Then would you like to carify your comments about photo id's & #'s on the ballots? Not to mention exactly how/why your system is so much more secure than those in other states?
It's a federal crime to mess with the USPS.
It's also a federal crime to do many things... prosecutors are pretty busy dealing with just the cases they know of.
You can go to jail for 10 years.
If they catch you... and they bring charges... and convict you.
And they mean it.
Just like they mean that marijuana is illegal under federal law? I'd go buy some at a near by store just to point out how much they mean it, however I abstane so I don't end up perjuring myself on a form 4473.
And this assumes the systems were directly connected to the internet... and that some staffer's desktop didn't get hijacked due to a bit of spear-phishing which allowed the bad guys to hop into the non-publicly facing systems.
Similarly, we've already had incidents in Oregon where churches and unions asked their members to bring in their ballots so they could help fill them out. While that's not fraud exactly, there is certainly enough social pressure that one can imagine people voting for what the group wants even if it doesn't match their actual preferences.
That's just a larger scale version of what I imagine happens in many homes. In my own, my wife is rarely inclined to vote, so I could easily just cast her ballot with my choices and no one would know, just as I could stand over her and demand she vote the way I want.
Have a few kids off at college who didn't set up mail forwarding? How likely is it that anyone would know that their very political parent opted not to manually forward the ballots, but instead fill them out and send them back in.
There are laughable security measures in place to prevent this sort of thing, and basically zero way to detect it... which of course means it never ever happens.
They have this fancy thing called barcodes and numbers to ID them.
And we register you when you get a driver's license, in person, where we take this thing called a picture. Automatically.
So what you are saying... is Oregon lacks a secret ballot... as if the ballot itself has 'barcodes and numbers to ID them'... and per your words, you seem to link that to the (racist) photo id... if there is any connection between the two, and you are proud of this?
Epic Fail, extreme left, you just made it possible for trivial voter intimidation. "Well we sent you ballot SN SXFP-CHYK-ONI6-S89U, but according to the counting machine, it seems you didn't vote the right way."
More so... what does this thing called a 'picture' do for the integrity of the voting process when you vote from the privacy of your own home and do not have to show your face or id as part of the process again?
and more people vote.
What is the inherit advantage of 'more' people voting? Are you saying you want masses of uninformed people voting... just so long as they are more easily swayed to your side?
I'd bet good money that the barcodes & IDs on your actual ballot (the part that gets counted) is simply for differentiating different precincts/tax districts/cities/etc from each other at counting time and unrelated to the actual sender. I've verified this up here in WA that mine and my neighbors ballots are identical, several times.
Now when you mail in your ballot, you will often put it in a secrecy envelop which bares few specific info, which is also placed into the actual return envelope which has detailed information on you (so they can count that you voted upon receipt)... then remove the inner contents and separate from the postal envelope for security.
Bigger Q: Why is it we tend mostly to only hear outrage stories about factories producing Apple goods?
Are the factories building Google, Samsung & Microsoft devices so much better? Or are they doing what it takes not to tick off the government powers that be?
We have a similar process here in Washington... just one problem, it is horribly insecure.
We can always rerun the paper ballots again.
Because there are no ways to cast any more ballots than you are legally entitled to under the OR or WA system, no way at all.
Right now I'm working on a couple of higher priority personal projects, once they are out of the way I go back to trying to find a lawyer interested in the project as I'm not about to demonstrate it without a permission slip signed by the state's Secretary of State & Attorney General... something I don't see being able to get on my own.
You forgot about the earlier FOIA requests from groups like Judicial Watch which kept getting reports from the State Department saying they had no records responsive to their requests.
Depending on the circumstances (such as happening after a subpoena) it's called consciousness of guilt.
A great example of this is if you happen to use a firearm (you claim) in self defense, flee the scene, and not immediately report the incident to police, you are going to have a very difficult time mounting a self-defense case as your actions after the fact suggest you knew you did wrong.
I prefer option 3, they are pointing out the peculiarity that, given all the other shit she's pulled, in this one instance, she chose to follow best practices.
"Your Honor, just because my client was in the vicinity of the shooting, drove to a near by store to buy bleach & laundry detergent, then drove home to wash his supposedly blood covered clothes, allegedly scrubbed gunshot residue from his hands, randomly decided to meticulously clean several of his firearms in no way demonstrates any consciousness of guilt, instead just best practices with regards to laundry and firearm maintenance"
Because even generic USB devices that adhere to standard device classes use drivers? And it is perfectly possible for a device manufacturer to still have a custom driver because they want added functionality?
Ages ago I was developing the USB functionality for a device and accidentally came up with a particular firmware load which did something wrong during the initial connection of sending back & forth device identification info... on any Windows machine (98, 2000 & XP) we tested it on that you plugged it into, the device discovery would fail, so you'd unplug the device and move on... and 3 minutes later the PC would seize up (no BSOD oddly enough).
For some reason I never reported the bug, nor did spend any time trying to figure out what bits of my code were breaking Windows, I just solved my problem, made the device be recognized by Windows and move on.
When parsing any protocol or format, it is often possible for there to be unexpected cases which weren't adequately tested which make have negative side effects. This shouldn't be a surprise, I'd just be curious to know what specific change in the new update caused this.
The sad thing is that I'm not sure that Obama overstepping the constitution and grabbing another term is worse than anyone on the ballot.
Would it be that hard to tell from his other constitutional oversteps?
More so, even if Clinton, Trump, Stein & Johnson & there VPs were abducted by aliens on election day, the electoral college system has methods for picking regardless of the actual votes cast by the public.
It's the same reason that Al Gore never had any legitimate chance of winning the presidency in 2000 via his court battles, but we could have seen a Bush/Lieberman administration.
Want to get some legislation passed? You and your supporters must show up on the floor and face off face to face with those who oppose you. Your goal, move the legislation a minimum of 10 yards in 4 attempts. If you succeed, you receive a 'first down' and get to start the process over.
Your ultimate goal however, is to drive the legislation to the other side of the floor to what we could call, the 'end zone' at which point is deemed passed.
Lapibility of the Surface series has long been a joke.
When I first got my SP3 I was in love, it was just a pleasant device to use... then one day I picked up my laptop and was shocked to discover just how miserable I'd actually been.
At a table or desk, my SP3 is fantastic... but on my lap I prefer a laptop.
I think the Surface Book is a good potential compromise... I just wish it wasn't so bloody expensive.
he does things like post fake tweets purporting to be from his victims
So posting made up things on the internet is grounds for banishment from a service? If that were the standard, I'd imagine some non trivial # of twitter accounts needing to be shut down.
So you know what he was thinking better than he did? It's not possible he was just posting something he found funny about an ongoing issue?
You can tell it's fake, by the way, because he forgot to edit out the delete button.
The delete button is easy to miss... doubly so if you are not the person who created the image. Do you have specific information that Milo was the one who created the image?
You forgot about her whole punching down campaign in response, including trying to get her followers to harass some of her harassers (still a violation of Twitter rules, something Milo did not do): http://www.breitbart.com/big-h...
There are assholes online, and if you are a celeb you are probably going to get more than your fair share of them. It sucks, and after she stomped off after her own bullying, she returned.
That is the backup option (even though I'm more than a decade out from academia)... unfortunately it too comes with a great deal of risk. A read through state law alone gives me the impression that widely disseminating the info, even in such a hypothetical, totally not connected with any particular state would still leave me liable should someone ever use the method.
Yes, it is unlikely that they'd come after me unless I actually opted to illicitly print & vote 5k ballots from my basement over a weekend... I tend to prefer to limit my legal exposure to overzealous prosecutors.
it would take such massive program to alter 50,000 votes that way that this wouldn't be an effective way to steal an election
Massive? I could do that from my basement in a couple of weeks... though my credit cards might get maxed out to do so.
A couple of years ago I discovered a rather easy to exploit series of vulnerabilities in the Washington system which could be used by an individual to quickly sway a small election in a short period of time, or by a campaign or PAC backed group to sway a statewide one in just a couple of weeks.
From time to time I go looking for a lawyer interested in working on the project as the only way to prove it's actually an issue (and one the state is ill-equipped to detect & mitigate) it's an issue is a demonstration... which would of course be very very illegal, without permission... and given my desire to stay out of jail, I've not moved on this project nor disclosed the specifics.
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Then would you like to carify your comments about photo id's & #'s on the ballots? Not to mention exactly how/why your system is so much more secure than those in other states?
It's also a federal crime to do many things... prosecutors are pretty busy dealing with just the cases they know of.
If they catch you... and they bring charges... and convict you.
Just like they mean that marijuana is illegal under federal law? I'd go buy some at a near by store just to point out how much they mean it, however I abstane so I don't end up perjuring myself on a form 4473.
Why limit such a view to unmanned vehicles? How do I know any aircraft flying over my property is not carrying a bomb?
Time to start shooting at airliners?
No, your right to your property and the space above it does not extend as high as you think it does.
And this assumes the systems were directly connected to the internet... and that some staffer's desktop didn't get hijacked due to a bit of spear-phishing which allowed the bad guys to hop into the non-publicly facing systems.
That's just a larger scale version of what I imagine happens in many homes. In my own, my wife is rarely inclined to vote, so I could easily just cast her ballot with my choices and no one would know, just as I could stand over her and demand she vote the way I want.
Have a few kids off at college who didn't set up mail forwarding? How likely is it that anyone would know that their very political parent opted not to manually forward the ballots, but instead fill them out and send them back in.
There are laughable security measures in place to prevent this sort of thing, and basically zero way to detect it... which of course means it never ever happens.
So what you are saying... is Oregon lacks a secret ballot... as if the ballot itself has 'barcodes and numbers to ID them'... and per your words, you seem to link that to the (racist) photo id... if there is any connection between the two, and you are proud of this?
Epic Fail, extreme left, you just made it possible for trivial voter intimidation. "Well we sent you ballot SN SXFP-CHYK-ONI6-S89U, but according to the counting machine, it seems you didn't vote the right way."
More so... what does this thing called a 'picture' do for the integrity of the voting process when you vote from the privacy of your own home and do not have to show your face or id as part of the process again?
What is the inherit advantage of 'more' people voting? Are you saying you want masses of uninformed people voting... just so long as they are more easily swayed to your side?
I'd bet good money that the barcodes & IDs on your actual ballot (the part that gets counted) is simply for differentiating different precincts/tax districts/cities/etc from each other at counting time and unrelated to the actual sender. I've verified this up here in WA that mine and my neighbors ballots are identical, several times.
Now when you mail in your ballot, you will often put it in a secrecy envelop which bares few specific info, which is also placed into the actual return envelope which has detailed information on you (so they can count that you voted upon receipt)... then remove the inner contents and separate from the postal envelope for security.
Bigger Q: Why is it we tend mostly to only hear outrage stories about factories producing Apple goods?
Are the factories building Google, Samsung & Microsoft devices so much better? Or are they doing what it takes not to tick off the government powers that be?
So you mean the external renaming to 'Clinton News Network' was only because the letters matched?
Only to those on the Marxist side of the left side of the spectrum.
Must be doing so pretty slow given for how long Fox has been making money hand over fist.
We have a similar process here in Washington... just one problem, it is horribly insecure.
Because there are no ways to cast any more ballots than you are legally entitled to under the OR or WA system, no way at all.
Right now I'm working on a couple of higher priority personal projects, once they are out of the way I go back to trying to find a lawyer interested in the project as I'm not about to demonstrate it without a permission slip signed by the state's Secretary of State & Attorney General... something I don't see being able to get on my own.
You forgot about the earlier FOIA requests from groups like Judicial Watch which kept getting reports from the State Department saying they had no records responsive to their requests.
Depending on the circumstances (such as happening after a subpoena) it's called consciousness of guilt.
A great example of this is if you happen to use a firearm (you claim) in self defense, flee the scene, and not immediately report the incident to police, you are going to have a very difficult time mounting a self-defense case as your actions after the fact suggest you knew you did wrong.
"Your Honor, just because my client was in the vicinity of the shooting, drove to a near by store to buy bleach & laundry detergent, then drove home to wash his supposedly blood covered clothes, allegedly scrubbed gunshot residue from his hands, randomly decided to meticulously clean several of his firearms in no way demonstrates any consciousness of guilt, instead just best practices with regards to laundry and firearm maintenance"
Yeah, see how that works.
Because even generic USB devices that adhere to standard device classes use drivers? And it is perfectly possible for a device manufacturer to still have a custom driver because they want added functionality?
Ages ago I was developing the USB functionality for a device and accidentally came up with a particular firmware load which did something wrong during the initial connection of sending back & forth device identification info... on any Windows machine (98, 2000 & XP) we tested it on that you plugged it into, the device discovery would fail, so you'd unplug the device and move on... and 3 minutes later the PC would seize up (no BSOD oddly enough).
For some reason I never reported the bug, nor did spend any time trying to figure out what bits of my code were breaking Windows, I just solved my problem, made the device be recognized by Windows and move on.
When parsing any protocol or format, it is often possible for there to be unexpected cases which weren't adequately tested which make have negative side effects. This shouldn't be a surprise, I'd just be curious to know what specific change in the new update caused this.
FYI: The Trump suggestion occurred after the Russian attributed DNC hack.
Who then should we blame?
Would it be that hard to tell from his other constitutional oversteps?
More so, even if Clinton, Trump, Stein & Johnson & there VPs were abducted by aliens on election day, the electoral college system has methods for picking regardless of the actual votes cast by the public.
It's the same reason that Al Gore never had any legitimate chance of winning the presidency in 2000 via his court battles, but we could have seen a Bush/Lieberman administration.
Plus the fact she waited how long to turn over the emails? Things she was supposed to have turned over upon leaving office.
True... but just imagine the fun of the result!
Want to get some legislation passed? You and your supporters must show up on the floor and face off face to face with those who oppose you. Your goal, move the legislation a minimum of 10 yards in 4 attempts. If you succeed, you receive a 'first down' and get to start the process over.
Your ultimate goal however, is to drive the legislation to the other side of the floor to what we could call, the 'end zone' at which point is deemed passed.
If only we had an objective standard for "respectful" or "civil" that was applied equally.
Alas there is a very clear double standard which our media helps enforce.
Not really, all devices come with trade offs.
Given the choice between using my SP3 on my lap or a 4 year old, 17 inch laptop... I'm still going to go with the SP3.
There are times I want a laptop like experience with a keyboard... and there are times I want a tablet experience so just fold it away.
Some things I do I could do just as easily with an iPad, and sometimes I want to run a full on dev environment and get work done.
Lapibility of the Surface series has long been a joke.
When I first got my SP3 I was in love, it was just a pleasant device to use... then one day I picked up my laptop and was shocked to discover just how miserable I'd actually been.
At a table or desk, my SP3 is fantastic... but on my lap I prefer a laptop.
I think the Surface Book is a good potential compromise... I just wish it wasn't so bloody expensive.
This doesn't make it... because this is the year of Linux on the Desktop... but only thanks to the Ubuntu subsystem in Windows 10.
So posting made up things on the internet is grounds for banishment from a service? If that were the standard, I'd imagine some non trivial # of twitter accounts needing to be shut down.
Given some of the rather racist posting history of Leslie Jones... as Dan Rather would call them... 'fake but accurate'
So you know what he was thinking better than he did? It's not possible he was just posting something he found funny about an ongoing issue?
The delete button is easy to miss... doubly so if you are not the person who created the image. Do you have specific information that Milo was the one who created the image?
You forgot about her whole punching down campaign in response, including trying to get her followers to harass some of her harassers (still a violation of Twitter rules, something Milo did not do): http://www.breitbart.com/big-h...
There are assholes online, and if you are a celeb you are probably going to get more than your fair share of them. It sucks, and after she stomped off after her own bullying, she returned.
Sorry, but the harassment campaign against Leslie Jones was well underway before he said anything to/about her on Twitter.
That is the backup option (even though I'm more than a decade out from academia)... unfortunately it too comes with a great deal of risk. A read through state law alone gives me the impression that widely disseminating the info, even in such a hypothetical, totally not connected with any particular state would still leave me liable should someone ever use the method.
Yes, it is unlikely that they'd come after me unless I actually opted to illicitly print & vote 5k ballots from my basement over a weekend... I tend to prefer to limit my legal exposure to overzealous prosecutors.
Massive? I could do that from my basement in a couple of weeks... though my credit cards might get maxed out to do so.
A couple of years ago I discovered a rather easy to exploit series of vulnerabilities in the Washington system which could be used by an individual to quickly sway a small election in a short period of time, or by a campaign or PAC backed group to sway a statewide one in just a couple of weeks.
From time to time I go looking for a lawyer interested in working on the project as the only way to prove it's actually an issue (and one the state is ill-equipped to detect & mitigate) it's an issue is a demonstration... which would of course be very very illegal, without permission... and given my desire to stay out of jail, I've not moved on this project nor disclosed the specifics.