It doesn't matter whether or not EULA's can be upheld in court. *Any* contract that's signed that allows illegal activity is null and void. You can sign a contract allowing someone to commit a crime against you, but it won't hold up in court, whether it's a EULA or pen and paper.
Actually Shaw does have this and so does Telus, but here's the rub, neither of them have any way to track it. I'm not actually sure if Shaw still has it because I'm on ADSL now, but I know Rogers did before the switch over took place. It's all talk and scare tactics. Either they don't know how / don't have the ability to track it or they just don't care.
Well actually, the company I work for bases its main product around Windows NT/2K. And it sits in big racks in switch sites as well, so their you go, anything is possible.:)
Oh, I'm not saying it shouldn't be used, I'm just stating what the general opinion is. I can easily see a small CLEC using it, the problem is most CLEC's don't know what the hell they're doing, and the Baby Bells are just slow moving. Even if a Baby Bell though Linux was the best thing since sliced bread it'd be 20 years before it'd start penetrating their network (I don't work for a CLEC or a Baby Bell, so I'm not really biased).
There's a lot of Solaris being used from where I'm looking, and absolutely no Linux. It's still considered a "baby Unix" in the board room. It's not even considered.
But maybe you're just lousy at adminning Windows boxes.:) I haven't adminned a server farm of either, truth be know, that's why I was asking the questions. I know enough admins from both backgrounds to question the "The Windows technicians, however, only managed an average of 10 machines each, while Linux or Solaris admins can generally handle several times that." statement. The point you've brought up about scripting is quite valid. Windows is trying to improve in that area but it doesn't come close to what you can do in a Unix environment.
That really depends on your environment though. Take a Windows 2000 install, apply all the patches, make a ghost image. Now you can apply that ghost to as many machines as you like with very little effort. Then you just have to keep them up to date. Keeping track of and applying patches on Windows is just as easy as it is on Linux, IMO. As for the number of patches, that depends entirely on the sort of services you're running.
I read that and thought it was very interesting myself, but they don't give any reasoning for it. The idea that a Linux admin can handle more machines then a Windows admin doesn't wash with me... Maybe the average Windows admin has less system administration experience then the average Linux admin? That could explain the difference I suppose.
Who in the thread was judging anything differently? It's immature and wrong for anyone to do it, I don't care if it's the RIAA or Joe Hacker. I can't believe that the same people who can come up with countless reasons as to why DoSing is wrong (such as the amount of innocent victims who get effected in such an attack) is all for it when the RIAA is the target. I'm sorry but that seems a *tad* hypocritical to me (I'm not referring to you in particular, but the Slashdot crowd in general).
If you're worried about CPU cycles and something is extremely time critical, then yeah, that's exactly what you do. Believe or not assembler is still used in some development shops.
I just know I'm going to get modded flamebate, but have you used the native version? Because I have, and I'm sorry to break everyone's heart but I wouldn't describe the UI as "smooth". Certain things like right-clicking cells in Calc 6.0 is slow compared to Excel, at least on my machine it is. If anything the Star Office team should be trying everything they can to make the *native* UI "smooth".
They have rights to the site because they own the Canadian trademark on the word "Canadian". I'm more pissed off at the Canadian trademark board then anyone else.
I will never understand why people fear/dislike their government more than private companies who never even have to let you know anything strange is going on unless they get caught.
Maybe it's for the simple reason that most people work for private companies and they provide a source of income. The government is an organization which simply takes a chunk of that income away.:) At least I can argue with my boss over how much I get paid, there's little wiggle room when dealing with the tax man.
It's funny how it's only stealing when Microsoft is using the source code. If a developer didn't want their code to be totally free they wouldn't release it under the BSD license. There's no "stealing" occurring here, the license is simply being used as intended. You may not like it, but then again, it's not your code.
So if he works at Sun his opinion is automatically suspect, is that what your saying? Wouldn't that also make your opinion suspect because you're a Linux user?
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Yeah, but it's really hard to kill yourself by accident with a club. :)
That figure is meaningless until you've figured out how many Republicans and Democrats voted for the bills.
It doesn't matter whether or not EULA's can be upheld in court. *Any* contract that's signed that allows illegal activity is null and void. You can sign a contract allowing someone to commit a crime against you, but it won't hold up in court, whether it's a EULA or pen and paper.
Practically unusable? That's funny because the copy of Word 97 on my computer at home still opens doc files just fine.
Actually Shaw does have this and so does Telus, but here's the rub, neither of them have any way to track it. I'm not actually sure if Shaw still has it because I'm on ADSL now, but I know Rogers did before the switch over took place. It's all talk and scare tactics. Either they don't know how / don't have the ability to track it or they just don't care.
Well actually, the company I work for bases its main product around Windows NT/2K. And it sits in big racks in switch sites as well, so their you go, anything is possible. :)
Oh, I'm not saying it shouldn't be used, I'm just stating what the general opinion is. I can easily see a small CLEC using it, the problem is most CLEC's don't know what the hell they're doing, and the Baby Bells are just slow moving. Even if a Baby Bell though Linux was the best thing since sliced bread it'd be 20 years before it'd start penetrating their network (I don't work for a CLEC or a Baby Bell, so I'm not really biased).
There's a lot of Solaris being used from where I'm looking, and absolutely no Linux. It's still considered a "baby Unix" in the board room. It's not even considered.
If they do make them for Macs, I'm willing to bet they come in six different colors. :)
But maybe you're just lousy at adminning Windows boxes. :) I haven't adminned a server farm of either, truth be know, that's why I was asking the questions. I know enough admins from both backgrounds to question the "The Windows technicians, however, only managed an average of 10 machines each, while Linux or Solaris admins can generally handle several times that." statement. The point you've brought up about scripting is quite valid. Windows is trying to improve in that area but it doesn't come close to what you can do in a Unix environment.
That really depends on your environment though. Take a Windows 2000 install, apply all the patches, make a ghost image. Now you can apply that ghost to as many machines as you like with very little effort. Then you just have to keep them up to date. Keeping track of and applying patches on Windows is just as easy as it is on Linux, IMO. As for the number of patches, that depends entirely on the sort of services you're running.
I read that and thought it was very interesting myself, but they don't give any reasoning for it. The idea that a Linux admin can handle more machines then a Windows admin doesn't wash with me... Maybe the average Windows admin has less system administration experience then the average Linux admin? That could explain the difference I suppose.
Yeah, this was well thought out. Remind me what happens when the power goes out?
Oh, well while you're asking questions let me ask one. Who signs Michael's pay cheque? Think about that for a second before you start throwing mud.
You obviously missed the news reports showing people getting hauled away in handcuffs as the result of various SEC investigations.
Who in the thread was judging anything differently? It's immature and wrong for anyone to do it, I don't care if it's the RIAA or Joe Hacker. I can't believe that the same people who can come up with countless reasons as to why DoSing is wrong (such as the amount of innocent victims who get effected in such an attack) is all for it when the RIAA is the target. I'm sorry but that seems a *tad* hypocritical to me (I'm not referring to you in particular, but the Slashdot crowd in general).
Ah, so it's OK to bring ourselves down to their level? Thanks for clearing that up. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
If you're worried about CPU cycles and something is extremely time critical, then yeah, that's exactly what you do. Believe or not assembler is still used in some development shops.
as smooth to use as a native version
I just know I'm going to get modded flamebate, but have you used the native version? Because I have, and I'm sorry to break everyone's heart but I wouldn't describe the UI as "smooth". Certain things like right-clicking cells in Calc 6.0 is slow compared to Excel, at least on my machine it is. If anything the Star Office team should be trying everything they can to make the *native* UI "smooth".
They have rights to the site because they own the Canadian trademark on the word "Canadian". I'm more pissed off at the Canadian trademark board then anyone else.
I will never understand why people fear/dislike their government more than private companies who never even have to let you know anything strange is going on unless they get caught.
:) At least I can argue with my boss over how much I get paid, there's little wiggle room when dealing with the tax man.
Maybe it's for the simple reason that most people work for private companies and they provide a source of income. The government is an organization which simply takes a chunk of that income away.
"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
It's funny how it's only stealing when Microsoft is using the source code. If a developer didn't want their code to be totally free they wouldn't release it under the BSD license. There's no "stealing" occurring here, the license is simply being used as intended. You may not like it, but then again, it's not your code.
I agree, it does sound like utopia, and it would be interesting to try. But what happens when the experiment blows up in your face?
So if he works at Sun his opinion is automatically suspect, is that what your saying? Wouldn't that also make your opinion suspect because you're a Linux user?