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Twitter Bans 'Hateful Conduct' (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Twitter has updated their site rules to prohibit "behavior intended to harass, intimidate, or use fear to silence another user's voice." According to the new rules, "You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease." This follows criticism that Twitter (and other social networks) haven't done enough to prevent the ramblings of the Islamic State and other terrorist groups. "Tuesday's announcement did not disclose changes to Twitter's enforcement strategy. A company spokesman declined to say if any were in the works. The new rules also said that Twitter might respond to reports that somebody is considering 'self-harm' by contacting the person to express concern and provide contact information to mental health practitioners."

492 comments

  1. FTFY... by x0ra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Twitter ban 'dissenting political opinions'.

    1. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish I had mod points for you.

    2. Re:FTFY... by schizrade4954 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      x1000 SJWs rejoice, now they can muzzle any and all opponents by crying "hate speech".

    3. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease"

      I don't see "political views" listed there. Also,

      "You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people"

      This is not a political viewpoint. Kill them is never a political viewpoint, its an irrational response to irrational actions. What you said is cute but ultimately incorrect and highly misleading. Should we advocate killing you for it? Of course not, that would be irrational.

      Should Twitter have such a policy in place? Honestly it smacks of censorship. Being an American, even though I do not care for such speech, I do believe they have the right to say such things. Hiding them, punishing them for them, only serves to make them appear the victim, to appear repressed, and to sway others to their side when they complain about it. It is better to let them spew their hatred and turn others away with the obviousness of it rather than hiding it.

    4. Re:FTFY... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems you live in an alternate reality where SJWs are on the side of good. They are not. Any movement or political thought that seeks to ban free speech is the enemy of all of civilization.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    5. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter ban 'dissenting political opinions'.

      No shit:

      You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease.

      Conspicuous by its absence: one's beliefs.

    6. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SJWs have no honor.

    7. Re:FTFY... by fche · · Score: 1

      On the bright side, in their full "The Twitter Rules" article, there is a separate bullet for "Violent threats (direct or indirect): You may not make threats of violence or promote violence, including threatening or promoting terrorism." Seems to subsume the "hateful conduct ..." bullet, but I'm not a lawyer, merely a reasonably logical person.

      On the dark side, they don't define "targeted abuse or harassment". Of course this will be misused to abuse and harass people.

    8. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, we all hate it when other people disagree with us. So to be safe, maybe we should just ban all speech, period.

      Better yet, just shut down Twitter altogether. Only way to be sure.

      --
      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    9. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like one of the toxic morons who derp out their hatred of civilized people on Twitter. Far too many of the easily-misled Conservatives have been turned into deranged wingnuts by far-right-wing blogs, hate-radio, and Fox propaganda.

    10. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that label SJW, is regarded as a badge of honor by most of the civilized world.

      Really? Why do they get so worked up when people apply it to them then? LOL

      Peddle your narrative elsewhere, "Sarge", cuz' we ain't buying.

    11. Re:FTFY... by truck_soccer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Only in America is being a good and decent person considered a negative trait.

    12. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SJW is not a good word or badge of honor. It is a dirty word. It is synonymous with condoning racism, sexism, etc., just as long as it is directed at white males.

    13. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone disagrees with you, so he's now magically a member of the aryan brotherhood and lives in the 1950s... Found the SJW. Maybe one day you'll see what a bigot you're being.

    14. Re:FTFY... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Twitter ban 'dissenting political opinions'.

      So Iran teaching it's schoolchildren to chant 'Death to America' is a 'dissenting political opinion' and you're OK with it, then? So-called 'Islamic state' assholes tweeting about cutting off people's heads is a 'dissenting political opinion'?

      --
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    15. Re:FTFY... by Stolovaya · · Score: 0

      If you had said social activist, then yes. A SJW is the extremist version. They want censorship, claim that they fight bigotry while themselves are bigots, and are prime examples of the word "hypocrite".

    16. Re:FTFY... by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      LOL SJW actually means over priviledged crybaby.

    17. Re:FTFY... by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone disagrees with you, so he's now magically a member of the aryan brotherhood and lives in the 1950s... Found the SJW. Maybe one day you'll see what a bigot you're being.

      Introspection is not part of the SJW mentality. Matter of fact they are probably mutually exclusive.

    18. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An outright ban? Maybe it'd be better to hide offending posts in the same way mods here can mod us down to negative one.

    19. Re:FTFY... by x0ra · · Score: 2

      "race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease" *are* political views...

    20. Re:FTFY... by dywolf · · Score: 0

      Quoted for emphasis because you apparently didn't even read the summary before rushing to post your ignorant comment.

      You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease."

      Yeah no.
      Bigotry is not a 'dissenting political opinion' and you're a fool for even suggesting such.
      Though even more foolish are the idiots who modded you up.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    21. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure you understand that what you think of as an attack on other people, that label SJW, is regarded as a badge of honor by most of the civilized world.

      It's like someone calling me by my former rank of Sergeant and thinking that it's a dis. It's not.

      Hi, I've been living under a rock. I had to google what "SJW" was. It's not a badge of honor. It's a pejorative term. Going back to my rock now.

    22. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hate speech! Microaggression! I'm reporting you to Dice!

    23. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only in America is being a good and decent person considered a negative trait.

      http://www.christianexaminer.c...

      Oh good decent, advocating "Kill Whitey"

    24. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so being openly hateful to straight white males for being straight white males is considered "being a good and decent person"?

    25. Re:FTFY... by dywolf · · Score: 0

      you act as though you live in a world where equality and treating others with respect and not attacking them over things like skin color or identity are bad things.

      You can try to mask it by crying 'free speech', but it still it what it is: hatred and bigotry.

      Quit acting like opposing it is evil, and supporting it is somehow right.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    26. Re:FTFY... by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      just an FYI, if you posted this on twitter directed at someone, chances are it would be deleted thanks to the new Twitter policies.

    27. Re:FTFY... by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      That comment would be banned under Twitter's new rules. Heh

    28. Re:FTFY... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 2

      How cute that you think this will only be applied to ISIS. Naivete at its finest.

    29. Re:FTFY... by hey! · · Score: 1

      Their house, their rules. If that makes the bigots vote with their feet, well, then Twitter will have to do without that revenue.

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      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    30. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Iran teaching it's schoolchildren to chant 'Death to America' is a 'dissenting political opinion' and you're OK with it, then?

      Yes. Just as I'm okay with nutjobs in the US spewing shit about turning the entirety of the Middle East into glass.

      Sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending people do not hate will not make hate go away; it's only going to cause you to gasp in completely unwarranted shock when someone shoves a proverbial knife through your equally proverbial gut.

    31. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You sound like one of the toxic morons who derp out their hatred of civilized people on Twitter. Far too many of the easily-misled Liberals have been turned into deranged wingnuts by far-left-wing blogs, hate-radio, and MSNBC propaganda.

      See how easy that is?

    32. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you live in a world where you think you're a majority.

      News flash, you're not. The world is not your artificial 1950s portrayal of an Aryan brotherhood. Try reading a real newspaper.

      Straw man much?

      You're being offensive.

      Please check your privilege.

    33. Re:FTFY... by Desler · · Score: 1

      Were you also dumb enough to believe that the Patriot Act wasn't going to be used for mass surveillance on US citizens? LOL. Yeah, this will start as only targeting "Islamic state assholes" but as history shows, these policies will be abused to go after far more than "duh terrists".

    34. Re:FTFY... by blue9steel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I support others people's right to say things that I despise, that is what free speech is all about.

    35. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease"

      I don't see "political views" listed there. Also,

      Lol, so naive.

      Don't you know that saying "I like Donald Trump" these days is the equivalent of saying "I hate all Muslims" and is therefore a hate crime? Or that going to a feminist rally and holding up a sign that says "I disagree with feminism" creates a hostile environment for women and is therefore not only a hate crime, but also a form gender discrimination and also rape?

      I wish I were joking. That's how far the left that I was once proud to be a part of has sunk in recent years.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    36. Re:FTFY... by Desler · · Score: 1

      Their house, their rules.

      Sure, and the GP never stated otherwise. But as has to be said every time this lame rejoinder is used, that does not put them above being criticized.

    37. Re:FTFY... by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, that's an insane reactionary belief. Whoever put that nonsense in your head is your real enemy, not the people they taught you to hate.

    38. Re:FTFY... by x0ra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      SJW are bad because they try to impose a predefined thought considered "good and righteous" to everybody, everywhere. To this extend, they are no better than Islamist extremist trying to impose Charia to everybody, everywhere.

    39. Re:FTFY... by robkeeney · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just because the minority who thinks being a SJW is a good thing is very loud, louder than the rest of the world, that doesn't make them a majority.

    40. Re:FTFY... by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Bigotry is not a 'dissenting political opinion' and you're a fool for even suggesting such.

      Of course it is. Politics is merely how we all get together to decide to run things without using violence, if there is violence involved we call it other things like terrorism or warfare. The statement "Gingers have no souls and thus should not get full citizenship" is both bigoted and a dissenting political opinion. (not to mention stupid, but it illustrates my point) I support the right of the anti-Ginger movement to disseminate their opinions even if I find them distasteful.

    41. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then you shouldn't call them social justice warriors. Because that means the exact opposite of what you just described. Being ironic is funny, but only when you're telling jokes.

    42. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      lol sjw are bad because i saw it on an internet forum

      No, SJW's are bad because they get people kicked out their colleges, fired from their jobs, and even imprisoned simply for expressing opinions that disagree with their own radical ideology.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    43. Re:FTFY... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Troll

      Only in America is being a good and decent person considered a negative trait.

      https://www.salon.com/2015/11/...

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    44. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, just shut down Twitter altogether. Only way to be sure.

      Sounds reasonable. Let's do it.

    45. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and that saying "Gamers (the marketing concept) are dead" is like saying "Anyone who plays computer games is a fascist jerk and is hitler and likes poopy" AMIRITE?

      Hey, let's protest by trying to hound a depression sufferer to suicide because she once had a relationship with a journalist who never reviewed any of the games she wrote.

    46. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social Jackass Windbags...

    47. Re:FTFY... by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

      So apparently you didn't actually read and/or comprehend a single word in my comment. Congratulations?

    48. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It deeply saddens me to see that the liberal movement that I once supported is now actively arguing against the very right to free speech that we used to champion.

      You're using the very same arguments that the far-right used to use to try to silence us. The "There are some people who citizens simply shouldn't be allowed to criticize" argument is the very same one we used to hear when we criticized the President or the government.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    49. Re:FTFY... by kheldan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How cute that you think this will only be applied to ISIS. Naivete at its finest.

      Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you live in the United States of Twitter, and that what the administrators of that site do is what you live and die by! Twitter is a business not a country. They can create and enforce any rules for using their FREE service that they want, and it doesn't infringe on your 1st Amendment rights whatsoever, you can always go somewhere else -- or is your life so sadly limited that without Twitter you'll wither away and die? If so then I pity you. Otherwise you can always 'vote with your keyboard' and NOT use Twitter at all, and furthermore express your opinions of their rules directly to Twitter's management, which I'd recommend instead of whinging and whining about it on Slashdot.

      --
      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    50. Re:FTFY... by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Up until recently, 'civilized' included things like respect for everyone's free speech, not just those with the 'correct' opinions.

    51. Re:FTFY... by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Nor is it the times of slavery. Sample some current reality sometime.

    52. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I love the fact that you assert that the people who disagree with you are expressing "hatred of civilized people," no less, while arguing that you yourself are taking the sane high-road and making the civilized argument. I'm not sure if this parody is intentional or just the result of an extreme lack of self-awareness. But either way, thanks for putting a smile on my face.

      I wonder if Nazi's ever criticized communists for being too heavy-handed? I like to hope they did, just for my own amusement.

    53. Re:FTFY... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I support the right of the anti-Ginger movement to disseminate their opinions even if I find them distasteful.

      Sure, but how much money are you prepared to spend to give them a platform?

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    54. Re:FTFY... by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      No it wouldn't because it doesn't criticize a protected caste.

    55. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your personal definition of sjw is irrelevant. His definition of the term is the one in use. A sjw is someone pushing progressive social politics in an unyielding, uncompromising way.

    56. Re:FTFY... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Nor is it the times of slavery. Sample some current reality sometime.

      I see you don't eat shrimp. Slavery is alive and well and not gone at all.

      --
      -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
    57. Re:FTFY... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What Social Injustice Enthusiasts call "SJWs" are not actually some cabal of activists, but an anthropomorphism of the societal consequences that free speech may carry. Social Injustice Enthusiasts want special immunity from these consequences.

      For some reason SIEs perceive the greater consequences in recent times, where both the targeted group and non-targeted groups get involved at a massive scale, as a completely separate phenomenon to boycotts and shunning in the past where only the targeted group and a small core of non-targeted supporters were involved, and as such carried lesser consequences.

      BTW, "SJW" is just the modern, general-purpose descendant of "nigger-lover." Mark my words.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    58. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it just makes them right.

    59. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad thing is that we have a whole drove of people who are willing to scream "bigot" at the drop of a hat and even if the person isn't a bigot they are by-and-large responsible for proving it to others.
       
      This tool of false social sympathy will doubtlessly be used on Twitter.

    60. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure you understand that what you think of as an attack on other people, that label SJW, is regarded as a badge of honor by most of the civilized world.

      Louis XIV's France was civilized. Imperial Britain was civilized. Nazi Germany was civilized. The latter also had written "social justice" on its banners.

      Thanks, but I prefer my country uncivilized and as free of social justice warriors as possible.

    61. Re:FTFY... by lactose99 · · Score: 0

      Free speech is lovely, and so are its consequences.

      --
      Fully licensed blockchain psychiatrist
    62. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You still OK with your completely unfettered Freedom of Speech?

      Yes, now fuck off.

    63. Re:FTFY... by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      Says the anonymous coward

      --
      Fully licensed blockchain psychiatrist
    64. Re:FTFY... by Your.Master · · Score: 0

      There is no organization "SJW".

      Somebody who fights for justice, including social justice, is pretty much good by the definition of justice. SJW was originally an ironic term applied to somebody who was frothing at the mouth over an issue that they didn't really understand or truly care about; a kind of Internet troll that wasn't really fighting for justice. But it's come to be the case that when people see anybody advocating for any sort of justice, whether completely legitimately or misguided with their hearts in the right place, they associate them via the label "SJW" to kicking random people out of colleges. That's an absurdity. Twitter is not kicking people out of colleges. Injustice is not a universally good thing.

      When you talked about kicking people out of college on a thread about twitter going too far on social justice you have performed a new sort of Godwin. It's an enormous escalation.

    65. Re:FTFY... by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      This is literally rape.

    66. Re:FTFY... by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      ..and you act as though that's actually what's being done in the name of 'social justice.' It's not.

      You can mask it by crying 'oppression', but it still is what it is: hatred and bigotry.

      Quit acting like opposing it is evil, and supporting it is somehow right.

    67. Re:FTFY... by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      No.

      But this was about twitter's moderation policy, not about supporting open bigotry. Classic changing the subject. Twitter is not the Nation of Islam.

    68. Re:FTFY... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, those damn SJWs:

      Their hypervigilant drive to hunt down any topic that, using the most tenuous of tangents, can be bent, crammed or shoe-horned into an excuse to make a screed against those that disagree with them
      Their logical fallacies of calling those that disagree with them bigots whilst casting broad aspersions on generalized groups of people
      Their false equation of somebody calling them out on their shitty opinions as an attack on free speech
      Their desperate need to frame everything as being somehow discriminatory against them and make themselves the center of victim attention of the moment

      I applaud your courage and urge everyone to help fight them at every turn by:

      Having a hypervigilant drive to hunt down any topic that, using the most tenuous of tangents, can be bent, crammed or shoe-horned into an excuse to make a screed against them
      Using logical fallacies of calling them bigots whilst casting broad aspersions on generalized groups of people
      Promoting the false equation of being calling out on our shitty opinions as an attack on free speech
      Desperately trying to frame everything as being somehow discriminatory against us white males and making ourselves the center of victim attention of the moment

      God willing, in time, we will forge a bold new world free of those prejudiced fuckwits just looking for excuses to attack a group of people rather than considering the true merit and victims of every social issue without the pathetic cop-out of simply conflating it with said group of hated people and dashing off an insulting comment against them. Once they have all been silenced, only then can we have true discourse and freedom of speech, because logic.

    69. Re:FTFY... by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Social Justice Warriors are followers of Neo-Marxist ideology. Any sane person should oppose that bullshit.

      Furthermore, opposition to SJWs and Neo-Marxists can hardly be called "reactionary", because that would imply that SJWs and Neo-Marxists already define the status quo in our society. Reactionaries is what countries call liberals and conservatives after socialist and communist revolutions.

    70. Re:FTFY... by dywolf · · Score: 1

      (you can sock puppet it all you want. but you comment still has nothing to do with the actual posted summary)

      Quoted for emphasis because you apparently didn't even read the summary before rushing to post your ignorant comment.

      You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease."

      Yeah no.
      Bigotry is not a 'dissenting political opinion' and you're a fool for even suggesting such.
      Though even more foolish are the idiots who modded you up.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    71. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just because a position is reactionary does not mean it is wrong (or right). ..or maybe the slashdot crowd is rightfully criticizing irrational double standards.

    72. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone that attacks the person making a statement instead of the statement itself needs to stop using logical fallacies to promote their agenda.

    73. Re:FTFY... by dywolf · · Score: 1

      if you cant compose a dissenting opinion without "threatening other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease." then you have issues you need to work on, and calling it a "dissenting opinion" is honestly giving it far too much credibility and consideration. in fact, I rather say its cowardice, a means of hiding your bigotry behind the shield of free speech or 'well that just my opinion'.

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    74. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I support others people's right to say things that I despise, that is what free speech is all about.

      Not being argumentative here, but isn't Twitter a private company, that can make any rules they want? This new policy doesn't remove your ability to go protest, print pamphlets, talk to people on the street. I'm not saying it's a great idea on the part of Twitter, but as cliché as it might sounds, you're not forced to use it, and it's only one (privately owned and controlled) method of communicating with people.

    75. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ, you absolutely obliterated that strawman you created to look slightly similar to your opponent's argument!

      Unfortunately, it looks like none of that same post has any relevance to the actual argument at hand. Better luck next time, I suppose. After all, when you're a braindead retard, arguing is not unlike rolling dice.

    76. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody "put that in our heads" rather we've seen the duplicitous behavior of people who self-righteously put down others for faults they share.

      We've seen the ugly prejudices of those who claim to be above them. Those who actually believe in social justice aren't eager to pick fights with people.

      This is why SJW is such a dirty word, because people looking for fights to prove themselves morally superior to others are trash.

    77. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      By the way, since there is a chance that you are merely confused, "Social Justice Warriors" doesn't just mean that people want equal treatment of women or homosexuals, or that they want to end racism. If that's what you want, say so, but don't call yourself a "Social Justice Warrior".

      If you identify as a "Social Justice Warrior", people will assume that you believe in critical theory and Neo-Marxism, and if you do that, they are justified in telling you to go fuck yourself and calling you names.

    78. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i would support banning "all political opinions", or at least shadowbanning them to their own private echo chamber. i'm pretty sure when you die, that echo chamber really exists, and is one of the circles of hell.

    79. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      When you talked about kicking people out of college on a thread about twitter going too far on social justice you have performed a new sort of Godwin.

      Well, I guess we'll see, won't we? But I'd be willing to bet that some of the same prominent voices on the far-left calling for people to be fired from their jobs, thrown off campus, etc. for not toeing the leftist line will be the same ones calling for Twitter users who don't toe the leftist line to be banned as well. Seems a pretty logical extension of an already existing, organized, and very vocal movement.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    80. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Introspection is not part of the anti-SJW mentality. Matter of fact, they are usually mutually exclusive.

      Anti-SJW being practically everyone using the term "SJW" in earnest.

      Seriously, Crashmarik, have you no capacity for self-examination to notice the usage of the term SJW?

    81. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Harrison Bergeron says you are wrong.

    82. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost 2016: Using the word 'strawman' for any reason whatsoever

      ..and that, boys and girls, is how you know you're seeing the verbal diarrhea of a brain-dead Internet troll; someone who has no life and no relevance to anything in the Real World, and only exists in a sad, sad half-life of shitposting on Internet discussion forums. Please give today to the branch of your local charity that scoops up these poor, pitiful creatures, spays or neuters them, then releases them into privately-funded colonies, where they're fed and kept healthy for the rest of their days, with no risk of unwanted reproductive activity! Truly, it's the best for them, and the best for society! Give today!

      If only.

    83. Re:FTFY... by truck_soccer · · Score: 0

      That really put it into perspective. Excellent.

    84. Re:FTFY... by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

      Again, you didn't read what I typed. If you did, get a new brain.

    85. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do we do when all public space is privately owned? What becomes of rights then?

    86. Re:FTFY... by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      You lefties love to abuse words like 'reactionary' and 'problematic' don't you? You love twisting yourselves into knots trying to simultaneously fight against oppression for some while imposing it on others. My favorite is 'argument from privilege'. The more supposed 'privilege' someone has, the less valid their arguments they might make against the inequities you want to impose on them under the guise of 'equality'.

    87. Re:FTFY... by Chas · · Score: 1

      At least in their own, bent little perception of reality.

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      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    88. Re:FTFY... by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      LOL Why yes I do.

    89. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Salon is a piece of trash that even promote paedophiles (sorry I mean pedosexuals, the correct term used by salon.com). Citing them do nothing to help your cause.

      Also homosexual is a protected class, white is not. Do you see the difference?

      #KillAllFags is trivial non-sense from retard.

      #KillAllWhite is dangerous hate speech from a racist.

      I don't care about either speech. I got confirmation bias and I tent to ignore idiots that I disagree with. But I do believe idiots have the right to speak their mind. That include you, my intellectually challenged friend. Peace.

    90. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What Social Injustice Enthusiasts call "SJWs" are not actually some cabal of activists, but an anthropomorphism of the societal consequences that free speech may carry. Social Injustice Enthusiasts want special immunity from these consequences.

      Wow, that is the most polite, erudite justification for the active persecution of dissenters that I've ever seen.

      That would have been really useful back in the 1960's, when certain people were also learning that free speech has consequences. "What civil rights activists call "racists" are not actually some cabal of activists, but an anthropomorphism of the societal consequences that free speech may carry. Civil rights activists want special immunity from these consequences." Man that sounds so much better and more civilized than "If those niggers try one of their commie sit-ins in this town, we're going to string them up from the trees." Those Citizen Councils would have been well-served to have you on-board as a writer.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    91. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The laws of logic will not change in the year 2016, so you'll just have to deal with people pointing out the faulty logic put forth by other people.

      kheldan's post was just one huge straw man.

    92. Re:FTFY... by Chas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Going out of your way to get someone fired/arrested/expelled isn't a "consequence".

      It's you being a complete dick to someone who happens to not believe the same thing as you do.

      PERIOD.

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      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    93. Re:FTFY... by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      which is a non sequitur that not justify censoring criticism of hypocritical policies.

    94. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think they're above being criticized, but I don't think they can reasonably be criticized for this on libertarian grounds, because this is a private service run for the benefit of the corporation's stockholders. Nor do I think they can be criticized on civil rights grounds, because it's not a limitation on who can use the service, only on the kinds of things anyone can use their service for -- things which, by the way, can be done in plenty of other places.

      So what grounds are left for criticizing Twitter on this? Just this: it makes the service less useful to you. And that's a legitimate gripe for you. Other people have no reason to care about the inconvenience to you, although if any of your rights had actually been violated that'd be a different story.

      This is just like a restaurant requiring its patrons to wear dress shoes and business attire. It may inconvenience you if you want to eat in cutoff shorts and sandals, but so what? Eat somewhere else if that's a deal breaker. Sure it's your right to dress as you like, but it's not your right to dress as you like on someone else's property.

    95. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who exactly are you? Lactose99 certainly is not your real name.

    96. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I just found the fat smelly basement dweller who actually thought his crude sexist jokes were funny, and finally got so terminally butthurt over being rejected over and over again by women that he jumped on the 'all women are whores' bandwagon because otherwise he'd have to slit his wrists and die from the knowledge he's completely irrelevant and no one will EVER love him. Or are you the perennial racist/bigot who thinks all blacks are worthless and should be exterminated, along with the Mexicans, and all brown people? Oh, wait, no reason you can't be both! Do you post all day long on 4chan/pol/? Probably.

      You SJW's always engage in such respectful and civilized debate. Hard to believe that anyone believes that silly stereotype that SJW's routinely resort to vile slanderous accusations and personal attacks against their ideological opponents to silence them, rather than face them in the market of open ideas.

    97. Re:FTFY... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he mad.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    98. Re:FTFY... by Sparowl · · Score: 2

      The problem very quickly becomes "what is disrespectful" and "what is protected speech, despite being distasteful".

      Free speech, and freedom in general, is accepting that the people around you may say and do things that you dislike. Because, in return, you may say and do things that others dislike. For instance, I disagree with you, but I'm not calling for you to be unable to continue speaking. I'm simply disagreeing with you.

      When we silence the voice of dissent, we end up with sad conformity, which benefits very few.

    99. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      "Free speech is lovely, and so are its consequences."
                                                              --Every Oppressive Dictator Ever

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    100. Re:FTFY... by x0ra · · Score: 2

      Life is tough all over, cupcake. Equality is a myth.

    101. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to be shitting me. Your gender is a political view? What the fuck?

    102. Re:FTFY... by taustin · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. When a liberal wants to use any means necessary to silence political, religion, or any opinion they disagree with, it is hatred and bigotry, of the most dangerous kind.

      It's the silent, invisible "that we disagree with" at the end of their list of banned speech that's disagreeable, because it's always there. It's inherent to all web for a that someone owns it, and controls what goes there.

      And in the end, banning speech you disagree with on a private web site is free speech. It's their web site, they can make it suck throbbing purple donkey dick in any way they want.

    103. Re:FTFY... by taustin · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true (and obedient) SJW . . .

    104. Re:FTFY... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Haha so boycotts and legal, nonviolent shunning are the same as racially-motivated violence to you? And then you imply that expressed opinions are equivalent to race, again suggesting that you should have special protection from the consequences of this speech - just like we protect people from racial discrimination. But opinions are not like ethnicity. You can safely change them or keep them private. That's why we don't treat opinions the same way.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    105. Re:FTFY... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      So is a crime-free world, but it doesn't keep us from trying to get as close as we can.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    106. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that were the truth, SJWs wouldn't be as universally hated. Indeed... Most are absolutely fine with oppression, regression, abuse of women and minority classes, so long as this isn't being perpetuated by Caucasian males. Everyone else? Go for it.

      I hope they all get culturally enriched.

    107. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It deeply saddens me that so many people still have no idea what the right to free speech actually protects you from....

    108. Re:FTFY... by ctid · · Score: 1

      Straw man much?

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      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    109. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was boring, very derivative, and just plain dumb. 2/10 try harder next time.

    110. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then you have issues you need to work on

      Yet, hate speech against men and whites is common and widespread among the left wing Twitterati, and Twitter is doing nothing about it.

      Of course, Twitter has become such an echo chamber now that these people actually believe they are more than a lunatic fringe.

    111. Re:FTFY... by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 2

      Tell me...

      Am I treating others with respect when I infantilize people through speech; am I treating them as equal? Why are only skin color and identity only taboo when criticizing others? People are routinely regarded as stupid, even though IQ is mostly genetic, i.e. beyond their control.

      Can you name a single instance where hatred and bigotry were reduced through the adoption of speech codes? I can point to several instances of the opposite, where free and open dialogue brought people to a better understanding of each other.

      The biggest problem with speech codes is it masks the symptoms, but does nothing towards a cure, not to mention it supposes only very ridged framework of interaction monitored by more enlightened moral enforcers, which is patronizing in the extreme.

      That's a pretty far cry from "equality".

    112. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You live in a fantasy land. We have people who openly preach the killing of whites and are shrugged off as misunderstood but we also have whites who mention immigrants in a bad light and get thrown down as racists openly by big media.
       
      So shove your lies up your asshole.
       
      I really have the political side of all this bullshit but I'm starting to think about voting squarely against your lying agenda.

    113. Re:FTFY... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the persecution of the white male by 'SJWs' in today's society is totally a real, tangible thing that is ruining lives through systemic oppression and causing us to live in fear of physical violence and death. It is, isn't it? I mean I don't read the news much - I just assumed, based on how everybody is losing their goddamn minds over it. Otherwise no sane human would try to draw an analogy between being berated/banned online because popular opinion is tired of your assholery and the very real, credible threat of fucking lynching black people, which (and again I don't pay much attention here so I could be way off base) I do believe actually fucking happened, you know, IRL. Nice, real nice. For your next act might I suggest you try to really illustrate the gravity of the terrible injustice being perpetrated on you via internet comments and all those mean people on TV, and go for something involving brown shirts and gas chambers?

      I usually try for a more satirical, humorous approach to combating vile idiocy, but this is just a bridge too far. Fuck you, dude. Seriously. Fuck you.

    114. Re:FTFY... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Let me ask you a simple question. Can you separate what you are from what you think?

      Be careful how you answer. Because the very same logic you can use to get people fired for "hate" can be used to get you fired for who you are. After all, if you're "gay" you are just thinking "wrong". It is more than just being "gay", it is even having "gay thought" (or fill in whatever other thing you are/think.

      Bigotry is a dangerous road to go down. Anything that isn't viewed as normalized "thinking" is "bigotry" to someone else. Militant Gay Activists are bigots against Christians, simply for being who they are.

      I picked gay, not because I am a bigot against gay people, but rather because being gay has VERY little to do with biology (or so I've been told). AND if it did have to do with biology, it would be a biological defect (like Downs Syndrome). Again, not that it matters.

      The point being is that I find it very difficult for who want to stifle speech, because it doesn't fit the current narrative. Being gay was once treated that way, and now you're actively promoting the very same thing. The thing of it is, you probably don't even know you're doing it, even after I've explained it.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    115. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you act as though you live in a world where equality and treating others with respect and not attacking them over things like skin color or identity are bad things.

      They are good things. Unfortunately, SJWs do not treat others with respect, and SJWs do attack others over "things" like skin color and identity. That is exactly why people find SJWs so offensive. And I'm saying that as a gay man.

      Quit acting like opposing it is evil, and supporting it is somehow right.

      You should take that to heart. Unfortunately, you and people like you are deluding yourselves that you are on the side of good because you have good intentions.

    116. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haha so boycotts and legal, nonviolent shunning are the same as racially-motivated violence to you?

      Trying to get people fired from their jobs, kicked out of universities, and even arrested goes way beyond a little civilized disagreement, and well into "persecution."

      again suggesting that you should have special protection from the consequences of this speech - just like we protect people from racial discrimination.

      Yes, that is ABSOLUTELY what I'm saying (if by "consequences" you mean "persecution"). I'm not sure what country you're from. But in the United States we do, in fact, have clear protections in both cases. Both the right to free speech and protection from racial discrimination are considered "civil rights" that all U.S. citizens enjoy (along with freedom of religion, freedom to assemble and many others).

      again suggesting that you should have special protection from the consequences of this speech

      Should a conservative be able to tell his or her employees that there will be "consequences" if any of them ever publicly supports any pro-homosexual cause? It's a private company so they don't deserve any special protection from "consequences," right? Something like: "You know, you boys are technically free to support those evil faggots trying to take our way of life away all you want--just so long as you understand there are going to be, you know, consequences...You boys understand that, right, that if you ever speak up for those queers there will be some consequences?" Some people (like me) might call that a case of an employer threatening his employees with persecution for exercising their right of free speech. But I guess a wise man like YOU recognizes that he's just warning his employees that there will be consequences for exercising certain forms of free speech.

      But opinions are not like ethnicity.

      Again, yeah they are. Both are important protected civil rights in the United States.

      You can safely change them or keep them private.

      LOL, so you're seriously arguing that we should be able to persecute anyone we want to for anything they can CHANGE? "Hey, I don't like the political party you're in asshole! Change it now or I'm going to get you fired from your job!!" Bloody hell!

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    117. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not being argumentative here, but isn't Twitter a private company, that can make any rules they want?

      Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that they are censorious and limiting free speech on their platform. That is, what they are doing is legal, but that doesn't place it above criticism.

      but as cliché as it might sounds, you're not forced to use it,

      I stopped using Twitter a few years ago, as it became increasingly an echo chamber for left wing ideologues and zealots and increasingly intolerant of other opinions. It's still good to point out why Twitter is failing so that other platforms can avoid spiraling down the same drain.

    118. Re:FTFY... by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      the problem with this is, everybody is all fine with it until they themselves step in shit.

      the fucking precursors to this movement. The professors and activists of yesteryear are actually afraid to speak about the issues that they've been working on behalf of for the better part of a couple decades. Because the emotional safety is more important than actual intent... and context often doesn't fit in 140 characters.

      slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/06/07/about-that-hate-crime-i-committed-at-university-of-chicago
      dan savage, getting called out for using 'tranny' in a forum he was invited to discussing his struggles in re-appropriating language. the looking glass is very real.

      there's a real undercurrent of fear, the older progressive generation is paralyzed by fear of stepping on a landmine nobody but the fucking landmine knew was there. And claiming ignorance is a fucking "trigger" in itself.

      social justice is good, equality is good, but people need the fucking freedom to be wrong. It's not about speech immunity, it's about being able to make a dumb joke, "to be human", without losing one's life.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02...

      because you might indeed be the next one, stepping on a landmine nobody else saw either.

    119. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because the persecution of the white male by 'SJWs' in today's society is totally a real, tangible thing that is ruining lives

      Yep. SJW's have successfully pressured universities to kick out students. SJW critics have been fired from their jobs and disparaged over the internet to the point where they were unemployable. And they've even been arrested and imprisoned for false charges trumped up by SJW's. SJW's do not fuck around when dealing with critics. Just ask Thunderf00t (a prominent atheist and science advocate on Youtube) about all the times feminists have tried to get him fired from his university job after he criticized the feminist invasion of the atheist movement.

    120. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It deeply saddens me that so many people still have no idea what the right to free speech actually protects you from....

      Well, I can tell you that it sure used to not protect us against employers firing us for exercising our free speech rights, or from persecution by the local community for supporting civil rights, or from being arrested on false charges for attending a civil rights rally. We had to fight hard to get those kinds of protections--some with new laws, some with court cases, some with social changes.

      Now this new generation is trying to reverse all that work, saying it's okay to persecute--just as long as it's *US* doing the persecuting. That is NOT what I fought for. I didn't march for the right just to flip the fucking tables and persecute the right instead of the left. That just makes *US* the assholes now.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    121. Re:FTFY... by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

      And yet, nothing you wrote refuted the comment.

    122. Re:FTFY... by NotDrWho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, and FUCK YOU right back, kid--for co-opting the liberal movement that I used to stand with and turning it into something just as oppressive and mean-spirited as the right-wing assholes who used to throw rocks at us. Thanks for taking a movement about equality and decency and turning it into a movement that just reversed who's doing the oppressing.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    123. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 0

      Unlike you, I RTFS. On Twitter, I now cannot try to incite violence against you because you're in one of a set of classes. I still can incite (according to Twitter's rules) on the grounds that I don't like you personally.

      This, of course, is translated by the sort of person who uses "SJW" into a wild distortion of the truth, assuming this means you can't say anything that someone might find offensive.

      In general, according to my observations, if someone uses "SJW" or "politically correct" as disparaging terms, they want to do something crude or insulting without being criticized for it, and try to do that by discrediting people who might try to stop them.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    124. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Really? It has nothing to do with violence or threats.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    125. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm a liberal, and know a lot of liberals. None of them would argue against the right to free speech. You're cherry-picking news reports and taking them as not only typical but also truthful. I could argue that Republican Presidential candidates are stupid and hateful based on Carson and Trump, similarly.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    126. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having a hypervigilant drive to hunt down any topic that, using the most tenuous of tangents, can be bent, crammed or shoe-horned into an excuse to make a screed against them

      Fuck you you fascist shit. This is motherfucking Slashdot; The geek watering hole. Original, one and only. Your sorry excuses for apologia won't go down so easy here,

      Oh, you thought you could piss all over video games, part of the nerd staple creed, shit all over gaming for three longs months, and that we'd all just maybe forget about it? That we'd be inclined to let you forget about it, let you stop hearing about it, that'd we'd stop reminding you just how badly you done fucked up.

      Let me tell you son, let me tell you a story about, elephants.

    127. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      How many people identify as SJWs? Whenever I see the term, it's an attempt as an insult of someone else, usually not named. Heck, what's the relation between "SJW"s and "Them"?

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    128. Re:FTFY... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 2

      A sjw is someone pushing progressive social politics in an unyielding, uncompromising way.

      Ah, so now we come down to it. It seems then that it has nothing to do with the general concept of pushing politics in an unyielding, uncompromising way, which I think we can all agree makes you an insufferable asshole. It is just code for people who do so and with whom you do not agree, specifically those on the left. So, it is a not-so-clever little piece of Luntz-speak garbage that attempts to reframe a pejorative thought about a subjective opinion (I hate libtards) and turn it into a statement of objective fact (SJWs are bad. Who are SJWs and why are they bad? They are whoever I say they are, and they are bad because they disagree with me). Excellent, I'm glad we cleared that up. Carry on using it everyone - it doesn't in the least make you sound like an idiot when you lob it at somebody and sit back in satisfaction knowing that you have meticulously dismantled all of their arguments with your word of power.

    129. Re:FTFY... by fche · · Score: 1

      "Your gender is a political view?"

      Of course. Read any gender studies literature.

    130. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      At least according to TFS, "I hate all Muslims" would be acceptable.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    131. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What I consider bigotry is often a political opinion. For example, I want discrimination against same-sex couples to stop, including trying to prevent them from marrying. I consider opposition to that to be bigotry. Currently, that's a political opinion, and would affect my decision to vote for or against a politician in an election.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    132. Re:FTFY... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 1

      Rolling for satire...critical miss! I don't need to RTF-anything to know that 'SJW' is a useless term and that people using it should be thoroughly mocked until they decide to form an actual cogent thought. I think(?) we agree, but I honestly can't tell if you mis-read me or if you just replied to the wrong post.

    133. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seriously think that because they are loud they are right? Typical SJW "logic".

    134. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, kinda like those prick SJWs going after people and getting them fired for criticising anything in relation to the overly nazi-ish movement in "feminism", but what it really is is rich white kids trying to use minorities as an excuse to attack and force their own opinions on others.

      Zoe Quinn, Anita, all of them are literally self-admitted trolls doing it for the attention. (Zoe regularly doxxed people in her SA days, I know)
      The only legit mentally broken person of the lot of them is that Brianna Wu person, and probably that meth-head that made the Twitter block-list.

      I believe in equality, and I do want actual equal rights for females. There still aren't in the developed world.
      But FUCK me are our problems trivial compared to areas in north africa and middle east.
      Maybe we should cart these people off to those areas and see if they can fix the problems they have there. Watch as NONE OF THEM will even acknowledge it. They wouldn't even go there if they got PAID to.
      They don't believe in feminism at all, they just want money and attention by trolling minorities and retards falling for their troll.
      FUCKING STOP IT already.
      Yes, we know they have been fucking their way through games journalism, who gives a fuck? Journalism has always been corrupt, no matter what industry you look at. Stop reading shitty journals and the problem quickly vanishes.
      You already brought it to everybodies attention, stop going on about it, dicks.

    135. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to save time typing. 'anti sjw' just use SFSR: Sexually frustrated social retard

    136. Re:FTFY... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 1

      You miss my point. Professional reactionaries/victims of any stripe are idiots. So are people who try reduce this behavior to a single word or acronym, then hurl that around as if everybody has already agreed in each case that they are indeed just being reactionary instead of having a legitimate beef. I think we agree on one of those statements.

      My problem is with the absolutely ridiculous and disgusting comparison you have drawn to justify your argument. Now you have compounded that with the tired fallacy of thinking that because I am not A then I must be B. Argumentatively speaking your hole is getting deeper, and it kinda smells too.

    137. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you kids sure know how to throw tantrums nowadays. Just out of curiosity, what have you done to actively advance free speech other than crying in forums? Nothing? Well, fight for your rights or lose them. Sorry if this is the first time you had to learn life isn't fair.

    138. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its called growing pains.

      long term equality and respect is earned mutually, not "forced" by some governing third party with a fetish for the immediate.

    139. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know the meaning of Literal or Rape?

    140. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly would feel blessed if the worst problem in my life was twitter not letting me say stupid crap anymore. It's funny watching people who have never been oppressed before try so hard to be. I guess if my only life was an echo chamber of nerds blaming women and minorities for stuff and i didn't have any friends I'd probably get a little whacky too. The good news is those people are very often just angry Internet voices and in the real world people are having none of it.

    141. Re:FTFY... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 0

      You know, after reading your other response above I see that your main objection to 'SJW' seems to be the whole getting people fired/doxed/etc thing rather than the whole being very vocal all the time about an issue which may or may not have legitimacy thing that others object to, and that I have your base position wrong (although your sig is certainly no help in discerning this information). Just further evidence that we need to dispense with 'SJW' and go back to talking about issues like reasonable people. Continuing to assume you believe the former, I think there is actually much good debate to be had on the fine line between deserved backlash for speech/actions and persecution. It is a tangle though, so if we are going to discuss it I'd prefer to go beyond hurling acronym labels and look at the merits of each case, but can't now - gotta pick up my son (correct, I am not a millenial).

      Just wanted to clear that up - still think your original post is vile in the extreme. I think you just became my first 'foe'? How exciting!

    142. Re:FTFY... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I usually don't say a whole lot in these threads. I read them and maybe joke with a couple of people who know me, or my online me, well enough to know that I don't really give a shit what's between your legs, who you love, what race you are, and the likes.

      That said, I've noticed a trend...

      You talk about taking responsibility for your own life and that's noble. How about the many others, on the same side that you appear to be on, who are doing the exact opposite? They're not, quite explicitly, taking responsibility for their own life. I've noticed that it's always someone else's fault. It's always the fault of someone else because they didn't get a job, promoted, or the likes.

      Then, when someone does offer criticism, well, there's still no responsibility. They didn't screw up - the person who's calling them on it is a racist, a sexist, a troll, a hateful person, or any one of a number of things.

      Let's keep going with this, shall we?

      The next thing is, well, pretty soon those same people are taking responsibility for other people's lives. If they don't like someone's behavior they try to silence them, they try to defund them, they try to get them fired, they try to take away their livelihood, and more.

      There's no justice here. Wearing that badge, today, and claiming it stands for justice is like wearing the priest's collar and to stand for safe claiming care. They're as much about justice as the Klan was.

      You call it taking responsibility. I call it blaming other people for your incompetence. I call it shirking responsibility and refusing accountability.

      That said, there are some who are actually interested in a fair and equal society. Their names are besmirched by your antics and usurpation of the ideal. Your rhetoric and tactics are tiresome and harmful. History will look back on you, and your ilk, and you will be judged harshly.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    143. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Social justice" is a core concept of critical theory and neo-Marxism. People who follow that ideology have frequently talked about how they are "fighting for social justice", and they themselves chose the noun form of "social justice warrior" (presumably because "social justice fighter" is more ambiguous about whether you are fighting for it or against it).

      The fact that the term has acquired such negative connotations is just a result of (1) the fact that it sounds so arrogant and self-righteous, and (2) that "fighting for social justice" is a concept from Neo-Marxism and critical theory, something a lot of people reject and find offensive. I certainly find it offensive, even though these people claim to fight for my interests (gay man, immigrant, etc.).

      What noun do you suggest people use to refer to the group of people who claim to be "fighting for social justice"?

    144. Re:FTFY... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I spent eight years enlisted in the Marines and had the misfortune of seeing combat where I was required to lay down suppressive fire. That was the entirety of my combat experience and the duration was about 25 minutes but it felt like it lasted for hours. There are sights, sounds, and feelings that I'll never be able to explain to you - I simply don't know how. You poke your head out from behind cover and duck back in.

      You screw up enough courage to do it again and then you move your rifle into position. Maybe you touch off a few rounds, are you ready to take a life? Isn't there another way? This is fucking stupid! But you do it. You sure as fuck don't do it for Mom, Dad, or Fingerfuck Mary back home and you don't even like apple pie. Hell, you barely do it for the ideal of freedom and justice. Mostly you do it because that's your brother next to you, he's got a hole in his arm, and he's crying for his mother but still shooting back.

      No, son... I fought for social justice. These folks are just Puritans with a different set of values. They are not warriors. They are not fighting for justice. I'm not even sure that they're social.

      *sighs* I should know better than to read these threads. I dare say, both sides of this have a few lunatics with a history of bad behavior.

      However, no... The idea that they're warriors is laughable. The justice is unbelievable. The social is debatable. If these folks are your warriors and they are the best sent to represent you on a field of battle then, well... You might want to call up the reserves soon. The tide's already changing and the pendulum swings both ways. Start it swinging at your own peril as the backlash can be damaging.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    145. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or we could just point at you, saves us from using actual words.

    146. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst part is that doing so will only turn the so-called offender against anyone working towards a more just and verdant society. It would make a lot more sense to try and reason with people and provide counter points that can help change their world view instead of further radicalizing someone who was probably a marginalized and minority voice to begin with.

    147. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God bless you. I wish I made a million mod points. This post has literally won the Internet. My faith in humanity and its ability to reason is restored. Sadly, the level of debate typically found on the internet will quickly squash any hope I have in the future within a few moments. You have provided a brief glimmer of light and hope in an otherwise dark social landscape. Please create as many people like you as possible.

    148. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep spinning it, faster sjw faster!

    149. Re:FTFY... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I knew better than to open this thread but... Alas, I'm bored, the missus is out with my kids buying me something with my money and that means I'm stuck with you guys. Or, alternatively, you're stuck with me. Whichever way you want to look at it.

      I'm reminded of a few things but one of the more interesting was GitHub and their Code of Conduct. They, for one - and you can find many examples, asserted that they would not be taking action when "reverse" racism or harassment occurred. The reason given was that those who were in a position of privilege could not be harmed.

      Yes the claim was, the person in a position of privilege could not be harmed. That is more or less verbatim from the discussion thread after the uproar and, for better or worse, GitHub backed down from this and I'm not sure if they've gone ahead and implemented a CoC or not. There were a variety of other issues and justifications given, I'm far to lazy to find/quote them all. There was an enlightening thread, here on this site, concerning the change.

      I seem to recall someone (probably not an official representative) claiming that it was being done in the name of social justice. (I don't believe they mentioned the warrior aspect but they were pretty proud of themselves - it reminded me of a child with a loaded diaper in fact.) I've since pondered this, probably more often than was necessary, and I just don't understand how they can reach those conclusions, enact those policies, or somehow claim superiority, logic, reason, or higher morals than others. They then make derogatory statements about the folks who postulated that this might not be actual justice or social or even moral. Just questioning it appears to mean, to them at least, that you're a sexist, a racist, homophobic, transphobic, daft, white, angry, losing your privilege, and more. (Key: I'm none of those things - not even white.)

      Yet they wear this badge with pride... It's like (instead of a 'sarge' thing) wearing something that looks like a dunce cap and being proud when someone points out that you've got a traffic cone on your head. I just don't understand. I've been told, I've approached this topic with others in the past, that I'm a bad person for being an egalitarian. Even though I employed nearly as many men as I did in a very heavy tech oriented business, I'm somehow bad for not caring what's between their legs but - if I do care, I'm bad for that too. I just give a shit what's in your head and how well you can convert it to work.

      But I am a monster...

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    150. Re:FTFY... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Not quite, as far as I know, and I'm only a fake historian. (I'm not a historian at all - I just have a fascination with it and really love to learn about it, it's something I geek out on once in a while.) That said, I don't know of any specific quotes that quite match what you seem to be hoping for but I believe he made some quotes about Stalin being too aggressive with his own population. Unfortunately, as is often the case and why I am not a historian, I am unable to cite that - I seem to recall it from a documentary about the Rise of the Third Reich (maybe the Fall). It could easily have been one of any of the hundreds that I've seen about him.

      So, I'll give you this instead:
      http://www.hitler.co.uk/hitler...

      While I browsed that page, I stopped and pondered when I reached these two:

      ‘The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.’
      ‘The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.’

      What I pondered and how I thought they might be applicable are two things I'll leave to the exercise of the reader.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    151. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are people who try reduce this behavior to a single word or acronym, then hurl that around as if everybody has already agreed in each case that they are indeed just being reactionary instead of having a legitimate beef.

      You mean a single word like, "reactionary"?

    152. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How is it his fault that you're all so simple-minded that you couldn't see he had a point to make that wasn't the usual blunt instrument you faggots usually use?

      hurr durr STRAWMAN herp derp

      GB24chan/pol losers, and whine at each other about how all women are whores like you usually do.

    153. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he thinks this is still his highschool debate club
      laughinggirls.jpgLOL whats it like to not be relevant anymore? kill urself

    154. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying to get people fired from their jobs, kicked out of universities, and even arrested goes way beyond a little civilized disagreement, and well into "persecution."

      So long as everyone involved is speaking truthfully (which is often the case), the responsibility for what happens is solely on the person being spoke about and their employer/school/law enforcement. It's not the responsibility of others to cover for someone being a racist, sexist, bigot, asshole, rapist, murderer, or anything else -- no, it's their responsibility to speak up about it, which is one of the biggest reasons free speech exists.

    155. Re:FTFY... by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

      Given that there are clear cases of concerted harassment attacks against individuals and that these attacks generally come from extremists rather than average, middle-of-the-road moderates, no these aren't natural social consequences.

      Even if you think they are natural, those acts harm society as a whole. Society needs a respectful engagement of ideas. The acts you endorse inhibit that. They do not persuade anymore than a gun to someones head. They divide and polarize. They inhibit the open contest of ideas.

      Even if you don't value diversity of ideas, sending threatening messages to someone or getting them fired from their job are not boycotting or shunning (those would avoidance). They are harassment (they seek confrontation and actively giving them an emotional beat down). If you don't like what someone says, you are free to not read their Twitter. That is different than forcing the account to shut down so no one else can read it, or of depriving a person of the ability to earn a living.

      Even if you think it is shunning and not harassing, shunning when aimed purely at harming an individual is an evil, harmful act. It benefits no one. Your target generally won't be converted because you were mean to them. All you've done is cultivate a culture of fear.

      Even if you think shunning is okay at the small scale, the amplification of the modern world makes the consequences disproportionate.

    156. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amanda Marcotte again.. Yeah, no agenda there, I'm sure it's a totally objective look at the facts and not another propaganda piece from her /rollseyes...

    157. Re:FTFY... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Now, you know I generally agree with you but - at this point, you're just looking silly. I believe I'm actually paraphrasing you...

      "Yes, but I'm free to criticize their decision." (That might even be verbatim.)

      I suspect that the vast majority of people here, those who are complaining, know that they can go elsewhere. I'd even wager that a large majority of that group do not actively use Twitter.

      That said, umm... I think this thread's express purpose is "whinging and whining about it on Slashdot." It's what we do and kind of the point of the comments section, especially when the subject is Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, Oracle, Microsoft, Windows, Linux, Microsoft, politics, religion, science, Microsoft, or most any other subject.

      Sure, we sometimes have meaningful discourse and educational comments but I presume they're entirely by accident. I've seen you enjoy a good bitch-fest here and not gone to the company to register your complaints instead of laying them out here in the thread. I'm just as guilty. Hell, it doesn't even have to be a /topical/ thread.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    158. Re:FTFY... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      While I agree with your thought, that's not ever going to happen. It may happen on the internet but that's unlikely to happen. You can, right now, get free hosting (without ads), a free TLD, and publish as much as you want so long as you obey the host's AUP. You can, with some effort, even find some pretty lenient hosts. However, eventually, you might want to say things that nobody wants to provide services for so you'll have to pay for that - just like you'll have to pay for the paper to make a sandwich board to wear on your downtown parade.

      Even then, should you be unable to say it on the 'net, you'll still be able to find public spaces in which to speak for the foreseeable future. In fact, if those spaces run out then you've got far more pressing issues than speech. From a conversation a couple of days ago - I know of two comments that have been deleted on this site and only two. If you've got something to say then say it instead of screaming about rights you don't appear prepared to actually understand or use.

      Here, I'll go first:
      I hate purple people more than any other people. They should all be exterminated and gassed like the Nazi's did with the Jews. Purple people are the scum of the Earth and need to die. If I could get my hands on the throat of a purple person - I'd kill them twice and then fuck their corpse. The second time I killed them, I'd make their mother watch. Then I'd club their mother to death with their crotchfruit's femur.

      See? I bet they don't even delete that. If you don't make use of your liberties you end up losing them. So, if you've got something to say - just say it.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    159. Re:FTFY... by Chas · · Score: 1

      Hell, if someone cost me my job, I can tell you I'd be a lot more than "radicalized".

      --


      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    160. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are seriously lumping critical theory in with "neo-Marxism." I'm guessing you're one of the people who uses "secular humanism" as a pejorative too.

    161. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are seriously lumping critical theory in with "neo-Marxism."

      Well, I am "lumping them in together" in the sense that I stated, namely their relationship to social justice. FYI:

      Neo-Marxism is a loose term for various twentieth-century approaches that amend or extend Marxism and Marxist theory, usually by incorporating elements from other intellectual traditions, such as: critical theory, psychoanalysis or Existentialism (in the case of Sartre).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism

      I'm guessing you're one of the people who uses "secular humanism" as a pejorative too.

      I have no problem with secular humanism in principle (I'm a gay atheist).

      In practice, I have found a lot of overlap between Neo-Marxists, critical theorists, and secular humanists. These people tend to talk about tolerance, rationality, and liberty, but often are as bigoted, irrational, ignorant, and intolerant as Bible thumpers.

    162. Re:FTFY... by x0ra · · Score: 1

      ...one freedom at a time.

      When Freedom will be outlawed, only outlaw will have Freedom. I prefer to die young and free, than old and living in the parody of a free world you want to build.

    163. Re:FTFY... by x0ra · · Score: 1

      The fact that I like my women at my knees, my cock in their mouth, is a moral / political stance.

    164. Re:FTFY... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Sorry, this is compete bullshit. All debates have a degree of moderation, otherwise discussion is impossible. Even Jerry Springer breaks up the fights.

      Give me one example of an argument that would be banned. I guarantee there are none. Making an argument is not the same as attacking someone individually, which is what this addresses. Again, Springer allows the KKK to spout their racist bullshit, it's only when it starts getting personal that he breaks it up.

      One example is all I'm asking for.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    165. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I'd give you some - this was a very insightful comment. This emphasis on victimization isn't making people stronger, and treating people like they're fragile is insulting.

      --
      Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
    166. Re:FTFY... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Persecution by private citizens isn't illegal nor should it be.

      What's most ironic about people like you that spout this SJW label is that you want the same speech restrictions as the people you criticize, just for different reasons and on different people.

      Free speech protects you from GOVERNMENT, the people with the guns and locked rooms that can put you in a room and keep you there with no human contact until you go crazy. Social consequences for speech are SPEECH. They might not be fair and you don't have to agree with them but the simple reality is that they are social consequences and they are characterized by more speech.

      I certainly don't think it's fair to get someone fired for something they said but all along that path is simply people speaking and people speaking in reaction to the speech through both action and speech. In a country with free speech you need to understand that though the speech is free that doesn't mean its free of consequences from anyone but the government. And speaking unpopular things will have social consequences.

      Any law that tries to limit social consequences from speech WILL limit speech and you are on the side for limited speech. The very thing you are railing against and asking for restrictions on is the very same thing as hate speech restrictions and blasphemy laws and they all lead the same place. Don't be anti-speech.

    167. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should read: "Even though I employed nearly as many women as I did men." It might be self-evident but a correction is in order. Whilst I did preview, it's obvious that I did not do an adequate job. I'll save the post count and post this as an AC.

      And, while the moderation point is nice - it's not important. Save it for someone who's actually concerned with karma. My karma can not go any higher than it is and I'm reasonably well behaved without needing positive and negative reenforcement. If I say something incoherent, incorrect, or logically inconsistent then that should be pointed out but a comment is more likely to be effective than a moderation point. 'Tis but a suggestion for those interested. If not then, well, carry on. Affirmation is nice, after all.

    168. Re:FTFY... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Employers have to abide by certain laws when it comes to treatment of employees. The only way people could be arrested or fired for their actions is if they do something that gives their employer reasonable cause to fire them... And yes, that means if you live in an "at will" state, you have to live with the consequences of that.

      If you don't like this, you should take a leaf from the "SJW" playbook and lobby for a charge in the law.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    169. Re:FTFY... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Clearly it wouldn't be banned. If you carefully read the summary you will note that it only covers personal attacks based on things like race, not general statements. So "black people are less intelligent because of genetics" is okay, but "you dumb fucking nigger" isn't.

      I don't see how not being able to insult someone by calling them a faggot or whatever limits your ability to express you opinions. You can still say "I hate faggots and gay marriage is an affront to my imaginary friend".

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    170. Re:FTFY... by sfcat · · Score: 1

      replying to remove bad mod

      --
      "Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
    171. Re:FTFY... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      How is being male or gay a political view?

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    172. Re:FTFY... by erexx23 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Europe learned its lesson regarding Hate Speech thanks to the Germans who have had the deep wisdom to ban it Entirely. Seems that Americans haven't learned that lesson... yet.

    173. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Insert navy seal copypasta here
      The fact that you think your qualities of a "Real Man" are in any way related to SJW's is hilarious. They are in fact the opposite of the hateful bigotry that SJWs spew.

    174. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are clearly retarded, or a very effective troll. Either way, you'd make a great lawyer.

    175. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're being hyperbolic and you know it.

      What I'm more concerned about is that you're downright dangerously misinformed about actions and consequences. Effects follow causes in this Universe (mostly... ), and if you don't like the effect, you may want to re-examine the cause. That's just straight-up Intro to Philosophy material.

      Say what you will, but be prepared to defend what you say. There are concepts of positive and negative liberty that you have apparently failed to consider.

    176. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When a conservative wants to do the same thing, the same arguments apply.

      Sauce for the goose.

    177. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logical fallacies are a thing of the past and only exist in debate clubs; no one else takes them seriously, especially not philosophers. Who needs valid logic, anyway?

    178. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The roll came up as a critical hit. Look at the tables again.

      Sheesh. Kids.

    179. Re:FTFY... by RoLi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly.

      These rules are never universally applied, for example it is still allowed to harass, inimidate and demonize white people, Christianity and "traditional gender roles".

      Similarily, in the official FBI crime statistics, "Hispanics" is a victim category but they are lumped into whites for perpetrators.

      So when a Hispanic kills a white for racial reasons, the crime goes onto the books as a "racist white-on-white hate crime". (No joke, they really count that way in order to reach their anti-white race quotas - without Hispanics there are just too few hate crimes with white perpetrators.)

      Most hate crimes are of course Hispanic on black and vice versa, so with that trick you get a ton of "white on black" and "black on hispanic" hate crimes even though whites have usually nothing to do with them.

      You can call for genocide of white people in any politically correct medium and you will NOT get banned.

    180. Re:FTFY... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Only the sick, twisted mind of the MRA perpetual victim thinks that. SJWs like you are paranoid, always trying to twist everything into an attack on your freedom to post shit on Twitter.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    181. Re:FTFY... by RoLi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Irrelevant - once the mechanism is there, it will be abused.

      SJWs are yearning for complete arbitrary exclusion of any other opinion. Basically they think that if only the world would become a giant echo-chamber it would be a better place.

      These are seriously sick people.

      Just look at "WillAffleckUW" above. It is a fact that the 1950s meant (at least in the US) a period of great prosperity and low crime.

      As a result "WillAffleckUW" thinks that everybody who has something good to say about the 1950 is a aryanbrotherhoodmemberwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

      You see how they can easily imagine violence or threats?

    182. Re:FTFY... by RoLi · · Score: 1

      A substantial portion of the population will believe anything the media tells them.

    183. Re:FTFY... by RoLi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Obama and Turkey were using ISIS to get a slightly lower price on Iraqi oil (while being officially at war).

      For about a year the US air force was "unable to find" the HQ of ISIS, "unable to find" the oil trucks. And all that despite the fact that numerous journalists could find said HQ.

      Now the Russians went in, started bombing their HQ and even more importantly the oil trucks. The US military dropped warning leaflets to warn them against the Russian bombings ("to avoid collateral damage"), but that didn't work.

      Interestingly, somehow the Americans were able to find all the soft targets of ISIS within hours/days to warn them - after being "unable to find" them so for about a year.

      Game over ISIS. Without oil revenue it won't survive for very long.

      To get back on topic, ISIS recently issued a fatwa about how to treat female slaves.

      So Obama and Hillary, darlings of all SJWs, helped to create (and sustain) a slave-society in the 21st century.

      And what do SJWs do? Vote for Hillary of course. And say that ISIS has "nothing to do with Islam".

      In their hearts, SJWs are totalitarians. And every single time their efforts lead to suffering and destruction they blame their victims (which are the American taxpayers).

    184. Re:FTFY... by RoLi · · Score: 0

      They also buy oil from ISIS (via Turkey) while at the same time claiming to be at war with ISIS.

      And they vote for Hillary Clinton who - as Secretary of State - has a lot of responsibility for that whole ISIS-situation.

      Trump once said that normally a person like Hillary couldn't run, which of course is true, but Hillary's involvement with ISIS would land her on the gallows in any self-respecting country.

      Anybody who votes for Hillary has no morals at all.

      Forget all her corruption scandals - but can you really vote for somebody who helped create and sustain a modern slave-society, while at the same time pretending to be at war with it? I mean is there anything worse somebody can do as Secretary of State?

      But the gig is up. The Russians have destroyed ISIS's oil revenue stream and they are collapsing fast.

      The US air force was "unable to find" ISIS's oil infrastructure (yes, that's the official story!) except when the Russians were coming in, then they were able to find it within hours and drop leaflets on them to warn against the coming Russian airstrikes.

      And that kind of politics is what the SJWs want to continue. Seriously.

    185. Re:FTFY... by RoLi · · Score: 1

      But they would vote for Hillary who built up ISIS while at the same time claiming to be at war with it. Similar in Libya.

      The problem with liberals is that they are just too gullible and are accepting even the most hairbrained excuses from their beloved leaders.

      Obama, who was hailed as great moral paragon has helped create a slave society in the 21st century just to get a lower price on Iraqi oil. And Hillary was his Secretary of State.

      But of course you can't criticize him or her because that would make you racist or sexist, right?

      When Hillary says that the US military just "couldn't find" ISIS' oil infrastructure for many months, liberals will believe it.
      When Hillary says that the US military could finally find ISIS' oil infrastructure within a few hours to drop leaflets on them to warn against Russian air strikes in order to prevent "civilian casualties", liberals will believe it.
      When Hillary says that she deleted her emails accidentally, liberals will believe it.

      And that is basically SJW-ism in a nutshell. Gullibility mixed with pure evil.

    186. Re:FTFY... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Many of them should be called SMBs SMTs instead Social Media Bullies, Social Media Terrorists ---- in other words basically bullies posting bullshit and claiming to have a righteous cause for what they post.

      Remember this incident ?

      SJW is just the currently in-vogue self-described term used by people who are Cyberbullies on Social Media claiming to be in support of justice, and using Cyberbully tactics to support an enhanced form of "Political Correctness" that is some form of "Political Correctness" with Anti-American, Anti-Christian, Anti-White, Anti-Male, Anti-Heterosexual affirmative action; these retarted bullies' tactics include magical thinking, outright lying, recklessly throwing around false accusations whenever it suits them, sensationalist posts, outright deception, misrepresenting what other people have said and/or its meaning, and forming ad-hoc mobs to harrass people.

    187. Re:FTFY... by mysidia · · Score: 2

      But opinions are not like ethnicity. You can safely change them or keep them private.

      You are not free if you cannot share your views.

      Boycotts and organized shunning are legitimate free speech responses to send a message about continuing abhorrent actions or business practices.

      But Boycotts and such should not be allowed as a method of showing mere disagreement with someone's opinion, what political views they have, who they choose to hire, or activities outside their business ----- the courts should disallow it as tortious interference, up to, and including putting organizers and participants in jail, if they attempt to organize a boycott against someone merely for having a different opinion.

      Free speech is free speech, but does not include a right to use your free speech to scream over other people or spam to drown them out, harass their person or their character into submission, or otherwise chill others' free speech, in response to something you don't like to hear.

    188. Re:FTFY... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Should a conservative be able to tell his or her employees that there will be "consequences" if any of them ever publicly supports any pro-homosexual cause? It's a private company so they don't deserve any special protection from "consequences," right?

      My answer is NO. And even making the policy statement informal or otherwise should become a sue-able offense.

      Ditto for the opposite statement, about a Democrat telling his/her employees there will be consequences if they support an anti-homosexual cause.

      An employer shall not be allowed to dictate their employees have or don't have certain views on politics, and shall not be allowed to retaliate or order that their employees don't publish their opinions on such matters.

    189. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the fuck are "SJWs"? Sexist Jewish Wankers?

    190. Re:FTFY... by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Any movement or political thought that seeks to ban free speech is the enemy of all of civilization

      And thus the grandiose posturing goes on and on and on and on .....

      Twitter, Facebook, etc are private companies, of course, and can set whichever rules they like; for better or worse, they are are not publically funded instutions subjected to the rules of transparency, and they don't have to allow anybody to use their resources to publish their views. Apart from that, this is not a "political movement that seeks to ban free speech", it is about the right of everybody to be able take part in social activities without fear of being bullied, attacked, harrassed, etc - at least in some places. If you want to rant and rave and hurl abuse at the world, go to some place like Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park in London; there are plenty of outlets available for any kind of idiocy, so it's not like you're being gagged just because Twitter won't tolerate schoolyard bullies who are unable learn basic manners.

    191. Re:FTFY... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Trying to get people fired from their jobs, kicked out of universities, and even arrested goes way beyond a little civilized disagreement, and well into "persecution."

      again suggesting that you should have special protection from the consequences of this speech

      Yes, that is ABSOLUTELY what I'm saying (if by "consequences" you mean "persecution"). I'm not sure what country you're from. But in the United States we do, in fact, have clear protections in both cases. Both the right to free speech and protection from racial discrimination are considered "civil rights" that all U.S. citizens enjoy (along with freedom of religion, freedom to assemble and many others).

      You can't get a person arrested for saying bigoted things (unless they've violated some hate speech law) else Trump would be in prison already, and whether you call it persecution or not makes no difference legally or morally. Now let's examine what would be needed to enable your special protections.

      Let's use the case of Brendan Eich. To keep him in his job, we would need to make it illegal for people to boycott Mozilla due to his opinions & actions. Maybe by forcing them to continue business based on some previous average, and by having hearings with a government "anti-persecution" tribunal to justify future changes in business? We'd need to censor people from voicing negative opinions about Brendan Eich...just censor them all. And I assume we'd need to find a way to make sure they'd be boycotting/verbally disapproving of him because of his homophobic stance instead of, say, because he likes polo shirts, which I assume would not receive special protection. That's a lot of government control, censorship, and intrusion needed where none was involved before.

      Now let's look at a totally hypothetical situation. The owner of the shop where you buy tires is caught funding a group you vehemently disapprove of. Do you want to stop giving him business and say that you disagree? Too bad, his speech gets special protection from your "persecution." You must continue to indirectly fund this group by buying a set of tires every 4 years in accordance with your previous business. If you want to buy tires he doesn't sell, you have to go before the anti-persecution tribunal and argue your case. Is this what you want?

      And yes you can verbally disapprove of and boycott a business based solely on someone's political affiliation if you like. Many people do this already with Koch-owned businesses or movies starring actors with certain political positions. There is nothing in US law currently protecting your opinions, I challenge you to find any law that says otherwise.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    192. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but there is a difference. See in 1936 it was the evil crackers who were spewing their hatred and limiting speech. Today we know better and first look at the ethnic identity of someone before we try to limit their speech. So we would never limit the speech of an angry black man, but the speech of and evil cracker from the South (where all injustice springs) is fair game. By ensuring that the targets of animosity and discrimination are carefully aligned to counteract inherent biases in prejudices in human psychology we can use censorship to enlighten and bring up the human condition. This is totally opposite of what Adolf Hitler was doing when he was limiting speech. See he was doing it out of animosity and hatred. Today it is being done out of love and kindness. This kindness does not of coarse happen if you happen to be a cracker. Then of coarse you are evil and need to be wiped of the planet.

      Support Liberalism. It is the party of love and kindness.

    193. Re:FTFY... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      But Boycotts and such should not be allowed as a method of showing mere disagreement with someone's opinion, what political views they have, who they choose to hire, or activities outside their business ----- the courts should disallow it as tortious interference, up to, and including putting organizers and participants in jail, if they attempt to organize a boycott against someone merely for having a different opinion.

      Let's skip right past the gross violations of free speech and freedom of assembly this would require, and get into the practicalities of enforcing this. Tell me how your anti-boycott laws could deal with the following:

      1. An anonymous comment, posted via open wifi through a proxy chain including a darket, says "if you disagree with this buisiness owner's opinion, boycott him!" A boycott follows. How will the organizer or the participants be caught and dealt with?

      2. A business owner is caught donating to a homophobic cause. Many individuals, on their own free will and with no association with each other, stop dealing with this business. How will these participants be identified and charged with tortious interference, and how can it be proven in court?

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    194. Re:FTFY... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I'm a strong supporter of free speech.

      When one side starts using the media to carry out murders, to recruit people to carry out murders, I think you can reasonably draw a line there just as you can draw a line at shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater.

      It's difficult to do that however when the language is constantly changing- urban slang/code words- alternate meanings for words which you thought you knew what they meant- talking around the subject such that people know what you mean- and talking medium/mildly radical to attrack and set up private discussions which are much more radical.

      The constant mass murders by ISIS and their agents is going to push freedom of speech pretty hard. The west has suspended freedom of speech before in time of war and this is just one incident away from blowing back up into a hot war.

      The absolute death rate in the west remains well below many accidental forms of death but the intent behind the killings is chilling. As John Cleese said, you can't joke about islam because they'll kill you. The murder of Theo van Gogh was specifically targeted at freedom of speech. The mass murder at Charley Hebdo was specifically targeted at freedom of speech.

      It seems a tiny step from Twitter starting with obviously evil message to including irritating, insulting free speech. And then from there to simply disagreeable speech.

      But you can't ignore people when they are shooting you on the street and then taking out a big knife and trying to saw your head off right there in the streets of a 1st world country until the bone stops the knife.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    195. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because "religious affiliation" has nothing to do with ones beliefs

    196. Re:FTFY... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Except your forgetting one tiny, little thing.

      Businesses must follow the Law.

      They are not (legally) allowed to discriminate. The Law enumerates free speech as an alienable right; any business not allowing that could be seen as discriminating and infringing upon our rights that we gave to the government that by proxy extends to businesses.

      Why should Twitter be allowed to censor when the phone company is not? The Price is a red herring. At the end of the day the purpose for both is to facilitate (legal) communication.

    197. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Persecution by private citizens isn't illegal nor should it be.

      I'm pretty sure that if Tim Cook walks into work tomorrow and announces that he's firing every black person and woman at Apple and implementing a "white males only" hiring policy, he's going to find out very fast that persecution of employees by a private company and/or violation of their civil rights is, in fact, quite illegal.

    198. Re:FTFY... by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      this is my pet cause, yes, it's in a different tier than lynch mob, but the suppression of opinion is in the same class. People might not have the same fear of death as back in the civil rights movement, but they have the same fear of loss of economic livelihood.

      And yes, you might say, "good those dirty racists should be forced onto the street" because that's where this is going, people organizing to drive individuals out of, jobs, out of homes, out of society, but what happens when the noun following that "dirty" swings around to describe you? or your friend?

      will you still feel the same way about how our society allows itself to bully those "of different beliefs and opinions" when you or your friend are the ones being bullied?

      Remember, Brendan Eich was forced out of a position he was eminently qualified for, because he donated to a political movement, and would not recant his religious beliefs.

      bleh... you just made me agree with krauthammer.
      http://townhall.com/columnists...

      but the title is at least true, in just the way we describe each other i think. Liberals are stupid according to conservatives, but conservatives are straight up malicious according to liberals. I think that that distinction is important and telling.

    199. Re:FTFY... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The term SJW, as used on Slashdot and elsewhere, is attached to any person who suggests that women and black people are frequently the subject of prejudice, discrimination, and harassment, and that their poorer circumstances cannot be explained by biological differences alone. You know that. Everyone here knows that. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "Neo-Marxism" unless you seriously believe that observing and recognizing prejudice and harassment is "Neo-Marxist".

      I get called an SJW all the time, and the only Marxist bone in my body is my general sense that the class system is a bad thing and that raw, unfettered, capitalism doesn't solve everything.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    200. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It deeply saddens me to see that the liberal movement that I once supported is now actively arguing against the very right to free speech that we used to champion.

      You're using the very same arguments that the far-right used to use to try to silence us. The "There are some people who citizens simply shouldn't be allowed to criticize" argument is the very same one we used to hear when we criticized the President or the government.

      It deeply saddens me to see that the liberal movement that I once supported is now actively arguing against the very right to free speech that we used to champion.

      The political left in the US has morphed from a Liberal movement to an anti-white male movement.

    201. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Officially?

    202. Re:FTFY... by hucker75 · · Score: 1

      Sticks and stones....

    203. Re:FTFY... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Taking your description at its word, now I could say, "You're an asshole" but I couldn't assert "You're one of those assholes".

      Glah... one more reason why I don't use Twitter.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    204. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, we all hate it when other people disagree with us. So to be safe, maybe we should just ban all speech, period.

      Better yet, just shut down Twitter altogether. Only way to be sure.

      If you can't engage in discourse without threatening violence or engaging in "targeted harassment," you might need to rethink your life choices.

      Not a SJW, but, really, think about what you're writing before you tap a key or piece of glass.

    205. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorists win. Again. And Twitter becomes another willing participant in killing free speech.

    206. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      For a guy who apparently considers me gullible, you spout an awful lot of unlikely claims without evidence.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    207. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In other words, if I ask you to not make death threats in my house, you think that's a slippery slope to forcing you to constantly quote Bernie Sanders? Imaginative, anyway.

      There's idiots on all parts of the political spectra. Finding a few doesn't make people who agree with them in many ways idiots also. Shall I look at Carson and Trump and consider them representative of the Republican party?

      As far as low crime goes, Wallachia under Vlad the Impaler (aka Dracula) was rumored to be almost completely crime-free. It's not necessarily the sign of a healthy society.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    208. Re:FTFY... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No, you could perfectly well say that a member of a protected group is an asshole on that basis. Calling someone an asshole is not inciting violence.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    209. Re:FTFY... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Well, whatever... obviously this is overly open to interpretation when we already can't agree what it means. The question really is... who does the interpreting.

      Personally I don't think any of the OMG HateSpeech yadda-yadda qualifies as either violence or incitement. Let idiots yap, I say. That way at least you know who thinks what.

      And I say that as a member of a class that certain parties regularly call to be disenfranchised and even killed... and it's not just yap; they mean it. So long as they can yap freely, I know who they are.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    210. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if this isn't the most neckbeardy thing that's ever been said. SJWs have literally zero desire to ban free speech because "free speech" means that THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WILL NOT SUPPRESS YOUR SPEECH. Twitter is not the fucking government. Jesus Christ.

    211. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ridiculous comment. One thing is to say "I disagree with your views" or even "I find them stupid/detestable/deplorable and you should be commited to an asylum for having them". Another very different is to say "I will kill everyone who has your opinion and I incite everyone to do so". I don't think this is too difficult to grasp.

    212. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bless you for this. I'm a conservative, and I have been shocked to see how anti-free-speech liberals have become in the past 10 years or so. It is heartening to see honest people calling them out. I hope I will do the same for my side if the situation arises.

    213. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference being that that is you overblowing things. No such hyperbolic equivalence is enshrined in the law.

    214. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      x1000
      SJWs rejoice, now they can muzzle any and all opponents by crying "hate speech".

      I'm not sure you understand that what you think of as an attack on other people, that label SJW, is regarded as a badge of honor by most of the civilized world.

      It's like someone calling me by my former rank of Sergeant and thinking that it's a dis. It's not.

      At -1 Troll, you are experiencing the Rage Of The Politically Incorrect Lillywhites. How dare you even contemplate their chosen term of abuse as anything other than the lowest scum of the earth. Coinage is supposed to belong to them and them alone.

    215. Re: FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One day, if they work really hard, white people will rise up our of this slough of discrimination. But they have to convince everyone else that they sincerely want to be productive members of society.

    216. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those damn SJWs, getting Niggers and women the right to vote, speaking out against internment camps in WWII, and all that.

      SJW is a good thing, twisted by the irrational conservatives to a term of hate. SJWs have given us all the rights we have today. If SJW were a term at the time, I'm sure the King would have applied it to the Founding Fathers. Terrorists dumping tea, and making a huge deal over taxation of colonies.

    217. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The Founding Fathers fought for social justice. If King George had called them SJWs, would that have made them evil?

      You are asserting that anyone who is called an SJW is necessarily evil, just because someone who doesn't like them used "that term" against them. That's not logical. Especially since SJW has no recognized meaning beyond "someone I don't like".

      Why do you hate SJWs exercising their free speech? You must hate free speech to lash out against those whose opinion you hate.

    218. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      SJW is "anyone I don't like". Nothing more, nothing less, and someone labeled SJW by someone else may not be SJW by your standards. It's a meaningless term. Anyone who uses it is just a hate-monger who hates free speech and is trying to silence those they don't like.

    219. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't lived in an area with rampant bigotry. Speech codes allow people to report crimes easier. When I was younger, I heard things said like "wanna go down to the gay bar and beat up some fags?" With robust hate speech laws, such statements themselves are illegal. But at the time, you'd have to wait for the dead person before the cops would do anything, and what they would do would be to out the dead guy's firends and shame his family.

      Stuff like that is why the speech codes were passed. And in a few places they helped. They encouraged people to speak out before the dead person was found, dragged behind a pickup until exsanguinated.

    220. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

      So were his employers SJWs? They were sent the video, with little if any comment attached, and fired the man without any SJWs getting involved. They fired him before the SJWs even found out. It hasn't gone nearly as viral as some others because the employer fired him immediately, without suspension, hearing, or anything else. The video spoke for itself.

      So who's the SJW here? And what "radical ideology" is at play?

    221. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u...

      Two people were fired because the wife of a man exposed his affair with a married women, both worked at Shell. So, getting someone fired because you don't like something they said or did is SJW, right? Even if they did it? How about Bill Cosby? 50 accusations of rape. So they are all SJWs? How about those who told on Lance Armstrong? Getting someone fired because you don't belive in what they did. All SJWs.

      No, it's all "no true scotsman'd" down to SJW means "someone I don't like". No more, no less.

      If not, define it, and I'll look for counter examples. If there are more exceptions than ones fitting the rule, there's no point in having the rule.

    222. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1
      So you have the right to be a bigot, but not the right to speak out against bigots. Got it. I think.

      will you still feel the same way about how our society allows itself to bully those "of different beliefs and opinions" when you or your friend are the ones being bullied?

      Ever been suspended from school? I was because I laid a formal complaint against a group of 5 kids who beat me up in 3rd grade. Turns out, one of them was the son of a dean. I was suspended for "spreading rumors". The times I hit back, I usually won. Eventually I was expelled for defending myself. Saying "you are a bigot" to a bigot isn't bullying. Getting hit in the face because others think they can get away with it and they enjoy it is bullying. Pointing out someone did evil was evil is not bullying.

      Remember, Brendan Eich was forced out of a position he was eminently qualified for, because he donated to a political movement, and would not recant his religious beliefs.

      He quit. And he quit because his public actions were seen to be bigoted. So people called him on it. Free speech shouldn't be allowed. It exposes bigots as bigots.

    223. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Many people do this already with [...] movies starring actors with certain political positions.

      Aside from the right boycotting Jane Fonda, I've never heard of that. Nobody boycotted Mel Gibson because of his politics. It was his bigotry and insanity that people boycotted. The only other boycotts I've seen have been pretty weak, and generally based on religion, not politics (if you can call Scientology a religion).

      I'm not disagreeing with your other points, just that the example chosen where people boycott, I've not seen much boycott on political positions, but a wider boycott on religious grounds. Click-fil-A is always in the news for something, and usually under a boycott from someone objecting to how they express their religion. And Westboro is always pretesting something stupid. Westboro even goes so far as to protest its own champions, like Kim Davis.

    224. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Instead, you want to force us to live in the parody of a free world you want to build.

    225. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Sufferage fought for social justice. So they are SJWs. We need our niggers in chains and our women property in the kitchen, naked barefoot and pregnant. Anyone who says otherwise is an SJW.

      SJW doesn't exist. It's a term made up to give a "face" to an enemy that doesn't know you or care who you are.

      SJW is a term invented by MRAs because they got tired of getting called sexist whenever they referred to women as "fucking whores". Substitute "fucking whore" every time you see SJW and it'll be closer to the intended meaning. Like "thug" means "Nigger". You get to call black people "thugs" and aren't called on your racism. Same with calling women SJWs and not getting called on your sexism.

    226. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Nobody identifies as an SJW. It's a fabricated insult without useful meaning.

    227. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, I just want the people who trend shit like #killallmen and cyberbullying anyone who disagrees with them banned. Ironic how "safe spaces" are littered with people who advocate mass murder.

    228. Re:FTFY... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      So Iran teaching it's schoolchildren to chant 'Death to America' is a 'dissenting political opinion'

      Yes. "Death to America" is an opinion about what should happen, and it's a political one.

      and you're OK with it, then?

      "Okay with it" in the sense of approve and agree? No. "Okay with it" in the sense of not wanting to invoke state force to stop it, or to permit a communications company to pick-and-choose content? Yes.

      So-called 'Islamic state' assholes tweeting about cutting off people's heads is a 'dissenting political opinion'?

      Yes. Just like so-called "American patriots" tweeting about how Snowden should be executed.

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      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
    229. Re: FTFY... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      One day, if they work really hard, white people will rise up our of this slough of discrimination. But they have to convince everyone else that they sincerely want to be productive members of society.

      What the hell are you talking about. Whites made US society what it is today. The best society the world has seen. They lost their way in the 1960s. That's why it's on the decline and will probably be gone in 5 years. It's almost there now. We'll be back to a feudal or slave system soon. Unless they wake up and do something rather than just worrying about the next facebook post.

      Free societies usually last for about 200 years. Then socialism gets in there and they forget why they're free. Let everyone else participate (unfettered immigration), and then it's ruined for good. No society can afford to fix the world.

    230. Re:FTFY... by Occams · · Score: 1

      You are all missing the point. It is being done to silence Islamic State. That org is not just another unpopular voice in a healthy pluralistic society. IS is a murder machine, and it should be destroyed by whatever means possible. This is not an insidious thin end of the wedge issue threatening free speech in a democratic society, it is just common sense.

      --
      Heavy is the head that wears the tinfoil hat.
    231. Re:FTFY... by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

      Oh, really? What powers of prognostication you must have to derive that from a simple deconstruction. Do tell.

      What you heard when you were young was conspiracy to commit battery. You could have reported it then, without speech codes, so that seems to be a rather far reach.

      Or how about this: wanna go down to the gay bar and beat up some fags?

      There. I said it.

      And I should be arrested for that?

    232. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who says otherwise is an SJW. [...] SJW is a term invented by MRAs because they got tired of getting called sexist

      That's historically inaccurate. In fact, the term originated with left with social activists who described themselves as "fighting for social justice", and it isn't specific to feminism. SJWs also "fight for" reducing income inequality, redistribution of wealth, equality of outcome by race, affirmative action and non-discrimination laws, etc. The term "social justice warrior" simply refers to people whose social activism is rooted in neo-Marxism and critical theory.

      People who want equal rights and liberty for women and minorities are mostly not SJWs, but simply classical liberals.

      Same with calling women SJWs and not getting called on your sexism.

      The term "social justice warrior" is not gendered and is not specific to feminism.

      And you're deluding yourself if you think that anybody cares anymore whether you call them "sexist" (or "homophobic" or "racist", for that matter); those terms have lost their force and their meaning from overuse and misapplication by SJWs.

    233. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SJW is "anyone I don't like".

      The term actually usually refers to those who "fight for social justice" in the sense of critical theory and neo-Marxism.

      Of course, just like you, there are others who are ignorant of the political origin of the term, misapply it, or misinterpret it. Given your general ignorance in political matters, you would likely also misinterpret calling you a "neo-Marxist" as an insult, instead of the accurate characterization of your political leanings.

      Anyone who uses it is just a hate-monger who hates free speech and is trying to silence those they don't like.

      I don't see anybody trying to "silence" you. But, yeah, you can be certain that lots of people dislike you and other social justice warriors, and for good reason.

    234. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People even put it on their LinkedIn profiles: https://www.linkedin.com/title/social-justice-warrior

      Of course, like many terms associated with left wing ideology, the term "social justice warrior" has quickly acquired negative connotations, so people are running away from it, as you demonstrate.

    235. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Waaaah my free speech is more important than yours!" - Any SIE (good term, consider it yoinked)

    236. Re:FTFY... by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      You seem to live in a world where characterizing a monolithic bloc of people -- in this case Social Justice Warriors -- as anything -- in this case "not on the side of good" -- is not fallacious on its face.

      --
      This comment is my opinion and does not represent an official position of Donald Trump or others I do not work for
    237. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All good points!

    238. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you heard when you were young was conspiracy to commit battery. You could have reported it then, without speech codes, so that seems to be a rather far reach.

      The joy of White Priviledge is that some good ol' boys arranging a lynching wouldn't be investigated. Boys will be boys. But make it a trivial offense, and make it easier to report and "prove" and you've saved lives and stopped violence. The smaller "crime" could be investigated more easily without the "boys will be boys" excuse when that's exactly what's illegal. Much like people raise a stink over the "can't spank" laws. The law already would classify that as assault. I've seen no exceptions in law that allow you to strike minors or relatives. But the law simply isn't enforced because "assault" for spanking your child seems harsh, so it's not enforced. But a lesser law about the same thing leads to more strict enforcement, without actually changing what was or wasn't illegal.
       
      That new class of lesser offense leads to a better outcome.
       
      That you reject reality won't change it.

    239. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      In fact, the term originated with left with social activists who described themselves as "fighting for social justice",

      Nope. Just like PC was invented by the bigots when they were reacting against the spreading civil rights movement. SJW is the new PC. A term invented by bigots to hide and confuse the anti-bigots.

      And you're deluding yourself if you think that anybody cares anymore whether you call them "sexist" (or "homophobic" or "racist", for that matter);

      If that were true, Brendan Eich wouldn't have resigned for being called a bigot (specifically homophobic). He obviously cared, and specifically named his identification as being a homophobe as the reason he quit his job.

      Reality proves you wrong on every count, but keep trying. Someone may believe your revisionist lies.

    240. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      The term actually usually refers to those who "fight for social justice" in the sense of critical theory and neo-Marxism.

      Do you have a cite for that, or did you just make it up? Human rights is "social justice" so anyone who was for sufferage was an SJW. But you added in the caveat at the end, so you can no true Scotsman out everyone who was involved with Civil Rights or such as not SJW, and come back to a definition of "anyone I don't like". Again, you've said nothing that contradicts me, other than "Don't say that, I don't like it."

    241. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can call for genocide of white people in any politically correct medium and you will NOT get banned.

      Can you hear my eyes rolling, troll? There is no systematic attempt to "kill all de white people" in anything but your most deranged dreams used to justify suppressing the minorities. It's an ancient canard seeing continued life with the racist fearmongers among us.

    242. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      It is rather interesting isn't it?
      I'm pretty sure anyone who cries for "safe spaces" does not deserve them, and are the reason that some others actually do need them.

    243. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Martin Luther King Jr. was not a SJW.
      He was fighting against real oppression. There is an obvious difference between him and SJW's. He and his supporters were routinely attacked by police, under FBI surveillance, and did not have the power to silence his critics in nearly all spaces. SJW's on the other hand have no reason to fear police, in fact the police are almost always on their side, they are not viewed as terrorists by the government, and they constantly silence their critics with threats, intimidation, harassment, and attempts to remove them from their job. These are not characteristics of an oppressed group. They are the characteristics of a group with disproportionate power over their enemies.

      How dare you lump such a man with the filth of SJW's.

    244. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I couldn't have said it better myself.
      SJW is not a term used for those actually seeking equality, it is a term used to describe those who already have disproportionate power who are using that power to shirk responsibility for their own actions by claiming to have been wronged by society. They also often use that power to demonize entire classes of people which they hate(you know, actual bigotry) while securing even more power for themselves by preying on men's natural instinct to put the lives and comfort of women before their own.

    245. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Sadly true.

    246. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Sorry to inform you, but conspiracy to commit assault is a crime you can be arrested for, which your pathetic example clearly falls into. The real issues that would prevent those people from being arrested is a corrupt police department or the witnesses being indifferent. Speech codes do not help these problems at all.

    247. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      No, try again.
      When you attempt to get someone fired by protesting them outside their workplace and constantly calling their employer demanding that they fire you, or make threats against someone and their family you have gone into the realm of extreme harassment and threats of violence.
      By the way, these are primary tactics of those who we refer to as SJW's. I'm not talking about their last resort tactics, these are their first resort tactics, and if those do not work they escalate from there.

    248. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1
      I was about to respond with some snarky "you are full of shit", but then I realized I had misread your post. You are actually pretty spot on here.
      There are no laws against bigoted speech and we do not need them. The jackass was well within his rights to donate money to a bigoted campaign and people were well within their rights to boycott Mozilla because of it. We do however need to make a clear distinction between a company firing one of their workers and a primary shareholder stepping down to protect the value of his stocks. This was his decision, heavily influenced by the rest of the board, but ultimately his decision.

      There is nothing in US law currently protecting your opinions, I challenge you to find any law that says otherwise.

      You are quite correct here. There is no such law in the US, but there are constantly interest groups pushing for just such laws and it is terrifying. These types of laws are already rampant in in Europe. For instance, the majority of countries in Europe have a law against questioning the official story of the Jewish holocaust during WWII. This does not even mean that it is illegal deny anything happened, it means it is illegal to challenge any part of the story at all. You will be put in prison if you question the 6,000,000 Jews figure which is demonstrably false from census records.
      The intent of these laws is not to protect an underprivileged class from persecution, it is to establish a dominant class.

    249. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      There is no grounds for firing the cheaters, there are in fact laws that would protect those that outed Lance Armstrong if the company were large enough, but Bill Cosby, if he did it, certainly should be fired. The real issue there is that even if he were innocent and vindicated in court public opinion would prevent him from being in a successful movie or show. We don't always have perfect answers for everything, but making a law which can easily be abused is worse than no law.

      It is certainly true that the list of people that one person classifies under some banner such as SJW will not be the same as those another person attributes that label.
      If you want to play the game of more exceptions than the rule I challenge you to define misogamist and let me give you a list of exceptions. Either you will have to accept that your petty game is complete bullshit, or declare that misogamists do not and never have existed. If you don't believe it, try me.

    250. Re:FTFY... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Well why don't you just perch yourself on that throne of self-righteousness.

      If you weren't fucking blind you would see how SJW's affect people's lives. Take for instance male college students. Feminist SJW's have managed to get the rules changed so that it is practically impossible to fight a false rape accusation. The level of evidence to have them permanently expelled has been lowered to "a preponderance of evidence" and the accused is not allowed to defend himself at all. He is not allowed to know the evidence against him, and in some places he is not even allowed to know who his accuser is. To add to this already gross injustice, the very definition for rape used by the college has been changed to allow a woman who felt ashamed of her decision the next day to claim rape, while excluding all ways in which a man can be raped, except by another man. This is also the definition used when reporting rape statistics to include the infamous 1 in 4 college girls which is paraded around all the time. So, to get this statistic they had to include "I said yes, but I had regrets the next day" as a terrible crime committed against a woman.

    251. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There is no grounds for firing the cheaters,

      Yet when the angry wife published the video, she got her husband and his married mistress fired. So since she got someone fired with "no grounds", does that make the wife an SJW?

      Either you will have to accept that your petty game is complete bullshit, or declare that misogamists do not and never have existed. If you don't believe it, try me.

      Misogynist? Or did you mean misogamist?

      A misogynist is a person who believes women are inferior and not "worthy" of the same rights and privileges of a male. So, feel free to bring on the exceptions.

      The real issue there is that even if he were innocent and vindicated in court public opinion would prevent him from being in a successful movie or show.

      Did you miss the multiple public statements where he admitted he did it? He just disputes that drugging someone and raping them is illegal, an argument that probably won't go over well in court. So he's an admitted rapist, even if not a convicted one.

    252. Re:FTFY... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because the minority who thinks being a SJW is a good thing is very loud, louder than the rest of the world, that doesn't make them a majority.

      Just because racist pigfuckers are the majority doesn't mean you shouldn't be wiped off the face of the Earth.

    253. Re:FTFY... by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      apologies, don't check slashdot except when i should be doing other things.

      No, you have the right to be both a bigot and to speak out against bigots. Which is what troubles me. The problem isn't that, it's that what has happened is that EVERYBODY is speaking out against the same bigot now. Before this cultural revolution of speed and fury this was fine.

      Again, saying something stupid should get you consequences, you might be reprimanded, lose a connection, etc. You might be fired, you might have to move.

      But you have a chance to learn and to start over.

      now, this shit will follow you forever, and the "swarm" is so reactionary, that it might be a misunderstanding, but your life is still screwed.

      And it troubles me, because everybody is well within their rights, but it's so ugly.

      should a man lose half a billion dollars because he was bigotted in a private conversation that he didn't know was recorded? he might have been a horrible racist at other times, but that's not why he lost half a billion... he lost it because of what he said in the privacy of his own home.

      free speech is fine, but Brendan Eich was as bigotted as roughly 50 percent of the population was at the time. He donated to a political campaign.

      Fuck me, i'd actually push for undisclosed donor lists if this is one of the outcomes of people actually supporting political causes they believe in.

      He was on the wrong side of the issue. period. Is that enough to crucify a man now?

      are we going to vilify half of america over gun control, abortion? who else is going to lose their livelihood for being wrong?

    254. Re:FTFY... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      How dare you lump such a man with the filth of SJW's.

      I didn't mention Dr. Martin Luthor King Jr.. I mentioned King George III in relation to the Founding Fathers, and called the founding fathers SJWs, as I've seen no definition that would exclude them, or MLK, for that matter. You didn't give a definition, other than the one I've used here many times that nobody likes, but nobody corrects.

      SJW:
      Someone I don't like.

    255. Re:FTFY... by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 1

      *Sigh*...Read it again, more carefully this time. Hint: it contains satire.

  2. So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So is Twitter actually banning hate speech like (Only) Black Live Matter or are they only banning the speech of white males, as everyone knows that only white males can hate anyone and that anyone advocating the eradication of law enforcement is by definition not hateful because they're a minority and minorities can't be hatemongers?

    1. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no such thing as "Only Black Lives Matter." That's a stupid belief common in the destructive reactionary subculture that made the Republican party a cesspool. Try to not be a stupid reactionary, we're up to our asses in those yahoos, as illustrated by Trump playing the indoctrinated wingnuts like a fiddle.

    2. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0

      commas. investigate them.

      use them, love them, make them your friends.

      This is the way of the Force. Run on sentences are the Dark Side.

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    3. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps it's time to realize that "those yahoos" are real people with real opinions, and their vote counts just as much as yours. You don't want to live in the same country as them, and buddy I hear ya. Have you considered emigration? I hear France is lovely this time of year. Canada is always a popular choice for Americans fleeing oppression and reactionaries. There are several countries which share your far-left views and where you would be far more comfortable than in incorrigible forever-racist America: Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia. There will be a bit of a lifestyle change, for instance food lines will be a new thing to you, but I'm sure you'll get through. Bon voyage! Come back in 20 years and let us know how it turned out.

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    4. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See the backfire of "all lives matter":
      http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/

    5. Re: So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When someone specifies "black lives matter", the obvious and unmistakeable implication is that other lives matter much less, if at all. Your pretense to the contrary reveals your unthinking (or hypocritical) affiliation with the SJW crowd.

    6. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry but, we, the non-racist, non-bigoted, non-reactionary people of the United States are the majority (check any polling data, not that facts seem to matter to many of the pro-Trump crowd) and we are here to stay. If you don't like it, YOU are free to leave the country.

    7. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny how what many other countries consider as middle of the road viewpoints are considered as "far left" in America.

    8. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, the majority of Americans are non-racist, non-bigoted, and non-reactionary. They're also Trump supporters.

      Trump is going to win and win big in 2016. Just you wait and see. He's the best presidential candidate we've had since President Reagan.

    9. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no such thing as "Only Black Lives Matter."

      When is the last time you saw someone hold up a "Black Lives Matter" poster at a rally for a white kid shot by cops? You think Al Sharpton organized a rally for this kid?

    10. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You are? Last I checked, the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and most of the state legislatures and governorships. The only thing they don't control is the White House.

      Polling data is irrelevant; the only thing that matters is actual votes, and the GOP has been winning electoral races left and right.

      Of course, it doesn't help that the Democratic Party keeps pushing crappy candidates like Hillary on us, and when they do gain power they push things like the TPP for their buddies in the media industries.

    11. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      So, about that comma thing... While you're looking up the appropriate educational pamphlets to give to them, you might want to actually take a minute to look under the "C" section for "Capitalization." If you're going to throw stones then you should probably do it from someone else's house if your own house is made of glass. Err... Or, perhaps, something to that effect.

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    12. Re: So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh... No that is not the "obvious and unmistakable implication", not in the least. You are deliberately twisting things to fit your narrative.

      To anyone who responds to "black lives matter" with "all lives matter" (and mean it), well, great, the message wasn't for them. The statement "black lives matter" is aimed at those that seem to have forgotten that black lives matter at all. This is not to say that only black lives matter, but instead to say black lives matter ALSO... because unfortunately there are some who don't seem to feel this way. For one reason or another there has been increasing reports of people in power taking the lives of black people, often in situations where the level of force used seemed excessive. Maybe how often this happens is increasing, maybe it's always been this way and it's simply getting more attention now. Either way, a significant portion of population FEELS oppressed, marginalized, targeted, and under attack. And they simply want to say "hey! we are people too, and we matter".

      Your statement is analogous me saying "I like to eat hamburgers" and you responding with "that's absurd to ONLY like hamburgers! there are many delicious foods."

      Only an ass would assume that I mean that I ONLY like to eat hamburgers; just like only an ass would assume that people trying to remind others that a group matters think ONLY that group matters. Please, don't be an ass.

      NOTE: of course there are those in the BLM movement who are crazy and do terrible things in that name, and those people are wrong and should be stopped. But blaming a whole group for the outliers isn't a reasonable thing to do.

    13. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohh and your side does not play you like a fool. You do realize that every single depiction of a Southern man has him sodomizing an underage piglet while he is burning a cross with a hood over his face. If you want the right wing media to stop sensationalizing, perhaps you side should stop sensationalizing also. Hatred sells, but your side started it first. The side of liberal tolerance is the first to look at someone skin color when deciding how to run a story. Face it. Blacks living in Detroit and Baltimore would be much better off if the above two cities had been run by the clan. Face it liberalism does not work. That is the ugly truth that you people are hiding from .

    14. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Polling data is irrelevant; the only thing that matters is actual votes, and the GOP has been winning electoral races left and right.

      Rigging you mean. The GOP kept the House despite losing in two elections by total margin.

      And most recently by a mere 5 million voters. In a proportional system, the House would be a lot closer than its current 247-188 spread.

      That isn't even counting the Wyoming Problem. California is being robbed of a dozen House Seats by the 435 limit, a purely artificial choice.

      If Democrats wanted to break the power of the GOP, they'd seriously push for increasing the size of the House after the next Census.

    15. Re:So Twitter is banning Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuba? Using that or China as an example for countries that 'share far-left views' is like using Nigeria as an example of a libertarian country. A lot of people aren't really capable of distinguishing the labels dictators slap on themselves from the actual views they hold - which is how presumably some of them get into power in the first place. For one, 'far left' politicial beliefs don't even necessarily equal communism, which was just a theory of government. You'd think that at least people here in America who haven't been drinking the 'communist' kool-aid could realize this stuff, but apparently not. Plus, a lot of people confuse socialism and communism (even as many of them rely on socialist programs within our own government to live).

        Plus, communist countries don't really exist, and probably can't exist, in the form they were intended to be - inevitably, they just become another totalitarian dictatorship with a thin veneer of populism - if you take a look at almost any country that calls itself 'communist', for the most part they don't really subscribe to the vast majority, or even any of modern day liberal beliefs.

  3. Is stupidity a disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is stupidity a disease?

    1. Re:Is stupidity a disease? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      If only it were that easy!

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    2. Re:Is stupidity a disease? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'd submit that it is an affliction. It's even a curable affliction. It's sometimes an easily curable affliction but it often needs an acknowledgement of the problem, a willingness to get beyond ones ego, critical thinking, objectivity, and effort. It surely may need more than those few things that I mentioned but I refuse to be a pessimist tonight.

      There are so many people who are hell bent on retaining their views, regardless of the evidence against them, that it's like a contest to see who can stick with the most absurd conclusions the longest. We call politicians who change their minds based on new information things like "wishy washy." We call someone who wants to collect facts and make an informed decision names like "indecisive." We call a change in strategy a "sign of failure." We call those who admit that they do not have the answers "stupid." We call those who seek the answers "ignorant."

      Basically, the older I get the more convinced I become that humans are much like dumb herd beasts only blessed by the fact that they somehow managed to acquire opposable thumbs. That we've made it this far is nothing short of miraculous. We're panicky, ignorant, fearful, frightful, impulsive, and more. In short, humans kind of suck. I'm glad I'm not one of them!

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    3. Re:Is stupidity a disease? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals. - Agent K.

      I hope I am never that way. I try my best to keep an open mind and not lock into a mindset. I suppose for that having a poor memory is a blessing. Although it makes day to day tasks rather difficult.

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    4. Re:Is stupidity a disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is the way it should be. However, we've all got our own biases and confirmation biases to deal with - you certainly seem aware of this. They're difficult to be aware of and sometimes so entrenched that they impact other conclusions with subjects only tangentially related.

      I've found that, and this is not me preaching - it's me sharing, if one can let go of their ego and stop to look for logical inconsistencies, fallacies, and admit to not knowing then it really helps. I must be brief as the kids and the missus just stumbled back into the house. The kids and their spouses took off for a while and brought my g/f with 'em. They claimed I have a surprise but, so far, all I have is a Crackerjack box with what appears to be the lamest toy ever in it.

      At any rate, it's good to be able to put aside ones ego and admit that you're incorrect. It's not easy but it is good. Well, it is good in my opinion. I don't mind being wrong. I don't mind asking questions. I actually get some replies that point out that it's fairly unusual for someone to say things like, "At initial blush, this seems to be true. However, I'm not actually qualified to opine." Some folks seem even more baffled when you don't argue and say, "Wow, cool. You are right and I was wrong. I did not know that and I appreciate you taking the time to correct me in a civil manner."

      It's not just here. It's true in the real world, on other sites, and probably has always been true. Then you have dogmatic beliefs where, often without actually being able to logically justify it, someone will hold certain political beliefs. They may be otherwise intelligent, or at least educated, but they're certainly not much more than parrots with some subjects.

      If my beliefs, opinions, and understanding of facts are not able to withstand scrutiny then I like them challenged, I want to have people point it out, and I want to grow from this realization.

      Again, I'm almost certainly speaking to the choir. I'm not actually overly familiar with your posts so I'm not going to opine and will give you the benefit of doubt. It's tough to encounter people who are unwilling to put their own opinions up for scrutiny. Not because I want to correct them but because they're unwilling to correct themselves. It is neither my job nor my right to force others to conform to my ideals but it is hard to deal with people who insist on remaining willfully ignorant.

      So, yeah... I kind of like that quote. I can never remember it but, I guess, some of what I said could be considered cribbed from that - though I think I thought similarly prior to that movie's release.

      Like you said, the best you can really do is hope you're never that way, keep an eye out for it, and never (hah - seldom) make statements of certainty to yourself or others. If you're in good company, they'll help you notice those behaviors and can probably spot it more easily than you as they're capable of being more objective.

      Using this site, as an example, I approach people as I am with you. I have great conversations as we weave and meander through the threads. I've got conversations started years ago that still continue in various threads as the subjects arise again. There are many here who are actually intelligent and educated. Some are articulate and conversational. (I'm mostly just verbose and suffer from some disease that makes me vomit many words into comment sections. I'm not so articulate.)

      Ah well... You're spot on, in my opinion, and you're not alone in striving to keep yourself open so that you can change your views as you learn additional information. Posted as an AC to keep my post count low today. It's fairly obvious who I am. I am not sure anyone would be able to mimic my writing style easily or would go through that effort. I did/do have someone that pretends but it's still pretty obvious who is who and I don't think they've posted to any of the sites I frequent in a very long time.

      KGIII

  4. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet is finally being civilized. About time.

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is finally censoring free speech. About time.

      FTFY

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fixed nothing idiot.

  5. Threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you try to censor me I swear I will physically beat your Arabic, gay, Iranian, Muslim, male that identifies as a female, old, crippled ass !

    1. Re: Threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go die in a fire you nigger kike honky wop injun chink towelhead jap racist homophobic faggot.

    2. Re: Threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow... Between the two of you, I think you just about covered 90% of Slashdot!

      Let's see...

      Nip
      Kraut
      Limey
      Mick
      Dago
      Raghead
      Abo

  6. Hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, twitter is trying to silence people under the auspices of this? Sure it's anti ISIS but it could be used for more sinister purposes...

  7. About time by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Sometimes the "reply" tweets where someone adds me in on twitter involve morons threatening other people, especially women.

    About time they banned Bill Cosby.

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    1. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why's that? I thought the free world generally went by an "innocent until proven guilty" policy. Did I miss some verdict where he was found guilty of the allegations against him?

      Or do you hold the court of public opinion as the highest court in the land and mindlessly assume anyone accused of a crime must be guilty of it?

  8. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Temecula!
    http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/12/26/7449927/snottiedrippin-temecula-christmas-twitter-fight-kobe-bryant

  9. Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    Will we prevent you from silencing others by silencing you. Pray I do not alter the deal further.

    1. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Will we prevent you from silencing others by silencing you.

      How's that morally any different from: "we will stop you from imprisoning people in your basement by throwing your ass in jail"?

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    2. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      When you imprison someone in your basement, they can't just ignore it and continue on with their lives, or if they feel like it, imprison you in their basement in retaliation.

      But when someone says something to you, you can ignore it and continue on with your life, or if you feel like it, say something equally mean back to them.

      If by "imprison someone in your basement" you meant "tell someone to go into your basement and stay there", a command that they could ignore or respond to at their whim, then you would have a comparable case. Or if by "silence" you didn't mean "say things that make you not want to speak", but rather "duct-tape your mouth shut", then the cases would be comparable too.

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      "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
    3. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Well, one's a crime? ;-)

      That and did the person in your contrived example imprison anyone or did they just say that they'd like to? If they said that they liked to, did they show any sign of acting on their thoughts? If they showed any sign then how far had their preparations come - was there any specific behavior that would make a reasonable person conclude that they were likely to act on it?

      (Yes, this is marginally a continuation of the last conversation.)

      Again, I don't have the answers. I'm not sure where the line needs to be drawn. As this is a private company with private property and their use is not mandated by law, I'm not concerned with it though I'm free to criticize it. Though, honestly, I've not really been critical of it. Used properly, it's a good policy. Or course, that's the conclusion I come to about most things - including speech. The line is, for me and at present, where the thoughts or expression of thoughts turns into action - and not a moment before. At least that's what I believe, until I'm given reason to think something better.

      Alas, David does not know everything. ;-) I don't even pretend to.

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    4. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If your life includes using free speech but you are harassed to the point where you are silenced, then no, you can't just ignore it. Or, are you living in the fantasy land where mobs brought together on the internet don't actually affect people's lives?

      For someone who supports free speech, you are remarkably blase about letting people take it away from others.

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    5. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Well, one's a crime? ;-)

      True, though threats, harassment, libel and slander (I assume it's libel if it is in text on the internet) also qualify I think.

      (Yes, this is marginally a continuation of the last conversation.)

      Certainly is! This topic seems in the news a lot at the moment.

      Again, I don't have the answers. I'm not sure where the line needs to be drawn.

      Me neither. It's a difficult topic, but I'm pretty sure that the best place for the line is not making every venue a free for all of trolling and harassment under the banner of "free speech". There seem to be a lot of people here of that opinion. I think they're mistaken because they're not considering why free speech is a good thing, and what's lost by giving it to only the loudest, nastiest people.

      The line is, for me and at present, where the thoughts or expression of thoughts turns into action - and not a moment before.

      Personally,I'm more in favour of free speech than many in my country. I favour similar definitions, in what the government can restrict. However, not all venues are the same. The American Nazi Party (I do or did use the same web host---and I'm fine with that) spewing idiocy on their little corner of the internet doesn't tend to find people who don't go there. Twitter is quite different as it's a much more interactive forum. Free speech gives you the right to print a book full of insane bigotry, it doesn't give you the right to read it through a bullhorn outside someone's house. I think twitter is seeing a awful lot of the internet equivalent of the latter.

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    6. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      When those mobs brought together on the internet start doing things to affect their target's lives, rather than just saying things to them, then there is grounds to do things back to them. But so long as they're just saying things, the most that's warranted is saying things back to them.

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      "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
    7. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm inclined to agree. I really don't have a problem with speech until it turns into an action. Oh, in the US, libel and slander are civil offenses. You don't go to jail for civil offenses but you can go to jail for criminal offenses.

      Erf... This is tough but I still prefer (I think?) to err on the side of freedom with both threats and harassment with some caveats. If you say that you're going to kill me - I'd absolutely hate for you to be prosecuted for that and would likely argue that on your behalf in a court of law. Why? It's not a realistic threat. You don't really have much of a chance to do that.

      On the other hand, if you've said you're going to kill me and have taken the time to locate me and buy a plane ticket to come perform the deed - then you've taken an action. That's where I'd want that line drawn.

      Harassment? Well... I just don't mind it, in and of itself. However, if that harassment (intentionally or not) results in others taking some action then I suppose some shared culpability needs to be considered. Again, I prefer to err on the side of freedom until such time as it reaches the point of action that may be harmful.

      I'm not sure that I'm articulating that well. There are risks associated with those beliefs. It's quite possible that the threat or harassment turns into an action before there is time for intervention and prevention. Risks are inherent in a free system.

      Also, the good thing about a host who will allow a platform such as the American Nazi Party is that they quite likely will allow you the same capacity to speak. As reprehensible as that group might be, I'm glad that they're allowed a platform.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    8. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Tell me, if words have no power, then what's the reason for having free speech? To claim that words are so important they need protecting, but so unimportant that they have no consequences is to claim two opposite things.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    9. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      The main reason for having free speech is precisely that words are so harmless there is no justification for banning them. No special effort need be made to protect the speech itself, only to protect people from being attacked without justification -- and speaking is never such a justification, because words are harmless.

      --
      -Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
      "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
    10. Re:Will we prevent you from silencing others by... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The main reason for having free speech is precisely that words are so harmless there is no justification for banning them

      If speech is harmless, then why it is the first thing oppressive regimes tries to ban?

      Speech is the most powerful thing we have. If you have a gun, you can kill a few people at most. With speech you can raise an army.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
  10. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Contradiction much? Twitter was always a toy anyway. Go away toy.

  11. Or maybe just abuse by DumbSwede · · Score: 0, Troll

    Seems odd you can’t voice a dissenting opinion without what amounts to threatening violence to express your political opinion. You wouldn’t be Republican would you?

    I can be against all sorts of behaviors without resorting to harassment or abuse. This seems squarely aimed at intimidating replies to others or exhorting to violence. Seems this almost fall under regular law and Twitter is just enforcing it more directly.

    1. Re:Or maybe just abuse by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      Seems odd you can’t voice a dissenting opinion without what amounts to threatening violence to express your political opinion. You wouldn’t be Republican would you?

      I can be against all sorts of behaviors without resorting to harassment or abuse. This seems squarely aimed at intimidating replies to others or exhorting to violence. Seems this almost fall under regular law and Twitter is just enforcing it more directly.

      It's all about how the audience interprets what you said. With today's hyper PC attitudes on many trendy websites, saying something as innocent as "I won't vote for Hillary Clinton because her views on fighting ISIS are dumb." Could easily be intentionally misinterpreted as "I hate Hillary because she is a woman." in order to shut down any opinions that deviate from the site's group-think.

    2. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, these days "I don't like you because you like x" has been compared to rape and claims of PTSD. What is an opinion to some is a threat to others.

    3. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Could easily be intentionally misinterpreted

      Easily and intentionally and misinterpreted are an incompatible combination. You aren't misinterpreting something you do intentionally. Logical contortions are not often easy so that barely makes sense.

    4. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Bremen24601 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Far too many people believe that dissenting opinions are threatening and abusive in and of themselves.

      --
      Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. --Herbert Hoover
    5. Re:Or maybe just abuse by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Seems odd you can’t voice a dissenting opinion without what amounts to threatening violence to express your political opinion.

      For the sake of the argument, if I believe that the place of a women is at home, taking care of the kids while I support the family, ie. a traditional view of a nuclear family, that marriage is something religious between a man and a woman, that gun are tools to protect life, and that the US are based on Christian values (while being non-practicing myself) I would not be threatening anybody, yet, I would most likely get reported.

    6. Re:Or maybe just abuse by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems odd you can’t voice a dissenting opinion without what amounts to threatening violence to express your political opinion.

      This rule won't be used to ban users who threaten violence. It will be used to ban those all who disagree with the orthodox radical-leftist ideology of Silicon Valley SJW's. "Hate speech" has long-ago been broadened on the radical left to not only include speech which ACTUALLY threatens violence, but all speech which the hearer BELIEVES to be threatening, or intimidating, or to create a "hostile environment," or to be even remotely critical of them, etc, etc.

      In other words, it won't be used against posts saying "I'm going to kill you" (which are already illegal). It's going to be used against any post that disagrees with a very specific radical ideology.

      --
      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    7. Re:Or maybe just abuse by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Informative

      For anyone who thinks that the parent is exaggerating and who hasn't been following just how far down the rabbit-hole things have gone on the far-left (the ideology that dominates Silicon Valley these days, sadly), you should probably read up on topics like "Stare Rape" (and how it's not only hate speech, but also rape):

      http://boysmeneducation.com/go...

      --
      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    8. Re:Or maybe just abuse by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      > Could easily be intentionally misinterpreted

      Easily and intentionally and misinterpreted are an incompatible combination. You aren't misinterpreting something you do intentionally. Logical contortions are not often easy so that barely makes sense.

      Intentional misinterpretation is a VERY real thing,especially in public, politically charged settings. Just watch how a politician comments on something said by their opposition.

    9. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      "America is the land of opportunity"

      Is thought of as hate speech currently, and classified as a microaggression.

    10. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably. On the other hand, you'd make a hell of a presidential candidate as well.

    11. Re:Or maybe just abuse by JWW · · Score: 1

      Hey look you, set you strawman nicely on fire!!

      Well done.

    12. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's about ethics in freeze peach.

      Go fuck yourself, pissbaby. If you weren't such a rancid crowd, measures like this wouldn't be put in place.

    13. Re:Or maybe just abuse by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      I wish you were exaggerating. But there are leftist thinkers out there who have gone so far off into la-la-land as to think a statement like "I'm proud to be a Christian" is a statement of religious hatred (since they believe it implies that no one should be proud to be a Jew, Muslim, atheist, etc.). And those thinkers aren't even considered that radical anymore, especially on college campuses (and not just Berkley, mind you, we're talking state colleges in even some of the most conservative states).

      --
      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    14. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God you're not only dense but an idiot. Recognize your privilege fool.

    15. Re:Or maybe just abuse by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      Wow, strawman much?

      --
      Fully licensed blockchain psychiatrist
    16. Re:Or maybe just abuse by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      Recognize your privilege fool.

      This is true. I've been using my white male superpowers to stare at women my whole life without even realizing I was a rapist.

      Why wasn't this even mentioned at the secret white male meetings where we plot to keep everyone else down?

      --
      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    17. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying "I'm going to kill you" is not illegal. People do it a lot, and they are almost never serious when they do. That threat just isn't specific enough.

    18. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering if that is true (I haven't seen it yet), or if you just think it is true supported by others that also think it is true, contrary to what actually happens.

      Ignoring the slippery slope arguments posted every where in this thread and well, everywhere something happens. I'd say that Twitter as a company, and many others, don't have the resources to go after every infraction. At best, they'd just work to clean up those replying to specific targets. Effectively, I see this as their answer to things what ever GamerGate was.

      When I was 12 or so, I sent a short email to Geraldo Rivera telling him he was gay. I was a brat, certainly, but something as simple as that likely wouldn't even trigger a response.

      Now, if the response from Twitter was to make an aggressive automated system, like YouTube's content id system, then I could rightfully be more concerned.

      Now for some more information, this is a company deciding rules of conduct on its own service. This is not violating freedom of speech, as that is only a rule for the governing bodies to follow, and not for non-government companies. If there is enough of an audience that doesn't want to have a service "crippled" as Twitter is going to offer, they can very well go make their own, and who'd think that the people they would want to harass wouldn't be there either. Win / Win.

    19. Re:Or maybe just abuse by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      A strawman is fictional. Let's see how long it takes for the usual-suspect feminists/race-hustlers/professional-victims to start using this rule to get their critics banned from, or censored on, Twitter.

      If this never happens, I'll happily concede your point that it was just a strawman and will gladly rejoice that this rule was only used against the most vile terrorists, and not to promote a radical leftist ideology.

      --
      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    20. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a heavyweight champion, though it helps to imply domestic abuse at the same time.

    21. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google "Christian microaggression" and you'll see that there are indeed those who think that even the assertion of a Christian identity is an act of aggression against other religions.

      I wasn't paying attention to this stuff either, until Gamergate came along. I had no idea how batshit crazy things had become on the far left and on college campuses until I started reading some of the crazy shit being said by feminists in that debacle. When you start reading about things like "microaggressions", "white male privilege", "rape culture", "stare rape", and so on, you start to really get a sense of how mainstream college students can now be seriously asserting that only a white person can be racist, or that all men are rapists, or calling for gender and racial based "safe spaces" where free speech is banned.

    22. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit liberals openly threaten people for their views like calling for the death of the head of the NRA.

    23. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if they have a crazy conspiracy, they don't need to put a smokescreen of rules in place, they can just delete your shit without rules.

      When you say

      it won't be used against posts saying "I'm going to kill you" (which are already illegal).

      I think you're really confused. This isn't legislation. It's not germane whether or not it's legal.

    24. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my political opinion is that we should cull all the republicans

    25. Re:Or maybe just abuse by taustin · · Score: 1

      It isn't the being reported that's a problem. It's the report being taken seriously instead being a joke on the office bulletin board that's a problem.

    26. Re:Or maybe just abuse by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Put twitter to the test.

      Go search for something like "#killallmen" and start reporting users for threatening violence against people because of their sex.

      See how many are required to change what they post or are banned, vs. are just ignored.

      That'll be the real test if twitter is serious about what they say, or if it's just a SJW anti-conservative takeover.

      I know which my money would be on.

      --
      The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
    27. Re:Or maybe just abuse by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      OK, let's see if anyone reports you.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    28. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how Pride is considered a sin, being proud of something, I believe that is something Christians would seriously want to think about. What would Jesus say about such a statement?

      In any case, it's not at all unknown for such proclamations to be used as a bludgeon, and now you're even using it as an act of self-martyrdom.

      It doesn't take much radical thinking to contemplate your words, or consider your meaning more deeply. It does, however, take some knowledge of the past, and some examination of the present.

      The most amusing part of all that is that you can find lessons directly from the Bible speaking of this kind of experience. It wasn't unknown close to two thousand years ago, yet people like you expect people today to have no familiarity with it.

      Taking pride in something is a way to exalt it, and to exalt something is on the path to casting others down. You may want to portray it as a self-validating statement, but is it so hard for you to recognize the perils in making it?

      If so, then take note of how you use your perceptions of the reaction to it in order to justify your own condemnation of others.

      A dangerous path to walk. I suggest you open your eyes, the least you could admit how old this is. There's even a Greek Comedy about it.

      Wow, that is the most polite, erudite justification for the active persecution of dissenters that I've ever seen.

      Also....considering this comment, you may want to ask yourself, who's expecting you to persecute the alleged "SJW" and why they're using that method to sell the idea.

      That might be too much for you to get though.

    29. Re:Or maybe just abuse by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Hold on, you said the same thing last time Twitter updated its policies, and when Reddit did, and even when 4chan banned GanerGate. So the evidence should exist already. You should be and to point to specific examples of things feminists etc. used to get people banned that fit your criteria.

      Please either provide evidence or concede the point as you promised to.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    30. Re:Or maybe just abuse by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Note how the actual text written by the college doesn't say starring makes you a rapist, only the shitty article you linked does. What the college does say is that being a creep is creepy and you shouldn't do it. Pattern of behaviour rather than individual things etc.

      I'm convinced that the MRA movement is mostly people who find reading comprehension hard work, so just read the inaccurate summary without bothering to figure out of it is true out not. This /. article is a good example - even the summary doesn't say what MRA commentators assume it does, presumably because they were only able to skim read it for keywords.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    31. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, it won't be used against posts saying "I'm going to kill you" (which are already illegal)

      This is a common misconception, but actually, they're not. Of course if you utter those words and the target goes to the police there'll be consequences - at the very least I'd imagine that a cop would have a talk with you to figure out if you're serious -, but it's not a crime in and on itself.

      There are very few established restrictions on free speech. One thing that IS illegal under Supreme Court jurisprudence is incitement of imminent lawless action: essentially, whipping a mob into a frenzy and inciting them to e.g. lynch a person. If this happens, you cannot say "I only exercised my right to free speech, I have nothing to do with this lynching".

      There's also a specific law that bans threats against the president, so if you say "I'm going to kill the president" the Secret Service will pay you a visit, and you may get prosecuted. But even that requires a fairly specific threat; just "somebody should kill the president" or "I think we'd be better off if someone killed the president" or so would not be enough.

    32. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the rightwing think "I am an atheist" is a statement of religious hatred. Or that "there are other religions out there, lets not pretend yours is the only one" is "war on christmas", every fucking year.

    33. Re:Or maybe just abuse by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, in fairness, if we assume the opposite, and we assume they did read the summary, we're looking at a bunch of people who are saying "OMG! They're coming for hardline Islamic Terrorists! We anti-SJWs are obviously so similar to extremist religious fundamentalist anti-women anti-gay anti-people-not-like-us murderous nutjobs that we're obviously next!"

      In which case it's a fairly revealing admission...

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    34. Re:Or maybe just abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC, I "recognize my privilege", just not the way you fashionably think I should. I recognize the privileges I have worked very hard to obtain and I recognize the rights I have under the law.
      I also exercise them regularly, including the rights granted to me by the Second Amendment.

  12. irony by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    These new rules make me feel intimidated, harassed and I'll now be silent on Twitter out of fear.

    --
    I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
  13. Ban Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they are going to ban Trump?

    1. Re:Ban Trump by x0ra · · Score: 1

      I really hope so, it would prove he's right.

    2. Re:Ban Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bite. How would banning someone from Twitter that condones the deportation of millions of Americans based on their religious values prove that his opinions are correct? Waiting for a rational and unbiased view.

    3. Re:Ban Trump by x0ra · · Score: 1

      He's smart, and his rhetoric is just an amplification of the views of a non-negligible portion of the American population, .

    4. Re:Ban Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that means he's right how? An opinion that reflects that of a group of people makes it the correct opinion? I guess if you have the brain of a sheep that would make sense. FOLLOW THE HERD. THE HERD IS ALWAYS RIGHT.

    5. Re:Ban Trump by x0ra · · Score: 1

      From my point of view, yes. Though, you are free to disagree. Something that the modern Left won't let me the luxury of, as I will automatically be classified as sociopath, or having a mental disease of some sort.

    6. Re:Ban Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't recall him saying anything about deporting anyone based on religious values. I have, however, seen numerous people make up false quotes attributed to him though, in order to sensationalize it and justify their crusade against him.

  14. Tell me about the self-harm dpt. by sims+2 · · Score: 1, Funny

    My first thought is that twitter would implement it using a twitter bot. I think that would do more harm than good. Think about it anyone remember clippy?

    I see you are contemplating self harm would you like to:
    Chat with a certified chatbot?
    Email twitter support?
    Send a tweet with the hashtag #HELPME ?

    --
    Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
    1. Re:Tell me about the self-harm dpt. by bfpierce · · Score: 2

      Yes because there have been no advancements in machine learning since Clippy. None at all.

    2. Re:Tell me about the self-harm dpt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen any! Siri still gives me directions to McDonald, North Carolina when I ask for directions to the nearest McDonald's restaurant. I'm over 2,000 miles away from the North Carolina! Cortana is no better. The program I use most is NetBeans, and when I ask her to open NetBeans, she asks if I said "open lesbians." Yes in general, but that's not cool when I'm at work.

      Best I can tell, there's been zero advancement in consumer machine learning in the past twenty years.

    3. Re:Tell me about the self-harm dpt. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..I see you are contemplating self harm would you like to:
      Chat with a certified chatbot?
      Email twitter support?
      Send a tweet with the hashtag #HELPME ?....

      You missed out "Buy a gun"....

    4. Re:Tell me about the self-harm dpt. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I have yet to see anyone write a chat bot that could care. Much less carry on a conversation.

      My main concern is that twitter will take a entirely automated approach instead of using an algorithm to help a human find those who could use help and take appropriate action.

      --
      Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
  15. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if threatening to report someone to Twitter is considered to be hateful conduct.

  16. So no Trump campaigning? by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Prohibiting "behavior intended to harass, intimidate, or use fear to silence another user's voice"? Does that include the hate speech against muslims that has become a part of the Trump campaign's effort to get votes? The hate speech against "the great Satan" you get out of some in the middle-east? The hate speech again Israel you get out of millions of people worldwide? The hate speech against Palestine you get out of Israel? The hate speech against ISIS you get out Paris in the wake of the terrorist attacks? The hate speech against Parisian Jews you get out of Parisian Muslims?

    Isolationist, anti-foreigner Joe McCarthyism, Anti-Semitism, Donald-Trumpism, there is always someone trying to use fear and hate as part of a power grab in a country's domestic political narrative. Do we really want corporate leadership at Twitter to be in charge of deciding when that's okay and when it should be censored?

    1. Re:So no Trump campaigning? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      does it also go in the reverse? all the insults and vile things said about him just for disagreeing? comparisons to hitler? I mean do we really wanna go down this slippery slope??

      --
      have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
    2. Re:So no Trump campaigning? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Prohibiting "behavior intended to harass, intimidate, or use fear to silence another user's voice"? Does that include the hate speech against muslims that has become a part of the Trump campaign's effort to get votes? The hate speech against "the great Satan" you get out of some in the middle-east? The hate speech again Israel you get out of millions of people worldwide? The hate speech against Palestine you get out of Israel? The hate speech against ISIS you get out Paris in the wake of the terrorist attacks? The hate speech against Parisian Jews you get out of Parisian Muslims?

      In the best case, it will change people from saying, "I hate him" to "I don't like what he does."

      In the worst case, it will be partisan, ideological censorship.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:So no Trump campaigning? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If I never have to hear another comparison to Hitler.......oh, what a sweet day that would be.

      (Not at the cost of censorship, though).

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re:So no Trump campaigning? by ctid · · Score: 1

      Do we really want corporate leadership at Twitter to be in charge of deciding when that's okay and when it should be censored?

      WTF? It is their site. Who else should decide?

      --
      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    5. Re:So no Trump campaigning? by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      Do we really want corporate leadership at Twitter to be in charge of deciding when that's okay and when it should be censored?

      WTF? It is their site. Who else should decide?

      A bakery is their bakery, so who else should decide whether they have to make cakes for gay weddings? A cab company is their cab company, who else should decide whether they have to accept fares from black people? A building is that landlord's, who else should decide if they should accept Republican tenants?

      Sometimes what we do with out property affects others in ways that go beyond the bounds of what society is willing to accept or should be willing to accept. Control of channels of communication is a big deal--which is part of why net neutrality is important, for example, unless you want comcast deciding you will only see news articles that favor their favorite candidate. Twitter is a *massive* communications platform and their censorship policies should arguably be guarded against by more than corporate self-interest.

    6. Re:So no Trump campaigning? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Read it carefully. The goal has to be to silence another user's speech. So making those kinds of general statements is fine.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    7. Re:So no Trump campaigning? by ctid · · Score: 1

      Your analogy would work if Twitter's policies involved banning people for what they are (gay, black, republican etc). But they have no way of knowing that anyway. All they can do is police people's behaviour on their own site.

      --
      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
  17. twitter be like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chirp chirp... sieg heil! chirp chirp...

  18. Best of luck with this. by B33rNinj4 · · Score: 1

    The moment Twitter's pet SJWs run afoul of the rule will be the real test.

    1. Re:Best of luck with this. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure that happened moments after the rule came out.

    2. Re:Best of luck with this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not going to be a test, we already know how that will work out. The new rule will not apply to them and was never meant to.

  19. But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Muh freedomz!

  20. Hold on there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is it okay if I advocate violence against Assad or Putin or Bin Laden or any tin pot dictator? What about advocates for the very racist death penalty we have? Will they be banned? And what, they are going to have everyone hooked into the suicide hotline now? This is all very political.. Somebody is working to get people to demand the repeal of the 1st Amendment.

    Eh, whatever. They are really just looking after the bottom line. It could backfire though if the censorship becomes so draconian so as to help start up some competition: The New and Improved Uncut Punk Rock Twitter!

    1. Re:Hold on there by Dins · · Score: 1

      The New and Improved Uncut Punk Rock Twitter!

      I'd become a user in a heart beat.

    2. Re:Hold on there by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      I Uncut Punk Rock Twitter!

      that's the name of my Motorhead Tribute band

  21. "use fear to silence another user's voice" by NotDrWho · · Score: 0

    So may I presume that all SJW's who try to silence all dissenting opinions to their ideology will be banned?

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    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    1. Re:"use fear to silence another user's voice" by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      So may I presume that all SJW's who try to silence all dissenting opinions to their ideology will be banned?

      I hadn't thought of that. There could potentially be a positive outcome to this news!

    2. Re:"use fear to silence another user's voice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may presume the epithet "SJW" will be prohibited.

    3. Re: "use fear to silence another user's voice" by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Twitter intentionally excluded political orientation from their list of protected classes, so SJWs are free to call for killing conservatives and Republicans -- while reporting conservatives and Republicans as being hateful for asking that the US enforce immigration and employment laws.

    4. Re:"use fear to silence another user's voice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if the radical left gets to define what is and isn't an epithet.

  22. Nice! by _KiTA_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh, wow, so no more "Kill All Men" hashtag or "I Drink Male Tears" images? Because those are pretty damned hateful, even though it's apparently socially acceptable to hate men in a way that it's not for women...

    (Whisper, Whisper)

    Oh, that's still ok? Huh. Well, at least, no more "Men are the source of all school shootings in the world" type posts, right? Because that's a bigoted, ignorant, statement that ignores...

    (Whisper, Whisper)

    Huh. Well, ok, then at least they're going to block ISIS accounts and the people perpetuating the fake "Max Temkin is a Rapist" hate-crime posts, right? Because the former is a ltieral terrorist organization and the latter is a discredited hoax that people are using to try and destroy someone whose only crime is he's young, male, and heterosexu... 0000%#N$! NO CARRIER

    You have been blocked for Thoughtcrime against the Party, please delete your posts to be allowed back in.

    All this is going to do is give the psychotic misandric and racist losers (the so called "Social Justice Warriors," the left-wing authoritarian hate-mob that has infested the Liberals in the US) an in so they can continue to use bots to mass-report dissenting opinions and get them banned. They're already doing so, this just codifies it as official Twitter policy.

    1. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's a new moron born every minute.
      you're just the latest.

    2. Re:Nice! by dywolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if you cant post your "dissenting opinion" without "threatening people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease", then you have some issues you need to work on.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    3. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is stupidity considered a disability?

    4. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Triggered.

    5. Re:Nice! by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Can't tell for sure if you're male or female from your alias, but I will tell you this, friend: To appearances, I'm the sort of person these so-called 'SJWs' target, because they don't know me. In half a century of life I've known people from all walks of life, all different lifestyle choices, all different circumstances of birth, and to be specific for the topic of this whole discussion thread, I've known 'real' feminists, and I've known so-called 'feminazis', and I can tell you that there's a huge difference between the two, and that just like the evening TV news, only the flashiest, loudest, and most sensationalistic of the two types gets noticed. Also, many of you seem to not realize that at least 50% (if not an even larger number) of your so-called 'social justice warriors' online, are just trolls leveraging something that's sure to get everyone's underwear in a bunch; it's a low-hanging-fruit subject to use. Sadly discerning the difference between the trolls and the True Zealots isn't easy.. but I diverge; the takeaway here is that women can get as terminally butthurt and bitter as men can, as you can see from their behavior. I urge you to not fall into the downward-spiral trap of lumping all of them -- and their male cronies -- together with everyone else, it's a negative-sum game.

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      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    6. Re: Nice! by Entrope · · Score: 1

      So being so insensitive to the mentally unwell (and others who "have issues"). Someone might report you to the Twitter Police for hateful conduct.

    7. Re:Nice! by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Oh, wow, so no more "Kill All Men" hashtag or "I Drink Male Tears" images? Because those are pretty damned hateful, even though it's apparently socially acceptable to hate men in a way that it's not for women...

      I'm pretty sure Twitter will continue to have a better understanding of concepts like irony and satire than, apparently, you're showing here, and will allow people to make fun of the image those who hate them paint them as.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    8. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem:

      SJWs view *any dissenting opinion* as a threat on the basis of their race, sex, preferred made up bullshit pronoun, cat's favorite flavor of ice cream, etc etc etc. So yeah, this is basically going to end up being a tool for echo chambering SJW bullshit.

      Then again, Twitter itself is basically useless and I can only hope that this hastens its demise.

    9. Re:Nice! by _KiTA_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you cant post your "dissenting opinion" without "threatening people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease", then you have some issues you need to work on.

      Ok, lets talk about what they claim, and how this will go down in reality. Because Twitter has a really bad track record of saying one thing and enforcing another.

      For example. There is a delightful young transwoman named Sarah Nyberg who has been harassing gamers on twitter for months now. (But that's ok, because harassing neuroatypical white males is socially acceptable. Especially if they're overweight and straight, too.)

      Sarah Nyberg is a pedophile. She openly admits this. She also openly admits that she took photos of her 8 year old niece in her underwear and shared them online. She openly admits that doing so gave her an erection.

      She admits all of this, but that it was ok because some people were rude to her and that's somehow worse.

      TALKING about this, due to Sarah Nyberg being part of the SJW clique, results in you being mass-reported by a botnet and your account auto-locked by Twitter's algorithms until you delete the "harassing" posts.

      The people doing this openly brag about doing this. Twitter does not care.

      Twitter can post all the fluff pieces about how this is going to combat trolls and harassers they want. People who have been the victim of this passive agressive "crybullying" know that the authoritarian nutjobs involved claim any disagreement with their socio-political views is "harassment" or "Cyberviolence" and that Twitter apparently agrees with them.

    10. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I attack Saudi Arabia for their extreme brand of Wahhabism? Can I attack them for their religiously based misogyny? Or any twitter user that supports this bullshit?

    11. Re:Nice! by valnar · · Score: 2

      So I can't say that certain Islamists are asshats for beheading westerners? Or call Scientologists batshit crazy? What if it's true?

      It sounds like Twitter is run by some really leftist people. The inevitable problem with that is they will eventually be intolerant of everything.

    12. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, wow, so no more "Kill All Men" hashtag or "I Drink Male Tears" images? Because those are pretty damned hateful, even though it's apparently socially acceptable to hate men in a way that it's not for women...

      I'm pretty sure Twitter will continue to have a better understanding of concepts like irony and satire than, apparently, you're showing here, and will allow people to make fun of the image those who hate them paint them as.

      So you can say something hateful, provided you feel slighted by the people you're spouting hate about, and do so in a vagely ironic way?

      Somehow, I feel the "Rape The Feminazis" hashtag wouldn't go over as well as "Kill All Men."

    13. Re:Nice! by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      That might be true if the increasingly dominant radical-leftist ideology didn't define include "expressing a dissenting opinion" as *itself* a threatening act. Oh, excuse me, to use their language "creating a hostile environment."

      --
      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    14. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > if you cant post your "dissenting opinion" without "threatening people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease", then you have some issues you need to work on.

      Their point is that the rules that are written and the rules that are followed are different, so you've quite neatly missed the point.

      You can pervert a good rule by enforcing it selectively.

    15. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want a great example of this, Twitter has blackholed the #Right2Game hashtag. You know, because it's hate speech, and not an IndieGogo campaign by Twin Galaxies and supported by the Nerdist, Stan Lee, and others.

      But the idea of gamers having a right to be gamers so offends the SJW Twitter crowd, they got Twitter to hide #Right2Game from the trending tweets and block it from autocompleting. Apparently merely talking about the right to play the games you like is enough to "threaten people on the basis of" a giant list of SJW buzzwords I don't feel like repeating.

    16. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so as long as I claim you hate me, I can say whatever I want about you? Awesome.

    17. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, a satire of -that- being run as KillAllWomen would be banned almost instantly.

    18. Re:Nice! by taustin · · Score: 1

      Your reply is after his post, so no, he's the second to latest.

    19. Re:Nice! by taustin · · Score: 1

      As do people who can't read any opinion they disagree with without feeling threatened.

    20. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gamers

      neuroatypical

      Thanks for the chuckle.

    21. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what if the mere existence of a dissenting opinion is considered to be threatening by those whom complain the loudest and most often?

    22. Re: Nice! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In what way are the Twitter rules applicable to the merely insensitive?

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    23. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're saying that there are decent people who are feminists and such or who believe in social justice for real... we know that. I'm not against social justice itself!

      I'm against self-righteous people who look for someone to attack and turn into a public enemy and the moral panics created in their wake, which are also known as SJWs. I realize that very word triggers some people, but if you're offended by the above (the crazy hate squad people), then I have no beef with you, nor do I think that everyone who might believe what you do is crazy.

      So I don't have a problem with removing hate from Twitter per se, rather I have a beef with the way they're unlikely to enforce that ToS evenhandedly. Things that are wrong don't magically become okay when certain people do them.

    24. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen dywolf threaten users based on their anonymous status before, talking down to them like they were less than a person. Lucky for dywolf this isn't Twitter.

    25. Re:Nice! by kheldan · · Score: 0

      How about this idea:
      1. Lets give the decision-makers at Twitter credit for wanting to do something to fight back against the big-league assholes of the world, which at the moment happens to be a certain group of Sunni extremists who laughingly refer to themselves as the 'Islamic State', and appreciate that it must take some courage on their part to do so, because in doing so they're going to draw fire (perhaps in the literal sense) from the aforementioned Sunni extremists.

      2. Let's also recognize that having made the decision to act, now they're presented with the formidable, perhaps impossible, task of actually implementing that decision; there won't be anything easy about it, and it'll either take monstrous amounts of manpower, or it'll take a software-driven approach, and in either case Mistakes Will Be Made. So let's give them some breathing room, shall we? Pointing a finger at every mistake they make along the way, screaming "Help, help, I'm being oppressed!" isn't going to improve the situation for anyone on any side of things.

      If I haven't made myself clear on this: I, for one, applaud them in trying to prevent one of the most popular social media platforms on the worldwide Internet from being used as a communications and recruiting system for literally the worst Humanity has to offer, and hope what they're trying to do is a success, because if it is then, in my opinion, they're striking a blow for civilization and for Freedom of Speech, because the people they're trying to reign in are actually against Freedom of Speech.

      --
      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    26. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time you neo-Marxists get all enraged and put your fingers to the keyboards, you show the world exactly why you want to shut down any voice contrary to your own: because you break down like children and resort to name calling, and you're embarrassed by it.

    27. Re:Nice! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The irony is that he managed to but still thinks he would be banned because he didn't read the summary properly.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    28. Re:Nice! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You know that the article you linked to actually explains why shitheads like you are going to get banned. She and her family were doxed, the police got involved (and cleared her after examining the bullshit claims), she was deadnamed, and someone on 4chan even called on others to drive her to suicide.

      And you are surprised that Twitter doesn't consider that an acceptable use of its service?

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    29. Re:Nice! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You know that the article you linked to actually explains why shitheads like you are going to get banned.

      Sounds to me like under these policies, both sides should be banned. But it's only happening to one side.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    30. Re: Nice! by Entrope · · Score: 1

      The particular choice of language was clearly intended to "harass [or] intimidate" its target into silence.

    31. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is "deadnaming?" Is that when you use someone's real, legal name, and not their made up bullshit "I'm pretending to be something I'm blatantly not" name?

      If I were to look up your real name, would I be "deadnaming" you?

      What is this bullshit?

    32. Re: Nice! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Really? It doesn't clearly do it, or I would interpret it that way.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    33. Re: Nice! by Entrope · · Score: 1

      You have not been properly educated in goodthink, comrade.

      More serioiusly, the core problem with speech codes like this one is that they are terribly subjective and thus prone to uneven, biased enforcement.

    34. Re:Nice! by _KiTA_ · · Score: 1

      Deadnaming is when you use someone's birth name when they have legally changed it. It's usually used in the context of transgendered people who have transitioned and legally changed their names, although idiotic coddled children on Social Media also use it to mean "you called me my old alias I'm not DarkRavenBloodyAngel anymore I'm PreciousPrincessPatriarchySmasher now, get it right!"

      But yeah, actually deadnaming a real transgendered person is kinda a hateful dickish thing to do, but like all things these social justice warriors latch on to that one little bit of socially unacceptable behavior (deadnaming a transgendered person) and embrace and extend it for their own use (deadnaming a transgendered person becomes "using an unapproved name that can change at any time for anyone, anywhere"). They also try to dishonestly conflate deadnaming with doxing or outing people as transgender, which are not the same thing, at all.

      There's also the fact that the people deadnaming her are in arguments with Sarah Nyberg, and the normal rules of decorum don't necessarily apply. For example, is it hateful to call Sarah Nyberg as her deadname if you're doing so not to be bigoted, but because it pisses her off and you're arguing with her?

      And if there is a magical list of things that are just off limits to say, how come it's only the one side that get to add to that ever growing list? How come I can't say "ok, attacking someone based on (them being on the autistic spectrum / a person's race (even if it's white) / their having social anxiety / etc) isn't ok" and get it taken seriously, but the other side gets their constantly changing list enforced by Twitter / Facebook / Tumblr / etc?

      But yeah, to put it a more succinct way: Sarah Nyberg is a disgusting, vile racist pedophile, and that's bad enough. Trying to conflate her gender dysphoria as just as bad as that or what have you is probably going too far. But she's a vile piece of shit who spends her day trolling on the Internet, so maybe she reaps what she sows?

    35. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no.

      She wasn't doxxed. That was a defense about the IRC logs. Someone pointed out the Whois data of the server pointed to her, she screamed "that's doxxing" to try and prevent people from discussing that.

      She wasn't cleared of anything and has admitted the IRC logs are real. The police didn't do anything because the statute of limitations had passed.

      She was deadnamed but so fucking what? Are we all required to respect a hateful bigoted pedophile's personal pronouns?

      Some anonymous troll on an anonymous image board called on other anonymous people to harass her? Well ho-lee-shit, I had no idea that's all I had to do in order to get special treatment for myself on social media, I'll go make some anonymous threats to myself immediately.

      She's a pathetic troll with a mental disorder who has been enabled by dozens of fake liberals all in the name of virtue signalling. You have given no valid reasons why she should be given a special exception to the twitter rules or special protection by the twitter staff, other than that she apparently knows the right people.

  23. Let's protect free speech by censoring speech! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The irony and hypocrisy is palpable. The only party with the power to silence people on Twitter is Twitter itself.

  24. nope! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never. If the left didn't have double standards, they'd never have any standards.

  25. Ugh... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    Censoring free speech is awful. Not as bad as islam, but still awful. This is a mistake.

    1. Re:Ugh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not nearly as bad as abusing free speech.

  26. This sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else use the Twitter API with Hadoop to analyze such things as say, hate speech? Well not anymore.

  27. Might. by mongothesecond · · Score: 1

    "Twitter might respond to reports that somebody is considering 'self-harm'" Well, it seemed like a good idea to roll out our new policy all in one go, but make sure there wont be any legal liability problems if we fail or choose not to act. Anyone want to bet the terms of service will protect Twitter if they report someone incorrectly to mental health professionals, and thus cause problems in that persons life?

  28. Twitter is not a Government by bfpierce · · Score: 1

    They can censor anything they want to, or not censor anything they want to.

    This isn't a 'Free Speech' issue, so all the anti-SJW's can go back to their homes, nothing more to see here.

    1. Re:Twitter is not a Government by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      They can censor anything they want to, or not censor anything they want to.

      This isn't a 'Free Speech' issue, so all the anti-SJW's can go back to their homes, nothing more to see here.

      It isn't a constitutional free speech issue, but it is still an issue of being able to speak freely.

    2. Re:Twitter is not a Government by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      They can censor anything they want to, or not censor anything they want to.

      True. And a good thing, too. It's their business, and they can run it the way they like. If I think they're idiots, that's fine. Because they're welcome to think I'm an idiot too, and I'd like to preserve the right to run my businesses the way I want to.

      This isn't a 'Free Speech' issue, so all the anti-SJW's can go back to their homes, nothing more to see here.

      Alas, you're wrong on the important part here. The low-information special snowflake crowd will see this is a moral victory. It reinforces their tender little toddler-like world view, and emboldens them to be more blind to SJW hypocrisy, and seek more of this sort of thing in the public sector. And unfortunately a lot of them vote, and let their twisted world view influence actual public policy. Pointing out the toxicity of orthodox political correctness is always important.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    3. Re:Twitter is not a Government by macaddict · · Score: 1

      It isn't a constitutional free speech issue, but it is still an issue of being able to speak freely.

      What? Twitter is not preventing you from "speaking freely". They just don't want you to do it in their private business. You can go set up your own social network on your own server and "speak freely" all the hate you want.

      Twitter is under no obligation, legally or morally, to provide a soap box for bigots and extremists. Just as a grocery store is within its rights, legally and morally, to kick out a person who is running up and down the aisles ranting racist shit. And a newspaper is under no obligation, legally or morally, to print a paranoid call to violence in its Letters to the Editor.

      Everyone loves to pick on the SJWs (ok, admittedly they sometimes make it too easy), but there are a helluva lot of people on the other side with just as much of a Special Snowflake Syndrome, who think that everyone owes them a platform (for free!) to spew whatever hateful shit they want.

    4. Re:Twitter is not a Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This shit is so boring. I guess Slashdot has truly jumped the shark and it wasn't Dice or Beta or Timothy that killed it - it was the tedious anti-SJW nutjobs and their whining that destroyed it. I don't know anyone like the people you all rail against, but if they are half the whiny bitches you guys are they must be a real bunch of annoying cunts.

      Its sad, because in some small way you have a valid point about 'giving offence' being taken too far, but you have (deliberately?) missed the point and turned it into some kind of childish whine (the whine of the over-privileged 'victim'). I know this is water off a duck's back will no doubt just boost your belief in your own victimhood, but maybe take a look back at what you post and rethink how you express yourself - you might find you get some respect back.

      On the other hand, if you're just a troll - Bravo!

    5. Re:Twitter is not a Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can censor anything they want to, or not censor anything they want to.

      Would you be okay if someone started a heterosexuals-only social media site and banned all homosexuals from using it? I mean, they're a private company so they can censor anything they want to, right?

    6. Re:Twitter is not a Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know anyone like the people you all rail against, but if they are half the whiny bitches you guys are they must be a real bunch of annoying cunts.

      Why yes, yes they are. They are students at Ivy League schools who, for example, gleefully sign petitions encouraging the repeat of the First Amendment in the interests of minimizing people's exposure to uncomfortable thoughts. They are the journalism professors who, when approached by an actual journalist at a public protest, shouts out "We need to get some muscle over here!" to run off the journalist, since she wanted to maintain the protest as a "safe space" where the screeching anti-free-speech (the IRONY!) protesters wouldn't feel uncomfortable being observed by a reporter. How can you be unaware of the prevalence of this stuff across academia? How can you consider pointing out the insanity of these people (who are out promising to vote in the millions for people like Hillary Clinton, who - depending on the audience - agrees with them) to be "childish whining?"

      Your complaints about people playing the victim are aimed at exactly the wrong folks. It's the breathless SJW types who invent phrases like "micro-aggression" to describe people like YOU. Why, you challenged the tone of what I said! That is HURTFUL! That is aggression on your part! You need to be stopped from your aggressive dominance in society. THAT is what we're up against, here - people who actually, really talk like that, and vote like that.

    7. Re:Twitter is not a Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us consider things like the closing of previously open platforms and private control of the public sphere to be bad things. If we want an internet with the potential for meaningful dissent, we should worry when platforms with more users than many countries do this stuff.

      Private businesses in the business of providing forums need regulations to ensure they provide them in a fair and unbiased manner.

  29. Religious affiliation is extemely political. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is, after all, a personal choice, just like choosing republican or democrat, themselves being a sort of "religion". I was born into a very republican family. Why can't I have the same protection as the Jews or Catholics? What about Scientologists? Where is the love?

    Twitter is un-American! Maybe we should ban it...

    1. Re:Religious affiliation is extemely political. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if you're trying to write satire or irony and hypocrisy are just lost on you. It's so sad that we've reached a point of discourse that I can no longer tell if someone is being satirical or serious.

    2. Re:Religious affiliation is extemely political. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try using your brains, Abby!

      I happen to think republicans have the same rights as Catholics, don't you?

  30. these arent negotiable, and never were. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Twitter is a business. You, the cattle, are free to imbibe at the trough so long as you dont:
    1. kick or bite other cattle
    2. produce bad milk. Just because youre the biggest user of the pasture, doesnt mean you own the farm.

    --
    Good people go to bed earlier.
    1. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by Dins · · Score: 1

      Right. So let's start a competing farm.

    2. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by Lodlaiden · · Score: 1

      A competing farm where the cows are free to post comments up 280 characters?

      --
      Suborbital [spaceflight] is the special olympics of spaceflight. - Rei
    3. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Right. So let's start a competing farm.

      Yep, Competing farm for all the cattle who kick, bite and spew bad milk can hang out. I predict that will lead to a lively, interesting community with genuine free speech where people expressing unpopular opinions won't get harassed until they leave by mobs.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    4. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by ctid · · Score: 1

      280 characters? That's crazy talk!

      --
      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
    5. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by taustin · · Score: 1

      Even Reddit learned the folly of such thinking. Eventually.

    6. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but enough about 8chan

    7. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by maharvey · · Score: 1

      140 characters ought to be enough for anybody

    8. Re:these arent negotiable, and never were. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone already did that, it's called 4chan.

  31. Good riddance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say good riddance! I never liked twitter anyway. Nice to see they're killing themselves.

    1. Re:Good riddance by maharvey · · Score: 1

      Complete agreement. The platform does not support meaningful dialog or depth, so it just ends up being a soapbox for narcissists and contributing to the atrophication of this generation's attention span.

  32. Gross. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that I'm in the minority here, but it really grinds my gears that a growing number of people constantly use the wrong nouns and adjectives to describe things. Superlatives are one thing, but intentionally using words ironically just makes you seem like a moron that shouldn't be taken seriously.

  33. Here's a suggestion... by nuckfuts · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Instead of

    "You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of..."

    How about

    "You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people." PERIOD

    1. Re:Here's a suggestion... by ia.echo.hotel · · Score: 1

      I suppose Twitter wanted to leave in cheering for approved troops in approved conflicts shooting and killing approved targets?
      Or possibly calls for the death penalty in criminal cases?
      Seems pretty weasley to me

    2. Re:Here's a suggestion... by ia.echo.hotel · · Score: 2

      Oh and you can still threaten people over
      Politics
      Profession (wouldn't want the vegans to not be able to call for the killing of cattle farmers)
      Sports team affiliation (Can't lose the Football Hooligan Demographic)
      Video games
      Geographic location more specific than nationality
      Economic class
      Social class
      Skin color in an intraracial context
      Sexuality beyond gender preference & identification (Damn Furries)
      Product consumption / brand preference
      musical taste
      Gangs
      Past criminal record

      See plenty of avenues for hate left open.

    3. Re:Here's a suggestion... by Lodlaiden · · Score: 2

      It sounds like you're not in support of cheering for the troops? What kind of anti-patriotic soul are we dealing with here?

      --
      Suborbital [spaceflight] is the special olympics of spaceflight. - Rei
    4. Re:Here's a suggestion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, though if you really have to put in a qualifier, how about, "for any reason."
      That would make it:
      "You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people for any reason."

      Since virtually every country in the world, at least among those that have access to the internet & twitter, already have laws against that type of speech in the first place, including the USA.
      Of course, some people just don't get it unless you do the equivalent of slapping on the phrase, "... even on the internet.".

    5. Re:Here's a suggestion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great! You good sir just stopped all future wars and conflicts.

      "We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction." --Potsdam Declaration July 26, 1945

      That passage I just quoted is clearly promoting violence against / directly attack / threaten other people and should be banned right?

  34. Can’t joke about violence: no freedom of spe by Theovon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don’t joke about harming people. It’s stupid and rude. Hell, I don’t joke about harming terrorists. I just make statements about how they need to be stopped. And there are a few cases that I believe are criminal, like threatening to kill the US president. Anyone who threatens to commit voilence or even jokes about it deserves to be smacked around (but in a figurative sense, of course).

    That being said, I think that explicitly prohibiting statements like this is a can of worms that you don’t want to deal with.

    Actually, twitter prohibiting this kind of speech is totally legal, because it’s a private business.

    But what I’m concerned about is any time a stupid joke can be taken too seriously by humorless people in authority, and some kid’s life gets ruined because they had a moron moment.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that I believe that, with the exception of a few very rare cases, all speech should be protected, no matter how stupid it is.

    And don’t get me started on this “safe zone” bullshit that’s been popping up at universities.

  35. There's go any hope for subscriber growth by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Wall Street already doesn't like Twitter's lack of growth and if they eliminate hateful trolls and fake accounts then Twitter is going to have to start eliminate analysts' twitter accounts as well because the projections are going to be rather 'hateful' as well.

  36. Friday kind of Wednesday by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I guess with the holiday and all, we could just go ahead and consider today Friday, right? I mean, it's not like anybody's doing any work.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re: Friday kind of Wednesday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol you caught me. Back to work for me.

    2. Re:Friday kind of Wednesday by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Even though even the summary says this is about Twitter making it easier for themselves to ban groups like ISIL, it does look as if that's the attitude most of Slashdot is taking today...

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  37. Re:Can’t joke about violence: no freedom of by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Why do you hate worms so?

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  38. Re:Can’t joke about violence: no freedom of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >And don’t get me started on this “safe zone” bullshit that’s been popping up at universities.

    safe zones are for over-privileged pre-teens pretending to be adults. Mommy should have taken them out of teh bubble wrap for a few years before sending them off to college.

  39. Poor Twitter by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Poor Twitter. Nobody understands that they're only censoring us for our own good. I love it when people do that, it gives me a warm feeling, like I just shit my pants.

  40. No more star wars on twitter by Xac · · Score: 0

    It condones violence. Most movies do, in fact. Most historical events do. It's amazing how everyone would rather have a totalitarian state than microaggressions.

  41. Oh yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure this will work out fine and there won't be any problems implementing it whatsoever, nor will there be any abuse of the system.

    Next up: Twitter Bans Bad Thoughts, Says They Make Baby Jesus Cry

  42. "did not disclose enforcement strategy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's what happened to Ian Murdock. Yikes....too soon?

  43. Hate speech is okay if directed toward white men. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill all white people = celebrated, encouraged movement on twitter.

    Kill all men = brave feminist movement that is embraced on twitter both officially and by its userbase.

    Criticizing BLM members for violent acts = banned hate speech.

    Criticizing a feminist for a post about literally putting all men in prison camps = ILLEGAL HATE SPEECH SHITLORD!

  44. What will Trump do now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease."

  45. Ban != enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just a distraction so they can say.. see, we did something!

    Do you see any way to report the behavior? Anyway to follow up on that report or find out the outcome? no...

    1. Re:Ban != enforcement by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes, you can report it. I think I reported five GG people who were harassing certain Twitter posters today.

      On the other hand, it's not integrated into the tweet itself, it's more of an individual account thing. Which is kind of silly.

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  46. Since when did threats become an opinion? by westlake · · Score: 1

    Twitter ban 'dissenting political opinions'.

    Twitter is free to ban whatever it chooses. It is their forum --- their platform -- not yours.

    That said, free speech cannot survive in an environment that lacks civility and is open to unrelenting personal attacks and threats of violence. Hate speech is the oldest and most subtle eternal enemy of free speech.

    Twitter ban 'dissenting political opinions'.

    You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease.

    1. Re:Since when did threats become an opinion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter is free to ban whatever it chooses. It is their forum --- their platform -- not yours.

      Since you're such a champion of a private companies' rights to ignore their customers' rights of free speech, may I also assume you're cool with companies ignoring their customers' other civil rights too? Because there is a petition going around to support businesses who want to deny their services to homosexuals and I was wondering if I could get a champion of business rights like you to support the cause. It's their platform, not yours, right?

  47. "Twitter Bans 'Hateful Conduct' " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There goes more than half of Trump's followers....

  48. It's not censorship by ctid · · Score: 1

    It's their site. They don't have to host you if they don't want to. There is nothing to stop you posting stuff elsewhere. But you probably knew that.

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  49. Nothing to do with free speech or censorship by ctid · · Score: 1

    Twitter is a private business. What they allow on their service is entirely up to them. If they don't want to host somebody or some organisation, that's up to them. Not hosting somebody is not the same as censoring them and it doesn't impinge on that person's free speech.

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  50. Who other than idiots gives a fuck about Twitter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other than people who have a financial stake, Twitter matters less than used toilet
    paper, to anyone with intelligence and common sense.

  51. such as tweets about Israel's ethnic cleansing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i can see it now - tweet about Palestinian ethnic cleansing - banned. tweet about reasons to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians - no problem!

  52. Oh the idiocy... by Simulant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...in these comments.

  53. Just deleted account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing this remided me I had an account but wondered why.

  54. WTF is wrong with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there any adults here today? Or just poor persecuted white boys?

    1. Re:WTF is wrong with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here. There are plenty of wealthy oppressive black girls here on Slashdot, especially since Dice took over. I don't know why they're so quiet today, usually we can't get them to shut up.

  55. Re:Can’t joke about violence: no freedom of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And there are a few cases that I believe are criminal, like threatening to kill the US president.
     
    Care to explain why one person's life is worth more than another to you?

  56. Re:when by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    did slashdot get taken over by MRA/gamergate trash

    Somewhere back in 2004.

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  57. Russian Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very good rules, our troll network successfully closed dozens of anti-Russia, anti-Putin accounts from Russia and Ukraine yesterday. You should not produce hate speech against Great Mr. Putin or Great Russia or Twitter will kill you! If you stick with loathing black monkey from DC, you will be fine.

  58. flagged or flogged or modded out of existence? by nicoleb_x · · Score: 1

    I don't twit with the twits, but maybe I'll start. I'll have to find some nice Rev Rice quotes and twit them. I'll be happy to have my accounts flagged or flogged or modded out of existence.

  59. twitter banned a friend alerting people to scammer by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine's account was banned because she was warning people on Twitter about Aaron Brown, now going by "Timmer", who was convicted of wire fraud and embezzlement, as well as lost a lawsuit after defrauding a charity, then left the US to escape having to pay. He's highly active in the Barcelona area, professes to be a wine expert.

    She's been following his activity on twitter, and tweeting people who interact with him, warning them about him.

    Bam - account permanently deactivated a few weeks ago. Gone. All her tweets, years worth, gone. Nobody to talk to, nobody to appeal to, no process. Account disabled, end of story.

    Twitter is now allowing scammers to use its anti-harassment policies to silence people warning others about them. Good job, Twitter...

  60. Amazed the LGBT crowed isn't furious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shows like RuPaul's Drag race would be banned from Twitter in a heart beat over the "hateful" things they roast contestants over.

  61. Fitting Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

    - C.S. Lewis

  62. Re:Can’t joke about violence: no freedom of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't discuss the reasons you think a certain group is dangerous enough to warrant violent responses without resorting to "...the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability or disease", then you're a bigot who's trying to make flimsy excuses for your prejudices.

    Stick to factual, reasoned arguments about war crimes, hate crimes, and violence perpetrated by the people you want to be violent towards, and you'll be fine.

  63. Awww gee! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    Having never used Twitter, I cannot tell you how much this upsets me.

    Nope, I cannot.

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  64. Adam baldwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He gets (temporarily) banned from twitter for saying something along the lines of "the opposition is ugly and unable to get laid" as a joke, but when people who oppose him say the exact same thing directly to individuals, its absolutely fine.

    1. Re:Adam baldwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SJWs are disgusting deviants whom I'd consider punching in the face should I be exposed to one in person.

  65. Citizens united by Snufu · · Score: 1

    SCOTUS: "Twitter is a corporation and entitled to free speech. Its users...not so much."

  66. Pot meet kettle by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    I love how some people get bent out of shape when other want to exercise their 1st Amendment rights. "Oh, but that doesn't apply here!" Oh, okay, so then corporations really are people. Which is it? Either the Bill of Rights applies to everyone, everywhere, in every case... or it doesn't.

  67. Coddling of the American Mind by IsoQuantic · · Score: 1

    The coddling of the American Mind:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/mag...

    Sigh

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  68. They banned their own TOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "behavior intended to harass, intimidate, or use fear to silence another user's voice" includes their own TOS.

    They banned their own TOS?

  69. Protect The Word-Slaves!!! by Ruralhack · · Score: 0

    Are you Nature's Creation or a Human Creation? Have you ever heard of the Physics of Inheritance? Mothers give birth to babies. Babies never give birth to mothers. The Physics of Inheritance. Once again, are you Nature's Creation or a Human Creation? Did you give birth to your mommy? Are you biology or abc's? Machines are programmed with alphabetic technology. Language Automation of trusting children into Human Generated Time is programmed with alphabetic technology. Language Automation is strong. I'm signalling you. Are you living against physics? Living against physics takes maintenance. Every generation living against physics becomes more dangerous. As yourself, where did language Automation Begin? http://i.imgur.com/pEza9Ig.png Once again, what would you be without Alphabetic Technology? What would you be without Recorded History? What would you be without that word parrot in your head? Are you still on Ignore to Ignorant? Processing alphabetic technology is an electromechanical act. I'll shut up. 1000's Culture > 1 Nature = Language Automation | It is the Law! Please don't fly planes into buildings, love johnny

  70. Nothing about Political Ideology, I see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing about Political Ideology, I see. You wouldn't want to spoil the leftists' chief means of intimidating it's opposition, now, would you?