I really don't know why Linux and *BSD users should be viewed like opposed. Of course Linux and *BSD compete, but this is good because it makes both systems better.
The fact that FreeBSD can run Linux binary is good too, it simplify everybody life and allow BSD user to benefit from Linux ports of commercials softwares.
Wasn't there a benchmark made by ZDnet that pulled NT ahead of Linux and that wasn't criticised?
What was criticised in the first Mindcraft benchmark was not the results but the methodology. I don't think anyone criticised them on the second benchmark.
And you are not an heretic. It is better to have the errors pointed out and fix them rather than deny them. not being clear-headed is a flaw, the hate mail that some people do is a flaw, unfortunately these flaw are the harder to fix because it is hard to teach people.
I hope this benchmark will help you improve FreeBSD (and other BSD as well).
BTW I have a question: do FreeBSD CLI tools only accept BSDish style options or are they more like the Gnu tools, with a lot of extensions and new options?
"Closed-source != code that's always worse at everything than open-source"
I love free software adn I think this is a very good way to develop software, like ESR point out, but they are also great closed source software and very well written one (Quake anyone?). I think that RMS is true when he say that we must also point out the liberty given by free softwares. I use Linux because this is free (like in beer), this is free (like in speech), I love the Unix way of doing things. The fact that Linux is free like in beer is one of the most important for me at the time because i am a student and I don't have a lot of money but this is only for the time being and will change when i get a job. The fact that it is free (speech) is for me the most important fact.
I don't think that all piece of software can be open sourced but I want to have an open source competitor to each software that have a common use because it will force everybody to compete by doing better products if these free clones exists, and this will be better for everybody, even those that don't use free softwares.
the fact the FreeBSD has the same roots that other unixes like SunOS... is relevent for us because we know it and understand it but I'm not sure that a decision maker that know nothing about the history of Unix and the different lineage will understand that (not the majority of them at least).
BTW the fact that FreeBSD has its root in a more mature OS than Linux makes such a benchmark interesting to see how Linux compare with the derivative of BSD4.4
A good bug report is very useful and this can be harder to find people being able to fill a good bug report than to code.
a benchmark is not a bug report but the aim is to test a software/hardware under different kind of pressure. When there are enough details on the config this can be useful to detect flaws, so this can be useful too.
Well, this probably would be interesting from atechnical viewpoint but Linux is in the limelight, FreeBSD is not. The managers that are afraid of using Linux now would probably be even more afraid to use FreeBSD because they haven't heard of it. This is not because of technical merits but because of press coverage.
This is good to have Linux opening the door to other free software. Maybe in one or two years people will be more used to fre softwares and may begin to try *BSD or other free software (not only OS's).
Well, this may be one of the things that slowed linux down a lot but this is not the only.
Hopefully Linux 2.4 with the new scheduler, a lot of patches, a threaded IP stack (this seemed to be one of the things that slowed Linux) and a way tobind a card to a CPU and Linux can severely improve it's performance.
I don't say that all these things are planned for 2.4 but since these seemed to be the major bottlenecks in the kernel there probably will be some people to work on it.
BTW: it really seems that MS searched a flaw in Linux, did a biased benchmark to show Linux in a very poorly way. They biased the benchmark so the Linux community respond by asking to re-run the benchmark where they would lose again (becauseof the Linux flaw they found). This may be a little bit paranoiac but this is a good try from Microsoft.
And also I want to thank Microsoft to found a research lab to found Linux weakness so we can fix them;) (we can see that they needed to go to some high end hardware (for the x86 architecture) in order to beat Linux. isn't it a compliment???)
Don't know what will be the license for XFS but this probably will be a Mozilla like or an APSL like.
For a company that open some of their sources (like SGI, IBM...) this makes more sense to open it under GPL, where everybody is equal, than under BSD style, where everybody is equal at first but anyone can close the source on his enhancement.
Maybe MS can ship a GPL'd FS in Windows NT but they must keep their changes to the FS open so anyone can use their enhancement and they can even be included in the official release. With the BSD license they don't have to release their enhancements and these enhancement don't benefit us, they just benefit Microsoft.
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>>he could give us the answer to the question of:"Life, the universe and everything".
I can: 42;)
What is the question now???
I'm readuing the trilogy (of 5 books) for the second time and for the first time in English. I probably have missed a great deal of play on words because English isn't my mother language but they still remain really funny.
Go on and read it another time guys. the Hithc Hicker's Guide to the galaxy is a great book.
> The world seems (from this side at least) to speak primarily english.
For this side yes. It seems to me that mandarin (or maybe another Chinese language) is the most used language. hey, 1 billion people that makes one out of six.
While speaking of civilisation i've got a question.
How successful was the Linux port, is there any number of sales,... to look at??
I ask because this is one of the few commercials games under Linux and wanted to know if this was a small/medium/big/huge success or if this didn't work (not engough games sold).
Don't forget: I hate Jar Jar I really hate Jar Jar
and: Die Jar Jar, die
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Hum, in fact Emacs is covered by the GPL and not by the BSD license.
But that is true that the BSD license seems not to prevent code forking. At least not at the OS level, look at all the BSD derivatives (SunOS, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, BSD/OS, Darwin, and probably others)
On the other side most of them seems to contribute code back to the common pool and some of them (*BSD) are even binary compatible.
So these splintering are not that bad and can let think that even if their was something like Linux* (!= OS's rather than != distros) this would be less a problem than the Win3.11/95/NT/2K splits.
There probably would be possible to create a correspondance between the original code and the shroudded code and to make a program to "unshroud" the code. We just need to be able to know the diff between the original code and the shroudded code to incorporate these changes in the official distibution.
And the GPL protect more a company code than the BSD license. Imagine SGI release their XFS under BSD. Microsoft come and adapt it to NT under the EULA (what they did with BSD network stack in 95 I've heard). In this case SGI made a great gift to Microsoft. If they release it under the GPL MS can't embrace and extend it as easily (unless the GPL don't stand in court of course). Of course it would make more sense for SGI to release it under a MPL-Npl like scheme.
So these three types of license have three different purpose. The GPL to ensure the freedom of the source (even if this mean giving up other freedom). The BSD to ensure the maximum freedom for the developper. And the MPL/NPL-like licenses to make a compromise between closed sources softwares and open sources softwares.
And if you don't like the GPL (i.e. "arrogant licenses like the GPL") then don't use it for your code.
well, they may be in MS pocket but this is no excuse to behave like that.
there is a nice device that help you calming your nerves. Yes the one that is call/dev/null
And I don't think that they were telling the truth. they were expressing there point of view in a bad way that makes the community look very bad. Mindcrat may have made a bad benchmark but they didn't give any technical reason why this benchmark was bad. Their mail had no utility at all other than make Linux look bad.
The GUI of the Atari was the GEM (Graphical Environment Manager). This was a GUI developped by Digital Research (the one that made CPM and DR-DOS, not DEC)
I agree with your post but it seems to me that there are some historical errors. One that I caught was: "...TCP/IP implementations (remember, Unix had the first implementation!)"
Hummmmm, it seems to me that Unix didn't have the first implementation of TCP/IP. During the 70's it was ITS that supported the backbone of what became the Internet (since when is it called Internet???).
I don't know if this was ITS that had the first implementation of TCP/IP but this wasn't Unix (the first Unix implementation was done in berkeley I think).
Of course, if I am wrong I will be happy to know it and know the truth about TCP/IP's history;)
Oups... I didn't knew this was a quote and apologise;)
I haven't seen Stripes but would be very happy to watch it if you explain me how to receive Network TV in France (remember,not every/.er is American)(the satellite maybe???)
Duh, I hope I have enough sense of humor to laugh at things I understand but I would prefer to download the LinHumor pack 2.3.x because this is a development package that feature some cool stuff in it;) and is more compatible with my other humor circuits.
Hahaha. Speaking of a people as being coward when you are yourself an anonymous coward.
Oh, yes I'm French, proud of it and I have the guts to say that without being an AC.
My country may be far from perfect but so is yours and so are any others, this don't prevent me from loving it nor does it prevent me from loving other countries as well. Your post is nothing more than flamebait and the world may be a better place without all the people like you but I prefer the world to be like it is with its diversity.
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i always wanted to see such a distribution and to see how it will perform against OpenBSD
Way to go guys
and what happen when Linux 2.4 comes! AHHH!!!! Get to work on windows NT...oups, you can't (if you are not a MS employee of course)
They didn't switch. They use Solaris for the backend (the database) and FreeBSD for the webserver.
I really don't know why Linux and *BSD users should be viewed like opposed. Of course Linux and *BSD compete, but this is good because it makes both systems better.
The fact that FreeBSD can run Linux binary is good too, it simplify everybody life and allow BSD user to benefit from Linux ports of commercials softwares.
It is off topic but I've read the page pointed and thought that this quote (from Woody allen) was very funny:
"I'd call him a sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse"
Wasn't there a benchmark made by ZDnet that pulled NT ahead of Linux and that wasn't criticised?
What was criticised in the first Mindcraft benchmark was not the results but the methodology. I don't think anyone criticised them on the second benchmark.
And you are not an heretic. It is better to have the errors pointed out and fix them rather than deny them. not being clear-headed is a flaw, the hate mail that some people do is a flaw, unfortunately these flaw are the harder to fix because it is hard to teach people.
I hope this benchmark will help you improve FreeBSD (and other BSD as well).
BTW I have a question:
do FreeBSD CLI tools only accept BSDish style options or are they more like the Gnu tools, with a lot of extensions and new options?
Yep, that is why it is fun ;)
;)
Actually, he made worse than saying that, he wrote it
"Closed-source != code that's always worse at everything than open-source"
I love free software adn I think this is a very good way to develop software, like ESR point out, but they are also great closed source software and very well written one (Quake anyone?). I think that RMS is true when he say that we must also point out the liberty given by free softwares. I use Linux because this is free (like in beer), this is free (like in speech), I love the Unix way of doing things. The fact that Linux is free like in beer is one of the most important for me at the time because i am a student and I don't have a lot of money but this is only for the time being and will change when i get a job. The fact that it is free (speech) is for me the most important fact.
I don't think that all piece of software can be open sourced but I want to have an open source competitor to each software that have a common use because it will force everybody to compete by doing better products if these free clones exists, and this will be better for everybody, even those that don't use free softwares.
the fact the FreeBSD has the same roots that other unixes like SunOS... is relevent for us because we know it and understand it but I'm not sure that a decision maker that know nothing about the history of Unix and the different lineage will understand that (not the majority of them at least).
BTW the fact that FreeBSD has its root in a more mature OS than Linux makes such a benchmark interesting to see how Linux compare with the derivative of BSD4.4
"Coding is more productive than benchmark anyway"
A good bug report is very useful and this can be harder to find people being able to fill a good bug report than to code.
a benchmark is not a bug report but the aim is to test a software/hardware under different kind of pressure.
When there are enough details on the config this can be useful to detect flaws, so this can be useful too.
Well, this probably would be interesting from atechnical viewpoint but Linux is in the limelight, FreeBSD is not. The managers that are afraid of using Linux now would probably be even more afraid to use FreeBSD because they haven't heard of it. This is not because of technical merits but because of press coverage.
This is good to have Linux opening the door to other free software. Maybe in one or two years people will be more used to fre softwares and may begin to try *BSD or other free software (not only OS's).
Well, this may be one of the things that slowed linux down a lot but this is not the only.
Hopefully Linux 2.4 with the new scheduler, a lot of patches, a threaded IP stack (this seemed to be one of the things that slowed Linux) and a way tobind a card to a CPU and Linux can severely improve it's performance.
I don't say that all these things are planned for 2.4 but since these seemed to be the major bottlenecks in the kernel there probably will be some people to work on it.
BTW: it really seems that MS searched a flaw in Linux, did a biased benchmark to show Linux in a very poorly way. They biased the benchmark so the Linux community respond by asking to re-run the benchmark where they would lose again (becauseof the Linux flaw they found).
This may be a little bit paranoiac but this is a good try from Microsoft.
And also I want to thank Microsoft to found a research lab to found Linux weakness so we can fix them
Don't know what will be the license for XFS but this probably will be a Mozilla like or an APSL like.
For a company that open some of their sources (like SGI, IBM...) this makes more sense to open it under GPL, where everybody is equal, than under BSD style, where everybody is equal at first but anyone can close the source on his enhancement.
Maybe MS can ship a GPL'd FS in Windows NT but they must keep their changes to the FS open so anyone can use their enhancement and they can even be included in the official release. With the BSD license they don't have to release their enhancements and these enhancement don't benefit us, they just benefit Microsoft.
>>he could give us the answer to the question of:"Life, the universe and everything".
;)
I can: 42
What is the question now???
I'm readuing the trilogy (of 5 books) for the second time and for the first time in English. I probably have missed a great deal of play on words because English isn't my mother language but they still remain really funny.
Go on and read it another time guys. the Hithc Hicker's Guide to the galaxy is a great book.
> The world seems (from this side at least) to speak primarily english.
;)
For this side yes. It seems to me that mandarin (or maybe another Chinese language) is the most used language. hey, 1 billion people that makes one out of six.
Go everyone and learn Chinese
While speaking of civilisation i've got a question.
How successful was the Linux port, is there any number of sales,... to look at??
I ask because this is one of the few commercials games under Linux and wanted to know if this was a small/medium/big/huge success or if this didn't work (not engough games sold).
thanks
Don't forget:
I hate Jar Jar
I really hate Jar Jar
and:
Die Jar Jar, die
Hum, in fact Emacs is covered by the GPL and not by the BSD license.
But that is true that the BSD license seems not to prevent code forking. At least not at the OS level, look at all the BSD derivatives (SunOS, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, BSD/OS, Darwin, and probably others)
On the other side most of them seems to contribute code back to the common pool and some of them (*BSD) are even binary compatible.
So these splintering are not that bad and can let think that even if their was something like Linux* (!= OS's rather than != distros) this would be less a problem than the Win3.11/95/NT/2K splits.
There probably would be possible to create a correspondance between the original code and the shroudded code and to make a program to "unshroud" the code. We just need to be able to know the diff between the original code and the shroudded code to incorporate these changes in the official distibution.
And the GPL protect more a company code than the BSD license. Imagine SGI release their XFS under BSD. Microsoft come and adapt it to NT under the EULA (what they did with BSD network stack in 95 I've heard). In this case SGI made a great gift to Microsoft. If they release it under the GPL MS can't embrace and extend it as easily (unless the GPL don't stand in court of course). Of course it would make more sense for SGI to release it under a MPL-Npl like scheme.
So these three types of license have three different purpose. The GPL to ensure the freedom of the source (even if this mean giving up other freedom). The BSD to ensure the maximum freedom for the developper. And the MPL/NPL-like licenses to make a compromise between closed sources softwares and open sources softwares.
And if you don't like the GPL (i.e. "arrogant licenses like the GPL") then don't use it for your code.
well, they may be in MS pocket but this is no excuse to behave like that.
there is a nice device that help you calming your nerves. Yes the one that is call
And I don't think that they were telling the truth. they were expressing there point of view in a bad way that makes the community look very bad. Mindcrat may have made a bad benchmark but they didn't give any technical reason why this benchmark was bad. Their mail had no utility at all other than make Linux look bad.
The GUI of the Atari was the GEM (Graphical Environment Manager). This was a GUI developped by Digital Research (the one that made CPM and DR-DOS, not DEC)
I agree with your post but it seems to me that there are some historical errors. One that I caught was: "...TCP/IP implementations (remember, Unix had the first implementation!)"
;)
Hummmmm, it seems to me that Unix didn't have the first implementation of TCP/IP. During the 70's it was ITS that supported the backbone of what became the Internet (since when is it called Internet???).
I don't know if this was ITS that had the first implementation of TCP/IP but this wasn't Unix (the first Unix implementation was done in berkeley I think).
Of course, if I am wrong I will be happy to know it and know the truth about TCP/IP's history
Oups... I didn't knew this was a quote and apologise
I haven't seen Stripes but would be very happy to watch it if you explain me how to receive Network TV in France (remember,not every
Duh, I hope I have enough sense of humor to laugh at things I understand but I would prefer to download the LinHumor pack 2.3.x because this is a development package that feature some cool stuff in it
Hahaha. Speaking of a people as being coward when you are yourself an anonymous coward.
Oh, yes I'm French, proud of it and I have the guts to say that without being an AC.
My country may be far from perfect but so is yours and so are any others, this don't prevent me from loving it nor does it prevent me from loving other countries as well. Your post is nothing more than flamebait and the world may be a better place without all the people like you but I prefer the world to be like it is with its diversity.