If TLC sold 10 million albums and only got $250,000 per person then TLC is to blame. The music industry is just like any other business, you negotiate your best deal and live with it.
Sure it may not be ethical, but the goal for any company is to make money, they will take advantage of you if you let them. That goes for any industry, not just the music biz.
I'm glad to hear this. It's a shame that RMS is such an off the wall type of person. I think he would get a lot more respect if he coud "play the game" a little better. But then again... maybe it that *bizzare* gene that drives people like RMS to greatness.
Sometimes I feel like a leech, I use all this opensource stuff and don't really give anything back. Sure I've plunked down money for the last couple versions of RedHat, but most of that went to the retailer.
Anyways...I see people like RMS who donate some great stuf that I use daily (emacs, gcc) and even though I don't like everything he says, I am gratefull.
I'm wondering how we are going to make the switch from IPv4 to IPv6. It seem like it could be a real nightmare, lots of people mucking around in old code to try to get it up to the new standards. Lots of Web/Internet stuff blowing up. I also wonder how many people are writing their code today to work with both(as they should), or are they still sticking to just code for IPv4.
I know that Linux / Unix has IPv6 support in the BSD4.x socket stuff but I'm wondering if the boys from Redmond have it together with the whole winsock mess.
Hmmm...how can we bilk the general public out of their hard earned greenbacks with an IPv6 scare.:)
I just did a fresh install of RedHat V6.0 last night and I had the same impression. My throughput with netscape 4.51 seems much better than it was under 5.2. I was blaming netscape the whole time, turns out it may have been the kernel.
Unfortunatly netscape still pulls it's occasional dissapearing trick on me....it's going along just fine...then poof...all gone. Ah well...bookmark often...:)
By the way, the install was toooooo easy...or maybe I'm just blessed...about a half hour from start to finish...no problems...gnome seems to work pretty well too....
I wonder why we can't settle on both KDE and GNOME as the standard Linux desktop. I kinda like the freedom of choice option. In fact, why not throw WindowMaker and Afterstep in the mix too. It seems to me that one of the major benefits that Linux has to offer over the commercial OS's is the freedom to tweak it into whatever you want it to be.
Newbies will do more playing than anything else when they first get a PC. One of the first things that newbies do under windows is to go in and associate sounds with certain events...Well...I think newbies would get a real blast out of being able to go in and play with several different desktops. The trick is to make it "stupid simple" for them to do that. I think we are well on our way.
I'm not sure why you assume that someone has suspicious motives just because they don't agree with you. Maybe listening to the MS FUD has pushed us to the brink of paranoia...He is entitled to have opinions and I repect them.
Looking at the article as whole I get the feeling that Ken is not really interested in the politics of OS's but rather things that he finds stimulating. It should be no real surprise that he wouldn't find Linux stimulating. I read an interview with Dennis Ritchie a couple months ago and he didn't bash Linux but he said that he really hadn't given it much attention. These guys are on a different plane than the rest of us. They have "been there" and they have certainly "done that"
He also talks about the things that he thought they did wrong with Unix... I'm not sure how you can feel that he comes across as being bitter, I thought he seemed pretty humble and down to earth. The guys a hacker, hackers tend to have opinions.
He also talks about getting rather harsh critcism from his peers for some of his work and how it caused him to do a rewrite and improve it.
I don't think he was trying to imply anything, I think he was simply being himself and giving his opinions. Many people in the CS industry are rather harsh when it comes to other peoples work. We tend to eat our young sometimes....
I don't think we have to agree with everything he says but we should certainly *respect* the man for his opinions.
I really think that anyone who wants to question Ken Thompson's credentials is not thinking rationally or is simply not informed. Linux is based on Unix, and Ken is an expert on Unix. Linux is not some "new evolutionary technology"
Also the man is hardly a relic, he has been doing work on Inferno etc... I think he would be considered an "expert witness" in any court of law with regards to OS's.
I do think that he was stating his *opinion* which may be right or wrong. He mentioned that he had looked at some of the code so he wasn't just spouting off. I think the Linux community should take this to mean that the OS needs to mature a bit, we are not there just yet.
This should come as no surprise. Microsoft is in the business of *SELLING* software. Nothing else. I would be surprised if MS is the only company who is not being up-front about Y2K issues. It's kind of a sad statement about the way we do business. We are driven by growth and P/E ratios instead of honosty and decency.
The real sad thing is that there is no threat that EDS will tell MS to shove it and take their order for 100,000 desktop OS's elsewhere. MS is holding them hostage. I really can't wait for someone (Linux or whoever) to come in and provide a viable alternative.
My original reaction was that he was cranking up his own FUD machine. I've read some other stuff from him where he has been less than kind to Linux. I guess this doesn't surprise me, Linux is in direct compettion with SCO and I'm guessing that they are feeling a little heat.
I'm running Solars X86 on one of my PC's and as a result of that I belong to a Solaris mailing list. One of the guys on the list works for Sun and he has the same attitude towards Linux as Doug Michels. I think it's a natural reaction. Linux gets a TON of free press, most of it good, and the press can't get enough if it. Meanwhile these old-time Unix guys are watching this and doing a slow burn.
I think that it might benefit these Unix guys to try to capitalize on the popularity of Linux and show themselves in a positive way(thus promoting Unix), instead of coming across as angry and spitefull.
I agree with you completely. I like RedHat, I think they out out a quality package.
I thought it was amusing that they called Bob Young the "consumate huckster"....sheesh..why not give the guy a little respect, he has landed some major companies on his side. Why is it so easy for the "media" (I'm not really sure ZD qualifies as media:) to give these little jabs at people in the Linux community.
The description they give of the offices remind me of a story about Sierra when they started out. They were very laid back and informal in the beginnig, then things slowly became more corporate. Growth has a way of changing that. We shall see.
I like KDE...but I'm willing to try Gnome, so I don't think that battle is over for me. I've been waiting for Gnome because I've read about the difficulties they were having. Even their website admits that they released 1.0 a little early.
Either way it's going to be fun playing with the 2.2 kernel.
I have been using KDE 1.1 on my desktop for the past couple months and I think it is a very good product for a version 1. If the develpoment team continues to do quality work I think KDE will mature into an excellent , user friendly GUI. A GUI that any computer user will be able to pick up on with very little effort.
My problem with these Linux-on-the-desktop discussions are that the Linux community has just recently begun to make a *real* effort to compete with commercial products for the desktop. The goal of the Linux development team was to make an OS that WORKS, the GUI's and ease-of-install has to come next. I wouldn't expect any Linux distribution to be as easy to use as a Mac or a Windows workstation, or as easy to install. Linux needs a little time to mature. Articles like this lead me to believe that it won't be very long. Lets have a little patience and not get carried away with all the media hype.
Katz misses the point, I think.
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I was a little confused about what his point was. Is he talking about people who are using the web for business purposes, in which case it makes perfect sense to try to be as efficient as possible. Or is he talking about people who are using the web for social forums. In my mind there is a large differnece between the two. Either way I like the freedom of choice, even if I choose not to excersise it. Freedom is a double edged sword, the things that make it great also make it dangerous.
If anyone thinks that Linux has driver problems they should have a look at Solaris X86. I'm running Solaris along with Linux and I can tell you that driver support sucks for Solaris. Now... if I could just get a decent driver for my hp deskjet....
I agree that they are a more than a little concerned. It sure seems that they have turned the FUD machine up a little over the past couple months.
My only fear is that all of this Linux publicity is happening too soon. I would hate to see linux the Linux community feel like we *have* to do things to *compete* with MS. We should just keep going our own way and doing things because they are the right thing to do, not because of something that MS is doing.
I will have to say that I think ie4 is the best browser I have used and I have never had a problem with the MS Office products. When people bash MS it usually isn't for the entire product line, it's for the OS and their business practices.
I don't see how you can state that office2000 and win2000 and ie5 are "of exceptional quality" when they are far too new and untested by the masses. Win2000 doesn't even exist in commercial form, just beta.
They claim that they contacted RedHat for help with configuring the kernel and RedHat wouldn't help. Makes me wonder... They also said they posted in various news groups and didn't receive any help. This goes against all of my experiences with the the newsgroups. This really smells of FUD... You have to give the boys from Redmond credit, they are very good at promoting their products and FUD.
ya know...me thinks some of you doth protest too much... It seems like some "geeks" go out of their way to prove that they are not geeks. Read the book Takedown if you want to see what I mean:)
This article doesn't really define what they consider a hacker, so I'm not sure why anyone would take this personal. I don't think that soemone is a hacker just becaue they major in computer science.
I'm a geek / hacker wannabe... so I'm not sure where I fit in, but I can tell you that I'm anti-social and I dont' see anything wrong with it!
So you can all just F*** right off:)
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I believe that Mitnick pleaded guilty to some cel-phone fraud charges and that he has been serving time for that. There has been a lot of false information loating around from all sides on this one
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If TLC sold 10 million albums and only got $250,000 per person then TLC is to blame. The music industry is just like any other business, you negotiate your best deal and live with it.
Sure it may not be ethical, but the goal for any company is to make money, they will take advantage of you if you let them. That goes for any industry, not just the music biz.
I'm glad to hear this. It's a shame that RMS is such an off the wall type of person. I think he would get a lot more respect if he coud "play the game" a little better. But then again... maybe it that *bizzare* gene that drives people like RMS to greatness.
Sometimes I feel like a leech, I use all this opensource stuff and don't really give anything back. Sure I've plunked down money for the last couple versions of RedHat, but most of that went to the retailer.
Anyways...I see people like RMS who donate some great stuf that I use daily (emacs, gcc) and even though I don't like everything he says, I am gratefull.
Why do you say that. It's my understanding that you can take code that runs on X86 and compile it on a Sparc and it should run with no problems.
I'm wondering how we are going to make the switch from IPv4 to IPv6. It seem like it could be a real nightmare, lots of people mucking around in old code to try to get it up to the new standards. Lots of Web/Internet stuff blowing up. I also wonder how many people are writing their code today to work with both(as they should), or are they still sticking to just code for IPv4.
I know that Linux / Unix has IPv6 support in the BSD4.x socket stuff but I'm wondering if the boys from Redmond have it together with the whole winsock mess.
Hmmm...how can we bilk the general public out of their hard earned greenbacks with an IPv6 scare.:)
Are you IPv6 comliant?
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...gnome seems to work pretty well too....
I just did a fresh install of RedHat V6.0 last night and I had the same impression. My throughput with netscape 4.51 seems much better than it was under 5.2. I was blaming netscape the whole time, turns out it may have been the kernel.
Unfortunatly netscape still pulls it's occasional dissapearing trick on me....it's going along just fine...then poof...all gone. Ah well...bookmark often...:)
By the way, the install was toooooo easy...or maybe I'm just blessed...about a half hour from start to finish...no problems
Ah the debate goes on.
I wonder why we can't settle on both KDE and GNOME as the standard Linux desktop. I kinda like the freedom of choice option. In fact, why not throw WindowMaker and Afterstep in the mix too. It seems to me that one of the major benefits that Linux has to offer over the commercial OS's is the freedom to tweak it into whatever you want it to be.
Newbies will do more playing than anything else when they first get a PC. One of the first things that newbies do under windows is to go in and associate sounds with certain events...Well...I think newbies would get a real blast out of being able to go in and play with several different desktops. The trick is to make it "stupid simple" for them to do that. I think we are well on our way.
Viva la choice....
I'm not sure why you assume that someone has suspicious motives just because they don't agree with you. Maybe listening to the MS FUD has pushed us to the brink of paranoia...He is entitled to have opinions and I repect them.
Looking at the article as whole I get the feeling that Ken is not really interested in the politics of OS's but rather things that he finds stimulating. It should be no real surprise that he wouldn't find Linux stimulating. I read an interview with Dennis Ritchie a couple months ago and he didn't bash Linux but he said that he really hadn't given it much attention. These guys are on a different plane than the rest of us. They have "been there" and they have certainly "done that"
He also talks about the things that he thought they did wrong with Unix... I'm not sure how you can feel that he comes across as being bitter, I thought he seemed pretty humble and down to earth. The guys a hacker, hackers tend to have opinions.
He also talks about getting rather harsh critcism from his peers for some of his work and how it caused him to do a rewrite and improve it.
I don't think he was trying to imply anything, I think he was simply being himself and giving his opinions. Many people in the CS industry are rather harsh when it comes to other peoples work. We tend to eat our young sometimes....
I don't think we have to agree with everything he says but we should certainly *respect* the man for his opinions.
I really think that anyone who wants to question Ken Thompson's credentials is not thinking rationally or is simply not informed. Linux is based on Unix, and Ken is an expert on Unix. Linux is not some "new evolutionary technology"
Also the man is hardly a relic, he has been doing work on Inferno etc... I think he would be considered an "expert witness" in any court of law with regards to OS's.
I do think that he was stating his *opinion* which may be right or wrong. He mentioned that he had looked at some of the code so he wasn't just spouting off. I think the Linux community should take this to mean that the OS needs to mature a bit, we are not there just yet.
Lets try to be sane here...
This should come as no surprise. Microsoft is in the business of *SELLING* software. Nothing else. I would be surprised if MS is the only company who is not being up-front about Y2K issues. It's kind of a sad statement about the way we do business. We are driven by growth and P/E ratios instead of honosty and decency.
The real sad thing is that there is no threat that EDS will tell MS to shove it and take their order for 100,000 desktop OS's elsewhere. MS is holding them hostage. I really can't wait for someone (Linux or whoever) to come in and provide a viable alternative.
My original reaction was that he was cranking up his own FUD machine. I've read some other stuff from him where he has been less than kind to Linux. I guess this doesn't surprise me, Linux is in direct compettion with SCO and I'm guessing that they are feeling a little heat.
I'm running Solars X86 on one of my PC's and as a result of that I belong to a Solaris mailing list. One of the guys on the list works for Sun and he has the same attitude towards Linux as Doug Michels. I think it's a natural reaction. Linux gets a TON of free press, most of it good, and the press can't get enough if it. Meanwhile these old-time Unix guys are watching this and doing a slow burn.
I think that it might benefit these Unix guys to try to capitalize on the popularity of Linux and show themselves in a positive way(thus promoting Unix), instead of coming across as angry and spitefull.
I agree with you completely. I like RedHat, I think they out out a quality package.
:) to give these little jabs at people in the Linux community.
I thought it was amusing that they called Bob Young the "consumate huckster"....sheesh..why not give the guy a little respect, he has landed some major companies on his side. Why is it so easy for the "media" (I'm not really sure ZD qualifies as media
The description they give of the offices remind me of a story about Sierra when they started out. They were very laid back and informal in the beginnig, then things slowly became more corporate. Growth has a way of changing that. We shall see.
I like KDE...but I'm willing to try Gnome, so I don't think that battle is over for me. I've been waiting for Gnome because I've read about the difficulties they were having. Even their website admits that they released 1.0 a little early.
Either way it's going to be fun playing with the 2.2 kernel.
I have been using KDE 1.1 on my desktop for the past couple months and I think it is a very good product for a version 1. If the develpoment team continues to do quality work I think KDE will mature into an excellent , user friendly GUI. A GUI that any computer user will be able to pick up on with very little effort.
My problem with these Linux-on-the-desktop discussions are that the Linux community has just recently begun to make a *real* effort to compete with commercial products for the desktop. The goal of the Linux development team was to make an OS that WORKS, the GUI's and ease-of-install has to come next. I wouldn't expect any Linux distribution to be as easy to use as a Mac or a Windows workstation, or as easy to install. Linux needs a little time to mature. Articles like this lead me to believe that it won't be very long. Lets have a little patience and not get carried away with all the media hype.
I was a little confused about what his point was. Is he talking about people who are using the web for business purposes, in which case it makes perfect sense to try to be as efficient as possible. Or is he talking about people who are using the web for social forums. In my mind there is a large differnece between the two. Either way I like the freedom of choice, even if I choose not to excersise it. Freedom is a double edged sword, the things that make it great also make it dangerous.
FUD - It's not just for breakfast anymore.
If anyone thinks that Linux has driver problems they should have a look at Solaris X86. I'm running Solaris along with Linux and I can tell you that driver support sucks for Solaris. Now... if I could just get a decent driver for my hp deskjet....
FUD - it's not just for breakfast anymore
I agree that they are a more than a little concerned. It sure seems that they have turned the FUD machine up a little over the past couple months.
My only fear is that all of this Linux publicity is happening too soon. I would hate to see linux the Linux community feel like we *have* to do things to *compete* with MS. We should just keep going our own way and doing things because they are the right thing to do, not because of something that MS is doing.
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I will have to say that I think ie4 is the best browser I have used and I have never had a problem with the MS Office products. When people bash MS it usually isn't for the entire product line, it's for the OS and their business practices.
I don't see how you can state that office2000 and win2000 and ie5 are "of exceptional quality" when they are far too new and untested by the masses. Win2000 doesn't even exist in commercial form, just beta.
They claim that they contacted RedHat for help with configuring the kernel and RedHat wouldn't help. Makes me wonder... They also said they posted in various news groups and didn't receive any help. This goes against all of my experiences with the the newsgroups. This really smells of FUD... You have to give the boys from Redmond credit, they are very good at promoting their products and FUD.
ya know...me thinks some of you doth protest too much... It seems like some "geeks" go out of their way to prove that they are not geeks. Read the book Takedown if you want to see what I mean :)
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This article doesn't really define what they consider a hacker, so I'm not sure why anyone would take this personal. I don't think that soemone is a hacker just becaue they major in computer science.
I'm a geek / hacker wannabe... so I'm not sure where I fit in, but I can tell you that I'm anti-social and I dont' see anything wrong with it!
So you can all just F*** right off
yeah... I've been caught in the middle of trying to decide on a language to hitch my wagon to (besides C of course)...Perl ...Python ...Tcl ...C++ ...Java...hmmmm...This might boost java up to the front...
I believe that Mitnick pleaded guilty to some cel-phone fraud charges and that he has been serving time for that. There has been a lot of false information loating around from all sides on this one