And I must ask, is it wrong? And I must answer, 'yes'. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Even Metallica knows that much. Hey! Don't be doggin' my boys. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
A friend and I just setup Slash on a server for his work. The setup was pretty easy. Kudos to the Slash team for getting this out and making it easy to install. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
I don't think the RIAA will have this program anytime soon. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
You're obviously not musically inclined if you consider "Fade to Black" a ballad. I've tried to study music, and it just never pans out for me. I'm tone deaf and I can't sing. I have studied some music, but not nearly enough. It's on the list of things to do.
the best thing these bands have done was re-invent themselves and grew (musically) with the times rather than stagnate and be left behind like their peers. Well said. The continued changing shape of Metallica has kept me listening this long. I could name few bands that I stopped listening because they put out the same drivel album after album.
Cannot the argument about growing musically be stretched to cover their other actions? Not only did they need to grow musically to survive, they needed to grow professionally. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to advance towards your goals. Sometimes this means reversing your own decisions.
I swore up and down I did not need a college degree to stay competetive in the job market. As I got shut out of a few jobs, I decided that I needed one. I graduate in August. Hypocrite? Yes. Practical? Yes.
How many of/. readers write closed source software for a living and extoll the virtues of free software at the same time? Hypocrite? Yes. Practical? Yes. Necessary to feed the kids? Yes.
If we were all bound to the statements that we all made, the world would be populated by firemen and astronauts. Things can't be as black and white as we would like. You can swear that you'll never buy a minivan, but when your 8 month pregnant wife bats her eyes at you and says she wants one, you go it for her.
If you're going to hold Metallica to such a high standard, you should be prepared to hold yourself to it also.
And about the hair, Lars has no choice. The dude is going bald.:)
-- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Wait a minute - is this you LARS? No, I'm not Lars. I'm a Metallica fan.
If you're allowing people to record your concerts - you're allowing musical piracy.... thus you are pro-theft. Bullshit. You crash your own argument right here. If you allow people to record your concerts, it is not musical piracy. Gasp! It's giving something to the fans.
(3) we'll never cut our mullets (check) Oh, you are one of those people. Metallica cut their hair! They must suck now! Get over it! Have you ever had hair that long? I have, three times, and it really is a big pain in the ass to take care of. You really get to the point where you get sick of the hair and just chop it off.
(2) we'll never record a ballad (check) When did they say this? True Metallica fans will recall that on the album Ride the Lightening there was a little song named Fade to Black. That qualifies as a ballad to me. And that was released when, '83 or '84?
(1) We'll never do a video (check) True. I think they are still kicking themselves for having said this, and also kicking themselves for not having done a video sooner.
(4) we don't care if our fans illegally tape and trade our music (check) You know, your ability to ignore half of a fact is amazing. Metallica is being stolen from. Period. Can you not get it straight that they don't want their studio recordings being stolen? They have no problem with the allowed bootlegs of their concerts being freely traded/given away on the internet.
And, in reference to some of your other posts on/., the Snake Pit on the black album tour was not a bootlegger pit. It was a fan pit. Metallica had set up an area where fans could plug in their tape recorders and get a tape of the concert. IIRC, you had to be a member of the fan club to get into the Snake Pit. Anyone could bring a tape recorder and plug in.
Dude, what axe do you have to grind with Metallica? If you don't want to be a fan, that's fine. Just walk away. You can pidgeonhole Metallica into what you want them to be, and leave it at that. Listen to nothing but Master of Puppets for the rest of your life, and that's all that Metallica will be to you. I really liked U2 when they first came out. They really had a good sound. Lots of energy and noise. As their next few albums came out, they changed their sound a bit. I really was not into it. So I didn't buy the albums. I still like U2's early stuff. Just because they changed their sound, I didn't stop liking the early stuff. I don't have a personal vendetta against U2. I just walked away from U2. Had/. existed back then, I seriously doubt that I would have been flaming them and their fans when it happened. To this day, when I hear the song New Year's Day on the radio, I still crank it up. That song rocks. That's what U2 has been and will be to me. There's no anger, no hatred. Just a guy who likes old U2 songs enjoying one of them. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Excellent point about the Jim Crow laws. They were the law, and they were definately not right.
I have no problem with Napster. It is a piece of software, incapable of doing right or wrong. The crux of the biscuit (RIP Frank) is how people use it. (Please reference gun control arguments here)
Metallica is legally right. And, I think morally right in protecting their work and right to earn a living. I wish they had researched the problem a bit more before taking this course of action. It sounds like they got some bad advice from someone down the path.
The people using napster to violate copyright violations are legally wrong. And, I think morally wrong. Technology has made it easy for people to unthinkingly commit crimes. I would be willing to bet that a good number of people that wouldn't think twice about downloading a copyrighted song with napster (and thusly break the law) would not be able to work up the courage to shoplift a CD. People who want to be able to download copyrighted music without paying for it are advocating theft. Why don't they call for the local music store to start handing out CDs for free? -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
You are correct. Metallica was against theft back then. They were allowing fans to tape the concert and distribute those tapes. If you've done your homework, you will know that Metallica is allowing the concert bootlegs to be traded with Napster.
Metallica wants to protect their rights for their original studio recordings. That's the issue. Don't try to distort the truth to fit your lame argument.
I do have my facts straight. You do not. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
I have made lots of pro-Metallica posts. I am a huge Metallica fan. They are legally in the right here. The people having copyrighted Metallica songs for download on napster are in the wrong.
And like RatBastard said, it pisses you off because I am right. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Nope, it was just an old code grinding shop. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Metallica is not against MP3. Metallica is against theft.
Because I had apparently been flagged by Metallica's program that decided that if you had any mp3's on your hard drive with the name metallica in it, you were in violation of their copyright. Not correct. You were in violation of the copyright because you made the MP3s available to other napster users. Right now, I have 600 Megs of Metallica MP3s on my computer, and I am not violating a copyright. Get your facts correct.
ScrewLars? That's mature. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Okay, at what dollar amount is it okay to steal from someone? Let me know so I can come over to your house and make off with your stuff and not have to feel guilty about it.
-- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Years ago, the company I worked for at the time spent a good chunk of change to get us all state of the art computers. Dell P100s with #9 Imagine 128s and 21" Nokia Monitors and 1 Gig hard drives. Oh, it was heaven.
Having a 21" monitor was very nice. Having the I128 with 8 Megs of RAM was very nice. We could run 1600x1200x65535. Very nice.
-- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Also, the idea that we, as geeks, or outcasts, or the formerly societally abused should use the shootings as a sounding point to 'stand up' for other people who don't 'fit in' is WAY wrong. It's sick. I just finished a Sociology class in college. It was a study of the various schools of thought in sociology. There are many schools of thought, but always one central theme. We shape our society, and our society shapes us. It's a feedback loop. We can't do something without changing society, and society can't change without doing something to us.
The shooters were fools. Period. They were wrong do to what they did. Period.
If people hear the stories and gain some understanding of how people can be screaming on the inside while remaining cold and distant on the outside. There are parents out there to need to hear these stories. There are children out there who need to hear these stories.
Ignoring what happened won't make society better.
The rational mind would wish that Columbine would never have happened. I can't change the past. I can change the future.
If parents and children hear these stories and learn to talk to one another and build relationships, things will be better. I would rather see some good come from all this rather than nothing at all.
It's the feedback I mentioned earlier. Society changed because of Columbine. The question is, did it change for the better or the worse? -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Limp Bizkit notes that the sponsorship money will go directly to the tour's production costs (travel, venue rentals, lights, etc.), and that Limp and Cypress Hill will not make any money on the outing. So they won't be selling t-shirt or other items? Napster may be footing the production costs, but Limp is reaping the rewards.
Limp should take a page from the Metallica book. Metallica has never had a tour sponsor, and any free shows given by Metallica were paid for by Metallica.
Limp realizes that they must capitalize on this before their 15 minutes runs out. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
They obviously don't want you as a fan. Really? Why do they say Metallica concert bootlegs are okay to trade via Napster?
They want people as fans, but they don't want people stealing from them. That's what this is about. Period.
Of course Limp Bizkit doesn't mind, Napster is paying them off. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
What I was making reference to was that the person in question had built a top line system and didn't get a CD ROM. That seems pretty flimsy to me.
You can't rip with a 16 speed CD ROM? That is strange. What software have you tried? You should be able to record the wavs directly off the CD and feed those into bladeenc. Maybe it's a hardware thing?
Do you like the Nomad? I would think the 32 meg or 64 meg limit would be too tight. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
You're absolutely right and it doesn't matter how you get these copies. I did not say get copies, I said make copies. Making a copy implies that I own the material. Getting implies that I am taking. There is a legal difference.
An army of 300k+. From a legal standpoint those 300K+ are _guilty_ of copyright violations. If they got organized, it would be very easy for Metallica to counter-sue.
Remember, as someone else in this thread said, it is a legal issue, not a logical one.
The originator of the thread make reference to an old computer. That's where I got that from. If you can afford and 800mhz CPU, 256mb of ram and a large hard drive, you can spring for the $39.95 CD ROM drive. Pretty weak argument.
-- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
I think they were trying to make a point. It is much more visual to deliver 60K pages rather than a single floppy. After being ignored by the press all those years, Metallica has really started using the press to the fullest effect.
Napster started playing hardass in this game, and I don't think they realized what they were getting into. I'm pretty sure Metallica could push pretty hard on Napster if the users are not blocked in a timely fashion.
BTW, when did Metallica start tarnishing their glory? -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
I may offer the files, but its the other person who's stealing if they do not own the CD. Making the files (copyrighted works) available is illegal. -- then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
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And I must ask, is it wrong?
And I must answer, 'yes'.
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Even Metallica knows that much.
Hey! Don't be doggin' my boys.
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A friend and I just setup Slash on a server for his work. The setup was pretty easy. Kudos to the Slash team for getting this out and making it easy to install.
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Katz, it's time for an article telling us how kids need access to this porn. It's on the net, it should be free, just like Metallica songs.
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I don't think the RIAA will have this program anytime soon.
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Well, there goes that hobby...
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You're obviously not musically inclined if you consider "Fade to Black" a ballad.
/. readers write closed source software for a living and extoll the virtues of free software at the same time? Hypocrite? Yes. Practical? Yes. Necessary to feed the kids? Yes.
:)
I've tried to study music, and it just never pans out for me. I'm tone deaf and I can't sing. I have studied some music, but not nearly enough. It's on the list of things to do.
the best thing these bands have done was re-invent themselves and grew (musically) with the times rather than stagnate and be left behind like their peers.
Well said. The continued changing shape of Metallica has kept me listening this long. I could name few bands that I stopped listening because they put out the same drivel album after album.
Cannot the argument about growing musically be stretched to cover their other actions? Not only did they need to grow musically to survive, they needed to grow professionally. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to advance towards your goals. Sometimes this means reversing your own decisions.
I swore up and down I did not need a college degree to stay competetive in the job market. As I got shut out of a few jobs, I decided that I needed one. I graduate in August. Hypocrite? Yes. Practical? Yes.
How many of
If we were all bound to the statements that we all made, the world would be populated by firemen and astronauts. Things can't be as black and white as we would like. You can swear that you'll never buy a minivan, but when your 8 month pregnant wife bats her eyes at you and says she wants one, you go it for her.
If you're going to hold Metallica to such a high standard, you should be prepared to hold yourself to it also.
And about the hair, Lars has no choice. The dude is going bald.
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then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Wait a minute - is this you LARS?
/., the Snake Pit on the black album tour was not a bootlegger pit. It was a fan pit. Metallica had set up an area where fans could plug in their tape recorders and get a tape of the concert. IIRC, you had to be a member of the fan club to get into the Snake Pit. Anyone could bring a tape recorder and plug in.
/. existed back then, I seriously doubt that I would have been flaming them and their fans when it happened. To this day, when I hear the song New Year's Day on the radio, I still crank it up. That song rocks. That's what U2 has been and will be to me. There's no anger, no hatred. Just a guy who likes old U2 songs enjoying one of them.
No, I'm not Lars. I'm a Metallica fan.
If you're allowing people to record your concerts - you're allowing musical piracy.... thus you are pro-theft.
Bullshit. You crash your own argument right here. If you allow people to record your concerts, it is not musical piracy. Gasp! It's giving something to the fans.
(3) we'll never cut our mullets (check)
Oh, you are one of those people. Metallica cut their hair! They must suck now! Get over it! Have you ever had hair that long? I have, three times, and it really is a big pain in the ass to take care of. You really get to the point where you get sick of the hair and just chop it off.
(2) we'll never record a ballad (check)
When did they say this? True Metallica fans will recall that on the album Ride the Lightening there was a little song named Fade to Black. That qualifies as a ballad to me. And that was released when, '83 or '84?
(1) We'll never do a video (check)
True. I think they are still kicking themselves for having said this, and also kicking themselves for not having done a video sooner.
(4) we don't care if our fans illegally tape and trade our music (check)
You know, your ability to ignore half of a fact is amazing. Metallica is being stolen from. Period. Can you not get it straight that they don't want their studio recordings being stolen? They have no problem with the allowed bootlegs of their concerts being freely traded/given away on the internet.
And, in reference to some of your other posts on
Dude, what axe do you have to grind with Metallica? If you don't want to be a fan, that's fine. Just walk away. You can pidgeonhole Metallica into what you want them to be, and leave it at that. Listen to nothing but Master of Puppets for the rest of your life, and that's all that Metallica will be to you. I really liked U2 when they first came out. They really had a good sound. Lots of energy and noise. As their next few albums came out, they changed their sound a bit. I really was not into it. So I didn't buy the albums. I still like U2's early stuff. Just because they changed their sound, I didn't stop liking the early stuff. I don't have a personal vendetta against U2. I just walked away from U2. Had
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RatBastard, I owe you a beer.
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Excellent point about the Jim Crow laws. They were the law, and they were definately not right.
I have no problem with Napster. It is a piece of software, incapable of doing right or wrong. The crux of the biscuit (RIP Frank) is how people use it. (Please reference gun control arguments here)
Metallica is legally right. And, I think morally right in protecting their work and right to earn a living. I wish they had researched the problem a bit more before taking this course of action. It sounds like they got some bad advice from someone down the path.
The people using napster to violate copyright violations are legally wrong. And, I think morally wrong. Technology has made it easy for people to unthinkingly commit crimes. I would be willing to bet that a good number of people that wouldn't think twice about downloading a copyrighted song with napster (and thusly break the law) would not be able to work up the courage to shoplift a CD. People who want to be able to download copyrighted music without paying for it are advocating theft. Why don't they call for the local music store to start handing out CDs for free?
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then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
You are correct. Metallica was against theft back then. They were allowing fans to tape the concert and distribute those tapes. If you've done your homework, you will know that Metallica is allowing the concert bootlegs to be traded with Napster.
Metallica wants to protect their rights for their original studio recordings. That's the issue. Don't try to distort the truth to fit your lame argument.
I do have my facts straight. You do not.
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IANAL.
I have made lots of pro-Metallica posts. I am a huge Metallica fan. They are legally in the right here. The people having copyrighted Metallica songs for download on napster are in the wrong.
And like RatBastard said, it pisses you off because I am right.
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LOL!
IANAL, but you are so right!
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Nope, it was just an old code grinding shop.
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Metallica is not against MP3. Metallica is against theft.
Because I had apparently been flagged by Metallica's program that decided that if you had any mp3's on your hard drive with the name metallica in it, you were in violation of their copyright.
Not correct. You were in violation of the copyright because you made the MP3s available to other napster users. Right now, I have 600 Megs of Metallica MP3s on my computer, and I am not violating a copyright. Get your facts correct.
ScrewLars? That's mature.
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Okay, at what dollar amount is it okay to steal from someone? Let me know so I can come over to your house and make off with your stuff and not have to feel guilty about it.
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Number 9
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Years ago, the company I worked for at the time spent a good chunk of change to get us all state of the art computers. Dell P100s with #9 Imagine 128s and 21" Nokia Monitors and 1 Gig hard drives. Oh, it was heaven.
Having a 21" monitor was very nice. Having the I128 with 8 Megs of RAM was very nice. We could run 1600x1200x65535. Very nice.
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then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Also, the idea that we, as geeks, or outcasts, or the formerly societally abused should use the shootings as a sounding point to 'stand up' for other people who don't 'fit in' is WAY wrong. It's sick.
I just finished a Sociology class in college. It was a study of the various schools of thought in sociology. There are many schools of thought, but always one central theme. We shape our society, and our society shapes us. It's a feedback loop. We can't do something without changing society, and society can't change without doing something to us.
The shooters were fools. Period. They were wrong do to what they did. Period.
If people hear the stories and gain some understanding of how people can be screaming on the inside while remaining cold and distant on the outside. There are parents out there to need to hear these stories. There are children out there who need to hear these stories.
Ignoring what happened won't make society better.
The rational mind would wish that Columbine would never have happened. I can't change the past. I can change the future.
If parents and children hear these stories and learn to talk to one another and build relationships, things will be better. I would rather see some good come from all this rather than nothing at all.
It's the feedback I mentioned earlier. Society changed because of Columbine. The question is, did it change for the better or the worse?
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then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel is just a freight train coming your way
Limp Bizkit notes that the sponsorship money will go directly to the tour's production costs (travel, venue rentals, lights, etc.), and that Limp and Cypress Hill will not make any money on the outing.
So they won't be selling t-shirt or other items? Napster may be footing the production costs, but Limp is reaping the rewards.
Limp should take a page from the Metallica book. Metallica has never had a tour sponsor, and any free shows given by Metallica were paid for by Metallica.
Limp realizes that they must capitalize on this before their 15 minutes runs out.
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They obviously don't want you as a fan.
Really? Why do they say Metallica concert bootlegs are okay to trade via Napster?
They want people as fans, but they don't want people stealing from them. That's what this is about. Period.
Of course Limp Bizkit doesn't mind, Napster is paying them off.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and claim that Metallica will be watching Napster pretty closely from here on out.
Go ahead, create a new account and put up the Metallica MP3s. You'll be on the next list Lars trucks over to Napster HQ.
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What I was making reference to was that the person in question had built a top line system and didn't get a CD ROM. That seems pretty flimsy to me.
You can't rip with a 16 speed CD ROM? That is strange. What software have you tried? You should be able to record the wavs directly off the CD and feed those into bladeenc. Maybe it's a hardware thing?
Do you like the Nomad? I would think the 32 meg or 64 meg limit would be too tight.
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You're absolutely right and it doesn't matter how you get these copies.
I did not say get copies, I said make copies. Making a copy implies that I own the material. Getting implies that I am taking. There is a legal difference.
An army of 300k+. From a legal standpoint those 300K+ are _guilty_ of copyright violations. If they got organized, it would be very easy for Metallica to counter-sue.
Remember, as someone else in this thread said, it is a legal issue, not a logical one.
The originator of the thread make reference to an old computer. That's where I got that from. If you can afford and 800mhz CPU, 256mb of ram and a large hard drive, you can spring for the $39.95 CD ROM drive. Pretty weak argument.
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I think they were trying to make a point. It is much more visual to deliver 60K pages rather than a single floppy. After being ignored by the press all those years, Metallica has really started using the press to the fullest effect.
Napster started playing hardass in this game, and I don't think they realized what they were getting into. I'm pretty sure Metallica could push pretty hard on Napster if the users are not blocked in a timely fashion.
BTW, when did Metallica start tarnishing their glory?
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I may offer the files, but its the other person who's stealing if they do not own the CD.
Making the files (copyrighted works) available is illegal.
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