i don't think hymn is in violation of the DMCa, but only on a technicality. The DMCA, says it's illegal to remove or hack through a security system. to the best of my knowledge, hymn, actually prevents the DRM from being placed ont he file in the first place. small technicality, but it might save you.
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You simply don't understand. It is not "acceptance of a fetish". Porn represents this not as a "fetish" but as a normal activity which the recipient is supposed to enjoy. And the rejection of this act is equated to rejection of the person by the rejectee.
And we don't even have to go as far as the extremes of fetishes. When "normal" gets expanded through desensitization, the one who has not been desensitized isn't going to accept this as normal just because someone tells them to.
Nope. It is not a problem that some people can handle it. It is a problem that it creates mythic figures that we wish to see in others, and by doing so lessens our ability to see others as what they are.
This still reflects a form of escapism from reality, of which, porn is one of many different ways to do. The fact that people need this isn't an indightment of porn, it's a simple fact of life. People WANT a fantasy, people want to see things that are more than themselves. Personally i think Professional Sports and Hollywood are as much if not a greater problem when dealing with escapism. They build up unreaslitic heroes. Either way, that's the world we live in and we need to understand the difference. If we don't we get affected by it. To attack porn as the cause is ignoring the real problem.
When you ask someone out to the movies and they say "no", do you assume they don't like movies, or that they don't want to go to one with you? If you do this repeatedly, to the point that you can rule out simple schedule conflicts, then what it left? If this is not "rejection", then why is rejection such a painful part of the adolescent process, to the point that boys are paralyzed into inaction? Why is it a stereotypical teenager who says "I'd like to ask her out, but she'd just say no and I'd be embarassed"?
This is a completly different issue here. You were trying to explain how Bukkake could ruin a relationship. This situation isn't even yet a relationship. When you ask soemone out and they reject you, that just means they aren't attracted to you. You were originally talking about two peopel already in an established relationship and one of them thinks that a rejection of a fetish they have is a rejection of their love. On the other hand, I am saying, that roots down to a big problem with their psyche that would exist with or without the porn.
If the porn is the cause of the apparent rejection, then while there may be more serious issues, the causal factor is still the porn.
That cause of the rejection is NOT porn, the cause of the rejection is that one person and the other have different tastes. People need to learn to deal with that. The porn, in this case, is just an expression of that different taste.
Once again, a single anectode is being used as proof.
All i need is one example to demonstrate that the author's 100 is not conclusive proof. The authour chose 100 negative examples and only gave them... no examples of zero affect or positive affect. To me, that is being dishonest. It tries to represent those 100 as some kind of conclusive evidence. How do we know that they didnt' survey 1000 people, or 1,000,000 and just picked the 100 worst example? Considering the millions of people who watch porn, 100 people is just as useless an example as one.
Yes, if we were all perfect, porn would not be a problem. But it is that "perfection" that porn shows us that makes imperfection just that much more of a problem.
When I can have a "girlfriend" that never says no to even the most bizzare and humiliating acts; who never argues with me, always does for me what I want done, and doesn't rip my clothes to shreds after a bitter breakup, why in heaven's name would I dare try for the real thing? It is that disconnection between real people and the real fantasy that is the problem. Would I be better off with the fantasy, or with a (series of) real person? I can answer that: the latter is much better, but when the former is so
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If soemone honestly thinks that the acceptence or disapproval of a fettish is a determinant of someone else's love, then they have MUCH more serious issues than porn. That's the whole point i'm trying to make with my several posts here... it's not the porn that's the problem, it's that some people can handle it, some people can't.
Not specifically Bukkake, but i've suggested some things that would be kinky to my gf. Some she liked the idea, others she didn't. Neither way did that hurt our relationship any.
The real problem isn't porn, but insecurity, closed mindedness, or a host of other things. All of them can be set off by many things other than porn, why not try and deal with the real root issue.
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but the harm is not really because of the porn, or what every else, but because people do things they can't handle. People just need to get a better grasp of themselves and know what they can and can't handle.
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Just how is Bukkake damaging to relationships? I don't see how any willing and non-harmfull act is going to damage a perfectly healthy relationship. If it's there, that means there are people who enjoy that sort of thing and why should they be denied their fantasy, if it's a perfectly consentual, non-harmful, act?
As for Rape, it's fiction. There is no actual rape happening. If you think that rape fantasy is harmful to people's psyches, then you need ot also ban many many books and "normal" movies as well.
from the article: For many people, porn has quasi-addictive characteristics, requiring escalation to maintain a constant level of stimulation. It dampens empathy, it changes expectations, and it damages relationships. The interviews in the book back this up; it contains example after example of people who started with modest porn searching online, then graduated to more heinous stuff.
For many people [Insert just about anything you want to create a study against, chat rooms, video games, dungeons and dragons], etal. hate to break it to them, but People are always looking for a fix somehow. That fix can be so many things. People can esily become addicted to anything that gives them some kind of fantasy/escape from real life. It's not the porn, it's the person watching it. Some people just have a greater vulnerability and/or a greater need for this escape. As a person who avidly watches pron, plays DnD, and other things, that are harmless, but socially unacceptable, i get really tired of this crap.
that depends. i think chances are that they are printing on workgroup laser printers, in the computer labs. if they went to the print shop and used a high end multi-function device, then you would be correct.
Well i honestly think that parents should be allowed to buy adult content for their kids, IF they feel their particular child is ready for it. people mature at different rates. you don't magically mature once you turn 18... i know people older that that that haven't magically matured.
the problem is that parents aren't doing this kind of thought and evaulation. they just hear their kid whine about how tommy down the street has it, so their kid needs it too. then, if their kid misbehaves, they blame the very thing they bought for the kid...
gah. if more people had a sense of personal responsibilities, we woudl not need so many stupid laws.
i think most CPS officers can tell the difference between some spanking and real abuse. i think it's more because of this new thought that tough love is bad for your child, it hurts his/her feelings. it is the same mentality that says that dodge ball is too competative for kids, that honour rolls shoudl be taken away, that red pens should not be used for correcting school work... since when did this country become a bunch of wusses?
Not everyone against the Patriot Act is a total whackjob, just like not everyone for it is one too. It's not even the whole Patriot Act that matters. At least to me, the parts i don't like deal with the search and seizure without a warrant.
As for your statement, on wheather i have been affected by it, do i need to be affected by it to not like it? Do i first need to be shot, to want tougher gun laws?
I have a small contention with what you said. even though i agree with your sentiments, i do think that creationism has a place in the class room... just NTO a science class. i think an optional appropriate religion/philosophy class would be a great place for kids to learn about these ideas, if they wanted to.
everyone who wants a new computer in a few years. Most consumers will NEVER even hear about this technology, much lke they never heard about laws that take away our fair use rights. Most people i talk to IRL, have never heard of the DMCA.
As a member of the People for the Ethical Treament of Animals, i find it deplorable and sickening that you would use these great and noble animals to fight your battles for you. I demand that you compensate our organization $100,000,000,000 US; none of which will actually got to the bears themselves, but help further our causes, such as running almost naked through Spain with bull horns taped to our heads.
i take full credit/blame for my lack of desire to capitalize. as for the true/tru, that was a typo. blame that on my carelessness rather than my knowledge please.
yes, professional peers will hold you to a different standard. i guess i was not clear. i meant the difference was when you write a casual memo to your friend in the next cubicle as opposed to when you type up a report for an outside client to review.
D) you need to get away from the stuff that is mass marketed at children and perverts...
commonality of many of the people's drawing techniques aside, the anime i've most enjoyed are the ones that have really awesome plots and backstories. the reason i got into Anime, was specifically because i find too many Amrican works are more two-dimentional. >br>
also, dubbing is done cause there is the perception that most people do not want to read subtitles. they would rather put up with really bad voice-overs, that made the old Shaw Bro. Kung Fu Movies look liek good dubbing/translation.
1) i think this is an issue that goes well beyond hackers and geeks. there is just a general disregard for spelling and grammar. i'm quite guilty of it myself
2) as for "hackers and geeks," they mostly reside in their own circles. this is especially tru on the internet. within one's own circle, it's much easier to get away with it.
you mean from me or the girl in the picture? if you mean me then there's a few conditions: 1) i have you find you attrative 2) my gf has to find you attractive 3) my gf has to not kill me for making the suggestion. if it's from her... you'd have to find her and ask youself, i have no idea who that is.
thanks for the "zen moderation." honestly i'm not even an avid gammer. i play a couple of games that my GF bought, but that is abotu it. i am kind of speaking from my experience with computer CPUs. most people's personal computer usage realyl requires only a 1GHZ cpu or less, yet you can't even find those anymore, unless you're talking about mini-itx stuff.
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i don't think hymn is in violation of the DMCa, but only on a technicality. The DMCA, says it's illegal to remove or hack through a security system. to the best of my knowledge, hymn, actually prevents the DRM from being placed ont he file in the first place. small technicality, but it might save you.
You simply don't understand. It is not "acceptance of a fetish". Porn represents this not as a "fetish" but as a normal activity which the recipient is supposed to enjoy. And the rejection of this act is equated to rejection of the person by the rejectee.
And we don't even have to go as far as the extremes of fetishes. When "normal" gets expanded through desensitization, the one who has not been desensitized isn't going to accept this as normal just because someone tells them to.
Nope. It is not a problem that some people can handle it. It is a problem that it creates mythic figures that we wish to see in others, and by doing so lessens our ability to see others as what they are.
This still reflects a form of escapism from reality, of which, porn is one of many different ways to do. The fact that people need this isn't an indightment of porn, it's a simple fact of life. People WANT a fantasy, people want to see things that are more than themselves. Personally i think Professional Sports and Hollywood are as much if not a greater problem when dealing with escapism. They build up unreaslitic heroes. Either way, that's the world we live in and we need to understand the difference. If we don't we get affected by it. To attack porn as the cause is ignoring the real problem.
When you ask someone out to the movies and they say "no", do you assume they don't like movies, or that they don't want to go to one with you? If you do this repeatedly, to the point that you can rule out simple schedule conflicts, then what it left? If this is not "rejection", then why is rejection such a painful part of the adolescent process, to the point that boys are paralyzed into inaction? Why is it a stereotypical teenager who says "I'd like to ask her out, but she'd just say no and I'd be embarassed"?
This is a completly different issue here. You were trying to explain how Bukkake could ruin a relationship. This situation isn't even yet a relationship. When you ask soemone out and they reject you, that just means they aren't attracted to you. You were originally talking about two peopel already in an established relationship and one of them thinks that a rejection of a fetish they have is a rejection of their love. On the other hand, I am saying, that roots down to a big problem with their psyche that would exist with or without the porn.
If the porn is the cause of the apparent rejection, then while there may be more serious issues, the causal factor is still the porn.
That cause of the rejection is NOT porn, the cause of the rejection is that one person and the other have different tastes. People need to learn to deal with that. The porn, in this case, is just an expression of that different taste.
Once again, a single anectode is being used as proof.
All i need is one example to demonstrate that the author's 100 is not conclusive proof. The authour chose 100 negative examples and only gave them... no examples of zero affect or positive affect. To me, that is being dishonest. It tries to represent those 100 as some kind of conclusive evidence. How do we know that they didnt' survey 1000 people, or 1,000,000 and just picked the 100 worst example? Considering the millions of people who watch porn, 100 people is just as useless an example as one.
Yes, if we were all perfect, porn would not be a problem. But it is that "perfection" that porn shows us that makes imperfection just that much more of a problem.
When I can have a "girlfriend" that never says no to even the most bizzare and humiliating acts; who never argues with me, always does for me what I want done, and doesn't rip my clothes to shreds after a bitter breakup, why in heaven's name would I dare try for the real thing? It is that disconnection between real people and the real fantasy that is the problem. Would I be better off with the fantasy, or with a (series of) real person? I can answer that: the latter is much better, but when the former is so
If soemone honestly thinks that the acceptence or disapproval of a fettish is a determinant of someone else's love, then they have MUCH more serious issues than porn. That's the whole point i'm trying to make with my several posts here... it's not the porn that's the problem, it's that some people can handle it, some people can't.
Not specifically Bukkake, but i've suggested some things that would be kinky to my gf. Some she liked the idea, others she didn't. Neither way did that hurt our relationship any.
The real problem isn't porn, but insecurity, closed mindedness, or a host of other things. All of them can be set off by many things other than porn, why not try and deal with the real root issue.
but the harm is not really because of the porn, or what every else, but because people do things they can't handle. People just need to get a better grasp of themselves and know what they can and can't handle.
Just how is Bukkake damaging to relationships? I don't see how any willing and non-harmfull act is going to damage a perfectly healthy relationship. If it's there, that means there are people who enjoy that sort of thing and why should they be denied their fantasy, if it's a perfectly consentual, non-harmful, act?
As for Rape, it's fiction. There is no actual rape happening. If you think that rape fantasy is harmful to people's psyches, then you need ot also ban many many books and "normal" movies as well.
from the article:
For many people, porn has quasi-addictive characteristics, requiring escalation to maintain a constant level of stimulation. It dampens empathy, it changes expectations, and it damages relationships. The interviews in the book back this up; it contains example after example of people who started with modest porn searching online, then graduated to more heinous stuff.
For many people [Insert just about anything you want to create a study against, chat rooms, video games, dungeons and dragons], etal. hate to break it to them, but People are always looking for a fix somehow. That fix can be so many things. People can esily become addicted to anything that gives them some kind of fantasy/escape from real life. It's not the porn, it's the person watching it. Some people just have a greater vulnerability and/or a greater need for this escape. As a person who avidly watches pron, plays DnD, and other things, that are harmless, but socially unacceptable, i get really tired of this crap.
that depends. i think chances are that they are printing on workgroup laser printers, in the computer labs. if they went to the print shop and used a high end multi-function device, then you would be correct.
Well i honestly think that parents should be allowed to buy adult content for their kids, IF they feel their particular child is ready for it. people mature at different rates. you don't magically mature once you turn 18... i know people older that that that haven't magically matured.
the problem is that parents aren't doing this kind of thought and evaulation. they just hear their kid whine about how tommy down the street has it, so their kid needs it too. then, if their kid misbehaves, they blame the very thing they bought for the kid...
gah. if more people had a sense of personal responsibilities, we woudl not need so many stupid laws.
i think most CPS officers can tell the difference between some spanking and real abuse. i think it's more because of this new thought that tough love is bad for your child, it hurts his/her feelings. it is the same mentality that says that dodge ball is too competative for kids, that honour rolls shoudl be taken away, that red pens should not be used for correcting school work... since when did this country become a bunch of wusses?
Not everyone against the Patriot Act is a total whackjob, just like not everyone for it is one too. It's not even the whole Patriot Act that matters. At least to me, the parts i don't like deal with the search and seizure without a warrant.
As for your statement, on wheather i have been affected by it, do i need to be affected by it to not like it? Do i first need to be shot, to want tougher gun laws?
just don't "LOVE" microsoft, ask any girl as to why that just won't do...
besides, it's just so much more fun to hate something
I have a small contention with what you said. even though i agree with your sentiments, i do think that creationism has a place in the class room... just NTO a science class. i think an optional appropriate religion/philosophy class would be a great place for kids to learn about these ideas, if they wanted to.
don't say such blasphemy! besides, i think the increase in volume of porn is more than enough to make up for the increase in bandwidth.
or... you could get a cluster of Prescott core CPUs and use them as a water heater AND play your video games...
I can think of better uses for potato derived alcohol than fueling my car... "shaken, not stirred."
everyone who wants a new computer in a few years. Most consumers will NEVER even hear about this technology, much lke they never heard about laws that take away our fair use rights. Most people i talk to IRL, have never heard of the DMCA.
As a member of the People for the Ethical Treament of Animals, i find it deplorable and sickening that you would use these great and noble animals to fight your battles for you. I demand that you compensate our organization $100,000,000,000 US; none of which will actually got to the bears themselves, but help further our causes, such as running almost naked through Spain with bull horns taped to our heads.
i take full credit/blame for my lack of desire to capitalize. as for the true/tru, that was a typo. blame that on my carelessness rather than my knowledge please.
yes, professional peers will hold you to a different standard. i guess i was not clear. i meant the difference was when you write a casual memo to your friend in the next cubicle as opposed to when you type up a report for an outside client to review.
well, i know many "artsy geeks" and they don't have a better track record with spelling or grammar.
D) you need to get away from the stuff that is mass marketed at children and perverts... commonality of many of the people's drawing techniques aside, the anime i've most enjoyed are the ones that have really awesome plots and backstories. the reason i got into Anime, was specifically because i find too many Amrican works are more two-dimentional.
>br> also, dubbing is done cause there is the perception that most people do not want to read subtitles. they would rather put up with really bad voice-overs, that made the old Shaw Bro. Kung Fu Movies look liek good dubbing/translation.
but, firefox has a l33t extention...
1) i think this is an issue that goes well beyond hackers and geeks. there is just a general disregard for spelling and grammar. i'm quite guilty of it myself
2) as for "hackers and geeks," they mostly reside in their own circles. this is especially tru on the internet. within one's own circle, it's much easier to get away with it.
you mean from me or the girl in the picture? if you mean me then there's a few conditions: 1) i have you find you attrative 2) my gf has to find you attractive 3) my gf has to not kill me for making the suggestion. if it's from her... you'd have to find her and ask youself, i have no idea who that is.
thanks for the "zen moderation." honestly i'm not even an avid gammer. i play a couple of games that my GF bought, but that is abotu it. i am kind of speaking from my experience with computer CPUs. most people's personal computer usage realyl requires only a 1GHZ cpu or less, yet you can't even find those anymore, unless you're talking about mini-itx stuff.