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RIAA Smacked by DoS
nekid writes "ZDNet is reporting that the RIAA's website was hit by a denial-of-service (DoS) attack over the weekend, most likely in response to their endorsement of legislation that would give them permission to do the same to personal computers that are pirating music (see earlier article). Seems to me that they are killing themselves with bad public relations..." But it seems to me that they don't care, and are instead
banking on the ignorance of the bulk of the world.
Too funny. Someone's been reading user friendly and decided to fight back perhaps?
Most people would die sooner than think; in fact, they do.
Give the media and the average American more reason to think the people the RIAA are against are little more than immature "hackers."
"All mankind is at the mercy of a handful of neurotics". - Norman Douglas
Yup, the best way to convince a large corporation/government office/anyone over the age of 20, is to act like a child.
Immaturity like this only HARMS what we are trying to do.
Grow up kids.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
If the RIAA is allowed to do a DoS attack, I don't see why individuals should be forbidden to do so.
In short: No one should be able to legally commit such a crime.
RIAA has bad karma. What goes around, comes around.
They deserve it.
I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Whats next? Somebody going to steal Fritz Hollings credit card numbers?
PS: Note to FBI - It wasn't me!
That'll teach those bastards. I'm going to start copy protecting my CD's, too. Two can play at this game.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
>RIAA Smacked by DoS
/. them too!
so now we can
The DoS'ers were obviously trying to prevent the RIAA from distributing material copyrighted by the DoS'ers. Namely DoS software.
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
Userfriendly link for those who didn't see it :)
A tragic irony isn't it?
I wonder if we can start a campaign to keep the RIAA DoSed off the net. Not that I'd ever condone such a thing, but there are times when a little net abuse is so poetic.
Not intended to be a flame, but how many folks actually access their site? Quite a few people condemn their actions, but when was the last time you clicked your way to www.riaa.com ?
Thank you for posting that helpful link to the RIAA website. This is a pressing issue, and as such, I urge everyone to go immediately to this website and show your support. Now, more than ever, the RIAA needs our love. So everyone, stop hammering the SSH site and give the RIAA the affection they so sorely need.
do not read this line twice.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. I get a kick out of them refering to it as "immature" as it is what they are gunning for as their legal right.
The RIAA makes more money than this crapy DoS costed them, did I need to explain that really?
;-)
This retaliative attack amounts to nothing; it was carried out my anonymous individual(s) who didn't
earn brownie points by for legal permission
Either way, two wrongs don't make it right. Stop DoSing their website and go and promote your favorite
independent music label instead.
P.S. First Post.
...only give the other side more ammunition.
Apparently the RIAA hasn't heard of this cool technology called "multitasking".
The only thing that will stop you from fulfilling your dreams is you. - Tom Bradley
the ignorance of the bulk of the world
Then they will claim the law is outragious.
They just got a small taste.
Fight Spammers!
The rebels have thrown the empire's tea^H^H^Hservers into the harbor.
Take a hint, legislators and RIAA. The people don't like the RIAA.
they were DoS'd this weekend, and now let the legit dossing begin again... /. time
"an eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind"
Obviously the RIAA rep is not very tech savy. Of course, since their site was DoS'd, I would have to say that about the whole organization.
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."
To public show such contempt for your customers is so telling. Their arrogance is just unbelievable.
Anyone who bites the hand that feeds them this regularly will eventually starve to death. You can take that to the bank.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
w00t!
Exactly, they believe most people are stupid. They are, in essence, flipping the bird at every single citizen of every country they operate in.
Glad they care about their customers!
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
wow, didn't they get enough publicity when this story was announced last week...i'm not saying they should have ignored this DOS attack, but it seems to me the RIAA rep had a little too much attitude with quotes like "Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" and especially "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."...talk about antogonizing the masses...couldn't they comment on this story without being blatantly condescending and arrogant???
on the good side, maybe the link to the RIAA website with this story will slashdot their site and bring it down again....
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." - Homer Simpson
They were trying out their Stacheldraht setup ;)
but the whole thing backfired
Say that to the 50+ men who got together and decided to become indipendant of the brits. Was it "wrong" to say "Good Bye" to the king? Sure. Was it wrong to pick up arms against the king? Sure. But see how "wrong" it was every July 4th, buddy.
This will be an easy problem to solve. Write a counter-DoSer, and slip it into GNUtella. Simply, there are many more of us than there are of them. If a GNUtella client detects a DoS attack, we respond with a DDoS attack. We win, hands down, every time.
Plain and simple.
Here's the predicted headline: "Hackers Respond to RIAA's Proposed Legislation By Vandalizing Website".
That is, RIAA: mature and respectful, Anti-RIAA: bratty idiotic thugs.
by the deluge of slashdot readers
The article cites no source for the information, besides the RIAA itself. Can we be sure that it actually happened, and wasn't just a way for the RIAA to make themselves look like the victim in this whole situation?
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."
That's certainly a nice way to deflect the issue. It's like a mantra with these guys!
" On Thursday, the RIAA endorsed a bill written by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., that would authorize copyright holders to begin "blocking, diverting or otherwise impairing" peer-to-peer networks.
RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen said in a statement that Berman's bill was "an innovative approach," adding that "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
Call me a skeptic, but that reads a whole lot more like a "Hey, those guys are bad, so side with us" thing than anything else. While I trust in the immaturity of script kiddies, I'm not convinced that this attack even happened. If it did, though...well...come on guys, this isn't helping us any.
Maybe some of the thousands of artists raped by the RIAA over the years decided to act on the spirit of this new bill and assert their rights to attack an organization dedicated to stealing their intellectual property.
"Why should we leave America to go to America Junior?" - H. Simpson, on visiting Canada
Probably just the slashdot effect. You guys should be more careful who you link to!
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Please please please tell me this is faked
-dk
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Well, in that case, since this is now considered 'hacking their site,' don't they have anything better to do than 'hack' the computers of people they suspect to be trading mp3s illegally?
And then:
It's exactly this mentality of "Everybody's stealing our money!" that risks our privacy rights getting the legislative screw.If the RIAA downloads illegal MP3s, even to check to see if they're legit illegal copies, this in turn opens THEM of for legit DoS attacks. The person in question that is doing the "checking" for the RIAA better own the right to every single MP3 he downloads. They're going to need to have the artists themselves sit at the cpus and do the DoS's for this to even be legal, it can't be based around "trust". Quite an evil little repurcussion .. If this goes live, it will effectively DESTROY the RIAA.
If they say it was something disruptive or costly to them, it'll go against their case as being something harmful, completely unnecessary. Kinda interested in all they have to say on the issue :-)
-DrkShadow
Behold the power of slashdot. Maybe Taco should start featuring riaa.com more often.
Whoohoo!
:)
and now it is being slashdotted
Is this a "legit DoS"?
Too many users connected.
Oh, well, they don't have anything to say that would interest me anyway, it's just my curiousity getting the better of me...
Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, "Today I will be brilliant."
Here's the right way to do this:
1) Wait until this insane law passes
2) Set up a webpage with a lot of "warez" & "mp3z" stuff on it. (Don't forget to include the popups!)
3) As content, however, include only songs for which you own the copyrights. Name the files to look like popular songs for which you do not own the copyright.
4) Log everyone who downloads those files and wait until someone from riaa.com downloads one.
5) Follow all the procedures laid out in the law for launching a DoS attack and do so.
6) Issue a press release. Get as much publicity as you can. "I hacked the RIAA website and it was COMPLETELY LEGAL!" etc...
Gee, the RIAA website is SOOOO important. Ever been to it? Taking down their website does not hurt them, because it's only provided as a marketing angle, it will in NO way hurt their business (like DoS'ing Amazon for example).
https://www.accountkiller.com/removal-requested
you can say that again
When you want to legalize vigilante justice, you better make sure you can outgun everyone. When it comes to the Internet, RIAA hasn't got a chance. Of course, this is why they went whining to Washington in the first place.
I'd love it if several of the RIAA people went to prison for live for hacking. Two wrongs make a righteous fantasy!
RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen said in a statement that Berman's bill was "an innovative approach," adding that "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
But the bill was ill written : it actually give all power to RIAA, instead of permiting artists to fight it.
Declan also posted logs of the way the server was responding all weekend at http://www.mccullagh.org/bin/riaamon/ in case anyone is curious how bad it got...it rotates the logs out, so look before they're gone
Q:Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?
A:All my autopsies have been performed on dead peop
"Doesn't the RIAA have anything better to do than hacking into my website?" asked a pimply 15-year old who asked to be called "H@ckeR d00d." "perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from fucking over artists."
Engineers arn't boring people, we just get excited about boring things.
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
- P. T. Barnum
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"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack the P2P servers?" asked the hacker representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from their stealing money."
Geez, It's like listening to a bunch of children, eh?
~ kjrose
considering their so big on "infringing" on other's electronic rights, and "stealing" and illegal copies of things, there are some nice "gif" images on their website...hmmmm....
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." - Homer Simpson
Why DoS when you can Slashdot 'em?
We'll make it an international event, where we make August 1, 2002 at 10:00 PM CDT the Repeatedly-visit-the-RIAA-website Day.
And in the other news: the US is setting up road blocks on all remaining functional roads in Afghanistan. All 5 road blocks have being successful at not letting any Usama Bin Laden followers in or out of the country. It is not clear though whether the road blocks were successful or whether terrorists have being unlawfully and actively avoiding the road blocks by taking alternative mountine and underground paths.
You can't handle the truth.
#!/usr/bin/perl
while (1){
`wget "http://www.riaa.com" -nc -r -l 0 -k -nH -o
}
# one of many many ways to do this...
"Banking on the ignorance of the bulk of the world" is one of the few remaining safe bets.
Mod me down, and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
Arguing that bad PR will make the RIAA think twice about doing something is like arguing that a fish won't want to get wet.
Things like the DCMS, RIAA, MPAA, all piss of the cracker community and the hacker community. (Hmm notice they are all 4 letter words .. guess they must be bad words ).
To me the DCMA says if you buy this then you don't really own it. I own my redhat cdrom. I can make copies of it and modify it. I can't legally do that in the US according to the above mentioned 4 letter words. That's why I use open source case MS and all the other MS vendors do that crap too.
Only 'flamers' flame!
RIAA needs backing for their bill, they pay some script kiddie a few grand to DoS them, they report it but don't have enough information to get the script kiddie, they get backing for the bill, everyone wins, or rather, the RIAA wins.
--fetch daddy's blue fright wig, i must be handsome when i release my rage
The question of whether this DOS attack was immature/brave/foolish/revolutionary is up for debate, but I hope that the attack at least brought some attention to the fact that what happened to the RIAA this weekend is exactly what they are trying to get the right to do leagally to P2P networks and users! We are talking about giving the RIAA the legal right to break and enter and vandalize. And for what? Because the have the money to have enough lobbyists and enough congressmen in thier pocket to earn them that right?
I for one smiled just a bit when I heard the new this morning, and it also reminded me that I had a letter to my congress(wo)man to write.
Is when Mrs. Rosen said: "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
Oh, right, this isn't a new law granting vigilante powers to big media, it's a clarification of existing law! The laws already on the books meant to put enforcement of the law into the hands of the RIAA, it just wasn't worded clearly.
That's damn hilarious, but also sad, because she gets to have her insane comment quoted in a serious context. If the next line of the article was "A passing rational human was quoted as saying: 'Clarification of existing law? What the hell is she smoking?'" then we might have some balance. Oh well.
The enemies of Democracy are
And I thought NAMBLA was the most hated organization in the country. :)
On a serious note tho, while this certainly doesn't accomplish anything, niether does the RIAA's proposed "solution"... The article just goes to show how one-sided, narrow-minded, the RIAA is.
Oh well, someday when their business model changes after world peace has been achieved, we'll look back at this and chuckle.
I just wasted your mod points! HA!
....is that most likely they will attempt to prosecute the parties responsible. Yet, they don't want to be held accountable to these same laws. It reminds me of the south park episode when chef was taken to court for telling the RIAA someone stold his stinky britches song.
I am above the law!
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified
A good question indeed, for the people who've campaigned long and hard for permission to do this very same thing.
1) This software is open source and can be used by any party, except: RIAA, members, and affiliates; MPAA, members, and affiliates; Fritz Hollings, members, and affiliates;....
Ad luna, Alicia! Ad luna!
What about all of the programmers who actually take the time and effort to establish worldwide networks where people can directly share information? Who is the RIAA to decide which person's effort is worth more?
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We will have a difficult time escaping this problem. If it is a problem, that is.
Lasers Controlled Games!
Whether the RIAA site was truly DDoS'ed or not was not the point. The point is: it is now. THIS WAS THE EVIL PLAN!
Just post a link to a site on Slashdot and, BOOM. DoS :D
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified.
Well, obviously not... Do you think they're going to actually *gasp* go outside?!
I guess I laid my bets right this time, although I had a good tip! Any wagers for round 2 ;)
I stole this Sig
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sweeeeeeet.......
Mod me down, and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
They "hire" companies that run search spider programs that automate dns queries and instant cease and desist letters. Lets slashdot all the sites of all the companies that act as bounty hunters on the behalf of the RIAA. If not, then at least get their netblocks known and firewall them off to null. That way they cant find us or do anything
I have wondered about automated scripts. Is there a script that will auto log into an MP3 servers (perhaps OpenNap) and auto download anything ending in
when you need them? come on fb ... new target
How fickle people are, and willing to sway even principles when a organization like the RIAA gets hit -- now it's okay to DoS someone? Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the RIAA's practices, nor do I condone their methods of "reining in" so-called criminals and music-thieves.
But the way I see it, this attack will only serve to strengthen their case in the push for legislation against THEIR customers: us! That's all I have to say. Any comments are welcome...
Of course this starts to bring up the classic question
"When is a group allowed to do something, when a member of the same group is NOT allowed to do the same thing? Answer this question, and you'll know what form of Government you want."
-- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
You're slipping...
Don't Bogart the fish sticks
Why don't we make say, 500 mirrors of it? ;-)
On Windows there was a nice program called Teleport. For Linux I can't remember right now but there was a good one too.
I have the feeling that the RIAA could have done this to themselves so that they could drum up support for their bill and what ever they try to pass. What better way to gain simpathy and support then to DOS or give the impression that you where DOSed? While I think the RIAA was immature with their comments and actions, a DOS gives off the impression that P2P users are really immature.
Not that I'd condone it, but the ultimate hack (or crack) would be rooting the RIAA servers and using them to host a very large MP3 collection, complete with a gnutella client to share them with the world.
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Shouldn't this have been filed under the "what might go around comes around" department? :-)
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took minutes away from stealing music."
/.ed.
The question is, doesn't the RIAA have anything better to do than disrupting our P2P networks?
This obviously proves the RIAA is a bunch of hypocritical idiots. They want to be able to DoS someone else, but they don't want anyone else to DoS them. Gee, go figure. Sorta like the kid who wants to hit other kids but doesn't want them to hit him back.
I think that CmdTaco should put a script in slashdot that directs all willing users to the RIAA & MPAA's web-pages (though doesn't display the web pages) when they visit slashdot. This way, every evening when millions of tech-savy people check out slashdot, the RIAA/MPAA will get
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mo de_w=on&site=www.riaa.com&submit=Examine
The site www.riaa.com is running Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT4/Windows 98. FAQ
NT4/Windows 98 users include ABB Asea Brown Boveri Ltd, Gillette, British Nuclear Fuels Ltd and Ernst & Young International
Microsoft-IIS is also being used by www.dellhost.com, www.datapipe.com, Ferrari and Intel Corporation
Do you want to look for an SSL site at www.riaa.com ?
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They're using UUNET and Microsoft products ... hehehe I think a DoS should be the least of their worries ... I would almost go so far as to say it wasn't a DoS attack, but more a BSOD attack ... heh heh heh
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
I don't know ... I was joking ....
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
Get a bunch of people to buy a CD (like the Spiderman Soundtrack that has PC features, but won't play on a PC... heh) and then return it the next day. With the # of Slashdot people around, it shouldn't be hard for the RIAA to take notice.
Here's the thing: If we're willing to spend the money to buy the CD in the fisrt place, it's kinda hard to accusse people of 'stealing' music on the web. It lends more credence to the desire to keep our rights in tact.
That really hinges on how you happen to define violent. I am apt to agree with you that this is rather non-violent, but some people like to think that the use of vulgarity constitutes violence. They have decided to see it as an assualt "on thier emotions" or some such nonsense. I personally think this is ridiculous, and hope that I have the opportunity to actually ridicule someone for this, but then, I tend to be somewhat of a bastard, especially when I disagree with someones ludicrously out of balance point of view...
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."
I guess he didn't want to be identified because he makes such gross generializations about everybody... not everybody steals music (I don't). Generalizations like that are as bad as stuff like "If you see a black person in a nice car it's stolen" or the whole "guilty until proven innocent" kind of thing.
And what's to say that the person (or persons) who did the DoS did not have anything better to do?
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't
I was just wondering. If I am singing a song and other people are listening, then am I illegally distrubuting that song to others. Would that mean that the RIAA could DoS me. Or maybe they would require that my memory be wiped since I am storing an illegal copy in my head. Just a thought.
RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen said in a statement that Berman's bill was "an innovative approach," adding that "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
what? so who actually owns the copyright? I thought those artists had to sell their souls to work for these companies... and now they own the copyrights? er... unless the riaa actually creates the artistic works... in that case we now know why these new songs and singers are so similar in style and such
I think the next variant of "MS Worm" should be designed to DoS the riaa.com .. but it's interesting how people are still able to perform DoS'es, meaning there must be a lot of computers out there which have been 0wned without their owners knowing about it - and I'm not surprised if that's the case.
:) but we know that already and in this case, someoned just turned evil against evil.
I wonder what systems the attack came from, mostly Windows? If it weren't the RIAA being DoSed, I'd think we would be yapping about how Windows is insecure..
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
November, 2002 WASHINGTON, D.C. (AP) -- In a massive Denial-of-Re-election (DOR) attack, Mr. Bermen, Mr. Hollings, and all the other RIAA-linked Congressmen have been apparently booted offline by a massive surge of votes for the opponents.
The attack has been described as a write-in vote for an unidentified third party candidate known only as "CowboyNeal". No information upon the identity of this third party candidate are yet known.
-- We live in a world where lemonade is artificial and soap has real lemon.
Is that because of slashdotting or are the DoS attacks still going?
The ZD-NET article is not news reporting, it is a few sentences based on anecdotal comments. The 'stealing music quote' seems redundant unless it was done to introduce bias. How do we know that this isn't part of an RIAA campaign to use the media to further vilify the Internet community to help push legislation? I don't know why, but in this age of big business running entire countries, I am somewhat suspicious of such 'news'.
Okay, the irony is obvious, but...rooting their boxen and turning their webfarm into an enormous gnutella node...THAT would be FUNNY!!!
Note: The above is merely a whimsical musing of fantasy and should not be construed as instructions for any would-be terr0r15t/Hax0r. Although it might arguably be construed as a form of political speech.
Maybe RIAA should put into the congressman mind another law that doesn't allow music station to hammer people with the same song all day long...
That it would be a criminal offense to play more that 2 times a day the same song of the same artist...
But with that law, lot of radio station will declare bancruptcy...
The golden rule has been placed into effect? somewhat in advance tho...
'do unto others as you want them to do unto you"
or something like that..
The greatest right given is the right to be wrong...
don't forget to go after the rest of their network, too. The server is in network 208.225.90.x
it appears that www.RIAA.org has yet again been /.'ed. hehe, irony is funny.
Job Application for the post of Director of 133t Hacking, RIAA
Relevant Experience: DoS-ing RIAA servers on 30/07/02 d00dz!
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And that's even if it makes it past CNET or ZDNET and into the mainstream press, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, L.A. Times, etc. more of the people who vote still read newspapers and watch news programs for their news, so they'll read a pro-RIAA spin and agree with them.
Yikes! I'm not sure how to change the views of the general public, but I know that I already wrote my congressmen to let them know how I feel from a professional and personal level. Will that change my congressmen's point-of-view? Maybe not, but at least they know how one of their constituents feel, just like how the democratic process is suppose to work.
"The quality of life is determined by its activites."--Aristotle
W00T!!
Where will I find information on new artists?
Where will I download popular music?
Where will I look up lyrics to that song that's stuck in my head?
Whoever did this may have made a point, but they've hurt us all in doing so, as both listeners and artists no longer have access to the vast array of valuable services provided by that fine organization.
instead of DOSing them why not just /. them everyday. have all the links take you to their site for a couple of seconds then send you to the real story.
More DoSing or just a good /.ing?
This kind of thing, short of FLYING over to their HQ and having a sit in, is the only means you have of expressing yourself.
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
But the RIAA might be in for some trouble if the bill is passed.
Think about it: The RIAA has (and still does) sell works created by independant copyright owners. They don't keep perfect track of their signings with artists and are, sometimes, selling records which they don't hold the copyright to. Artists have come forth in the courts and said this.
Given that this is the case, an artist can give a group (in this case the public at large) permission to attack any server network participating in the distribution of their copyrighted works. This is not limited to riaa.org. If CDNow.com is selling the CD that the RIAA is distributing illegally they're open to attack too. I mean, just look at how loose the wording is:
"...use of technologies to prevent infringement of copyrighted works on peer-to-peer computer networks"
Translation: any copyright owner can technologically attack anyone infringing upon their copyrights as long as the target of their attack can be described as a "peer-to-peer computer network."
Besides that, the RIAA is acting no less childish than the people that DoS'ed them. Their current actions in regards to this legislation are equivelant to signing onto a Cult of the Dead Cows message board and proclaiming a hacker war. It doesn't matter if it's legal or not you can't expect them to just sit there and take whatever you throw at them.
It's childish to declare a hacker war.
It's foolish to declare a war on all hackers.
It's pure ignorance to believe you can win.
I like that the bill requires them to NOTIFY the Attorney General before they do anything... I don't like that they don't have to wait for approval.
So I started to think... "How would I feel if I was faced with 1000's of people scattered covertly across the country violating my rights?" Then I realized that I do... SPAMers. Sure, if I had the time, money, and expertise, I could take them each to court. But the reality is that even if I get SPAM, the best I can do is report the SPAMer to their ISP and hope they're not SPAM-friendly and will shut the account/network connection down.
So either they should allow us to DoS or hack SPAMers' computers, or they should require the RIAA or whomever to get ISPs to shut down illegal file sharing internet connections.. just like the rest of us.
after clicking on riaa link...
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Besides, I think it's good to give one decent dDOS as a 'shot across the bow' so the RIAA knows what it's playing with. Should the legislature be approved, I somehow don't think the RIAA site will stay online very long anymore; there's relatively few people who control so many computers that they can dDOS at their leisure, but there's enough. Had the dDOS's started after the bill was approved then it would have been next to useless. Now it's still next to useless, but it sparks up a lot more discussion.
Jynx
The RIAA is still a group of fools, though; the boomerang is swinging back to hit them in the face much in the same way US citizens are being screwed for doctor support because everyone's sueing them. US legislature just goes too far in that respect.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it well worth the effort.
So, since obviously, we all want to know when it will be back up, I strongly recomend everyone just run a generic ping process in the background and wait for a reply! Then we can flock back to the RIAA's website and feel at ease again.
:)
After all, we don't want to DDoS them, we just want to check to see if the site is running again. A simple process executed by the slashdot masses out of concern for the RIAA....
"ha-ha." (and maybe: "Gotta nuke something.")
Timed at 17:58:00 GMT
:-)
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Wouldn't it be nice if schools got all the money they wanted and the army had to hold jumble sales for guns
I have to admit that while I agree with you 100% that we should use more mature responses, however you've given me my smile for the day with the "mob rule" line.
::smile::
I could easily picture it being very effective to see a mob of people crowding the streets outside RIAA headquarters with Torches and Pitchforks (with similar outcome to a certain castle located in the old country).
Not advocating people go inflict bodily harm on anyone else over this nonsense, or burn down property... just saying its worthy of a Far Side cartoon with Hillary Rosen playing the part of Dr. Frankenstein, and perhaps the mob would be carrying an effigy made out of CDs with a wig on it
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The RIAA doesn't need to care about bad press and PR. Your average consumer will acknowledge how evil that organization is, but still purchase happily from its members. They aren't called "RIAA" and there is no connection obvious to the consumer. -lj
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
From the article:
RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen said in a statement that Berman's bill was "an innovative approach," adding that "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
Since when does the RIAA create *anything*??
I think what Hilary meant was "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that the RIAA can continue to steal money from the copyright owners..."
In all of this law making, the RIAA has not realized a few basic facts. Most of these are relative to me, but I'm sure I'm not alone:
1. When Napster was big, I purchased 75-100 CDs in two years and enjoyed about 80% of them. Since then, I have purchased about 10 CDs and enjoyed about 20% of them. I would rather gamble $15 on a blackjack table then buy a $15 CD when I have only heard one song I like on it.
2. I don't own a plain-old CD player. I have a MP3-CD player, a laptop, and a desktop. If I can't listen to or convert the CD I won't buy it.
3. I'm not a fan of the MPAA either, but which would you rather purchase: A soundtrack CD of a given movie for $17.99 or the DVD of the same movie for $14.99? To me, a music CD is worth about $8, and at least 25% of that should go to the people who actually created those sounds(artists, songwriters).
4. I don't believe the DoS on the RIAA last weekend was necessary, but it will be a preview of what will happen if that new law passes. (Just a prediction)
5. What ever happened to "The customer is always right"? All of this copy-protection, "everyone is stealing our music", "we need tougher laws" stuff can't possibly be in the consumer's best interest. Sounds to me that they are trying to maintain a monopoly. (Hmmm... now where have I seen this before?)
Anyway, I dig into my current music collection, books, magazines, and a few select internet sites for my media these days. I've just about had enough. Everything in this post is my opinion based on some facts and is probably in need of some correction. Have a nice day.
When I first saw this news over on C|Net, the first thing that came into my mind was that the RIAA had DoS'ed their own website to make the "hackers" look even more malicious as the "RIAA Protection Bill" wends its way through congress. Nothing like being the victim of a crime to garner more post-9/11 sympathy from our gun-shy, privacy-trampling, constitution-overthrowing government.
And I will believe that's exactly what happened until someone gets arrested for it. And even then I will have my doubts. These people, the RIAA, are a black hearted lot.
The record industry cannot see what it's doing wrong. From the RIAA themselves:
the most significant cost of a CD today is the marketing and promotion of that music.
And, as we all know, releases of tracks are far too over-promoted these days - why should we pay for promotion of music? The very fact that tracks are available on the internet before they're released indicates that somewhere, the track has been released, but not to the public. So, if the industry is being killed, this is what's killing it. The fact that so many people download the music before public release indicates that the amount of promotion could be scaled back, too.
Perhaps if music were released to radio stations and the public at the same time, sales would go up, as people keen to get their hands on new music would actually have to go to the shop and buy a CD, owing to the fact that they wouldn't be able to download it at first. The radio, rather than the Internet, would become the listening post for new music.
So much can be put down to poor management these days, it seems.
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error.
That was funny! I saw that comment on ARS Technica. I say the best way to fight them is just not to buy their crap. I used to file share, find a good song and the buy the CD. I guess that is stealing like crazy at 56K. CD's cost almost as much or more than DVD's. That is why there is piracy. CD's are just too overpriced. I can't believe how much pull they have in congress. 1984 anyone?
first dos, now the slashdot effect! ..
poor bastards
maybe slashdot is next target now? co-ordinated attack on riaa.org organised by geeks!
the horror.
No uptime is currently available for www.riaa.com.
Sounds like netcraft is right on, afaict.
They were already asking for said ammunition.
;)
Someone just decided to give them a taste of the medicine they had in mind for the net community.
Greedy fucks like that are too stupid to recognize the irony of this situation. We should be allowed to cull them from the gene pool for the good of humanity.
It's refusing connections now...
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
What cracking or DoS'n someones service really does ...
... nothing. They will go home or go out for dinner and drinks. They don't care, because they dont have to clean up the mess or deal with it.
It causes some poor admin, fearing being laid off, being blamed for this mess, making just enough to keep him/herself alive not to go home on time. It causes doubt from upper management of thier ability on something that can't control. Basically it cause some poor peep a lot of trouble.
You know what this does to the big execs
No business has ever gone under because of a DoS or cracker website. You only hurt the little peeps.
Time to eat lunch, I'll just load up my favorite website and hit f5 a lot to see if they've updated yet...
That's funny...
You guys must have put up the wrong address for the RIAA website.
I tried to go there to get their side of the story, but www.riaa.com doesn't work for me.
Can somebody please find the right URL for them so that we can all go and get their side of the story so othat we can make reasoned and informed opinions on this issue.
(giggle giggle)
Oh wait, that is the right URL?
Nevermind
LongTail SSH Brute Force analysis tool is here!
From riaa.com's "What is Piracy" pages:
"4. Online piracy is the unauthorized uploading of a copyrighted sound recording and making it available to the public, or downloading a sound recording from an Internet site, even if the recording isn't resold. Online piracy may now also include certain uses of "streaming" technologies from the Internet."
Sorry, did I miss a memo? When was streaming declared illegal? Shouldn't someone notify Apple and Real that thier streaming server software is facilitating illegal activities?
Come to the University of Mars! Classes starting soon!
Since it's not, we might as well throw the petulant Anonymous Coward RIAA rep a pity party, 'cause they've certainly got their streamers up! Ok, 1, 2, 3... I still can't quite believe that article isn't satire.
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
.... yeah call it immature, call it childish, call it hacker, call it what you want.......but man I would've loved to do it myself...we're all just too legal to get into trouble annoying someone even if they deserve it.
Give the lil script kiddies a break, they were just venting all of our frustration for us.
"Wasn't me! Don't sue me!" (but I'm enjoying watching)
Sigs pose an operational security risk and help the baddies aggregate data. I guess commenting does too, oops.
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hrm...looks like a double-whammy...first a DoS, now they're getting
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
If the RIAA is allowed to do a DoS attack, I don't see why individuals should be forbidden to do so
Because it's illegal, that's why.
Bullshit.
If a crime of aggression (ie. attack or subversion, physical or informational) is 'legalized' for a special group, but illegalized for another group, there is nothing ethically wrong with the attacked group fighting back using the same means, regardless of what the law might say.
To take an extreme, but historically accurate, example of the same sort of thing, if it is illegal for a black man to shoot a white man, yet legal for a white man to shoot a black man, there is nothing ethically wrong with the affected black man in question defending himself and his family from his attackers, and most certainly not if he is using the same means they are using (projectile weapons in this case), regardless of what some corrupt and morally bankrupt laws might say.
The only real difference in these two cases (cyberattacks allowed by one group against another, but not visa versa, and physical attacks allowed by one group against another, but not visa versa) is the magnitude of atrocity (vastly greater in the second instance), and the fact that, at one time in the United States, the second instance was in fact actually the law at one time, while the first example (cyber DoS attacks) have not (yet) ever been legalized for one group over another.
However, should DoS attacks by media cartels be legalized, there will be absolutely nothing ethically wrong with those attacked retaliating in kind. Indeed, the ethical breakdown appears to be almost entirely on the side of the copyright cartels, who have just been given a taste of things to come if these foolish laws should be passed.
I will not participate in such activities, but I will excercize my dwindling freedom of speech to openly cheer those who do.
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"No-one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public"
- P. T. Barnum
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
- johnhyland, Slashdot User 187827
Please note:
1) the Barnum quote rationalizes big-label music.
2) the johnhyland quote rationalizes the winner of the 2000 US election outcome.
bet they do the same thing to their servers :) they'll consider the /. effect their second DoS in a few days *g*
I mean suppose i'm sitting happily in front of my pc in, say germany or france or whereever... They DoS me. Are the breaking german/french/whaever law?! I think so...
So how is this thing supposed to work after all?? Since i don't live in the USA i might sue them if they crash my companys router while some stupid guy from marketing is downloading the latest pr0n flick.
RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen said in a statement that Berman's bill was "an innovative approach," adding that "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified.
Clearly RIAA is making an effort to win the intellectual public opinion by making such strong logical arguments.
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That's an interesting concept - if we plan a day in advance to something of the effect of "at 5:00EDT, everyone go to the RIAA site" - that would create a very effective, yet very legal, DoS.
:-)
OK, everyone, tomorrow, July 31, 5:00EDT, attack.
We don't need legislation.
I want to show my support of the RIAA.org and RIAA.com but I keep getting this message:
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So I'm going to send a message to the server's administrator as they have asked, to see what the problem might be...<giggle>
Maybe the RIAA's webmaster had an outstanding parking ticket, and in the United States, we punish illegal activity (or the suspician thereof) by DoS'ing servers.
-- Ken Kinder ken@_nospam_kenkinder.com http://kenkinder.com/
-Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music
not really, i just queue them all up, so it would have been no real loss in time for me.
my last sig was too controversial... now, a new and improved useless sig!
Is there anything worthwhile on their site?
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Apparently their IIS server is still on fire..
Hey all, not sure if anyone will find this interesting or not, but I've taken a screen shot of the RIAA site being down so I can still get a good laugh when it comes back up. Here is a direct link to the image. It's not copywritten, so I won't be hacking your box for DL'ing it.
the RIAA rep wrote: Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music.
I guess the RIAA rep must be pretty lame. If hackers are spending time attacking their website, and not steal music, then they should encourage hacking so as to take time away from individuals to steal music. Then again, like the other slashdotter say, u can jus queue for 1 minute and spend the rest of the 9 minutes to hack your brain away at their site.
From the Inquirer today, just look what you can
purchase in the USA...
Political contribution watch
Strange coincidences of our time
By Adamson Rust: Tuesday 30 July 2002, 12:01
CONSIDER THIS LOT BELOW and go figure. At least this kind of information about politicians is publicly available in the US.
RIAA applauds peer-to-peer hacking bill as innovative approach.
Congressman Howard L. Berman, representing California's 26th Congressional District. here. And Berman introduces peer to peer privacy prevention act.
The top industries supporting Howard L. Berman. Number One: TV/Movies/Music - $186,981.
Representative Howard Coble, United States House of Representatives North Carolina Sixth District co-author of Berman's Bill.
Top industries supporting Howard Coble. TV/Movies/Music.
And while we're on this one, let us not forget Senator E Hollings. Nothing could be finer than to be in South Carolina and sponsor the Cable and Computer Security Act. Here's the Open Secrets link. The TV/Movies/Music biz contributes a measly $278,534 to his coffers, lobbyists a piffling $195,825, telecom services a trifling $154,338 and telephone utilities a flabby $152,403.
Buy new music. Post sticky notes inside the jacket with lovely URL's to things like this post. Return music. Affect change.
"Powers. I have them."
Is there any evidence that this really happened, other than claims from the RIAA? Or any info about it? Or that it wasn't just some WorldCom outage? (The RIAA is a WorldCom customer.)
I cannot believe the elitist attitude that this person has. This is a new low even for the RIAA. DoS on!
"Do I dare disturb the universe?"
Considering the masses, and the thought of the NYT, WSJ, or other "unbiased" news sources ... ... the RIAA will likely come out of this smelling like a rose.
... an attack could mean something to their bottom line. And that would be the point.
Truly, if the community of P2P users wanted to attack, how about organization & strategy? How about finding out who the RIAA represents (such as Sony, EMI, etc), and then DoS'ing those companies, somehow?
After all, http://www.riaa.com/ offers nothing useful to me, and is merely marketing to them. EMI on the other hand
Can they work without working computers? I wonder how much it would cost to bribe all their sysadmins to really throw a wrench in the works?
OK, I don't believe it either. (For one thing, it is too subtle and clue-ful, not to mention tech-savvy.) But the thought was there...
The Mongrel Dogs Who Teach
So, while not technically, the people who buy music are in essence their customers.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
add this:
/ www.atomintersoft.com/products/alive-proxy/ proxy-list/ :)
--user-agent="MSIE/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" --execute="http_proxy=xxxx:zzzz"
where xxxx:yyyy is the IP:port of a HIGH ANONYMITY web proxy, which you can get from one of several online lists, such as:
http://www.stayinvisible.com/page1.html
http:/
etc.
Thought this was kinda interesting:
Untouchables leaked on the Internet before its release, and the band didn't mind at all.
"It's a different age," Davis says. "Kids are gonna get that stuff. It's not a problem for us. We don't make money off of selling albums. Our income is touring and merchandise. We make our records for people to hear. And if they're gonna hear them that way, so be it."
Even with multiplatinum sales, the record industry is so skewed that the band doesn't make money off those sales.
"The industry is a total wreck," Davis says. "It's messed up. It's wrong. But they make us famous and fulfill our dreams. So I just deal with it."
Musical succotash
Korn's recipe proves elusive to slew of copycats
The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.
What is your stand on MP3?
This is one of those urban myths like alligators in the toilet. MP3 is just a technology and the technology itself never did anything wrong! There are lots of legal MP3s from great artists on many, many online sites. The problem is that some people use MP3 to take one copy of an album and make that copy available on the Internet for hundreds of thousands of people. That's not fair. If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail.
So why do they go out of their way to make sure I can't rip my CD^H^H "blank shiny CD-lookalike disc" to mp3 or other format?
Wankers.
Play Hattrick
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
Just as the poor server recovered from the DoS attack it gets slashdotted, now that's evil!
This from their website:
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(they'll go against congress with a "see? This is what we are trying to stop!" attitude, and congress will agree).
No. . . this is what the RIAA was attempting to legalize, albeit only for their own benefit. If they can't take what they want to dish out, maybe they should reconsider their attempt at legislation.
!#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
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Wax on, wax off baby!
Aren't we just DDoSing them by posting the website on slashdot? hehe, DoSing being protected by the 1st amendment.
DRINK DUFF (responsibly) DRINK DUFF (responsibly) DRINK DUFF
First a dos attack and now its about to be slashdotted...
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
Is there an organization involved in organizing a boycott of every record label that is associated with the RIAA? This is really starting to get out of hand. The RIAA has been taunting the market for several years now and its obvious now who took the first swing. Hilary Rosen is convinced that p2p is destroying the recording industry. Just like the RIAA and MPAA do whenever a new technology surfaces. Remember folks Ms. Rosen, no matter how much you hate her, is a paid lobbiest for the recording industry. What is needed is an opposing voice (and unfortunately opposing dollars) who will refute Ms. Rosen's claims with the truth. What is needed is an organized effort on the part of those consumers who like freedom. Until there is that voice and effort, the steady decline in production values will be the least of our concerns.
BTW - was I the only one who thought it would have been funnier if Austin Powers caught a silicon packet when fembot Britney Spears was shooting at him from her boobs?
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
A valid point, but ...
:)
Kinda makes you wonder how we can go around yammering about how every person on the planet should have the wonderful democracy that we do when the groups seeking the most power and influence on our population don't have an ounce of public accountability (other than 'the market', but that argument isn't going to fly with this poster, so stop reaching for the reply button you pro-freemarket economist wannabes), nevermind don't give a flying fuck about PR!
Just another example of how companies truely are the new government. Where's the accountability when it comes to groups who are not mentally connected to the product being purchased in most consumers minds at the point of sale?
"Old man yells at systemd"
If our Corporate Government keeps up this pace, it'll be time for our own boston tea party, Internet-style.
Do you complain that thugs don't get the same firepower, communications, and transportation support that police do?
If the police were allowed to break into my house, guns blazing, and mow myself and my family down (they are not allowed to do this) with no due process of law (analogous to the vigilatism inherent in the DoS law the copymonopoly cartels have proposed), then, yes, there would be nothing unethical about me defending myself and my family in kind, by doing unto the cops what they would do unto me, and doing it first. Regardless of what the law might say.
Now do you begin to grasp why vigilanti justice is such a profoundly bad idea?
As for file traders, since when is trading files illegal? I trade files of my vacation pictures with friends and relatives all the time. I even use P2P services to trade ISOs of GNU/Linux with friends all the time (P2P in the form of FreeNet reduces my own bandwidth requirements drastically over a client-server setup like ftp or http).
Your 'solution' is tantamount to saying "if you don't like it, get off the internet or become a passive user of our Approved(tm) Content."
The comparison with similarly unbalanced, historical laws holds. An unjust law such as the one proposed demands to be violated, and violating such a law is in no way unethical. Indeed, doing so as an act of defense against an attack by another, DoS or otherwise, is really quite unimpeachable in any reasonable ethical framework.
Your entire "cop" example underscores exactly why vigilante justice is such a bad idea, and the DoS attack against the RIAA, by whoever these people were, underscored very well exactly why this law is such an appallingly bad idea. It will, in all liklihood, destroy the internet's usability for some time, perhaps a very long time. Interestingly enough, those that are promoting such legislation have everything to gain, and nothing to do, by destroying the internet, and it is really a stretch to believe they are really so stupid as to not realize that.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Saw this around 1p today at www.riaa.org....
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mstyne: real name, no gimmicks
this is just what we need a cyber war, script kiddies DDOS against RIAA DDOS who gets hurt, everyone!
And in this way the Internet community is to persuade congress to accommodate free speech concerns?
Note the Scientology connections of two of the California sponsors. Note the connection of the late Sonny Bono to Scientology and the successful passage of his co-sponsored DMCA.
Hasn't anyone learned from reacting to moneyed cults as Scientology or RIAA that illegal reactions play into the hands of their lobbying?
Rather than Scientology-style schandenfreude at the RIAA mocking, read all the relevant comments here on Slashdot and add a concise new comment that adds something new, creative, and constructive to the free speech, free technology, and free enterprise dialectic.
Riaa.com is alive and kicking.
*
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
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Do Unto Others...
Ok...I lied in a past post regarding this matter....I'm NOT going to sit back with a six pack and watch the net go down from all the DOS attacks that this bill would create, I'm going to go to a location with a nice OC-255 backbone on a hub, as close to the center of the USs network as I can with a six pack and a carton of cigarettes, run tcpdump and Etherboy, take score and laugh my a** off as I watch the net go down.... RIAA - 13 users offline, The score for those not in the RIAA is currently plotted as what looks like it WOULD be a huge spiderweb, if not for the tremendous surge of bandwidth towards the RIAA....have a nice day, folks, and keep checking back for more "Cyberwar Score" with Cryptographrix and the gang....
Seems to me that they are killing themselves with bad public relations...
Seems to me that the public doesn't know. I'm probably the only person I know that is even aware of what's going on. Go ask some random people, not people who read slashdot.
Ask them first what p2p is, what the implications of this bill are, and if they really care if their privacy is violated.
Since when is CDNow a peer-to-peer network?
That sleazy bitch Rosen said...
..."
"...copyright owners -- those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work --
Guess what Hilary? The artists don't hold copyright on their own music. The artists don't have control over their creative output, either past present or future. YOU do!
Oh, you knew that? Then why are you LYING about it?
As a non-violent person, I'd like to see Hilary Rosen and her evil cohorts tragically drive off a cliff in a bus with a broken axle.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
hehe, are you "THE" uncleFester :-)
DOStella possibly?
To the victor goes the spoils, and the privilege of writing the "history" ;)
When the scales of power are unbalanced, some times circumventing the system is the only way to force change.
This may not be the right way to combat the RIAA, but they have more money, lawyers, and lobbyist in their pockets than "we the people" will ever have.
This is not the sig line you are looking for... -- Old Jedi Sig Line Trick
By 5:00EDT I'm assuming you mean 5:00am. I won't be awake at that ungodly hour, so I've already set up a cron job to take care of this task for me. Glad to be part of the greater cause.
do not read this line twice.
from http://www.vigilante.com/inetsecurity/hacktivism_1 .htm
There is an important corresponding technical dimension that reinforces hacktivist claims of populist support. Hacktivist DoS attacks must be executed using client side or individual browser based tools. The prototypical Zapatista Floodnet tool, (which other groups have continued to develop) requires downloading and installing a Java applet. Moreover, these tools need to be consciously scheduled and aimed at a specific web address; actions that presumably demonstrate solidarity and commitment. To some hacktivists this distinction is all-important because it differentiates their activities from the nihilistic and anonymous February DDoS attacks on the CNN, Yahoo, and eBay e-commerce sites. During those assaults, allegedly orchestrated by "mafiaboy" and a few other apolitical participants, DoS "zombie" servers were surreptitiously placed on unwary host systems and triggered en masse. In fact, the utility programs used for swarming attacks, rooted in performance art, are far less powerful than hardcore "smurfing" weapons like Trin00, Stachaldraht and TFN2K.
Flood attacks can be used as a useful form of civil disobedience if used correctly in a *focussed and organised* way.
We are all criminals and we let our children do as we do! we are animals I tell you! Check this pro- RIAA article and laugh it up.
From the RIAA's web site on the 1st Amendment. They do not want anyone to censor their projects from our children, yet they want the right to trample on everyone else's freedoms.
Boycott Sony, RCA, MGM, etc. Stop buying their products, so they do not have the financial power to hire herds of lawyers and put those congressional schmucks in their back pocket.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
First Amendment, ratified December 15, 1791
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) takes an uncompromising stand against censorship and for the First Amendment rights of all artists to create freely. From the nation's capital to state capitals across the country, RIAA works to stop unconstitutional action against the people who make the music of our times--and those who enjoy it.
This is actually an incredibly interesting way of looking at the situation. While the war for independence itself was perfectly "legal" as far as things go, the initial revolts did not fit within the framework of then ruling government laws. The tea party was done as a sign of direct protest against the ridiculous taxes and excises being collected, so the people attacked an icon of the grievance.
However, this was done after several attempts to smooth things over employing legal methods. Have we done this yet? People are calling for us to contact our congressmen... have we? As citizens, we must follow the established legal means first, then pursue other possibilities only if those channels were unrightfully blocked. Yes, even if we try the legal ways, and it doesn't accomplish our goals, it still doesn't give us to right to illegally protest. Only when our right to legally protest is infringed can we in good conscience use other methods.
The DoS is an example of knee-jerk, immature reactions that come from people who don't oppose this legislation due to it's possible implications and precedents, but rather because they want to continue in their illegal activities... which is wrong.
I'm already sorry.
The whole "don't bring yourselves down to their level" cliche is one that you can count on to be trotted out each and every time someone counter-attacks a person, group of people, or corporate or govt. entity using something other than journalism.
In reality, most wars get fought on many levels. The teen hacker who takes down a web site is that person's way of protesting the situation. Nobody said it has to be *everybody's* way of protesting. If you have the "clout" and the intelligence to write constructive critism of the RIAA and get it published - then do it! That's your own personal "trump card" against them. If you happen to be a teacher, then teach your students about what's going on. You're the one who can give them education on the rights and freedoms they're losing. But if you're a young hacker who has nothing else to offer but your hacking skills (and can use your age as an advantage to avoid getting caught/getting in serious trouble), then maybe defacing or DoSing their web site is your own best method of protest.
The best way to keep the RIAA from attacking you is to not pirate their copyrighted material. They will have to find new ways of creating revenue, but that doesn't change the fact that the reason they will, is because we are stealing their stuff.
As the leaders of the internet, we should be setting the example of how businesses can profit off the internet. Not weakly justifying our desire for free junk under the guise of well thought out idealism.
I think its a bad idea to give press to these sort of events. It only encourages people to do it more often. DDoS does nothing but harm the entire community. There are much better ways to get your message across.
scott
Surely the RIAA won't hack those? imagine the problems that would arise if a Chinese computer was hacked? (especially if it was a government employee browsing for mp3s).
I have a rather silly question but....
If the RIAA DOS's someone, is that not also causing annoyance to the victem's ISP, and all the people who use the same routers and bridges?
I mean, if my ping times go up because the RIAA is off hammering a p2p user, I will be extreamly annoyed.
Nothing like automating civil disobedience. :P
No one reads user friendly, it sucks.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Whether this is mature or not, this should be modded up as this is the rationale behind the attacks, and as such is valuable to the debate. "Interesting" or even "underrated" if you will, but definitely worth modding up!
...hilarity will surly ensue.
So I'm a pervert. Welcome to the Internet.
I doubt it. I'm sure the RIAA has an IT department to respond to this sort of thing. Music Stealing is handled by a different department.
before Congress, which will allow me to cut the hands off of anyone I want, because those hands could be used in a crime, such as robbing a music store or holding up the local hollywood video. I mean look at how many people already commit theft every day! I say we stop any further theft by cutting off hands!
"I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
I am detecting someone's mucking with the javascript....
/title >
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.02c (Note: by reading this message and the text within you agree not to hold, this user, this user's ISP or slashdot responsible for any of our actions....
You go to this site http://www.riaa.comand you get the generic error:
HTTP Error 403
403.9 Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
This error can be caused if the Web server is busy and cannot process your request due to heavy traffic. Please try to connect again later.
Please contact the Web server's administrator if the problem persists.
However..... if you rightclick and go to "View Source" you see the source page for their index.htm like so: (note: code mangled to prevent rendering... Don't want to fsck Slashdot by accident!)
< html >
< head >
< title >Recording Industry Association of America<
< meta HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" >
<meta content="ISRC, International Standard Recording Code" >
<script language="JavaScript" >
< !-- hide from JavaScript-challenged browsers
function openWindow() {
popupWin = window.open('Glossary.cfm', 'glossary', 'scrollbars,width=500,height=300')
}
function openPrintWindow() {
printWin = window.open('Printing.cfm', 'printing', 'scrollbars,width=500,height=300');
}
</script>
<script LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
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IE4 = (document.all);
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isBlueberry = (navigator.appVersion.indexOf("Mac") != -1);
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(damn lameness filter, place an <hr> here)
Just my
Partnership for an idiot free America!
My take is slightly nicer:
/dev/null ; sleep 30; } done;
while (true) do { wget --quiet -p 'http://www.riaa.org/' >
It will emulate an eager slashdotter hitting the "refresh" button every 30 seconds. However, if we all start one, I bet that'd be enough to overwhelm them!
Stop the brainwash
DoSing the RIAA is a waste of time. it is just fueling the argument against the P2P folks. P2P is a waste of time, too. it would be different if people were trading public domain works. it would be different if the P2P clients we not for profit. it would be different if distributing music over P2P wasn't actually theft. give it a rest.
if you think artists aren't seeing enough of the revenue, persuade the artists to stop signing crappy record deals.
besides, there's always gnutella
The RIAA is an industry consortium. No one cares about their site. Hit all of the member company sites. Imagine if member companies who are already kind of annoyed by how the RIAA is handling this started getting attacked because of their stupidity? That would definitely cause some internal pressure.
And if not, at least you get John Ashcroft to come on TV and vow vengeance against the cyber terrorists. If you're going to commit crime, at least go all out. Crime is the only unspoiled artform left.
Why not take it one step further? We can bring them down without a DoS attack, and make our point in a way that makes the RIAA look bad.
Instead of slashdotting their webserver, have everyone send the RIAA a mail (or 10) complaining about their actions. A few million emails in a few minutes ought to crash their mail server. When mail starts bouncing, send it again. Make your voice heard!
Then the headline will read:
"Sheer Volume of Complaints Brings Down RIAA's Email System."
No crime is committed, and the RIAA will be hard-pressed to explain it away: "Uh, well, these complaints are all bogus. It's just another harrassment technique. Sure, we got 10 million complaints a day for a month, but it's just a few hackers who registered millions of valid email addresses on thousands of different ISPs. They aren't real."
Interociter
-=What do I want? I'm an American. I want more.
This is what we are trying to stop!
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Bow to us RIAA you have been /.'ed!
Maybe a few million people should each send the RIAA a penny by regular mail to express their condolences that others flooded the RIAA website.
banking on user ignorance is money in the bank as far as I'm concerned.
Jeremy
Right on, i thought the same thing from the article where he says at least it kept them from stealing music for 10 minutes. It's like they believe everyone with a computer is stealing music from them. I think their biggest worry is that with the age of the internet performers could easily eliminate the record companies from their slice of the pie. Also if they really want to help curtail piracy they need to aggressively pursue DVD audio. Make it sound so good no one will want mp3s and the files will be so large it will take forever to download. Also, I can record most singles from the radio but i don't because the quality isn't as good as a cd. Same thing here. Make a product that is worth paying for. Eight tracks and tapes weren't around as long as CDs.
If your not cheating your not trying. If your not trying your not winning and if your not winning why play?
And only gives the RIAA more ammo. Frankly, the RIAA is so shooting themself in the foot these days that ignoring them and watching them implode is probably the best thing to do. This organization is hated by just about everybody especially in light of the greed involving corporate America that's surfaced of late. I believe that there is an implicit boycott of CD's going on. I know that I'm not buying CD's this summer, nor is anyone I know. People have simply had it up to here with greedy corporations. As an example, in my condo we're discussing changing the rules to allow a common outside antenna. Why? because three out of the five owners here are so pissed off at Adelphia that they want to get rid of cable!
The RIAA stands no chance against the internet community. Their proposed legislation to legalize DoS attacks will only open the door for people to do it 10 fold back on them everytime they try it once on us. There is no doubt in my mind that the internet community is collectively more bold, arrogant and brazen than all the record companies combined and RIAA. A lot of us control and have access to large portions of the internet. We use that control to erase our footprints or disable certain systems so that we never leave any footprints. Let's face it everyone, we have too much power on the internet. This is only gonna get better, I promise.
Try pinging www.riaa.org or www.riaa.com and you will see:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
They've blocked all ping traffic to their servers. Someone needs to write a little application that does about 10,000 wget's an hour on their homepage on port 80. We start to distribute this tool and get about 10,000,000 people downloading their homepage 10,000 times an hour. We could take down their servers for good! Anyone got some spare time?
Is everything looking like a nail to you, cuz you're sure hitting them on the head...
I agree with damn near every point you bring up. I got tired of paying premium for a song with one hit and the rest filler. I got tired of using the same ol 20 per track CD format when I could have 100's of songs of nearly the same quality on one disk and I got tired of the labels raping you on every purchase.
And since you brought it up, I'll pose an interesting question, using myself as an example, though it'd apply to anybody. It's generally accepted that if you own the copywrited material, you can make as many copies as you want for personal use, right? So let's say I buy a DVD (as per parent's supposition). Tomb Raider. It obviously has the same music that the audio CD will come out with. Some DVD even have a seperate option to listen to the soundtrack seperately. Now, especially in the latter case, don't I own the rights to the content of the DVD (keeping the studios EULA in mind), including all features, music and "bonus material"? And since I now effectively own the soundtrack on the DVD, in many cases the same music, I shouldn't be violating any clause prohibting "illegle use". One copy is as good as another, right?
That's where the fun begins >:)
As to customer service, that only flies with companies who care. Most of the labels have proven they are nothing more than parasites. And the DoS? Heh. You could see that one happening 50 miles out. If they are going to use an easily availible "script kiddie" hacker tool to deny service, then they should have seen the consequences. I mean really. But then, maybe this is what they were hoping for... (Cue Twilight Zone music). Can we now associate illegle music downloads with "hackers"!? OMG!! Ahem. Either way they're idiots.
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ok.
if there was an "RIAA at home" application that i could leave on at my house all day that would continually ping my favorite "anti-file sharing" companies... i would use it...
it would be cool if it gave me stats on how hard im hitting also... so that i can set higher goals to reach as time goes on...
I've been sitting here watching riaa.com and riaa.org go up and down while the number of replies to this post quickly multiplied when I realised that this is not a distributed denial of service attack.
No this is due to actions by individuals acting on their own volition voting against the RIAA with their own bandwidth. Their actions were triggerred by the introduction of the Berman/Coble bill Thursday.
They've been up and down ever since and "it's only just begun."
Please RIAA, don't mess with me. That is a fair use quote.
Oops, I mean 17:00EDT. Even I'm not awake that late - after 4 I just can't think anymore.
Sorry. As it is so often the response on /. I just had to throw it into the postings
*** Sigs are a stupid waste of bandwidth.
Netcraft does not qualify as detailed target analysis unless you're a script kiddie. It must be a challenging enough to be an admin for RIAA, they are a high profile target now more than ever. Leave the poor admin alone, I mean really, he's got to work for Hillary Rosen. Do the right thing, call your rep and call your senators alot and make sure your friends do too. If you really want to be a good person, boycott RIAA's members and all of their products. Oh, I'm sorry that would be inconvenient, nevermind, go back to your scripts .
The RIAA now can take the status of poor victem stating that this is the reason the exist. This has just added to there fuel in regards to this type of behavior.
But Hell I wouldn't be suprised if someone in RIAA didn't do it to themselves to help their cause.... but hey I am paranoid
How very true. Companies, please don't try this at home.
42. Easy. What is 32 + 8 + 2?
And promise you've destroyed all the copies. that should make them happy.
so i work in a call center with hundreds of computers. Just a thought but anyone got some software to allow me to use theam all to start a dos army --- not that that would me anymore morally right than what they want to do but, I figure if someone startes a list of the ip's of all the bad guys (music spam pop-up sites) we could all tack turns sending out packets to theam. would that be legal, 1,000 of people just coincedendly pinging the same server at the same time. sounds good in theory and i dont think it is illegal but let me know and hey if anyone has the site to start posting these ip's let me know also tks
Personally I think this kind of behaviour should be encouraged. Why? Well, all this 'stooping down to their level' is bollocks, I mean ffs. You are deciding to live your pointless little existance by some shitty rules made by those with power so that you can't fight back in any normal way? Ace! NO REALLY I MEAN ACE!
'Geeks' always go on about not having to use violence as they have their brains. Well, noone is gonna get hurt from a DDoS are they? Their is a difference between being righteous, and being a pussy. If you want to stand their and just sit and hope that someone, somewhere, somehow, manages to get the funds to hire a lawyer and fight using their rules in their court, and win, then ok, thats up to you.. pussy!
But this is the real world, the only limits are the ones you impose on yourself in some misguided way because you think that you are better than others! Put your flacid egos aside, and use your brain and do what it takes. They are bringing in laws that the usual man cant fight back against, so fight in the ways that you can!
WHINGING FUCKING PUSSYS, all you people moaning quite simply have no fucking balls!
Damnit, I submitted this story first, grrr!
"There has grown in the minds of certain groups in this country the idea that just because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with guaranteeing such a profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is supported by neither statute or common law. Neither corporations or individuals have the right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back." -- Robert Heinlein
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." --Martin Luther King, Jr.
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced Patriots to prevent its ruin." --Samuel Adams
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini
""I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." --Thomas Jefferson 1812
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavour to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." --Abraham Lincoln 1865
The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to the point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group or any controlling private power." --President Franklin D. Roosevelt
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On the main page of www.riaa.org they have a link to an article that uses the "think of the starving artists" angle to attempt to win sympathy against the evil music downloading masses.
/.'ed
I'd link to the article but the site is
In any event, it occurred to me that the RIAA is right!!
The truth is, we shouldn't expect to NOT have to pay the artists for music we listen to. My question is related to what an artist's legal requirements are relating to money received directly from consumers (under a standard contract). If I send Dave Matthews $10, does he technically have to share any of that with his label?
My guess is there are no such requirements. Hence, let's do the things that matter:
1) Boycott. You can't really boycott the RIAA so much as you can boycott their constiuent companies. Keep in mind that boycotting the RIAA companies will be painful for you as a consumer since you probably like products by some of these companies that are not music related (sorry, no more PS2 games for you).
Also remember that it is even more effective when you're boycotting a company to write to them (preferably a VP or C-level personnel related to customer satisfaction) and let them know why. Get a group of friends together and send a petition.
2) Send money for songs you download directly to the artist, and let them know why you are doing it that way. What is reasonable? A couple bucks a song? I'll let you decide, but document what you're doing and then we'll start to have some statistics to counter the RIAA.
Money talks. Legislation is irrelevant. All we have to do is focus our efforts, together, on making enough of an impact on a single company at a time as is required to make them change their behaviour.
"Whether or not you believe me, I'm right" -RWF
Remember that the "ridiculous tax" on tea that led to the Boston Tea Party was a whopping... ONE PERCENT.
:(
How times have changed...
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
So should you!
I dunno who said it but...What do you want 200,000 scipts kiddies or 2,000 true hackers? And we are not only talking about the hackers in America but all over the world.
We all know that from the ages of the C=64 they have always said "This is copy proof." We have yet to see something that is Copy Proof.
This SIG pulled due to lack of funding. (This damn war is costing too much!)
i seem to be having some trouble loading the RIAA's site. I really wanted to get some info off their site.....oh wait...never mind...i was just going there to help /. em. silly me. how easily i forget.
See Sig! See Sig Zig! Zig Sig Zig!!!!!
I don't understand how they where DoSed, I can't find a /. story posted over the weekend with a link to RIAA.
Quote by Hilary Rosen -- "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
Is Rosen saying that is it the RIAA that actually takes the time to create the artistic works? GOD that woman makes me sick to my stomach.
Technoli
If they're running on a 386 with a 14.4kbps dial up modem, a DoS attack means 3 people tried to connect.
Who went there and even noticed? Why? I can't think of a single reason to bother 'em or with 'em. Just ignore 'em. They're like bad breath after a realy good pizza. Garlick happens.
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That is, RIAA: mature and respectful
Those are the two words I'd never use to speak of the RIAA, even without all this digital music fuss.
The RIAA is the schoolyard bully -- trampling over anyone who gets in its way (artists and music traders alike). While the DoS won't mean much in the long run, this is the equivalent of the puny little nerd giving that bully a black eye for his sins.
HTTP Error 403
403.9 Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
Gotta love it!
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
Unfortunantly, that isn't all that bad a bet.
Perhaps this quote
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."
is misapplied. He means that their 20 college students on break that they have downloading music 24/7 to show to congressional comittees were stopped for 10 minutes
I just checked and got in...
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
They're fighting to win, and it doesn't matter how they do it. Can we really blame the opposition for adopting like tactics?
Look at the American Revolution. On one hand, you had Sam Adams, on the other John Adams. Sam was the hacker (if you'll pardon the phrase), John was the intellectual. They were both very good at those areas, and complimented each other splendidly. I say, the more often the RIAA is hacked/DoSed, the better. The more courtroom/legislative victories we have, the better. The two aren't mutually exclusive. The hacker/cracker shows that people are pissed off at the RIAA, and the intellectual explains why.
It would have to factor in:
Sync with atomic clock
Target site in varying amounts of time, but still co-ordinated.
Do peaks (cause massive pipe floods but only briefly).
Able to target Top 10 artists and movie sites so that an impact is really felt. Knocking those down would be the most effective.
App would need to be able to find Top 10 list on its own.
That's the lead quote from the RIAA site as of right now.
BTW, Jack Valenti withdrew MPAA support for the bill citing that it "had problems" and needed drastic reworking. What kind of problems? It took me 10 tries to get into the RIAA site. :-)
Perhaps Jack Valenti gave up on trying to get Hilary to listen to reason and decided to hire a few people to demonstrate, and that's why nobody's stepped forward to take credit.
It seems clear that corporate copyright holders are going to keep pressing through draconian legisation from various different angles until we have no rights to any ideas (what they call "content") or devices capable of holding them at all.
We may have managed to stop some of this stuff through judicial review, but for every one of those partial victories, they push though 3 more pieces of bad legislation.
The only way I see to possibly get back the initiative and stop this nonsense is to separate the MPAA and the RIAA from their pet legislators. What's making this legislative payola so effective is that there is no big downside to it for Congressmen. What we have to do is to make that downside.
I don't think we can achieve results by just complaining to our individual congressmen like we have been doing. Force spread out that diffuse just amounts to random heat. Instead, we should focus our attacks on just one target, and take it down. We have to make an example of one legisator, so that the others will sit up and take notice.
So I believe the only possible way out of this situation is to pick a good example congressman (Fritz Hollings, the "Senator from Disney" would do nicely), and do what we have to do to make sure he doesn't get re-elected.
I'm not talking about just billboards, bumper-stickers, and small paper signs (although those need to be there in abundance too). Radio ads need to be bought. TV ads need to be bought. Ads talking about his attacks on the freedoms and the consumers in his home state, and the US of A. Ads bordering on the distorting and unfair (because you can bet that's on the nice side of what the MPAA and RIAA will retort with).
And yes, it will take money; a lot of it. We'd have to do something that is anethma to a lot of us; put our money where our mouths are. But if we could succeed, then everyone in Congress would be afraid to take us on again. We might never have to spend another penny fighting off this crapola. In the long run, this would be far cheaper than sending in small amounts of money to the EFF every year, and paying jacked-up prices for approved playback devices and protected media for the rest of our lives.
Just tomorrow? How about everyday until the RIAA/MPAA legal assault stops? And let's not forget to attack mpaa.org too.
That's it! Throw all your CDs into Boston Harbour!!
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Just because something has the potential for criminal use (ie; everything in life), doesn't mean certain organizations should be given a blank check to use quasi-hacker tools against it as they see fit. I mean really. Hey! I know! Let's disrupt the entire internet since it has the potential for criminal use! Or the freeway! Burglers and rapist use it ever day!
Face it, this is the lazy way out. And so I ask you, who commited the crime? The freeway or the person speeding over the limit on it? By your response, we'll be DoSing every major roadway in the nation.
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We have a tradeoff here:
One one hand, untraceability.
On the other hand, effectiveness. You do this, you will effectively DDoS the anonymizer proxy and not your intended target.
These are plain-jane web requests - They're not illegal anyway, at least not in a way that's provable in court.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
That'll help, however it won't stop them from making it illegal for you to create and distribute your own music. Nor will it stop them from getting your money.
Everytime their sales slip (or everyone in the country doesn't buy the latest "pop sensation"), they insist it is because of piracy, not the economy or the public refusing to buy from RIAA companies. They may do a similar thing that Microsoft did. (section E) The feds didn't even try to prosecute MS for this, even though I think it is their worst anti-trust violation!
In fact, if you live in the US (and some other countries), you pay "royalties" to them on every CD writing drive you buy and every blank music CD you burn. It doesn't matter if it is your own music, or music you are legally allowed to copy--they still take it.
Lets start 'blaming' DDoS attacks on the RIAA. Spoof 'em to trace back to the riaa.org's IP address (208.225.90.120)
:-)
Then they'll blame the RIAA for bringing down or throttling response time on sites that belong to the government, to corporations and to individuals that just got in your face.
Hey, they wanna be legally entitled to do DoS attacks, so lets abuse the privilege. (The RIAA will be so deep in shit in a month that they'll never recover the legal fees unless they try to charge $50/CD [like, THAT'll make 'em REAL popular,] so the only recourse will be in Chapter 11 and disappearance.
EVERYBODY IS EQUAL UNDER THE LAW. You don't start asking for dispensations.
The alternative is the totalitarian abuses of impotent potentates like Iraq's Saddam Hussein.
Will somebody hurry up and get Empress Rosen's head out of her ass-hole.
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The hyprocrisy of these corporate whores is astonishing. Go not gently into that dark night, let the assholes know exactly what you think, here:
http://www.riaa.org/contact.cfm
Or was someone simply implementing copy-protection on the riaa website?
history has shown that taking Legal action against huge corporations/conglomerates like the RIAA and MPAA does not work. One person cannot hire the lawyers/bribe the politicians to change the laws.
Now that people realize this, they see a broken system and wish to change it, but legal action will suredly fail. Exhausting all legal methods is useless when you are sure that they will amount to nothing - may as well skip ahead to the vigilantism that the RIAA is trying to make legal for just themselves.
It was no ordinary smurf, this was a DOPEY SMURF- thousands of people logging on to the RIAA website to inform them that they were the target of several large organized boycoytts, and repeatedly and stupidly hitting the "refresh/reload" button in frustration at not getting to flame.
In short, they probably slashdotted themselves.
-steve
springfield fragfest (will post in more detail there)
After apparently heavy /.ing, www.riaa.com went offline between 2:15 and 2:30! They seem to be getting a break now... not many 403's anymore. :(
How much effort would it take to keep them down?
To:
Subject: DoS Attacks
Mr. McCaffrey,
While I don't approve of the methods RIAA has taken in their attempt at stopping file sharing in the face of alternative and more effective means, I did want to drop you a note to apologize for some of the supporters of file sharing who may have and may continue to cause you a hassle in the future. Their actions, even though they mirror those RIAA seeks to use in reverse, were inappropriate.
Often the defenders of the gates are the first ones who suffer for the actions of those they protect. I don't have any suggestions on how to make it easier for you, and know it will get much worse if RIAA gets the powers they request, but I just wanted to make sure that those on both sides know you and the rest of the IT department there are in a thankless position. I just hate you had to deal with all of this so quickly after Sysadmin Day.
One day this will be settled and there will be reasonable peace once again. Until then, I hope you have a good day and RIAA takes you out for a well-deserved drink.
-Mark
-- Mark Lyon http://www.marklyon.org
"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."
...and bitch FOR YEARS about the free trade of music online? ...and push for stupid legislation? ...and file lawsuits? ...and...
Don't they have anything better to do than to DDoS P2P networks?
Why bother.
But I'm willing to bet that Coble's political career is toast.
Note that in one article on the situation (can't remember if the linked one had it), it mentions that the bill is sponsored by Coble (R-NC).
North Carolina.
I have three words for Mr. Coble: Research Triangle Park.
NC is becoming a tech hotspot, and he probably just lost a significant number of votes in the Durham/RTP region.
WTF was he smoking?
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Oddly enough, the list doesn't contain Website links.
I mentioned this because several people have mentioned that the RIAA exists to take the heat for the rest of the old-model record industry.
The list on the site is the traditional record industry.
Tech Public Policy stuff
DoS-ing the RIAA doesn't really help resolve the issue at heart, even if it does make you feel better... Like kicking the car when it won't start...
This type of attack will (in the view of congressmen) have vindicated the Draconian policies embodied within the instument of the DMCA.
The solution, as ever, is fiendishly simple. Consumer power. It is not mandatory to purchase music CDs (yet). Therefore I suggest this course of action: We discover the identities of those parties whom are affiliated with the RIAA, ie. their paymasters, and we boycott them. For weeks or months, or for however long it takes to start hurting those balance sheets, the share divends, etc. We make it clear to those publishers/artists/whoever concerned why we're not buying their product, but in a polite and determined manner. (My personal reasons are 1) support of the RIAA, and 2) sick and tired of being expected to pay 'only' (in the UK) ~US$24 for a CD and ~US$37 for a DVD.) The action should be sustained until those parties yield and withdrawl support from the RIAA.
And it's a totally legal tactic (for now...)
I was able to load the RIAA page quickly. Just to make sure, I hit reload over and over. Each time it came up quickly. I guess I should try a few more times later to day, just to make sure. ;-)
'SBEMAIL!' is better than a goat!!
You are speaking, of course, about the dorks who launched that DoS attack, thus ensuring that anyone not already familiar with RIAA sees this as a case of a legitimate professional organization persecuted by teenargers who would rather take out their frustrations on the internet than pay for their CDs.
Build stuff. Stuff that walks, stuff that rolls, whatever.
Who are these people, for some reason I can't access their web page.
So what do we do?
As it stands right now, the xxIAA will win this because the Joe Schmuckatellis of the world don't understand anything about the DMCA or DRM. In fact, most of them don't even know about it.
Why?
Because WE are the ones complaining about it. And the only ones we complain about it to are each other. Sure, we write the lawmakers, but wtf do they care about a few thousand geeks distributed all over the country? Our vote is meaningless to them; we're relatively small in numbers and scattered over a few hundred districts. And we don't have the pockets to buy them off.
So what do we do? We have to get the word out. Joe Schmuckatelli doesn't go to slashdot, the Reg, fsf.org or digitalspeech.org. Even if they did, they'd leave in 30 seconds; it's all too cryptic to the uninitiated.
What we need is a good way to communicate the dangers of DMCA to those who don't know about it. Think about the non-tech people you know....people like your Mom... or someone like your brother who calls you for help every time he gets an attachment in his e-mail. What website, what resource would you send them to so they could keep up with this stuff?
I have yet to meet a non-techie that wasn't outraged by what the DMCA does, once it was explained to them so that they could understand. If we get the word out properly, in a way that the average person can understand, we can beat this.
I haven't got a clue, I don't know the answer. I do know, however, that this is crucial to the movement. If it stays in here, with us, it will die.
We have to get the word out, and get it out in a way that the average person can understand.
There is a reason for everything. Sometimes that reason just sucks.
HTTP Error 403
...from RIAA.com
403.9 Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
This error can be caused if the Web server is busy and cannot process your request due to heavy traffic. Please try to connect again later.
Please contact the Web server's administrator if the problem persists.
Just a quick question here... I'm no legal scholar, but if the law giving copyright holders the right to hack your 'puter passes, doesn't the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause give everyone that right? Or would the 14th make this law unconstitutional?
Don't buy new cd's. Period. I haven't bought a new CD in almost two years. I can't say the same for movies. So the MPAA is safe from me for now. But don't complain about the RIAA and then run out and buy some new CD's. That makes you a hypocrite. Its like my best friend who is always complaining about having to reinstall Windows on his computer because he's hosed it, but then runs out and buys the latest version everytime Microsoft releases one.
Don't buy new CD's! Go to a used CD store and buy used. And while I'm at it. Stop going to concerts too. Yes, I know it hurts the band, but dammit if the artists won't stand up to the RIAA, fuck em.
Poster puts on BIG CONSPIRACY HAT (TM)...
Think about this.
The RIAA has recently got the DDOS idea.
Then they copmplain about DDOS attacks.
Then they go to the authorities for help.
Attacking all the while.
Who's to say it wasn't them doing it to their own useless site and makign their own examples all along?
They can now effectively make their own crisis, and propagate it as much as they want. Manufacture their own real world crisis and make a million examples of it. Bolster their own statistics. Take down the net until we all have to have a new, copyright secured internet.
Inoshiro opinined:
This kind of thing, short of FLYING over to their HQ and having a sit in, is the only means you have of expressing yourself.
But I like this a lot better:
This kind of thing, short of FLYING over their HQ and having a shit on, is the only means you have of expressing yourself.
People like to sympathize with the person who gets their ass kicked and do not defend them selves. "ohh look at the poor RIAA, they god DoS'ed. DANM YOU PEOPLE WHO LIKE MP3S AND MY CIVIL LIBTERIES! DANM YOU TO HECK!!" oh yeah
Even if I say something insightfull or inteligent, it doens't matter cause I'm an ass.
Maybe it wasn't a Dos Attack. Maybe people unfamiliar with the P2P controversy wanted to confirm that the proposal to legalize hacking against so-called pirates was real. To an uneducated outsider, it seems like an urban legend, like a tax on e-mail. The possibility that they were overwealmed by legitimate traffic is worthy of consideration. It also could be Worldcom's fault. Maybe they laid off the people who used to maintain the backbone, and these outages all across the net will become common.
That's Bigboo TAY! TAY!
With all the complaints against the US government, other governments, the RIAA, etc., trying their damnedest to regulate the Internet, all you do is that - Complain.
Perhaps it's time to finally take the final step. Show them that it's not THEIR Internet. That's it's a free Internet, that cannot be regulated.
I say we should employ the Internet Death Penalty. Remove the cancer from, before it gets worse. If they're willing to slash and burn everything we have in the name of greed, we should be equally willing to completely isolate them, remove their ability to do so.
The time for witty rhetoric and mindless demagoguing is long past. It's our Internet, not theirs.
--You have to be trusted by the people you lie to ... Pink Floyd--
Damnit, that's an RIAA band!
I am going to go on record as saying that, while I won't participate, I certainly approve of what people are doing to their machines. But then, it's not like you needed some ham radio operator's approval. =^_^=
This sig no verb.
... at least, when I was taking a networking class, TCP/IP was describe as a peer-to-peer networking protocol. What does the internet run on again? ;)
--Parity Odd
--Parity
'Card carrying' member of the EFF.
Here: RIAA does not represent artists directly but we do work on behalf of such artists' rights as freedom of speech and the right to control your own music.
Here: When asked, most consumers describe CDs as a good value. ...the most significant cost of a CD today is the marketing and promotion of that music.
My Favorite FAQ:
What is the RIAA? The RIAA is a membership organization. Our members are record labels who pay membership dues to have the RIAA represent them on different issues. This includes everything from speaking out in support of free speech -- and against attempts to pass legislation to censor music, to traveling the world in support of free trade, to defending artists and record labels from pirates who sell and distribute fake copies of their music. We also work with our members on issues of new technology and how that technology can best bring artists together with music fans.
Lots to think about there. Amazing how the RIAA talks out of both sides of its mouth. "We support artists rights, prevent censorship of music, and help Santa out every Tuesday...." Yet they are busy trying to take away my legal abillity to create and distribute my own music.
If irony was a drink, I'd be wasted.
OK, everyone, tomorrow, July 31, 5:00EDT, attack. :-)
Why start tomorrow? It's already begun.
motool.exe, motool.zip, !!!YEAH motool!!!.zip, and the like.
The files consistantly were the same and in the same order, and streaming off an incredibly fast server. I didn't download any because I didn't know what they were. I thought maybe they were viruses or something. Anyone know what these are or where they come from?
(This post does not contain emoticons or l337.)
When I was but a wee little lad, I was a budding artist. I loved scribbling on scrap paper with my awesome flourescent crayolas--I loved the play of color then as much as I do now when I design lighting for the theatre. However, it took loss to teach me a thing or two about the world, young tyke that I was.
At dinner one night, I was turning over the thought in my head of how beautiful my flourescent scribblings were under reflected light, but curiousity and a probing mind told me there could be another angle to appreciating my creation: why not set my creation atop the rim of a glass within which was burning a lit candle? After all, the flame was natural light, which was the perfect compliment for my wierdly-glowing creation!
That was the first time I ever saw my mother make any sort of Mad Dash. She removed the paper from the glass, admonishing me most strongly. Then, in a moment of inspiration, she set it back, but with a mind to be ready to grab the paper and run to the kitchen sink, just in case.
Which is good, because my little objet d'art burst into flame, and not at all as I expected it to do. Mom grabbed it and doused it in the sink, and an object lesson was learned:
Don't play with fire, because something's liable to get burned. This time it might be your beautiful flourescent scribbles (sorry, dear, for your loss, my little budding artiste!). Next time it could be you.
The RIAA was simply taught that playing with fire can get you burned. No one was hurt in the process. If they have any amount of gray matter between their ears, they will learn from this and decide to play nice with the rest of the family at the dinner table.
End of lecture.
Mmmmmm... Bold, yet refreshing!
Sorry to be a picky bitch, but I couldn't help it. I'm listening to Animals right now (yes I bought the frickin CD...bad comsumer, BAD!)!
GO DOGS GO!
If you truly want to stop corporate greed, support the guy that's been fighting it this whole time.
If your fed up with corperate crime:
vist this link
http://www.citizenworks.org/
To most of the population, this kind of thing will simply confirm the view that hackers are criminals or terrorists. Non-violent direct action is one of the best way to get things done in a democracy. (Just behind, say, voting.) But confine this to simple things that ordinary people can understand.
Call your congressman. (Forget about writing: anthrax has doen to snail mail what spam did to email.) Hold a protest. (The "Free Sklyrarov" demos got covered favorably in the media, and most importantly, they worked.) Or propose a ballot-measure in your district that guarantees fair use.
There is a simple RIAA Killer in HTML and Javascript here. No program necessary. Just open this link: http://riaakiller.tripod.com/ and minimize the window. Every 3 seconds it will reload RIAA.ORG and RIAA.COM. That works out to about 20 page loads a minute. If we can get 10,000 people doing this it would be about 200,000 page loads per minute. Check it out!
You, sir, just posted one of the most insightful comments on this whole discussion, and yet you are stuck with the 0 mod point.
... KIND OF LIKE how we all detest The New York Times registration bullshit.
HELLO MODERATORS, Browse at least at 0 threshold. There are many folks out there with great things to add who don't want to bother with creating a slashdot account
To not give Anon Cowards any mod points that they deserve simply because they are anon is god damn hypocrical!
Not only that, but the RIAA is an organization that has a far more powerful "arsenal" at its disposal for sticking it to the individual citizen than anything we might possess.
DoS'ing them rather than relying on words alone is still like bringing a knife to a gunfight instead of simply your fists.
I'm sorry, your CD license forbids you from sharing music with fishies.
Please come with me, sir.
Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
For the 1000 time today, the RIAA sucks for this.
My karma will probably stink for this.
What would happen if someone created a page that would redirect everyone looking at that page to www.riaa.org at a given time? I couldn't see the blame fall on either the web author or the host. It would simply be a massive amount of people looking at a page who would simultaneously be redirected to www.riaa.org. No one would be exploiting someone else's connection; it would be freely chosen by all. The only requirement would be that a lot of people leaving their web browser open on that specific page until the designated time. Seems completely legal and feasible.
IWARS.
People, in general, disappoint me. Politicians even more so.
I don't know if this was said tongue in cheek or not but that is exactly what needs to be done. An organized protest where people take the cd's they have and have them destroyed in a public ceremony. Thousands upon thousands of cds being crushed or melted or whatever as thousands more gather round with anti-RIAA banners. Get speakers to give fiery speeches about a consumer driven economy and get a variety of musicians and artists to give speeches on how they've earned more money because of file sharing (janisian.com). Get lots of news coverage and one or two articulate spokespeople.
Rally Against The RIAA [RATRIAA}.
This is not the way to build a lasting empire.
This would make a good plot for hackers 3.
Along with "two wrongs don't make a right." (So explain capital opunishment.) In general, people are willing to have someone else endure an ongoing wrong than to fight it with another "wrong."
If they'd just address the first wrong, there'd be no need for the second "wrong".
You sir, are diabloic genius!
This looks kinda cool.
In other words: if you DoS us citizens, we'll see to it you're never able to do business on-line again.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
What I propose happen, is that the instant this bill passes, everyone DDOS the DoJ with notices of intent to DOS the RIAA servers.
Since the DoJ will not be physically able to respond to all of these notices, many will be legally allowed to go through on bogus claims.
Also, if each person only does a small DOS attack, no single individual should be vulnerable to "wrongfull impairment" charges, as that would require $250 of damages to be caused.
The RIAA will soon learn that a million people causing them $200 of damages per attack is not something they want to support, and promply get the bill pulled.
if they really want to help curtail piracy they need to aggressively pursue DVD audio. Make it sound so good no one will want mp3s and the files will be so large it will take forever to download.
That is a very good idea. If they provide added-value (over MP3s) then I will be more likely to buy their products.
cpeterso
Civil disobedience involves risk. Many people who followed Ghandi sacrificed their lives. Civil disobedience always involves an open, public performance and an air of ethical superiority. A retailitory DOS attack is standard practice -- "you hit me, i hit you." In this case civil disobedience would be: publicly ignoring mandates to shut down P2P services, non-violently protecting those services as long as possible, and willingly going to jail upon arrest.
It's like the magician's trick when they get you to look one way, then do something devious behind your back.
Excerpts from the RIAA website:
"Compression breakthroughs have made it easy to quickly download and distribute music files. This distribution can allow consumers to discover and follow new bands and to meet other fans with shared interests. This is great for the music industry: fans, artists, and record companies alike. The opportunities offered by the new technologies seem limitless."
"The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) takes an uncompromising stand against censorship and for the First Amendment rights of all artists to create freely. From the nation's capital to state capitals across the country, RIAA works to stop unconstitutional action against the people who make the music of our times--and those who enjoy it."
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
usually don't make a right. But they took away my beloved Audio Galaxy. So fsck 'em!
As in, "When in the course of human events...."
And how would you defend against a ddos attack?
Distributed network of proxy servers specifically designed to withstand (D)DoS. FBI own servers use it, and now it looks like Akamai will be getting even more business. Good job, kids.
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"The NOCC's proactive stance and unique view ensures a seamless response to network conditions - enabling Akamai to deliver rich Web content, regardless of network traffic volume
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while (true) do { wget --quiet -p 'http://www.riaa.org/' --referer='http://slashdot.org/' > /dev/null ; sleep 30; } done;
RIAA CEO Hilary Rosen said in a statement that Berman's bill was "an innovative approach," adding that "it makes sense to clarify existing laws to ensure that copyright owners--those who actually take the time and effort to create an artistic work--are at least able to defend their works from mass piracy."
And all this time I thought musical artists were the ones creating music and not the RIAA. Now we see what Hilary really thinks of the people she's supposed to be representing... Lets not forget that when you sell your soul to the RIAA, you no longer own any music you've created. Here's the proof. Or is Lars readying to "pilfer the grabasses"?
What if this thing gets passed and all of the RIAA stuff gets put up on foreign sites? Are they going to DoS those too? The EU might really get pissed at that.
Im not sure that the RIAA is truly stupid enough to try to handle each individual person at a time. My guess is that they fear that some ISP wont cave in to pressure to block file sharing. Therefore, they are trying to scare the ISP's with a DDOS stick, so that when the RIAA happy-fun squad calls up the isp and demands that the 'music terrorism' be stopped, the ISP has no choice: give in, or have their entire network crashed by a massive, destructive, and perfectly legal act of vandalism.
BTW, assuming their new proposed legislation gets passed, does the RIAA plan to do their own denial of service only on USA machines, or internationally also? Although the RIAA will feel all smug about it, other countrys may call it terrorism. If a company from a country currently in USA disfavour did that to the RIAA, that's what it would be called.
Demonstrant's Open Source Tools
I bet the AC is hillary, after reading the crack she made in her quote I knew it had to be here. I can see someone as ignorent, foolish, and untech savy as her making that comment.
Die By the DoS It's RIAA against the world now... backed up by a U.S. law... wonder who's goint to "win?"
Open and leave open all day.... How about that for a cross platform solution.
The "I Wish" news: "WE GIVE UP! WE SURRENDER!"
The "If they could get away with it" news:"FU consumers, you pirating pices of shit."
The "Most Likely" news: "You all are terrorists!"
Holy crap, that is brilliant!
Moral High Ground?!
HA!!
"When a man strikes your left cheek, Smash his cheek!!"
"Blood for Blood, Woe for Woe"
In any sort of combat situation, there are only two types of people. You, and your enemy. Is that clear? Perhaps our society would do better to not listen to the likes of Gandhi or Christ, the Nazarene fool.
Pacifism will work when and only when none of us has arms, legs, teeth, and when there are no weapons of any kind, including, rocks, trees, etc.
When I am attacked, I strike mercilessly, and without warning.
The RIAA had it coming, straight up.
The Strong shall inherit the Earth!
The Meek shall inherit the Yoke!
we start an underground boxing club and bomb all their skyscrapers? Oh wait, that's not fashionable any more
This guy is totally right. Who cares if no one can get to riaa.org? Now, suppose there were no riaa, and DOS went after sony.com .... on second thought, I doubt that would really have much effect.
In that case... why not just set ourselves up with anti-DOS software. Once the first few megapings (or whatever form the hits/attacks take), quickly trace down the server, forward it's IP onto a couple thousand or so people on a custom PHP addon... and go down with guns blazing. As long as it's not triggered too readily, we could claim protection of our own systems? Oh, and of course... what does DoS do to the internet providers. If RIAA goes out and ping-floods the crap out of 100 customers on a provider... don't we think that perhaps they'll start feeling it to? There IS something in between transferring all that data. (yes, this assumes they'll use a ping flood and not some weird bug, backdoor, etc etc)
Does anybody have independent corroboration of
this, or is it simply a question of taking the
RIAA's word for it? Could this be a ploy to gain
sympathy in Congress?
Can anybody prove that it happened at all, or
that it wasn't commissioned by the RIAA itself?
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It's already in there. But, the Tripod site is down for bandwidth cap. Try one of the mirrors instead.
The RIAA acts as though pirating music is ripping off the artists. Have they ever addressed the fact that they themselves are the ones ripping off the artists? The amount of profit made by an artist is a small fraction of what the recording companies make.
I'm not saying that this fact is an excuse to pirate music. I'm just saying that I've never seen the RIAA address it.
Members list
This way the entire thing will get another approach and also affects the backbones and ISP's. Do they need to find a ISP where they have legal status to DOS another (ISP's) user ?
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
The RIAA had it coming, straight up.
Well, I'm glad we've heard from the twelve year old contingent. Thanks for contributing.
Well, you can also go to their site and do a search for "piracy". You know, just to get the latest information...
I was just checking out the link to the RIAA site I found this interesting sentence at the beginging of one of their articles "The Cost Of A CD". It says "A typical music fan who buys a CD might use that CD at home, take that CD in the car, make a tape of that CD, - or using it as part of a compilation, play that CD with friends and for friends, and keep that CD for many years." The part of particular interest is "using it as a part of a compilation". Now I thought they were putting copy protection on some new CD's so you can't copy them. Now should those CD's be cheaper to purchase since they have less value then ones that will let you use them in compilations?
I can't say I am sorry it happened, in fact quite the contrary. Maybe they'll see this a sample of whats to come if this bill passes and they try to use this new power. Apparently their under the impression that people are just going to site back and take this.
How this bill could even be entertained is beyond me. Regardless of measures the RIAA takes it will affect the innocent, and that is not acceptable. Sitting here thinking about the events that would follow, should it pass, leads me to believe that the RIAA is in for a monstrous ass-kicking. Whether people download copyrighted material or not, no one is going to put up with intrusions of their systems. Personally, if I see even one hit on my network from an RIAA member or affiliate, MPAA member or affiliate, Howard Berman or any of his affiliates, Howard Coble or any of his affiliates, or any other person that signs this bill or their affiliates there WILL be hell to pay. Find another approach, reject Representatives as this will clearly not work. I am not guilty of pirating in any sense of the word but if you so much as come near my intellectual, physical, or electronic equipment I will follow suit taking the same measures as you to beat you at your own game. A$$-Hats.
http://www.gueck.com/1/riaa.phps
http://www.gueck.com/1/riaa.php.txt
You can't run the script on my servers, but it's in the public domain.
How about a list of RIAA-controlled IPs which all P2P clients block?
My server
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Just remember, *you* started it. :)
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Hardly, little man.
Anonymous coward, indeed.
Why not just expand the current p2p applications to "download RIAA content" for user's pleasure while they wait for their files to download?
That way, the more people share, the less bandwidth RIAA has to stop people from sharing...
AND, the user can read ALL about how what they're doing is wrong, so the p2p networks would actually be doing the RIAA a service!
-Shane
Hmm... looks like riaa.org has a search feature... anybody want to submit a perl script that continuously searches for random words?
The RIAA apparently runs several sites in the 208.225.90.* network. Should these be DoS'ed too?
:)
208.225.90.119 - soundexchange, for promoting music licenses and digital royalties
208.225.90.120 - www.riaa.com itself
208.225.90.146 - www.soundbyting.com, for propaganda about the evils of copying music
208.225.90.147 - www.cdreward.com, an informant system for locating distributors of copied CDs
208.225.90.148 - a RIAA member signup form
The first seems like the most benign of the five, and CD-Reward one of the worst. Undoubtably the signup form has all kinds of entertaining possibilities
The RIAA doesn't have the knowledge or the skill to do it themselves so they hire companies who do this sort of thing for a living. They pay a certain amonut per song as a base, so many cents (usually about 1.5 cents) per scan, per protocol, then pay the same amount again when they find the files, then so much to send a Cease and Desist Letter. They scan about every 15 minute, or determined by the label. They can run up huge numbers in just a couple of days for popular acts. Who pays? The artist of course, as it goes into their recoupable account, that never shrinks.
DMusic.com has an article with audio of the California Senate Hearings if you want the lowdown on the labels accounting. (Streaming MP3)it can be found Here especially enlightning is Don Engel's and Fred Wolinski's testimony.
Next time you're talking to the media, try feeding him stupid dos-whatifs scenarios.
RIAA attacks and shuts down the life support systems of a Major New York hospital. Seven people died. Apparently one of the nurse had downloaded copyrighted music on her workstation and RIAA initiated a denial of service attack on her network.
So, what's your solution? Outlaw corporations? Make the RIAA a democracy? What is it you're trying to say?
In my time in the military, I quickly found out that the quickest way to get a stupid order undone was to conspicuously follow it to the letter.
Kids who like cracking so much probably won't have time for music.
You know, I'd bet that between the dDOS, and /., and all the fun people have been having here, that the RIAA's Sysadmins and techs are losing hair from their pates at a rabid rate this last few days.... :)
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Tongue in cheek, but... actually, I think nothing would make the RIAA happier than for people to destroy millions of CDs... that's that many fewer CDs that will ever make it to the used CD market, and that many more CDs that someday someone just might have to replace. Either way, the RIAA would doubtless see mass CD-destruction as a potential profit-generator. :(
:(
The problem with melting CDs, burning books, crushing guns, etc, is that it doesn't LOOK like a protest. It LOOKS like the reaction of radical nutcases. Which isn't the public response we want at all!! A protest, to be effective, has to be something Mainstream America can join into without feeling more pain than is caused by whatever the protest involves. Destroying your own property isn't exactly something most people can support, because they see it as money down the drain (if not at the time, then after the surge of emotion has faded). It's easy to say you can give up or destroy stuff when you're a kid or young adult and don't own much of anything. It's a lot harder after you've worked half your lifetime for everything you possess, and have a family to keep happy, etc.
For a really effective demonstration -- I dunno what would work. If we stop buying CDs, that just gives the RIAA even more ammunition for their "Look! Piracy hurts sales" bullshit. As both citizens and consumers, we're in a no-win situation, where every move we can reasonably make hurts our cause and enhances the RIAA's cause.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
In any sort of combat situation, there are only two types of people. You, and your enemy. Is that clear? Perhaps our society would do better to not listen to the likes of Gandhi ...
Speaking of Ghandi - are you aware of his suggestion for what the Ashkenazi should do to protest the Third Reich's oppression of Jews?
Mass suicide in protest.
Sorry, but that's not on MY agenda as a way to resist oppression.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Too funny. Someone's been reading user friendly and decided to fight back perhaps?
I wonder how long until somebody DoSes reps Berman and Coble (and any other cosponsors of the legislation)?
It's not like the DoSsers can drive them any further into the RIAA's camp than they already are.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Whoever did it, kudos to you. Give the a-holes a taste of their own proposed medicine.
Is the MPAA next? How about the individual corporations who are members?
FWIW, my entire family no longer see movies, buys DVDs, CDs, or anything else RIAA or MPAA. I know many others who feel the same. Their crap is not that good anyway, and there are other ways to be entertained. There are also other ways to see movies and listen to music.
PGA
Please begin to call this by it's proper term.. Copy Prevention.
Once people start using this term en-masse, awareness is sure to increase along with it.
Copy Prevention , not Copy Protection . Just remember that.
The first rule of negotiation is: Ask for more than you expect to receive.
RIAA can't possibly expect Berman's bill to pass. They want DRM. Distract the media with something as crazy as legalized dos attacks and you stand a better chance of slipping it by on a bill that's a lot more innocuous.
But then again, the stupidity of the average corporate entity (and congress for that matter) is truly at an all time high.
What a conservative bunch of moderators!
Writing letters does sweet F**k all. The Democratic system is broken. Those who proscribe letter writing ad nauseum on slashdot are simply directing energies into futile pursuits! It is exactly what the govt wants you to do. Expend your energies writing useless letters and vote for a major party, and nothing will ever really change. Did Gandhi gain independence for India by writing letters to British Parlimentarians? No he used direct (non-violent) action.
One incident of direct action is worth 10,000 letters. As for the propaganda war? Why worry? The general population, and especially the Net population, is already against the record companies .
* * Always question "the National Interest" - 9 times out of 10 it is a cover for evil
Perhapse I misunderstood you. It sounded to me like you were supporting the use of a DoS tool as an alternative to what you just explained about gathering evidence, which I do support. The DoSing of services IS the lazy way out, and it's funny how no other branch of law enforcement could get away with such sloppy techniques, but here it's actually being considered.
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Pour on the coal baby! Give it to em! Full throttle! Damn the torpedos! Unleash the Zombies! Get em all, RIAA, MPAA, etc, etc. I f-ing love it!! Har har!!!!!
Yes, California is tech-savvy.
Unfortunately, California is also the home of Hollywood, which more than balances this out. I have a feeling that (especially with the current tech economy) Hollywood brings far more money into the state than Silicon Valley does.
North Carolina is a different story - They have RTP, but they have no Hollywood to balance it.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
Fine print:
"A peer-to-peer network may use any means necessary to defend itself against this attack including, but not limited to: DoS, pipe bombs, and buying off congresscritters."
Hey would you do me a favour and paste the script/commands? I'd love to help out..
In the words of Emmanuel Goldstein,
"Denial of Service (DoS) attacks are not hacking."
Hacking the Network
Why not set up PCs on P2P networks that appear to be sharing copyrighted files, but could actually be uncopyrighted works designed to appear copyrighted? Files could be dead air but with partial song titles like sandman.mp3 If the PCs are DoSed, you could sue the RIAA, since they would have no right to hack non-infringing computers.
do u really think that calling your congressman will do anything? the riaa can and will pay off everyone in congress and there is nothin we can do about it. so maybe we can make them a little reluctant to attack p2p networks by attacking them.
in short, protesting the mature way will get us nowhere.
Umm, you mean:
:P~
wget www.riaa.com
Those commands?
Noone modded you up, noone even commented...
But *I* thought it was funny. Thanks, A. Coward.
Signed,
A. nothercoward
Best comment ever.
Oh my god, that's hilarious, and so ironic; the RIAA site has been offline for most of the weekend due to Denial of Service, DOS, attacks. It is ironic because the RIAA is currently trying to get a bill passed that's proposing the very same tactics be applied to P2P networks and affect the computers of people that supposedly spread or host a large collection of illegal media files. The fact that they're now the victim of such an attack themselves, serves them right for trying to shove something down the throats of the consumer that is only in the best interest of the movie studios and record companies and not beneficial to the consumer at all.
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There's one thing I never really understood about all of this and that's the simple fact that government officials seem to be willing to work with organizations such as the RIAA to pass bills and enforce legislation that is only there to protect the interests, and thus the profit margins, of a number of record companies and movie studios. When is it morally correct to give companies government support to help maintain their profit margins? Or to deem practices illegal that seem to appeal to the vast majority of consumers as a better and more affordable alternative? Because they apparently are not willing, or able, to pay the exorbitant prices the record companies and movie studios are charging for their products. How about monopoly? The way the record and movie studios control all of their content to suit their needs, not those of the consumer. To me it seems that the record companies and movie studios refuse to leave the sinking ship and let go of their control and high profit margins. They're under the impression that throwing more money at the problem, and trying to bend the laws to suit their needs, will keep them afloat.
In fact what they need to do, as any company would do when another company offers a better and more affordable product, is simply start competing. Offer an alternative, revise the company strategy, invest in new technology and always prepare to take a profit loss. Instead the RIAA is complaining that the record companies and movies studios are losing money due to illegal distribution of their content, and they are trying to find ways to make sure that doesn't happen and they'll keep their profits up without changing anything about the way they market or distribute their product. Now that's what I call a rather stupid business strategy and a guarantee that you'll lose profits quickly. In order to survive you'll have to adapt to the new markets and not try to find ways to have the new markets do what you want. The record companies and movie studios depend on their consumers and the purchases they make, not the other way around. It is about time they realize they're losing customers over this and are fighting a losing battle and need a new business strategy, a new way to distribute their products and most importantly a new pricing schema that's fair to the artists and the consumers.
When they're seriously about going after P2P networks they might just as well increase the price of CDs and DVDs twofold as their current profit won't be enough to overcome the huge expenses in manpower and equipment needed to battle the ever growing number of, worldwide, P2P networks. Just see how fast people will move to alternatives and stop buying original CDs and DVDs altogether when prices are higher, maybe a few will, only to be able to put them up for further, illegal, distribution. Is that what the RIAA and the record companies and movie studios would like to see happening? I'd really urge them to adapt and develop a new business strategy as well as a whole range of worthwhile products, such as downloadable CDs, streaming video, MP3 downloads, custom compilation CDs, etc. In their own best interest they'd better be on the forefront of innovation rather than clinging to products and business models that've long since proven to be inadequate to deal with the rapidly changing new economy and means of exchanging media.
Sander Sassen
ssassen@hardwareanalysis.com
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That sums up their whole agenda rather than just the specific issue of copy prevention.
A plea to everyone here: refuse to use the term "Digital Rights Management" in any setting.
When someone uses it, ask them what they mean, and respond "that looks more like content control." Continuing to use their invented term "DRM" keeps them continually ahead in the PR game, making it look like those trying to exercise their fair use rights are violating the rights of the corporations advocating "DRM."
Okay, this refreshes, but images, etc., will still be pulled from cache on subsequent shots unless your turn off your cache. Is there any way to do an effective ctrl-F5 (absolute refresh) automatically? More images = more bandwidth.
Why just two frames? Pick pages from multiple areas throughout the sites, especially database-generated ones -- have a whole load of frames running, constantly pulling pages.
The explanation for capital punishment is "eye for an eye". There biblical references to justify that but that is outside my point.
The RIAA needs to be taken down. We need to find a way to take them down in other ways. How about the insane contracts the the artists signed? These contracts take away ownership of the material and make the artists indentured servants for the rest of their careers. The artist is lucky to make pennies on the dollar for their work. These contracts cannot be legal but nobody can afford to fight them individually. If we take out the RIAA and record company execs out of the equation, I bet we would see more artists embrace the MP3 and P2P. Besides, any musician worth paying a cent to is still producing music and/or touring.
As long as the corporations own our legislators, we do NOT have a democracy of the people for the people.
I do not comment on the ethics or morals of this action or other such actions that will ensue; I merely comment on the inevitability.
The RIAA and the MPAA, along with Microsoft, have worked hard to give themselves such an atrocious reputation as oppressive monopolists that it is inevitable that those who believe themselves oppressed by them see them as evil tyrants, to be resisted by any and all means. Every attempt by the RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft to use punitive measures against their ostensible customers and bystanders will simply worsen their own reputation.
The more oppressive they act, the more people will feel justified in treating them as tyrants and enemies: use any means necessary to defeat them and depose them from power. In a war against an enemy, one does not worry about the enemy's property rights, or feelings, or legal niceties. You destroy the enemy.
As more people regard the RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft as enemies rather than legitimate societal organizations, fewer people will have any moral compunctions about stealing from them, crippling their businesses, destroying their propery, ruining their individual and corporate reputations, and worse. Why should they? It is not immoral to overthrow a tyrant; in fact, it is immoral to leave one in place.
I am not saying that this is a good or right thing, nor am I saying that it is bad: I am saying that it is inevitable . Every abuse of the law by such monopolistic organizations to suppress competition and extort their would-be customers will only cause more and more people to view them as enemies and tyrants, with all that goes with it.
How long before every new movie and studio website is DDOS'd into oblivion the day it is hosted, never to be seen by the public? How long before every record company has to shut down its online store because it is DOS'd and hacked into oblivion? How long before every Microsoft and Adobe product are floating around on the Internet, free for the download, with special patches to disable all license keys and "product activation" checks? How long before every new album and movie is available before it is publically released? (I know, already happens).
How long before enough of the general public finds this morally acceptable for the reasons discussed above, and thus puts the monopolists out of business?
Most people are honest, and don't steal--but when the target is seen as a rich, oppressive tyrant who can only be hurt by theft, how long before theft becomes socially and morally acceptable--and done by everyone?
Somebody, somewhere needs to take a sanity check, because the implications of the inevitable are terrifying.
---dragoness
Read `Bill Bryson`. He`s a pretty good insight into what America is like, given that he`s american but left for a while so can see it from both angles.
I think he`s not too impressed with the average american. The line that sticks in my mind was when he described what `they` look like and said it was like looking at `elephants dressed in childrens clothes`!
"...are instead banking on the ignorance of the bulk of the world."
Taco openly admits he thinks he is smarter than everyone else in the world. He must have lots of friends.
How "anonymous" can "Post Anonymously" be if moderator access knows that I've posted anonymously on a thread, thus preventing me from moderating the thread? What a crock...
Seems they took their webserver offline, or somebody killed it... ftp's still up, though. Here's a way to watch the status of the front page without generating any load on your end:
while true; do wget 208.225.90.120 --spider; done
Anybody know how much load this could generate on the RIAA's side?
Anyone know a better place to talk about this? IRC, usenet...?
Or, better yet:
/dev/null -T 2 -U 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)' http://www.riaa.org/;done`
/dev/zero`
`while sleep 5;do wget -O
The -T 2 will keep wget from getting hung when the server can't take a connection
Also, if you have a big pipe....
`nc -u www.riaa.org 80
this will kill your connection too, untill you stop it.
What would be nice for the windows users is a zip of html pages that reloads riaa.org in a frame every 5 seconds.
The RIAA claims that this is the first time they've been DDoDed offline, but that isn't true...
http://zdnet.com.com/2102-11-522575.html
Thier site was shut down in protest of the napster lawsuit....
Don't they ever learn?
They'v also been down for several hours...
Wed Jul 31 16:12:48 PDT 2002
Yeah, conform or ELSE!!!
Is your name Dubya?
* * Always question "the National Interest" - 9 times out of 10 it is a cover for evil
the site has been offline twice more:
??? to Wed Jul 31 18:22:31 2002 GMT (at least 3 hours)
Wed Jul 31 20:15:39 2002 GMT to Thu Aug 1 02:49:26 2002 GMT (about 6.5 hours)
Uh, you think I'm going to sit there for hours constantly smashing in wget? Why don't you shut the fuck up, you typical arrogant Slashdot reader?
Everyone doenload opera, install it on an unused machine, turn of webcache, open a few windows of the RIIA's webpage, right click the page and set "refresh this page evert X seconds" Choose your favorite number below 10, Leave it on in a closit or someplace.
For an extra treat to the RIIA, make it hit this page instead: http://www.riaa.org/Gold-Best-6.cfm Doncha love how the barly compressed the JPG's and made the BROWSER resize the images? At least teach them a lesson to compress! (just like we compress our music into mp3 or ogg/vorbis, How fitting.)
So now USA is going to have crippled computers while rest of the world will use fully-featured ones, USA will have unstabe networks, constanlty cyberterrorised (hacked) by media conglomerates while rest of the world enjoys safe usage of internet.