make up for it.
Why are you so dead set on kicking out generous contributors?
I'm not. You are not generous You more than squander the value of your contributions with your abuse of the community, and this is why nobody wants you around.
Um... err... isn't that what I said?
What are you going to do, fork TempleOS?
People who run away because they are intimidated by the quality level required to contribute to the Linux kernel, Don't Deserve to Contribute to It!
Mr. President? Is that you?
Who's the one spouting awful labels? "Incel" is what you call yourselves. Or if you've got some new name for yourselves, I'd like to hear it.