i'd say yes, to all, if you're doing something that you don't want others to see, then onus is on you to do it on your own device.
if it is their's then they can do whatever the hell they want with it. If it's yours same thing. in the case of BYOD, depends on who actually owns it, you cede certain considerations and rights when you opt in to a discount in my mind.
the phone, laptop and vpn router, are you caring for these things outside of normal business hours to do business-related activities? or for personal use.
i'm quite sure nobody would be upset with you if you wait until the normal business hours to go about trouble-shooting your business provided devices.
:) but we're not actively angering the south americans at the moment. When the sout americans actively plot my demise, i'll say maybe we should look out for them christians too. until such a time, me looking out for muslims is still just a good idea with the situation on the ground.
apologies, don't check slashdot except when i should be doing other things.
No, you have the right to be both a bigot and to speak out against bigots. Which is what troubles me. The problem isn't that, it's that what has happened is that EVERYBODY is speaking out against the same bigot now. Before this cultural revolution of speed and fury this was fine.
Again, saying something stupid should get you consequences, you might be reprimanded, lose a connection, etc. You might be fired, you might have to move.
But you have a chance to learn and to start over.
now, this shit will follow you forever, and the "swarm" is so reactionary, that it might be a misunderstanding, but your life is still screwed.
And it troubles me, because everybody is well within their rights, but it's so ugly.
should a man lose half a billion dollars because he was bigotted in a private conversation that he didn't know was recorded? he might have been a horrible racist at other times, but that's not why he lost half a billion... he lost it because of what he said in the privacy of his own home.
free speech is fine, but Brendan Eich was as bigotted as roughly 50 percent of the population was at the time. He donated to a political campaign.
Fuck me, i'd actually push for undisclosed donor lists if this is one of the outcomes of people actually supporting political causes they believe in.
He was on the wrong side of the issue. period. Is that enough to crucify a man now?
are we going to vilify half of america over gun control, abortion? who else is going to lose their livelihood for being wrong?
point of order, islam is not a race. it's a belief system.
when you stigmatize those that hate on fascism and communism, capitalism or science, the same way you stigmatize those that hate on islam... then i think you'd be cognitively coherent.
about it being a wrong assertion. he's simply pointing out that islam is violent and destructive. So might every other religion. Which i would argue is true. They're all violent and destructive.
Just so happens that every other belief system at this moment, doesn't have worshippers that actively plot my demise. I don't know, that kind of makes them special.
2025, we're not that crazy. only islam,and they won't have the capability because literally nobody is willing to see iran with the nuke. I'd say full scale invasion of iran before we see that.
this is my pet cause, yes, it's in a different tier than lynch mob, but the suppression of opinion is in the same class. People might not have the same fear of death as back in the civil rights movement, but they have the same fear of loss of economic livelihood.
And yes, you might say, "good those dirty racists should be forced onto the street" because that's where this is going, people organizing to drive individuals out of, jobs, out of homes, out of society, but what happens when the noun following that "dirty" swings around to describe you? or your friend?
will you still feel the same way about how our society allows itself to bully those "of different beliefs and opinions" when you or your friend are the ones being bullied?
Remember, Brendan Eich was forced out of a position he was eminently qualified for, because he donated to a political movement, and would not recant his religious beliefs.
but the title is at least true, in just the way we describe each other i think. Liberals are stupid according to conservatives, but conservatives are straight up malicious according to liberals. I think that that distinction is important and telling.
the problem with this is, everybody is all fine with it until they themselves step in shit.
the fucking precursors to this movement. The professors and activists of yesteryear are actually afraid to speak about the issues that they've been working on behalf of for the better part of a couple decades. Because the emotional safety is more important than actual intent... and context often doesn't fit in 140 characters.
slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/06/07/about-that-hate-crime-i-committed-at-university-of-chicago dan savage, getting called out for using 'tranny' in a forum he was invited to discussing his struggles in re-appropriating language. the looking glass is very real.
there's a real undercurrent of fear, the older progressive generation is paralyzed by fear of stepping on a landmine nobody but the fucking landmine knew was there. And claiming ignorance is a fucking "trigger" in itself.
social justice is good, equality is good, but people need the fucking freedom to be wrong. It's not about speech immunity, it's about being able to make a dumb joke, "to be human", without losing one's life. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02...
because you might indeed be the next one, stepping on a landmine nobody else saw either.
i don't think of greece when i think corruption, i think of sub-saharan africa and indonesia/india. when i think of greece i think "greed and incompetence"
don't know, been looking into it. last time i went to europe was a long time ago, and i've never had to enter the US as a non-US citizen:)
anyway, don't see the hassle of 15 dollar fee, i'd consider that similar to the hassle of booking a flight/accomodations at destination. visa waiver/electronic should take care of the majority of business travellers and tourists. and being denied entry, like these people seems like a vanishingly small fraction of travelers.
If you try and visit too often for too long, they might make you get a tourist visa. but if you've got no criminal record, and want to visit for a couple weeks or visit family, i don't think there's much hassle there.
again, i can't speak of that.
I pointed out the size of the US to weaken your argument that it was easy to visit 20 different countries in the EU. in terms of different ecosystems/parks and regional flavors, each state you have access to once you get into the US has its own distinct character. I'm saying, maybe not in terms of history, but in terms of cultural distinction it's less cut and dry than you make it out to be.
visiting the west coast vs visiting the east coast, north south, midwest, etc. are all going to be pretty different experiences.
We've got deserts, swamps, dormant volcanoes, flatlands, forests etc. there's a lot to see for "one" country is all i'm saying. And it's not super fair to compare it to, say, belgium.
Neither do most of us, European citizens (if I read the serious media and various polls correctly, ).
...
Not necessarily. A "speedbump" might as well lead to tighter integration. It's as it is with real speedbumps: they *do damage you and your car badly, if you drive over them with 140 km/h. If you drive over them with 20 km/h, they may lead you to permanently alter your driving behaviour in *that street.
i'd say it's more likely to fall apart then cede power to a central office. National identity is too strong. The only reason the american "currency union" has worked at all is because of the migration of money from richer states to poorer states, typically urban to rural. Until france and germany are willing to subsidize the PIGS, i don't see it happening. and france I already consider underperforming, and germany I already consider unwilling...
well my point there was more that comparing the US to say, sweden is a grossly negligent ignoring of scale.
the US as a whole is comparable to the EU as a whole. and some states are comparable to countries. Except germany and france, maybe. California is only as "big" as italy.
also, unfortunately, because you're not as centralized... you almost got fucked by Greece... BY GREECE.
I don't think it's possible to maintain this half-assed state the EU is in right now indefinitely. We'll hit another speedbump, and the EU will fly apart.
you've gotta remember, the US spans a continent, with all the weird climates that that entails. And it covers roughly the same area as europe and has about 70 percent of the population of the EU.
comparing the EU and the US as a whole is generally a valid comparison when talking about a whole host of issues. challenges in health care, defense, scientific output, GDP.
to us, you're like a loose loose loose confederation of states that in the past really really really wanted to kill the fuck out of each other.
except you've got a currency union that's not going to work in the long run, because the central body isn't empowered to redistribute wealth from stronger "states" to weaker ones. As the federal government does with lopsided taxing and spending between states over here. We're also americans first, regardless of ethnic origin or current residence.
you laugh, but i'm pretty sure israel would welcome them with open arms.
and the delegates would end up bitching and moaning about how israel isn't doing enough to defend their diplomats from getting randomly stabbed by palestinians.
islam isn't a race. It's a belief system. And one that seems particularly prone to having elements that get radicalized and blow themselves up in schools.
but hey, there's just enough of them that a small percentage means they've got enough people to take over a couple failed nations and are trying to set up a theocracy where most freedoms you take for granted are capital offenses... like apostasy.
the idea was that all men were "created" equal before the eyes of the law.
They were fighting for equality before the law. That a duke be subject to the same rules and regulations, taxes, tariffs and privilege as a man living on the street... in the eyes of his government.
The twist is not the story being told. It's just a cheap plot device to lure in the easy prey. The fact that if a movie is good it can be seen and enjoyed again and again despite knowing every line in it proves that.
yes to all this, and above. that does not mean you don't lose something for knowing the twist is coming. i'm not saying it's the most important part, i'm not even saying it's an equal part. I'm saying it's a valuable part of the experience that some people enjoy. And which cannot be found in second third, etc. showings.
true surprise at a clever plot twist only works the first time. you can admire it as much as you want, but it's never going to "delight" like that first viewing.
about actors and scripts.
for every movie you pointed out, where an actor improvised a line nowithstanding, i could probably name a movie the actors been in that is irredeemable shit. Because of a shitty script. If the writing isn't there, the finest actor in the world won't be able to save it. Hell, how many times have you thought "he's doing it for the paycheck" every time you think that it's because the script isn't up to the quality of the acting.
The script just sets the upper bounds on what a movie can be. Like canvas size.
unless you're judd apapapapapatow... and just have your actors do random shit, and somehow stumble the fuck into a plot during editing.
some directors are subtle enough to pull off "plot twist" and make you feel stupid for not seeing what's in front of your face.
small correction, i should have written "an actor is only ever as good as the words on the page" they are a bounds, the actors may fill it however they can, up to the limitations of the script. apologies i was ambiguous.
i liked the unexpected aspects of sixth sense, fight club and memento.
the internet has never been, and i'd argue should never be a "safe space"
as hitchens put it,
-who would you have decide for you, what you can and cannot hear? is anyone good enough to decide for YOU? -even the most vile of effluent might have a grain of truth, why do you believe what you believe is true? it's always good to examine first principles
-You are not just quashing the right of one person to say it, you are also removing the right of every other person to hear what that one person has to say.
we lost that man too soon, he'd have had a field day with this era of censorial instinct
an actor is only as good as the words on the page. yes, repeat watching is valid, yes delivery is important. but remember, first comes the plot, then comes all the flourishes like humor, drama, wit
A movie with no plot is what? the improv? a movie with no actors could still be a decent novel.
also, there is particular joy in the unexpected. there are things you can only experience the first time.
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i'd say yes, to all, if you're doing something that you don't want others to see, then onus is on you to do it on your own device.
if it is their's then they can do whatever the hell they want with it. If it's yours same thing. in the case of BYOD, depends on who actually owns it, you cede certain considerations and rights when you opt in to a discount in my mind.
the phone, laptop and vpn router, are you caring for these things outside of normal business hours to do business-related activities? or for personal use.
i'm quite sure nobody would be upset with you if you wait until the normal business hours to go about trouble-shooting your business provided devices.
mr. chavez's old regime? they be crazy.
:) but we're not actively angering the south americans at the moment. When the sout americans actively plot my demise, i'll say maybe we should look out for them christians too. until such a time, me looking out for muslims is still just a good idea with the situation on the ground.
apologies, don't check slashdot except when i should be doing other things.
No, you have the right to be both a bigot and to speak out against bigots. Which is what troubles me. The problem isn't that, it's that what has happened is that EVERYBODY is speaking out against the same bigot now. Before this cultural revolution of speed and fury this was fine.
Again, saying something stupid should get you consequences, you might be reprimanded, lose a connection, etc. You might be fired, you might have to move.
But you have a chance to learn and to start over.
now, this shit will follow you forever, and the "swarm" is so reactionary, that it might be a misunderstanding, but your life is still screwed.
And it troubles me, because everybody is well within their rights, but it's so ugly.
should a man lose half a billion dollars because he was bigotted in a private conversation that he didn't know was recorded? he might have been a horrible racist at other times, but that's not why he lost half a billion... he lost it because of what he said in the privacy of his own home.
free speech is fine, but Brendan Eich was as bigotted as roughly 50 percent of the population was at the time. He donated to a political campaign.
Fuck me, i'd actually push for undisclosed donor lists if this is one of the outcomes of people actually supporting political causes they believe in.
He was on the wrong side of the issue. period. Is that enough to crucify a man now?
are we going to vilify half of america over gun control, abortion? who else is going to lose their livelihood for being wrong?
point of order, islam is not a race. it's a belief system.
when you stigmatize those that hate on fascism and communism, capitalism or science, the same way you stigmatize those that hate on islam... then i think you'd be cognitively coherent.
about it being a wrong assertion. he's simply pointing out that islam is violent and destructive. So might every other religion. Which i would argue is true. They're all violent and destructive.
Just so happens that every other belief system at this moment, doesn't have worshippers that actively plot my demise. I don't know, that kind of makes them special.
did you just list libya as not "war ridden?" current civil war libya.
or just driving a kitted out jeep all over that bitch.
2025, we're not that crazy. only islam,and they won't have the capability because literally nobody is willing to see iran with the nuke. I'd say full scale invasion of iran before we see that.
hear, hear old chap
this is my pet cause, yes, it's in a different tier than lynch mob, but the suppression of opinion is in the same class. People might not have the same fear of death as back in the civil rights movement, but they have the same fear of loss of economic livelihood.
And yes, you might say, "good those dirty racists should be forced onto the street" because that's where this is going, people organizing to drive individuals out of, jobs, out of homes, out of society, but what happens when the noun following that "dirty" swings around to describe you? or your friend?
will you still feel the same way about how our society allows itself to bully those "of different beliefs and opinions" when you or your friend are the ones being bullied?
Remember, Brendan Eich was forced out of a position he was eminently qualified for, because he donated to a political movement, and would not recant his religious beliefs.
bleh... you just made me agree with krauthammer.
http://townhall.com/columnists...
but the title is at least true, in just the way we describe each other i think. Liberals are stupid according to conservatives, but conservatives are straight up malicious according to liberals. I think that that distinction is important and telling.
the problem with this is, everybody is all fine with it until they themselves step in shit.
the fucking precursors to this movement. The professors and activists of yesteryear are actually afraid to speak about the issues that they've been working on behalf of for the better part of a couple decades. Because the emotional safety is more important than actual intent... and context often doesn't fit in 140 characters.
slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/06/07/about-that-hate-crime-i-committed-at-university-of-chicago
dan savage, getting called out for using 'tranny' in a forum he was invited to discussing his struggles in re-appropriating language. the looking glass is very real.
there's a real undercurrent of fear, the older progressive generation is paralyzed by fear of stepping on a landmine nobody but the fucking landmine knew was there. And claiming ignorance is a fucking "trigger" in itself.
social justice is good, equality is good, but people need the fucking freedom to be wrong. It's not about speech immunity, it's about being able to make a dumb joke, "to be human", without losing one's life.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02...
because you might indeed be the next one, stepping on a landmine nobody else saw either.
i don't think of greece when i think corruption, i think of sub-saharan africa and indonesia/india. when i think of greece i think "greed and incompetence"
don't know, been looking into it. last time i went to europe was a long time ago, and i've never had to enter the US as a non-US citizen :)
anyway, don't see the hassle of 15 dollar fee, i'd consider that similar to the hassle of booking a flight/accomodations at destination. visa waiver/electronic should take care of the majority of business travellers and tourists. and being denied entry, like these people seems like a vanishingly small fraction of travelers.
If you try and visit too often for too long, they might make you get a tourist visa. but if you've got no criminal record, and want to visit for a couple weeks or visit family, i don't think there's much hassle there.
again, i can't speak of that.
I pointed out the size of the US to weaken your argument that it was easy to visit 20 different countries in the EU. in terms of different ecosystems/parks and regional flavors, each state you have access to once you get into the US has its own distinct character. I'm saying, maybe not in terms of history, but in terms of cultural distinction it's less cut and dry than you make it out to be.
visiting the west coast vs visiting the east coast, north south, midwest, etc. are all going to be pretty different experiences.
We've got deserts, swamps, dormant volcanoes, flatlands, forests etc. there's a lot to see for "one" country is all i'm saying. And it's not super fair to compare it to, say, belgium.
Neither do most of us, European citizens (if I read the serious media and various polls correctly, ).
Not necessarily. A "speedbump" might as well lead to tighter integration. It's as it is with real speedbumps: they *do damage you and your car badly, if you drive over them with 140 km/h. If you drive over them with 20 km/h, they may lead you to permanently alter your driving behaviour in *that street.
i'd say it's more likely to fall apart then cede power to a central office. National identity is too strong. The only reason the american "currency union" has worked at all is because of the migration of money from richer states to poorer states, typically urban to rural. Until france and germany are willing to subsidize the PIGS, i don't see it happening. and france I already consider underperforming, and germany I already consider unwilling...
well my point there was more that comparing the US to say, sweden is a grossly negligent ignoring of scale.
the US as a whole is comparable to the EU as a whole. and some states are comparable to countries. Except germany and france, maybe. California is only as "big" as italy.
also, unfortunately, because you're not as centralized... you almost got fucked by Greece... BY GREECE.
I don't think it's possible to maintain this half-assed state the EU is in right now indefinitely. We'll hit another speedbump, and the EU will fly apart.
you've gotta remember, the US spans a continent, with all the weird climates that that entails. And it covers roughly the same area as europe and has about 70 percent of the population of the EU.
comparing the EU and the US as a whole is generally a valid comparison when talking about a whole host of issues. challenges in health care, defense, scientific output, GDP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
to us, you're like a loose loose loose confederation of states that in the past really really really wanted to kill the fuck out of each other.
except you've got a currency union that's not going to work in the long run, because the central body isn't empowered to redistribute wealth from stronger "states" to weaker ones. As the federal government does with lopsided taxing and spending between states over here. We're also americans first, regardless of ethnic origin or current residence.
i think i'd give him the hairy eye because it's a cloak, and he mentions no other apparel. Big hairy cloaked streaker.
i'm surprised they let him pass at all.
maybe just didn't want to tangle with someone that crazy.
you laugh, but i'm pretty sure israel would welcome them with open arms.
and the delegates would end up bitching and moaning about how israel isn't doing enough to defend their diplomats from getting randomly stabbed by palestinians.
just those filthy persians?
islam isn't a race. It's a belief system. And one that seems particularly prone to having elements that get radicalized and blow themselves up in schools.
but hey, there's just enough of them that a small percentage means they've got enough people to take over a couple failed nations and are trying to set up a theocracy where most freedoms you take for granted are capital offenses... like apostasy.
Oh wait, that's a capital offense in even the "moderate" islamic nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
the idea was that all men were "created" equal before the eyes of the law.
They were fighting for equality before the law. That a duke be subject to the same rules and regulations, taxes, tariffs and privilege as a man living on the street... in the eyes of his government.
The twist is not the story being told. It's just a cheap plot device to lure in the easy prey.
The fact that if a movie is good it can be seen and enjoyed again and again despite knowing every line in it proves that.
yes to all this, and above. that does not mean you don't lose something for knowing the twist is coming. i'm not saying it's the most important part, i'm not even saying it's an equal part. I'm saying it's a valuable part of the experience that some people enjoy. And which cannot be found in second third, etc. showings.
true surprise at a clever plot twist only works the first time. you can admire it as much as you want, but it's never going to "delight" like that first viewing.
about actors and scripts.
for every movie you pointed out, where an actor improvised a line nowithstanding, i could probably name a movie the actors been in that is irredeemable shit. Because of a shitty script. If the writing isn't there, the finest actor in the world won't be able to save it. Hell, how many times have you thought "he's doing it for the paycheck" every time you think that it's because the script isn't up to the quality of the acting.
The script just sets the upper bounds on what a movie can be. Like canvas size.
unless you're judd apapapapapatow... and just have your actors do random shit, and somehow stumble the fuck into a plot during editing.
some directors are subtle enough to pull off "plot twist" and make you feel stupid for not seeing what's in front of your face.
small correction, i should have written "an actor is only ever as good as the words on the page" they are a bounds, the actors may fill it however they can, up to the limitations of the script.
apologies i was ambiguous.
i liked the unexpected aspects of sixth sense, fight club and memento.
i never mentioned "true value"
i actually wouldn't be like... super surprised, but in a satirical context.
may you be touched by his noodly appendage and all.
sometimes ridicule is the only response.
the internet has never been, and i'd argue should never be a "safe space"
as hitchens put it,
-who would you have decide for you, what you can and cannot hear? is anyone good enough to decide for YOU?
-even the most vile of effluent might have a grain of truth, why do you believe what you believe is true? it's always good to examine first principles
-You are not just quashing the right of one person to say it, you are also removing the right of every other person to hear what that one person has to say.
we lost that man too soon, he'd have had a field day with this era of censorial instinct
an actor is only as good as the words on the page.
yes, repeat watching is valid, yes delivery is important.
but remember, first comes the plot, then comes all the flourishes like humor, drama, wit
A movie with no plot is what? the improv?
a movie with no actors could still be a decent novel.
also,
there is particular joy in the unexpected.
there are things you can only experience the first time.