Sites already know when we are using plug-ins like Adblocker and some either ask us to exempt their site or refuse to let us in at all. That will continue and render ad blockers useless.
We've already seen that with cookies.
Turn cookies off in your browser and have fun with that bad idea and stuff.
that can be gamed by loading the scripts but not executing them there are similar schemes for cookies.
Not just the sound guy, the sound guy that wrote the broken sound framework. Pulseadio is a horrible horrible system.
Sound on Linux was useless before pulseaudio.
Initial pulseaudio was crap.
Now it works.
Tell that to my laptop where it used to (before I replaced it with alsa) crap out when things like head phones were unplugged, or where I would have to go kill the pulse audio’s daemon every few hours because it decided to just start garbling sound for no reason.
Oh, Lennart own Gnome now? That is exactly the type of comments I read from critiques of systemd.
Own no, but you would have to be very dense to beleive there is no conection.
Where do many of the gnome devs work? redhat. Where does Pottering work?... redhat. Where is gnome hosted? freedesktop.org Where is systemd hosted? freedesktop.org.
Its the same people working on both.
From the braindead, community ignoring, development team the borked gnome 3 And lead by the guy the wrote the most broken sound system in all of unix and the buggyness that is network-manager comes SystemD...
Oh please cry me a river. Impose systemd on others? Did Lennart own Ubuntu, Debian, RedHat and Suse now? It was deceided by the developers of those distributions to replace the old sysv init with systemd, and the alternatives were concidered. In Debian it was a democratic process by voting. RedHat is a company so clearly they will not bet on a broken system. Almost all of the arguments against systemd are not valid on technical grounds, and now you want to muddy the waters by attacking Lennart directly.
Systemd sypports text files just fine, you do the straw man here. Fedora have systemd since F18 (I think), today I'm using F20, and I still have all my log text files in the same location. Debian *voted* on the issue and decided that the alternatives (upstart, etc.) are not good enough technically compared to systemd, and sysv init was obolete. If you are thinking that Debian is now owned by Lennart, you really need to get your tin hat.
Systemd is not a mess. Many of the points are just false. Like your straw man with binary log files.
No he doesn't own them but he sure tied they're hands by making it a dependacy form gnome.
First almost all distributions already go with systemd. Gentoo is the only major holdout and that's harmless since Gentoo is fairly self supporting. Gentoo also doesn't use init they use a very good upgrade called OpenRC. There is no systemd fork going on. I think there are a small group of people who would like a fork but they aren't going to get it.
Second, for the End Use it is fairly easy to imagine what would happen for distributions without systemd. Right now in init people kludge together systems which restart daemons when they have problems or monitor them. Most likely those kludges don't get written when systemd is ubiquitous on the major distributions. Which means end users on init based systems will have daemons go down and stay down or ask for resources and not get them. They'll experience a much more buggy unreliable system. "You have to reboot Linux every couple days otherwise too much stuff doesn't work".
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As for the rest reducing the pool of available developers for most choices. This is where it gets tricky. You can look at the distributions overtime and see big differences. Take for example the original (in the USA) big 3 Linuxes of 20 years ago:
Debian -- heavy focus on open source. Willing to be hard to use. Server focused RedHat -- moderate focus on open source. Aimed to be easy for hobbyists. Workstation focused Caldera -- indifferent to open vs. closed source. Aimed for commercial functionality, especially desktop using a Novell LAN.
OK let's go back to that point in time. How do you prevent the original fork? Clearly those distributions served different needs they have different users in mind. Now let's look today
Debian -- meta distribution that is key end users are distributions who distribute free desktop Linuxes or embedded systems. Focused on being the leader in keeping Linux open and free. RedHat -- Enterprise server and infrastructure. Just starting to refocus on embedded. SUSE -- Meta distribution designed to allow for containerized custom OSes for VMs. Android -- Meta distribution for touch enabled ARM hardware
Again very distinct user bases. Arguably on that list SUSE and RedHat could merge. But beyond that, where do you a merge potential?
No gentoo is not the only holdout there is slackware, for example that doesn't.
What's wrong with services.msc on a Windows Server machine? Any serious answers from people who actually used it?
In windows nothing because it fits the windows way of doing thing but it is horrible when you have a OS based on the UNIX philosophy, well not so much. The Unix design philosophy as described by Doug McIlroy (the hacker that wrote the unix pipes)
(i) Make each program do one thing well. To do a new job, build afresh rather than complicate old programs by adding new features.
(ii) Expect the output of every program to become the input to another, as yet unknown, program. Don't clutter output with extraneous information. Avoid stringently columnar or binary input formats. Don't insist on interactive input. (later he summarized this as "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface")
(iii) Design and build software, even operating systems, to be tried early, ideally within weeks. Don't hesitate to throw away the clumsy parts and rebuild them.
SystemD violates every single tenet of Unix system design, for no benefit.
Instead of doing one thing start a system like System V init, SystemD takes the kitchen sink approach and does many things badly. instead of using interoperable text streams for output log and debugging the use a binary format. They now can't throw out all of there brokenness like rule 3 says because they didn't fallow the other rules, because sytemD is also cron and also a volume manager, network manager, handles disc encryption, handles power management... throwing it out means instead of having to replace/fix one small broken util they have to redo everything.
Then there is the developer community from SystemD that blames all there bugs of others or just tell people to get over it. It has gotten so bad the Linus Torvalds has had to ban code from Pottering the head Dev of SystemD because it keeps breaking shit. There is nothing good coming of SystemD.
Closed source isnt even the bar anymore. GPL lunatics crib about CDDL and a whole host of other licenses. I'd rather have closed source that works than open half-bake.
systemd is breaking UNIX tradition - which is things may suck, but they suck simply. Now its a horrible mess. We now have (1) scripts, (2) openrc, (3) upstart and (4) systemd. What a sick joke.
And the best thing I've seen so far to replace startup scripts is Sun's SMF... NIH alert! We couldnt have copied that - something that actually worked - no we need to have yet another method of starting things.
Worse thing is eth0 is now en0p1FuK0001, drivers are modprobbed in random order, stuff gets renamed and moved around, and NetworkMangler aka NetworkManager is shoved down our throats.
Its horrible. And its very desktop-ish.
What do you expect from a guy whose magnum opus was a sound framework for linux. Yeah, thats the guy you want re-writing how everything starts and stops. Dont copy the guys who invented NFS or ZFS or stuff like that, copy the junk the sound guy comes up with.
Not just the sound guy, the sound guy that wrote the broken sound framework. Pulseadio is a horrible horrible system. I have taken to just purging it and using alsa and I then have audio system that doesn’t shit itself and become a zombie process when I unplug my headphones or try to run a program in w.i.n.e.. As for his other endevors network manager, has had major issues on several network cards have used so I ususaly scrap it and use wicd. From what I have seen SystemD does not look like anything I want on my systems either so when the time comes I will be considering my alternitives.It may just be the motivation I need to try out openBSD on my server, my desktop though I may go so far as to try out something like Gentoo or slackware.
I'm confused by the text you quoted as coming from a parent comment. I cannot find that text in the parent comment, and AFAICS comments are not editable once posted, so that means it was never there. Where did you find this:
> Which means this is nothing but a hunter subsidy. Like whaling for Japan where their excuse is "whales eat all the fish".
And about the subsidy, juts for the record, since the text is there and I cannot find the quoted comment to reply to:
The articles says the compensation is just enough for disposal of the dead animals, it isn't even a compensation for missed earnings had they sold the meat. And I can tell you selling that meat would not a problem, people like buying wild animal meat. So the statement makes no sense at all, except to show that ideology often blinds ones reasoning abilities.
are you showing all comments? rated -1 even? because I hit quote parent button. I browse at all comments shown and it shows up for me.
Do you shoot at cars that go by your house too? How about planes that fly over? What happens when it falls and hits someone from 5-600 feet up carrying a 50 pound payload you going to pay the hospital bills after you shoot it out of the air?
if a somebody's drone was trespassing on my property I would blast it out of the sky.
Actually you don't own the airspace over your property.
"The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States. The act defines navigable airspace as "airspace above the minimum altitudes of flightincluding airspace needed to ensure the safety in the takeoff and landing of aircraft."
In fact the United States Supreme Court in UNITED STATES v. CAUSBY ruled that air space is a public highway, as such you would be shooting a vehicle on a public highway. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/328/256)
And shooting at aircraft including drones is already illeagle and will result in you getting sent to jail for about 20 years. (18 U.S. Code 32 - Destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities)
So if you want to spend decades behind bars please by all mean shoot one.
Do you shoot at cars that go by your house too? How about planes that fly over? What happens when it falls and hits someone from 5-600 feet up carrying a 50 pound payload you going to pay the hospital bills after you shoot it out of the air?
Yea, just like our electricity, oh wait. I mean like telephone service, no. Television, that's it, oops. Can't say water or sewer either, I live out of town and have a well, septic, and private trash pickup.
Good luck with that to hold successful revolution would need a significant portion of the citizenry to join you, one guy with a gun is a is target practice.
this would be a disaster for America, and CONcast.
Why is it no surprise we are suppose to live in a "free country", " free market" and yet our politicians are pretty much hand puppets just shove your money up their ass and make them dance. And people keep voting for this baboons, and allowing industries and corporations to pretty much OWN them.
I think the only hope we have right now is if enough yuppies get together and actually do something Gaagle has failed at, create another ISP service that is free, open, fast, and cheap.
By "Gaagle" do you mean Google if so what do you mean they have failed they are still expanding and delivering g.b.p.s. internet speeds and prices from other providers they are competing with have dropped where google has gone in and their speeds have gone up to match.
You pay a private company for water? Where is this Randian paradise in which you live?
We pay a privet co-op for water out where I live south west Washington. Co-op shares can be a bit spendy up front but that is a one time investment and the water bill isn't that after that, but we have been thinking of putting in a well more recently just to be more self sufficient and off of the grid.
The way Slashdot hid a -1 comment made it appear as if the post I was responding to was intended as a "the government would be worse" post, while in truth it was in response to such a post.
Thats why I always try to remember to quote the person I am responding to because people will mode you down when they read you post out of context. I wish/. would force mods to browse at -1 while they have points.
but since this is politics it ain't no rose and it don't smell sweet. No the money isn't put into the congressman personal account but the PAC is essentially a campaigning run by proxy. And instead of fiduciary reward other less formal forms of graft are used like their failure of a kid managing to make into a ivy league school, after a suitable donation is given to the university by a company wanting bill passed, high-speed internet may be installed in a senators home neighborhood, he may get high 6 figure sallery job no effort job lined up after his term is ended. Oh and don't forget insider trading is LEGAL for senators and congressman so a insider stock tip to them can make then rich with no repercussions.
So If I spent roughly 10-20 hours a week playing Planetside2 (MMOFPS) for the past year and a half, which was free, I'm not a gamer? No purchase involved. There are many free to play titles (wasn't Farmville that so many mentioned free also?). I don't really play any other games outside of Planetside2, but after being in 3 large outfits (clans/guilds) of several hundred active members at any time, I can tell you male to female ratio is about 50:1 if not more. The whole female gamer thing still seems like a myth.
Its no entirely a myth I know one gamer thats female, she mostly plays single player rpg's like Baldurs Gate and freemium FPS's like Team Fortress.
An AUP governs the use of campus equipment and services.
I clicked the link and read the article, and there's gasping outrage about how they're "limiting free speech" by telling students they *also* can't use the campus computer systems for things like political messaging, meetings, rallies, or anything else - in other words, no, you can't spam the student body.
And for those of you who think that it's not right that they'd limit that sort of usage, think long and hard about this:
- Campus Christian Ministry decides to start spamming the entire campus with pro-life messages. - Young Republicans club start spamming the entire campus with messages calling for the impeachment of Pres. Obama. - ROTC program starts spamming the entire campus with messages encouraging students to sign up for military service.
Where's your unfettered free speech now?
Yeah how dare those conservatives exercise their rights to free speech its not like you can mark them as spam and never hear anything they say again. Hell lets take this a step further lets just curtail all political speech on a public campus, In-fact lets set aside an area where they can say what they think where no one else was to hear it we can call it a free speech zone...
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I'm from Argentina and... Oh, god, please someone mod this BS message down!
Argentina has one of the highest Human Development Index values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Yeah almost as high as Cuba and we all know how well off they are...
a 35% tax on all offshore buys using a credit card
With that kind of tariff how long till all out of country purchases are made with bitcoin?
Here's a solid prediction, to boot:
Sites already know when we are using plug-ins like Adblocker and some either ask us to exempt their site or refuse to let us in at all. That will continue and render ad blockers useless.
We've already seen that with cookies.
Turn cookies off in your browser and have fun with that bad idea and stuff.
that can be gamed by loading the scripts but not executing them there are similar schemes for cookies.
Not just the sound guy, the sound guy that wrote the broken sound framework. Pulseadio is a horrible horrible system.
Sound on Linux was useless before pulseaudio.
Initial pulseaudio was crap.
Now it works.
Tell that to my laptop where it used to (before I replaced it with alsa) crap out when things like head phones were unplugged, or where I would have to go kill the pulse audio’s daemon every few hours because it decided to just start garbling sound for no reason.
Oh, Lennart own Gnome now?
That is exactly the type of comments I read from critiques of systemd.
Own no, but you would have to be very dense to beleive there is no conection.
Where do many of the gnome devs work? redhat.
Where does Pottering work?... redhat.
Where is gnome hosted? freedesktop.org
Where is systemd hosted? freedesktop.org.
Its the same people working on both.
From the braindead, community ignoring, development team the borked gnome 3
And lead by the guy the wrote the most broken sound system in all of unix and the buggyness that is network-manager
comes SystemD...
Oh please cry me a river. Impose systemd on others? Did Lennart own Ubuntu, Debian, RedHat and Suse now? It was deceided by the developers of those distributions to replace the old sysv init with systemd, and the alternatives were concidered. In Debian it was a democratic process by voting. RedHat is a company so clearly they will not bet on a broken system. Almost all of the arguments against systemd are not valid on technical grounds, and now you want to muddy the waters by attacking Lennart directly.
Systemd sypports text files just fine, you do the straw man here. Fedora have systemd since F18 (I think), today I'm using F20, and I still have all my log text files in the same location. Debian *voted* on the issue and decided that the alternatives (upstart, etc.) are not good enough technically compared to systemd, and sysv init was obolete. If you are thinking that Debian is now owned by Lennart, you really need to get your tin hat.
Systemd is not a mess. Many of the points are just false. Like your straw man with binary log files.
No he doesn't own them but he sure tied they're hands by making it a dependacy form gnome.
2 comments.
First almost all distributions already go with systemd. Gentoo is the only major holdout and that's harmless since Gentoo is fairly self supporting. Gentoo also doesn't use init they use a very good upgrade called OpenRC. There is no systemd fork going on. I think there are a small group of people who would like a fork but they aren't going to get it.
Second, for the End Use it is fairly easy to imagine what would happen for distributions without systemd. Right now in init people kludge together systems which restart daemons when they have problems or monitor them. Most likely those kludges don't get written when systemd is ubiquitous on the major distributions. Which means end users on init based systems will have daemons go down and stay down or ask for resources and not get them. They'll experience a much more buggy unreliable system. "You have to reboot Linux every couple days otherwise too much stuff doesn't work".
_____
As for the rest reducing the pool of available developers for most choices. This is where it gets tricky. You can look at the distributions overtime and see big differences. Take for example the original (in the USA) big 3 Linuxes of 20 years ago:
Debian -- heavy focus on open source. Willing to be hard to use. Server focused
RedHat -- moderate focus on open source. Aimed to be easy for hobbyists. Workstation focused
Caldera -- indifferent to open vs. closed source. Aimed for commercial functionality, especially desktop using a Novell LAN.
OK let's go back to that point in time. How do you prevent the original fork? Clearly those distributions served different needs they have different users in mind. Now let's look today
Debian -- meta distribution that is key end users are distributions who distribute free desktop Linuxes or embedded systems. Focused on being the leader in keeping Linux open and free.
RedHat -- Enterprise server and infrastructure. Just starting to refocus on embedded.
SUSE -- Meta distribution designed to allow for containerized custom OSes for VMs.
Android -- Meta distribution for touch enabled ARM hardware
Again very distinct user bases. Arguably on that list SUSE and RedHat could merge. But beyond that, where do you a merge potential?
No gentoo is not the only holdout there is slackware, for example that doesn't.
What's wrong with services.msc on a Windows Server machine? Any serious answers from people who actually used it?
In windows nothing because it fits the windows way of doing thing but it is horrible when you have a OS based on the UNIX philosophy, well not so much. The Unix design philosophy as described by Doug McIlroy (the hacker that wrote the unix pipes)
(i) Make each program do one thing well. To do a new job, build afresh rather than complicate old programs by adding new features.
(ii) Expect the output of every program to become the input to another, as yet unknown, program. Don't clutter output with extraneous information. Avoid stringently columnar or binary input formats. Don't insist on interactive input. (later he summarized this as "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface")
(iii) Design and build software, even operating systems, to be tried early, ideally within weeks. Don't hesitate to throw away the clumsy parts and rebuild them.
SystemD violates every single tenet of Unix system design, for no benefit.
Instead of doing one thing start a system like System V init, SystemD takes the kitchen sink approach and does many things badly.
instead of using interoperable text streams for output log and debugging the use a binary format.
They now can't throw out all of there brokenness like rule 3 says because they didn't fallow the other rules, because sytemD is also cron and also a volume manager, network manager, handles disc encryption, handles power management... throwing it out means instead of having to replace/fix one small broken util they have to redo everything.
Then there is the developer community from SystemD that blames all there bugs of others or just tell people to get over it. It has gotten so bad the Linus Torvalds has had to ban code from Pottering the head Dev of SystemD because it keeps breaking shit. There is nothing good coming of SystemD.
Closed source isnt even the bar anymore. GPL lunatics crib about CDDL and a whole host of other licenses. I'd rather have closed source that works than open half-bake.
systemd is breaking UNIX tradition - which is things may suck, but they suck simply. Now its a horrible mess. We now have (1) scripts, (2) openrc, (3) upstart and (4) systemd. What a sick joke.
And the best thing I've seen so far to replace startup scripts is Sun's SMF... NIH alert! We couldnt have copied that - something that actually worked - no we need to have yet another method of starting things.
Worse thing is eth0 is now en0p1FuK0001, drivers are modprobbed in random order, stuff gets renamed and moved around, and NetworkMangler aka NetworkManager is shoved down our throats.
Its horrible. And its very desktop-ish.
What do you expect from a guy whose magnum opus was a sound framework for linux. Yeah, thats the guy you want re-writing how everything starts and stops. Dont copy the guys who invented NFS or ZFS or stuff like that, copy the junk the sound guy comes up with.
Not just the sound guy, the sound guy that wrote the broken sound framework. Pulseadio is a horrible horrible system. I have taken to just purging it and using alsa and I then have audio system that doesn’t shit itself and become a zombie process when I unplug my headphones or try to run a program in w.i.n.e.. As for his other endevors network manager, has had major issues on several network cards have used so I ususaly scrap it and use wicd. From what I have seen SystemD does not look like anything I want on my systems either so when the time comes I will be considering my alternitives.It may just be the motivation I need to try out openBSD on my server, my desktop though I may go so far as to try out something like Gentoo or slackware.
I'm confused by the text you quoted as coming from a parent comment. I cannot find that text in the parent comment, and AFAICS comments are not editable once posted, so that means it was never there. Where did you find this:
> Which means this is nothing but a hunter subsidy. Like whaling for Japan where their excuse is "whales eat all the fish".
And about the subsidy, juts for the record, since the text is there and I cannot find the quoted comment to reply to:
The articles says the compensation is just enough for disposal of the dead animals, it isn't even a compensation for missed earnings had they sold the meat. And I can tell you selling that meat would not a problem, people like buying wild animal meat. So the statement makes no sense at all, except to show that ideology often blinds ones reasoning abilities.
are you showing all comments? rated -1 even? because I hit quote parent button. I browse at all comments shown and it shows up for me.
Target practice.
Do you shoot at cars that go by your house too? How about planes that fly over? What happens when it falls and hits someone from 5-600 feet up carrying a 50 pound payload you going to pay the hospital bills after you shoot it out of the air?
if a somebody's drone was trespassing on my property I would blast it out of the sky.
Actually you don't own the airspace over your property.
"The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States. The act defines navigable airspace as "airspace above the minimum altitudes of flightincluding airspace needed to ensure the safety in the takeoff and landing of aircraft."
-wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights)
In fact the United States Supreme Court in UNITED STATES v. CAUSBY ruled that air space is a public highway, as such you would be shooting a vehicle on a public highway.
(http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/328/256)
And shooting at aircraft including drones is already illeagle and will result in you getting sent to jail for about 20 years.
(18 U.S. Code 32 - Destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities)
So if you want to spend decades behind bars please by all mean shoot one.
Target practice.
Do you shoot at cars that go by your house too? How about planes that fly over? What happens when it falls and hits someone from 5-600 feet up carrying a 50 pound payload you going to pay the hospital bills after you shoot it out of the air?
Which means this is nothing but a hunter subsidy. Like whaling for Japan where their excuse is "whales eat all the fish".
which is really odd when it comes to baleen whales which feed on kill on zooplacton.
Yea, just like our electricity, oh wait. I mean like telephone service, no. Television, that's it, oops. Can't say water or sewer either, I live out of town and have a well, septic, and private trash pickup.
highway system and postal service.
Good luck with that to hold successful revolution would need a significant portion of the citizenry to join you, one guy with a gun is a is target practice.
this would be a disaster for America, and CONcast.
Why is it no surprise we are suppose to live in a "free country", " free market" and yet our politicians are pretty much hand puppets just shove your money up their ass and make them dance. And people keep voting for this baboons, and allowing industries and corporations to pretty much OWN them.
I think the only hope we have right now is if enough yuppies get together and actually do something Gaagle has failed at, create another ISP service that is free, open, fast, and cheap.
By "Gaagle" do you mean Google if so what do you mean they have failed they are still expanding and delivering g.b.p.s. internet speeds and prices from other providers they are competing with have dropped where google has gone in and their speeds have gone up to match.
You pay a private company for water? Where is this Randian paradise in which you live?
We pay a privet co-op for water out where I live south west Washington. Co-op shares can be a bit spendy up front but that is a one time investment and the water bill isn't that after that, but we have been thinking of putting in a well more recently just to be more self sufficient and off of the grid.
Right.
The way Slashdot hid a -1 comment made it appear as if the post I was responding to was intended as a "the government would be worse" post, while in truth it was in response to such a post.
Thats why I always try to remember to quote the person I am responding to because people will mode you down when they read you post out of context. I wish /. would force mods to browse at -1 while they have points.
They are innocent of corruption!
because they write the legal definition of corruption to insure it does't count them
To quote Shakespeare,
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet,
but since this is politics it ain't no rose and it don't smell sweet.
No the money isn't put into the congressman personal account but the PAC is essentially a campaigning run by proxy. And instead of fiduciary reward other less formal forms of graft are used like their failure of a kid managing to make into a ivy league school, after a suitable donation is given to the university by a company wanting bill passed, high-speed internet may be installed in a senators home neighborhood, he may get high 6 figure sallery job no effort job lined up after his term is ended. Oh and don't forget insider trading is LEGAL for senators and congressman so a insider stock tip to them can make then rich with no repercussions.
So If I spent roughly 10-20 hours a week playing Planetside2 (MMOFPS) for the past year and a half, which was free, I'm not a gamer? No purchase involved. There are many free to play titles (wasn't Farmville that so many mentioned free also?). I don't really play any other games outside of Planetside2, but after being in 3 large outfits (clans/guilds) of several hundred active members at any time, I can tell you male to female ratio is about 50:1 if not more. The whole female gamer thing still seems like a myth.
Its no entirely a myth I know one gamer thats female, she mostly plays single player rpg's like Baldurs Gate and freemium FPS's like Team Fortress.
They seemed to have drunk/alcohol myth to test about once a season.
An AUP governs the use of campus equipment and services.
I clicked the link and read the article, and there's gasping outrage about how they're "limiting free speech" by telling students they *also* can't use the campus computer systems for things like political messaging, meetings, rallies, or anything else - in other words, no, you can't spam the student body.
And for those of you who think that it's not right that they'd limit that sort of usage, think long and hard about this:
- Campus Christian Ministry decides to start spamming the entire campus with pro-life messages.
- Young Republicans club start spamming the entire campus with messages calling for the impeachment of Pres. Obama.
- ROTC program starts spamming the entire campus with messages encouraging students to sign up for military service.
Where's your unfettered free speech now?
Yeah how dare those conservatives exercise their rights to free speech its not like you can mark them as spam and never hear anything they say again. Hell lets take this a step further lets just curtail all political speech on a public campus, In-fact lets set aside an area where they can say what they think where no one else was to hear it we can call it a free speech zone...
A good question is who is paying to watch a cam? Especially when the pirate bay has rips and screener copies of most modern movies all for free.
I bet u he left @ micro$oft !
What will he throw @ the basketball players?
he is past throwing chairs he is on to bigger and better things like throwing bleachers...