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US Stops British Muslim Family From Boarding Flight To Visit Disneyland (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader writes: U.S. authorities blocked a British Muslim family from boarding a plane at London's Gatwick airport. They were flying to Los Angeles on a trip to visit Disneyworld. "U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials provided no explanation for why the country refused to allow the family of 11 to board the plane, even though they had been granted travel authorization online ahead of their planned 15 December flight." This comes at a time when prominent groups and individuals within the U.S. are arguing in favor of blocking entrance for all Muslims. The refusal, and the U.S.'s unwillingness to explain, is raising concern within the UK government. The family is out $13,340 for their plane tickets.
FTFA
A British Muslim family heading for Disneyland was barred from boarding a flight to Los Angeles by US authorities at London’s Gatwick airport...
Wow, is it true? The US "authorities" have pretty long arms.
One of them has possibly been involved in Islamist activities, has known associates involved in Islamist activities, etc.
the country refused to allow the family of 11 to board the plane, even though they had been granted travel authorization online ahead of their planned 15 December flight
Why would someone even risk these shenanigans just to go see someone dance around in a giant rat costume? Jiminy Christmas. There must be nearer amusement parks.
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They were only 11? I think we need some soft of birth control globally. This is getting out of hands.
Disneyland/Disneyworld, whatever.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
were they muslim rabbits?
cause the need for even more wmd on credit equipped herding of us by hired goons? creepy is an understatement? https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=truth+about+US+weather ... these byrds need all the distractions they can MANufacture? spontaneous cease fire orders being issued wwworld wide?... none too soon?
Well they get drunk because they drink poper beer and not that weak ass piss you call beer.
Odd. I was about to post the same about US bases still operational all over the planet. Just replace "muslim nigger" with "white trash chauvinists".
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
..what I need to do, as a European, before being able to get into the US: get a ticket, and better pay that with a credit card (if I pay cash, officials at the airport will ask the hell out of me why I paid cash and annoy me with a very tough security check), pay with a credit card some entry fee, at least 3 days ahead of travelling. Let DHS pat me down upon arrival. Of all these things, only getting a ticket makes sense to me, the rest is security-craze-inspired overhead. Solution: I don't travel to the US anymore. My life is easier that way. If a US-based customer wants to meet, tough luck. I now have as solid a reason not to fly to the US anymore as I have not to go to Saudi Arabia, although the nature of the reason is different. Well done, America !
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Nonono, you read that wrong. That was a UK Muslim Family going to the US, not a US family going to Europe.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Radicalization starts when you treat people badly and word gets around. That family probably loved America. Not any more. The bad press incidents like this generate only fuel negative perceptions. Border guards: If you want the world to hate America, mission accomplished.
The more fans America has around the world, the better. Border guards need to learn how to do their jobs without needlessly pissing people off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
FTFA: "He said that the airline told them that they would not be refunded the $13,340 cost of their flights. They were also forced to return everything they bought at the airport’s duty-free shops before being escorted from the airport."
EU law states that:
If you are denied boarding or your flight is cancelled or overbooked, you are entitled to either:
transport to your final destination using comparable alternative means, or
having your ticket refunded and, where relevant, being returned free of charge to your initial departure point.
http://europa.eu/youreurope/ci...
Each time the US block entry it has to give a justification. if it does not, it has to reimburse 100% of the trip expense. Maybe then that would cut some of the bullshit.
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I'm not buying this. I smell someone with an agenda.
Im a UK citizen, im not religious and I am a family man. Stripping back all of race/religion side of this I put myself in their place.
If I have worked hard to save the money up to take my family on holiday, my children are excited to go do what would probably be a once in a life time experience for them. We fill in all the forms get visa do everything by the book. Then on the day just when we are about to get on the plane get told sorry you cant come, oh and all that duty free stuff you have we will be taking that, escorted out like criminals then told oh by the way all that money you worked so far for and paid? your not getting it back.
I would be livid if it happened to just me, I would be would be enraged if it happend to me and my partner, but then to destroy my childrens hopes I would so angry it would be beyond describing in polite converstation.
I would be kicking off to everyone and anyone. I don't care if it politically embarrases heads of state or not. So good on this family for doing the same. Race or religion may or may not have been part of the reason for this but putting that asside no family deserved to be treated in such a manner and if unless you think it would be acceptable for you and your family to be treated as such then its not ok for this family.
I for one hope they get some explanation for this and if its not a good one they damned well better get appologise refunds and someone should make it up to those kids.
This just in: according to sources there is strong evidence that one of these travellers had links with a terrorist network in Agrabah:
http://time.com/4155228/amierc...
I, as a lily-white non-muslim EU citizen, registered on the ESTA program still have to agree that even if they accept my application and authorize me for travel to the US, I still may be denied entry without reasons given. And even if I'm allowed, I'm still subjected to the normal security screenings (oh, I even had one of those chemical analyzers swiped over my hands at San Antonio - not that it's inconvenient or intrusive, but it seemed that the agent decided to "randomly sample" me while I was asking for information).
No, but it must be because they are muslims!
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
I was just talking to a guy from India. He was born in India, but holds an Australian passport. He owns his own software company, and he's very successful. Not too long ago he landed in California. He plan: Go look around. He heard it was a great place. It was his first time to the US. At the boarder they pulled him because he couldn't tell him definite plans for his stay in the US. They questioned him for hours, denied him entry and sent him back to Australia. This is a rich guy who speaks perfect English.
My point is: they should be grateful to be turned back in while still in the UK. They could have ended up making the flight for nothing.
btw. Revealing a reason helps the terrors.
Well, there's Disneyland Paris, but...
...they might be on strike. :-D
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The implication of the article is that somehow US authorities are discriminating against this family because of their faith. Obviously, that's false, since there are large numbers of Muslims traveling to the US every day.
The actual reason may be anything from insufficient funds to cover a family of 11 to documented terrorist connections. Would it be better for US authorities to provide reasons and let people know earlier? Of course. Is there any kind of obligation to do so? No.
Note that the UK bans people from entry for no other reason than that they voice unpopular political views, so the UK government is hardly in a position to criticize other nations over arbitrary exclusions.
> They were flying to Los Angeles on a trip to visit Disneyworld.
Disneyworld is in Florida. Disneyland is in Los Angeles.
They were right to be suspicious. Disneyworld is much better. Disneyland is tiny and dusty and cramped in comparison.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
If non-extremist Muslims are tired of their religion being turned into something evil and not very peaceful, then it is time for these moderates to take up arms and fight and stand up for their peaceful religion and beliefs and take out the extremists. Until that happens our policies will affect the entire religion. Feel sorry for the family, but their lack of standing up for what they think is a peaceful religion has caused their anguish. What these people have to understand is that their faith is being used against to cause further and deeper damage to their way of life.
Would they have saved a lot of money by travelling to Disneyland in France? There is a reason why Disney has other worldwide locations. Seems like there is something else going on, other than being a Muslim family of 11.
They wanted to do something suspicious like go to an entertainment establishment.
What they should have said was they were going to buy weapons/guns, because heaven forbid a no-fly list be used to deny someone their ability to purchase weapons.
I don't care about muslim psy-ops fairy tales. But a few days ago the korean teenage girl pop band "Oh My Girl" was detained for 12 hours and then sent home from LAX, because US border control searched their luggage and decided they must be underage sex workers, based on the wardrobe they brought for a photo-op and a concert.
The incident was pretty big news in Asia, BBC News covered the story twice and even the infamously anti-korean japanese otaku sided with band members. (Who doesn't like kawaii kittens?) US diplomacy salvaged the incident by stating the girls were turned back for not having an appropriate type of employment-allowed visa, even though South Korea is on the visa lift list.
For details and photos, see:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35071156/k-pop-group-oh-my-girl-detained-at-la-airport-on-suspicion-of-being-sex-workers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35101815/k-pop-group-oh-my-girl-had-wrong-visa-says-us-customs-and-border-protection
Of course, the story was submitted to Slashdot but didn't make it for lack of M-word in the title...
Remember, this happened in England and England isn't part of the EU and therefore isn't subject to EU law. Witness all of the wrangling in court with Julian Assange over whether a European Arrest Warrant was valid in England (it was then, it isn't now.)
The fact is that the United States government shit on these people. Whether it was 'legal' or not is irrelevant.
Warning: your government is afraid of you.
It transpires that one of the adults was arrested and convicted of crimes in Israel and neglected to disclose that.
As much as I hate to say it, I would say that the best response is to not come to the US for vacation. You can find the equivalent of pretty much anything you might want to see in another country without being treated like a felon from the most wanted list by the DHS and the TSA.
And maybe... just maybe... if the US loses 200 billion dollars a year in tourism income, our politicians will pull their heads out of their asses and start making some sane national security policies (but I wouldn't hold my breath).
I keep dating crack-whores and as a result my shit keeps getting stolen and I keep getting STDs.
Well, surely it isn't the crack-whores! Keep dating them!
It's because Disney World is in Florida not CA. They knew they must be up to something.
Trump says: "I, Donald J. Trump, am calling for a complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what the hell is going on," and the whole "mainstream" political world including team Obama goes insane - flinging terms like "insane", "racist", "fascist", "NAZI", etc.
Meanwhile, the Obama administration stops a Muslim family from coming to America to visit a Disney themepark and, well, [crickets] from the "mainstream" media. Is the Obama admin crazy, insane, fascist, nazi, etc????
Partisan hyper-sensitivity is just another dishonest political tactic the media and the permanent political class use to prevent change by making ousiders into the politically unacceptable "other". The humorous aspect of the Trump quote is that all the people screaming about it are desperate to have nobody notice that the ban's duration is directly, clearly and explicitly tied to the competence or incompetence of the government..... the only way it could be construed to be a long or permanent ban is if one assumes the government intends to remain incompetent at screening visitors/immigrants. Of course, the establishment political hacks of BOTH political parties are fully intending to remain incompetent and therefore assume the ban would be unending...
For the love of god I come here for tech news. This isn't fucking CNN.
"They were flying to Los Angeles on a trip to visit Disneyworld." That sounds suspicious right there. Disney World is in Orlando.
Congrats! I see that they've finally set up Internet in your trailer park.
I'd imagine that they'd like our government out of their countries.
Glad this was modded up. Slash-bias clearly leaking through. Just as msft==bad, Linux == good. Not slightly a defender of DHS.
Didnt the American president just ban all Muslims, including citizens from (re)entering the country?
have you seen american women? it's how einstein was first able to observe gravitational lensing and complete his works on general relativity.
I kinda sorta get that the US revoked their travel because somewhere in some there might actually be a semi legitimate reason for that or hell at least some semi reasonable clerical error involve. Tho I will say that the whole radio silence thing as to exactly why doesn't exactly score high marks with me.
But what the ever loving hell was up with them forcing them to return everything they bought at the duty free shops? Up until that point they had every reason to be in the airport and as such to buy whatever the hell they wanted. I'm sorry it is bad enough that people are being barred from a flight for some as yet (if ever) to be determined reason but forcing them to return what they bough on top of that was just seriously petty.
Other people have stated that the rules in the EU are as such that they are entitles to a refund on their plane tickets, hopefully they are correct and hopefully they get that money back.
Maybe they should have purchased "I might be on the no fly list because I know some almost-radical people, but they're really nice and wouldn't hurt anyone" trip insurance.
They had applied for "authorization" in advance, which isn't the same as a visa.
Only in the semantics since a visa really is just authorization to travel to a country. I often wonder if anyone in the US government appreciates the irony of still referring to it as the "visa waiver program" since effectively you are applying for a visa (even if they refuse to call it that) to be part of the visa waiver program.
This concerns delays, cancellations and overbooking that prevent you from boarding
None of these apply in this case.
Just stop flying to the US for any reason and see how quickly they reopen the borders with red carpets to welcome you back. There are plenty of other places to visit in the world.
When something like this happens, the airline should be compelled to refund their money. These folks did their paperwork properly and shouldn't be penalized by the airlines for something beyond their control. Ehhhhh.......they didn't miss much not getting to go to Disneyland. Disneyworld is better anyway (but not much)....IMO....
You're messin' with my Zen Thing, man.....
I was in Britain last summer (Scotland, specifically) for the Fringe. No visa on our US passports, no problems at arrival airport, immigration security people firm (as is their job) but polite. It *can* be done nicely. Reading British coverage of this, I am embarrassed that, as an American, my personal reputation (and future welcome back) is sullied by poor handling of this situation. This should be the same as a police stop: There has to be a reason, and the person should be TOLD the reason, and it better be a good enough reason to justify screwing up someone's day, not to mention potentially losing out on the expense of the tickets. Considering most of these cases are going to be false positives, the impression it gives of the US as a randomly secret-police state is a stain on all of us.
They want the west terrorized. They got their wish, we are terrified of radical Islam, and with good reason.
Yeah, the US lives on tourist dollars, we hardly have any other industry.
Most of you idiots don't even know the first thing about Islam.
Do you have nothing against Islam?
Then you have nothing against stoning, amputations, flogging, female genital mutilation, suicide bombers, beheadings, "honour" killings, repression of free speech, abolition of Parliament and its replacement with Shariah, banning of music, banning of beer and wine, banning of pork, dressing women in burkhas, beating of wives, mutiple wives, killing of rape victims, persecution of Jews and Christians, child brides, repression of reason and questioning, islamic police states, burning of churches, killing anyone who leaves islam, killing anyone who questions the teachings of islam, total intolerance of other religions, inferior status of women, violent Jihad against non-muslims, arranged marriages, acid attacks, public hangings, mutilations, rewriting of history, denial of islamic atrocities...
Islam... in layman's terms
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains under 2% in any given country, they will, for the most part, be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- 0.6% Muslim
Australia -- 1.5% Muslim
Canada -- 1.9% Muslim
China -- 1.8% Muslim
Italy -- 1.5% Muslim
Norway -- 1.8% Muslim
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize to other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- 2% Muslim
Germany -- 3.7% Muslim
United Kingdom -- 2.7% Muslim
Spain -- 4% Muslim
Thailand -- 4.6% Muslim
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- 8% Muslim
Philippines -- 5% Muslim
Sweden -- 5% Muslim
Switzerland -- 4.3% Muslim
The Netherlands -- 5.5% Muslim
Trinidad & Tobago -- 5.8% Muslim
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Shari'ah, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Shari'ah law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- 10% Muslim
India -- 13.4% Muslim
Israel -- 16% Muslim
Kenya -- 10% Muslim
Russia -- 15% Muslim
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, as in:
Ethiopia -- 32.8% Muslim
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, as in:
Bosnia -- 40% Muslim
Chad -- 53.1% Muslim
Lebanon -- 59.7% Muslim
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Shariah Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels (yes, there really is such a thing) as in:
Albania -- 70% Muslim
Malaysia -- 60.4% Muslim
Qatar -- 77.5% Muslim
Sudan -- 70% Muslim
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- 83% Muslim
Egypt -- 90% Musl
Disneyworld in L.A.? Or, maybe, there is a city called L.A. in Florida next to Orlando? What is the editor smoking?
the kids was bringing a clock?
Why do they even bother?
Don't travel to the US. Don't buy their stuff. Sell yours to them at double what you'd get anywhere else and let them feel proud and smart, while they keep shooting themselves in shopping malls and schools, still thinking they are superior to everyone, because they can go to wallmart in their underwear, carrying guns.
There's plenty to see and buy and have fun with, all around the globe.
As long as the US treats everyone as braindamaged idiots and people still want to go there, the US government might be right in assuming everyone is as dumb as they want them to be.
Why? Let's face it. The United States is a Mickey Mouse outfit...
If a couple countries retaliated (retail-ieated?) by banning all Disney products from entering their land, this sort of shit would stop immediately.
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Come to Canada instead. We like tourists, and the current state of the Canadian dollar means that you'll be getting more for your money.
There's no Disneyland, but you could hit Toronto and go to Wonderland, Casa Loma, Niagara Falls, etc.
Or hit the west coast and visit the Vancouver night market, PNE, Bouchard Gardens, and maybe take a whale-watching tour, etc. Finish up with a trip on the Rocky Mountaineer and tour the province.
Let's face it, we don't trust Muslim's. Its not politically correct, its not the correct way to protect ourselves. But in the end paranoia is going to win.
What really happened is that we can't trust any Muslim anymore not to be a terrorists. When you have a mother of a young baby killing people in San Bernardino CA you have a problem defining who could be radicalized and who is safe. But then you have stories like this who side on these people being innocent victims but do we really know all of the story? Maybe one of these family members had been found to have ties or contacted a ISIS like group.
Maybe they claimed their Islamic radicalization to the cause. We just do not know, but the story mistakenly takes a side without all the facts. Maybe its just a case of siding on a paranoia of being overly cautious probably because our previous abilities to stop these people have been shown to be flawed in discovering who is the bad ones. So now for a lot of people, every Muslim is bad. This is what happens when you don't do the proper tasks at protecting your citizens.
Use your brains people. If they were refused to fly and the government did not disclose a reason then most likely there was a reason. The government is in damage control mode with panic and they are simply keeping a low profile on another incident. This is a national security issue and they dealt with it. People are on a need to know basis YOU don't need to know so please keep your all knowing narcissistic comments out of this.
Much cheaper if they go to China, so long as they're not choosy about the sign at the gate.
Could it possibly be that they were denied based on the fact that two adults were escorting 9 kids? I didn't check the ages, but I believe there is a limit to the number of kids that can be accompanied by an adult on a flight.
From an imigration perspective the risk of having 11 people overstaying their visa may also have been deemed possible/likely.
I find it ridiculous to see articles like this. Referencing Los Angeles, Disney Land, and Disney World..... For those that are unaware (and authors of such articles should at least make the effort to find out what they're really writing about), Disney World is in Florida and Disney Land is in California. So beyond my frustration with the confusion of that is the lack of actual information. Ok, a family was barred from traveling. Until we know why, their race, religion, sexual orientation, even the spot they're planning to travel to is irrelevant. I don't care if it was Muslims, Christians, or any of 1000 other religions that they follow. Unless there was credible reason to believe they posed a threat they should have been allowed to travel. If there was credible reason to believe they posed a threat they should have been barred like they were. The problem here is we know they were barred and nothing else. So what's the point of the article? To stir up controversy? Get us some facts to consider before posting this kind of rubbish.
Also, not sure why the UK Government would care why the US is restricting travel to the US. I think every countries government has the right to decide what it considers a threat and deny entry. I'm not saying that I agree that this was a threat, but if there is good reason then they shouldn't care. I also wouldn't think it a big deal for the US government if the UK barred me from traveling there (although I'd love to visit one day, so I hope they don't).
To be able to board a plane is not an universal human right. Therefore, no need of all the fuss.
If you're unable to travel for some reason not of your making (e.g. you show up on the no-fly list), the airline will refund your ticket price. A hideous inconvenience, and doesn't help much if you rebook (after fixing the problem) at a much higher price, not to mention all the other incidental costs (schlepping 13 family members to the airport is a significant logistical challenge)
No, it was not underage prostitution..
They were going to do a *performance* (pretty clearly employment and work) and had *tourist* visas (no work allowed).
This is true most places in the world. Back in the 80s, I had friends who were in the fashion industry, and worked illegally (models, photographers, etc.) all the time. The key thing when working (illegally) on a tourist visa is to make sure that nothing "work related" is in your luggage or carryons. Models, ship your portfolio ahead of time. Photographers, ship your gear separately.
These K-pop folks had all their costumes and gear with them.
they tried to claim that it was just a photo shoot, not a real performance, and hence not work, but I suspect that was trying to lawyer their way in.
If you don't want the US assisting in the defence of your country, talk to your political leaders. We are more than willing to let you fend for yourselves.
You should notice however that shortly after leaving the Philippines, they are being pushed around by China, and shortly after leaving Iraq, Deash nearly overran their government. Both of these pullouts were requested by the local governments, and both have gone badly for them, where they turn around and beg us to return.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I wonder how big that family was as they had to pay over 13000USD for their tickets. I can get from Europe to USA and back for around 500USD without any discounts.
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US is not stopping all/most Muslims from flying or visiting Disneyland, so there must have been something alarming about this particular family. Without knowing what is was, we can't say if the authorities made the right call. The only thing for sure is that airlines/hotels/amusement parks should be required to issue refund in such circumstances. And passengers involved should be given a chance to clear their name with an interview.
Disneyworld is in Kalifornia? Can I get the address?
If the name of one of the 11 family happened to be an alias on one of the secret watch lists, wouldn't this be the result? They can't tell you about the list, because then it wouldn't be secret, so they just have to reject you.
Ah, slashdot. Never change.
the only Disneyworld is in Florida...
There is, however, a Disneyland in California...
I am embarrassed for this country sometimes.
Now if only we could stop all the goddamned Christians coming in as well. And actually, anyone really wanting to go to Disneyland.
Everything you know is wrong, Just forget the words and sing along.
You overran Iraqs government, and armed those guys. Just saying it isn't so won't change it.
DisneyWorld is in Florida. This may have just been a typo in the article, but might be something DHS would flag as "unusual."
It might be worth it if we get our national parks back.
Bruce Perens.
Note that the UK bans people from entry for no other reason than that they voice unpopular political views, so the UK government is hardly in a position to criticize other nations over arbitrary exclusions.
How dare you, sir! How dare you impugn Her Majesties Empire in such an uncouth fashion? Good day to you, sir. Good day!
If they first granted them acces but blocked it after the family bought the tickets, the family should be reimbursed for their expenses.. OR better have real public evidence that the family were terrorists (which I highly doubt)..
You, sir, have been trolled.
Nevermind causation vs correlation?? Sounds reasonable enough to me; I'm right with you. ;)
Yes, and the new government that was elected by the people asked the US to leave, they were then overrun by Daesh.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Let's look at the article as is rather than this exaggerated sky is falling hate speech the Muslim family is promoting:
This was done at Gatwick, in London England. By London residents. Employed by London businesses and governments.
So first and foremost, the US does not stop people from departing their countries. This is on them.
Second, Visas are checked on arrival, regardless of the destination.
IF they are ever checked on departure, it's only to cross reference the dates of stay. If the date is valid, they'd skate right through. doesn't matter where you're departing from. Even London, who's got a problem with their fear of terrorists beyond anything America has.
I suspect someone's fibbing. Either the UK government, employees at Gatwick, or the Muslim family themselves.
Common sense. I ain't buyin this load of crap.
It appears that there is a facebook page registered to the family's home address, claiming a work history of "supervisor at Taliban and Leader at Al-Qaeda" might possibly be related.
http://www.itv.com/news/update...
This is denied by the father, although suspiciously, the name "Hamza Hussain" in which the facebook page is registered, is the same as one of his son's.
Because they are British? I thought were over the britishphobia?
.....and you HAVE to, I fell sorry for you.
If you are going for leisure/holidays, you are a certified fuckwit : the humiliation and the random trouble is not worth the hassle.
What are you talking about, Daesh works as designed. First, destabilize a region, oust everyone who represent a stabilizing factor, ensure that there is nobody powerful enough to fill that power vacuum other than some force you can easily vilify, then lean back and relax.
The whole shit works like a dream. Everyone around is busy shitting his pants and pumping oil like crazy, dumping it on the market to, on one hand, keep Daesh from getting money and on the other hand to keep up with the arms race (of course you should be able to provide those arms), you create a huge wave of refugees that floods into Europe and put a heavy strain on their economic power, at the same time you can use the ongoing problem between Turkey and Russia to keep Russia from getting even remotely cozy with Europe (seriously, the only thing the US would have to fear if those two powers started to get friendly), and for all that you don't even have to lift a finger. That is self perpetuating. And as a bonus you have the boogeyman of Daesh as a comfortable and believable reason for whatever you want to do, domestic or abroad.
What the hell is your problem with Daesh? That shit is a masterpiece of international diplomacy.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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there's loads of precedent for denying some rights to foreigners.
Do you believe that being permitted to board an aircraft you don't own is a constitutional right? In Sept. 2001, permitting the wrong people to board an aircraft led to far more death and destruction than any case of allowing the wrong person to bear arms ever has. (And as you of course know, the latter does happen to be an explicit constitutional right.)
It is possible to construct criteria for getting onto the no-fly list that can be applied equally to all persons. Therefore, the existence of a no-fly list is not necessarily a violation of the "all men are created equal" principle in the Declaration.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
...can be found here: http://www.breitbart.com/londo...
"He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children." 9 children between the two of them. Wow! They have been very busy, haven't they.
This is happening because the places without a long standing USA army base are getting bombed by war planes that take off from places with a long standing USA army base...
Very uncool USA... Fuck, they just going for a holiday...
Yes, and the new government that was elected by the people asked the US to leave, they were then overrun by Daesh.
Daesh being led by senior military figures in the Iraq army that the US cleverly disbanded.
That's not how democracy works.
You can't just take people that only lived under a dictatorship, send them to vote, and then say that they are responsible for the outcome.
I live in a country with a long tradition of democracy (not in the seventies) and strong political parties. Of course I am responsible for the guys in office.
In Irak, they are only partially resposible for whatever came out of the polls. More responsible are the guys who killed the dictator with the supposed intention to replace him with something better. That seldom works. What happened was exactly what was feared by those who opposed military action.
I think this is the most probable outcome when you just destroy a government from the outside, democratic or otherwise. It has some characteristics in common to what happened in Central America when the US used to throw more of their their weight around. Chaos and mayhem. Extremists thrive in that environment, for fun or for profit.
Gun-boy? WTF makes you think I am someone with lots of guns? I don't own a single gun, but I defend the rights of everyone in the US to own one. I defend the First amendment, and seem to understand the fourth better than many around here, does that make me Speech-Boy, or Religion-boy? It does seem to make people think I am in love with NSA, but that is mainly that I can read and understand the fourth amendment, whereas many here think that the fourth prevents even legal warranted searches.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Cuba is a first world utopia?
I'm offering a $1,000,000 reward to anyone who can find a comment on this article that actually relates to the article's content.
Cubans have longer life expectancy than the US, though both are lower than most European countries
They were flying to Los Angeles on a trip to visit Disneyworld.
Looks like they were just trying to save the family a little trouble since Disneyworld is located in Florida.
'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
Nothing like planning on taking a trip by airplane and once you get to the airport being told you won't be flying. You ask why and the only thing they can tell you is you are on the no-fly list but cannot tell you why you are deemed a threat to national security and cannot be allowed to fly. It sounds like one of the family members happened to have a similar name to someone on the no-fly list and as a result of this stupid list, they cannot fly. You can challenge this but chances are you will be in an uphill battle since you have no idea why you are on this list in the first place and they cannot tell you because it's "classified". They are spared the disappointment of going to Disneyland but I'm sure that Disneyland wasn't the only thing planned for during their trip to the United States.
Good grief, someone sensible on Slashdot. It's quite odd since most of you are atheists, that you tolerate religious morons.
"I'd imagine that they'd like our government out of their countries." Which is no reason to let them into the US. The US is in their countries BECAUSE they keep invading. And I don't see Americans going over there and trying to change their laws.
According to David Wood, there are three stages of Islamic Jihad (posted at YouTube as
Title: "Three Stages of Jihad"
Author: Acts17Apologetics
Date: January 1, 2012
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
View count: 386,451
)
Stage 1: Stealth Jihad
Stage 2: Defensive Jihad
Stage 3: Offensive Jihad.
1) Stealth Jihad.
Wood (https://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw?t=2m46s): When Muslims are completely outnumbered and can't possibly win a physical confrontation with unbelievers, they are commanded to promote "peace" with non-Muslims and to preach a message of " tolerance". For instance, when Mohammed and his followers were a persecuted minority in Mecca, they criticized the beliefs of the polytheists, but they did so peacefully. The revelations Mohammed received during this time proclaimed a future judgement from believers; Allah will ONE Day punish those who reject Mohammed , but in the mean time, to each his own, "Live and let live; co-exist":
Wood (https://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw?t=3m44s) Muslims in the West point to passages like this as evidence that Islam is inherently peaceful. But we know from Muslim sources that while Mohammed was calling for religious tolerance in Mecca, he was already planning to conquer the world in the name of Allah. He even tried to lure Pagans to Islam by promising them victory over the non-Arabs.
Wood: (https://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw?t=4m57s ) "Think about this for a moment. Mohammed is walking around Mecca calling for peace and tolerance. But behind closed doors, he tells the entourage, join me and we'll rule over the non-Arabs, Jews, Christians, Persians, etc. These groups aren't attacking Mohammed at all and he's already planning to conquer them. What does he need in order to subjugate the non-Muslims? He needs an army. And so he asks his tribe to convert to Islam. Now how many times have we seen Muslim groups in the world today calling for tolerance in public, but saying something very different in private? It goes back to Mohammed.
Wood: ([https://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw?t=5m34s] One of the key features of Stage One is "taqiyya" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya ): concealing Islam's true intentions in order to protect the Muslim community. This was eventually made explicit in Sura 3:28 :
Wood (https://youtu.be/ERou_Q5l9Gw?t=6m2s) : "Muslims aren't allowed to be friends with non-Muslims unless they are outnumbered and they feel like they are in danger from a stronger advers
Your Beliefs Doesn't Make You A Better Person, Your Behavior Does.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
Casteism
Since 1971 OPEC colluded and pegged/selling crude oil exclusively in US$, resulting in friction between Islam and the West;
http://www.zerohedge.com/print...
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Mohammad Tariq Mahmood and his family were probably prevented from boarding a plane to Disneyland at Gatwick airport last week because a Facebook page linked to his address contained positive references to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and because his brother was previously prevented from entering Israel,
http://www.businessinsider.com/mohammad-tariq-mahmood-family-kicked-off-plane-to-disneyland-2015-12