...is that you simply will *not* ever see funky music played right.
You may, however, (and many others may, too, in the right moment, with the right sort of all-too-infrequent awareness) *hear* funky music being played "right", as you put it, or, rather as I would put it, "correctly".
"It's really the coolest mouse in the world." one source said, "It's not just another wireless, optical mouse. It's done by Apple, so it's impressive."
Now, they wanted proof that the credit card details I sent them really belonged to me, in the form of a photo of me and a photo of my credit card (actual size I suppose).
I wouldn't go for that in a heartbeat.
A photo of you and a photo of your credit card could be turned into a false ID and a fake credit card in moments.
I don't find "post" [ok: there's a reference to "post office"] or "POST" or "post method" or "POST METHOD" or "method=post" or "METHOD=POST" anywhere in the damn patent app.
What's going on here?
Did some dumb-ass lawyer buy into suing somebody because somebody else said the POST method was covered by this patent?
Duh!
These days, you can get a dumb-ass lawyer to sue anyone for anything!
[ps: to any dumb-ass lawyers reading this: don't bother suing me, my ex-wife got it all.]
Actually, very much this same idea just came up two days ago when (bear with me, here...) someone cut in the line of cars waiting for a Washington State ferry.
I reminded the Seattle police officer at the headend of the ferry dock, after he had thrown the cutter out of line, that there was a $50.00 fine for cutting in ferry lines.
He said he knew that, but as the cutter had not received formal notification of the law, the law would not be upheld in court if the cutter was cited and challenged the ticket, so the officer wouldn't even bother writing him up!
Apparently, ignorance of the law (some of 'em, anyway...) is an excuse.
I don't know if this is only a Washington State deal, or what.
The Seattle police officer sounded as though this general concept is why so god damn many criminals get off the hook so easily..
Led to an unmanned US Naval transmitter at an airfield in south Florida.
A windowless, locked building, behind a fence.
A phone line in; airwaves out.
The station does US Navy transmissions during the day, and then at night switches over to being a Numbers Station...
Another interesting item: many of these numbers stations seem to be the same operator for years and years. The narrator of this "Lost and Found Sounds" segment said that he'd been listening to one station, one woman, since the '70s when he was thirteen.
...at work Friday and was transfixed; it's part of NPR's "Lost and Found Sounds" series, and this show, like the series generally, was fabulous.
You owe it to yourself to listen to it: www.npr.org, drop down "Choose a program" and select "All Things Considered" and then "Latest Show" - which this still is, given that ATC is only on on weekdays.
I just listened to it again (one of the *crappiest* RealAudio streams I've come across lately, BTW, but then it was 20 (!) hops out...) and it's pretty cool.
Pretty eerie stuff..
The best one is the "Buzzer" - been up for over twenty years on the same frequency, apparently, and only run one number series *once* in that time - as far as anyone knows...
Kids seem to get off on putting up a web page, mainly because it gets really visual *really* easily, and it does teach at least attention to correct syntax.
After that, I did a BASIC class for forth-graders for a year as a volunteer at a local school and the kids really dug it.
It is BASIC, of course, with all that means, but we wrote some stuff that manipulated the screen, and did some simple games, and it was pretty fun...
...but, sh*t, that was years ago on boxes that were DOS 6.2 and WinFWG; there isn't a BASIC that's on these new Win95/Win98 boxes that I'm aware of..
There's a lot I don't understand about the DOJ's pursuit of Microsoft.
I daresay, with all due respect, that there's a lot you don't understand about the evolution of PC operating systems and applications that has occured here in the United States, and then by extension the rest of the world, in the last fifteen years.
Microsoft, simply put, is, and has, a monopoly in PC operating systems, and pretty much any part of the applications realm it chooses to absorb.
For the vast majority of people, there is no alternative whatsoever.
For the vast majority of people, to remove every single Microsoft-written file of any kind from their computers would render the computer utterly useless.
It wouldn't even boot, for most people. If that doesn't represent the power of a monopoly, I don't know what does.
This is tantamount to saying (using a American-biased analogy) that if you are going to drive a vehicle, it *must* be manufactured by General Motors. You have no other practical choice.
The history of IBM, OS2, and Microsoft; or the history of Microsoft and DR-DOS I leave to you to research and develop an opinion about...
Microsoft cannot be penalised for the failure of the competition to bring out an acceptable product.
That's the point: Microsoft has very effectively prevented any competion.
It is just that their knowledge of the Desk top Environment far exceeds that of any other company.
Because Microsoft has always held all the cards: they produce the development tools and create the API's; they create the operating systems; they create and/or absorb the applications markets that they choose to..
I did not know that there were laws to restrict intellectual muscle too.
This has frequently been the worst sort of thinking in defense of Microsoft: "They're really good at what they do; let's let them do what ever they want!"
User applications (which is where IE is - sorry M$: it's not part of the OS!)
Development tools
I haven't waded through all the posts here, but breaking-out M$ development tools (languages, etc etc..) seems mandatory -- and it doesn't seem to get much discussion.
This is the core of the real problem with M$ that hasn't been addressed at all AFAIK in the court case: the incestuous relationship between M$ operating system and applications developers is aided and abetted by the fact that M$ also has a massive development tools division.
Any discussion of splitting up M$ *must* include breaking out the development tools and keeping them at arm's length from both the operating systems people, and the applications people.
The "news" in "news for nerds: stuff that really matters" is topics of interest to a very specific group of people who started/. in the first place.
Your (conventional) use of the word "news" is not quite what may be going on here..
Here, "news" is more likely to mean "Wow! I hadn't heard that before" or "That's really cool" -- not quite the sort of meaning that is given to the word by those putting out the biased pablum that comes out of CNN/API/BBC et al.
Here, you're gonna get a definite bias, and here you're gonna get to support or attack any issues as you will.
And "trust"? What's trust got to do with it? Do you "trust" your sources of conventional news?
Personally, I "trust" the people here at/. a helluva lot more...
So/. "news" is not quite what you get with your average "news" -- but then/. is not average.
In analyzing andover.net's lawyer's response to M$'s lawyers, it's really important to understand that this has moved off into the Lawyerly Realm® and that things are now being said and done in the Lawyerly Way®.
In other words, you and I aren't really gonna get it...
But, YAQA:
1. How can Microsoft claim proprietary <snip>
A slap in the face. "You guys are a bunch of thieves anyway, we'll just bring that fact up again..
2. How can Microsoft use the Kerberos name <snip>
A slap in the face. "You guys are
still a bunch of thieves, we'll just bring that fact up again..
3. How can Microsoft claim trade secrecy <snip>
Why did you guys put this precious information out in a place where, by definition, everybody and their uncle can see it?
HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
4. What measures has Microsoft taken to protect <snip>
If this stuff is so precious, why did you limit your protection of it to something as bogus as a click-through EULA?
HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
5. What measures has Microsoft taken to ensure <snip>
What did you
really do to prevent this from falling into the hands of every 14 year-old h4ck3r d00d on the planet? HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
6. How could posting of the Microsoft Kerberos specification <snip>
What are you guys afraid of?
HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
7. Why wouldn't prospective purchasers of Windows 2000 <snip>
What are you guys afraid of?
HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
8. Why shouldn't Slashdot users and the general public <snip>
"Attorney-client-privelege" in this context (or any context..) means that what is said in private conversation between an attorney and a client stays private.
So you can discuss "..where were you on the night in question.." and stuff like that.
When any specifics of a conversation between attorney and client becomes part of the public record, (ie: posted on/.) then not only has that specific thought become public, but it's possible to then demand to know what discussion lead up to that specific statement, and demand to know where the conversation went from that point...
"So you were talking about where your client was on the night in question. What did you talk about next?"
Note: IANAL, I just spent the night in a Holiday Inn...
From a press release at: http://www.messagingdirect.com/press/chooseyourmai l.html
"Included in the Execmail Web application is direct access to ChooseYourMail.com, a privacy sensitive, anti-spam company that delivers money saving offers via email to consumers. Unlike other email marketers, ChooseYourMail.com delivers their offers without collecting any personal information or revealing customers email addresses to anyone."
"In our program, the user is in complete control," said Oxman. "They say what offers they want, they say how often they want them and when they want them delivered. If you want to find Internet bargains without mortgaging your privacy or exposing yourself to spam then ChooseYourMail is the program for you."
"Founded in 1998 as responsible marketing alternative to "spam," ChooseYourMail.com is an ethical, private, "opt-in" e-mail marketing company that acts as a private sector infomediary between e-mail marketers, netizens and ISPs. ChooseYourMail.com also works with public interest groups and legislators at the state and national levels to craft and promote sound, effective, "anti-spam" legislation. As part of their anti-spam efforts, ChooseYourMail.com is a founding member of the Spam Recycling Center consumer assistance website at http://www.spamrecycle.com."
So, the parent company is in the spam business, it's just spam you've asked for!
t_t_b
(Hey! how come <pre> and </pre> aren't allowed tags?) --
Snide remarks about conspiracy-theory paranoia aside, (I'm not paranoid: I know they're out to get me.) I am still convinced there's no good reason to see this as anything but a setup from the start.
Post the M$ Kerberos implementation spec so M$ will appear conciliatory
Post it in such a way that everyone has to agree to a highly-restrictive EULA, or hack around it
Nail to the wall any open-source activist site that, by it's very nature:
is bound to disagree with the original M$ prostitution of Kerberos;
the sham way in which the spec for the implementation was posted;
and quickly post not only the content of the spec, in violation of the EULA, but for good measure post ways to hack around the EULA!
It was a setup right from the start, although I feel no particular shame for/. or its citizens that we fell for the trap.
Remember the Nixon administration, and "Dirty Tricks"?
Same kind of people at M$; same mentality:
M$ has shown itself to be absolutely unprincipled in all its practices; those people are True Believers® for whom any means justify the One True End®
Don't trust 'em for a second, and screw 'em, sez I...
I was just over at the news.com article about the DDoS at/. and, as that article actually covered more about the M$/Kerberos/EULA deal, a thought occured to me [that's probably been brought up before, but what-the-hey...]:
The whole way in which M$ posted the Kerberos specification, with the embedded EULA, was a setup right from the get-go that we -- of course;-) -- fell for hook-line-and-sinker.
Their lawyer-whores said: "Hey! Let's set up a *real* trojan horse for those/.-hippies and nail their asses! We can design this whole disclosure so it'll work as a righteous open-source-geek-trap and when they fall for it -- which they *will* -- we've got/. and andover.net all in one swoop!"
So what they were doing had nothing to do with disclosure or openess or any of that touchy-feely bullshit!
It was a trap, right from the start!
Whoa! Acute conspiracy theory poisoning! My head hurts! Induce mental vomitting!
...I got an unsolicited "opportunity" to renew my domain name with NSI back last December.
The news.com article states:
Domain name holders who registered their names under older contracts become bound to the new conditions automatically when they renew their names with NSI for another one-year term.
NSI's contract change took place in November.
So, I guess the idea is to move my registration elsewhere (probably register.com), which I'd been planning to do all along...
Slashdot Mirror
Grammar!
What a concept!
t_t_b
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You may, however, (and many others may, too, in the right moment, with the right sort of all-too-infrequent awareness) *hear* funky music being played "right", as you put it, or, rather as I would put it, "correctly".
See?
t_t_b
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Oh.
You mean they act just like every editorial page on every major-market American newspaper?
t_t_b
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Ah.
Just as I thought...
t_t_b
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What the heck was the *problem* this mouse is supposed to solve?
Just because it's new, it's good?
Or is this just another "insanely cool" kinda thing that Apple seems to fall in love with from time-to-time?
t_t_b
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- Now, they wanted proof that the credit card details I sent them really belonged to me, in the form of a photo of me and a photo of my credit card (actual size I suppose).
I wouldn't go for that in a heartbeat.A photo of you and a photo of your credit card could be turned into a false ID and a fake credit card in moments.
Don't even think about it!
t_t_b
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What's going on here?
Did some dumb-ass lawyer buy into suing somebody because somebody else said the POST method was covered by this patent?
Duh!
These days, you can get a dumb-ass lawyer to sue anyone for anything!
[ps: to any dumb-ass lawyers reading this: don't bother suing me, my ex-wife got it all.]
So what the hell *is* going on, here?
t_t_b
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I reminded the Seattle police officer at the headend of the ferry dock, after he had thrown the cutter out of line, that there was a $50.00 fine for cutting in ferry lines.
He said he knew that, but as the cutter had not received formal notification of the law, the law would not be upheld in court if the cutter was cited and challenged the ticket, so the officer wouldn't even bother writing him up!
Apparently, ignorance of the law (some of 'em, anyway...) is an excuse.
I don't know if this is only a Washington State deal, or what.
The Seattle police officer sounded as though this general concept is why so god damn many criminals get off the hook so easily..
His personal perspective, I'm sure...
t_t_b
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Well, *I'm* running down to the Patent Office [damn: it's a holiday, today...] and get the patent for *windows*
Bwahaahahahaa..
You shall *all* bow before me!
t_t_b
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Led to an unmanned US Naval transmitter at an airfield in south Florida.
A windowless, locked building, behind a fence.
A phone line in; airwaves out.
The station does US Navy transmissions during the day, and then at night switches over to being a Numbers Station...
Another interesting item: many of these numbers stations seem to be the same operator for years and years. The narrator of this "Lost and Found Sounds" segment said that he'd been listening to one station, one woman, since the '70s when he was thirteen.
She's still on the air...
t_t_b
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You owe it to yourself to listen to it: www.npr.org, drop down "Choose a program" and select "All Things Considered" and then "Latest Show" - which this still is, given that ATC is only on on weekdays.
I just listened to it again (one of the *crappiest* RealAudio streams I've come across lately, BTW, but then it was 20 (!) hops out...) and it's pretty cool.
Pretty eerie stuff..
The best one is the "Buzzer" - been up for over twenty years on the same frequency, apparently, and only run one number series *once* in that time - as far as anyone knows...
Creepy..
t_t_b
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But...
Developing countries need help everywhere/anywhere.
If we wait until starvation is eliminated before doing anything else, a lot of good work will go undone...
t_t_b
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Kids seem to get off on putting up a web page, mainly because it gets really visual *really* easily, and it does teach at least attention to correct syntax.
After that, I did a BASIC class for forth-graders for a year as a volunteer at a local school and the kids really dug it.
It is BASIC, of course, with all that means, but we wrote some stuff that manipulated the screen, and did some simple games, and it was pretty fun...
t_t_b
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I daresay, with all due respect, that there's a lot you don't understand about the evolution of PC operating systems and applications that has occured here in the United States, and then by extension the rest of the world, in the last fifteen years.
Microsoft, simply put, is, and has, a monopoly in PC operating systems, and pretty much any part of the applications realm it chooses to absorb.
For the vast majority of people, there is no alternative whatsoever.
For the vast majority of people, to remove every single Microsoft-written file of any kind from their computers would render the computer utterly useless.
It wouldn't even boot, for most people. If that doesn't represent the power of a monopoly, I don't know what does.
This is tantamount to saying (using a American-biased analogy) that if you are going to drive a vehicle, it *must* be manufactured by General Motors. You have no other practical choice.
The history of IBM, OS2, and Microsoft; or the history of Microsoft and DR-DOS I leave to you to research and develop an opinion about...
Microsoft cannot be penalised for the failure of the competition to bring out an acceptable product.
That's the point: Microsoft has very effectively prevented any competion.
It is just that their knowledge of the Desk top Environment far exceeds that of any other company.
Because Microsoft has always held all the cards: they produce the development tools and create the API's; they create the operating systems; they create and/or absorb the applications markets that they choose to..
I did not know that there were laws to restrict intellectual muscle too.
This has frequently been the worst sort of thinking in defense of Microsoft: "They're really good at what they do; let's let them do what ever they want!"
A non sequitur...
t_t_b
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I haven't waded through all the posts here, but breaking-out M$ development tools (languages, etc etc..) seems mandatory -- and it doesn't seem to get much discussion.
This is the core of the real problem with M$ that hasn't been addressed at all AFAIK in the court case: the incestuous relationship between M$ operating system and applications developers is aided and abetted by the fact that M$ also has a massive development tools division.
Any discussion of splitting up M$ *must* include breaking out the development tools and keeping them at arm's length from both the operating systems people, and the applications people.
t_t_b
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yeah..
The "news" in "news for nerds: stuff that really matters" is topics of interest to a very specific group of people who started /. in the first place.
Your (conventional) use of the word "news" is not quite what may be going on here..
Here, "news" is more likely to mean "Wow! I hadn't heard that before" or "That's really cool" -- not quite the sort of meaning that is given to the word by those putting out the biased pablum that comes out of CNN/API/BBC et al.
Here, you're gonna get a definite bias, and here you're gonna get to support or attack any issues as you will.
And "trust"? What's trust got to do with it? Do you "trust" your sources of conventional news?
Personally, I "trust" the people here at /. a helluva lot more...
So /. "news" is not quite what you get with your average "news" -- but then /. is not average.
t_t_b
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I would doubt it.
Remember, Micro$oft isn't responsible for anything *else* its software does, anyway.
t_t_b
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In other words, you and I aren't really gonna get it...
But, YAQA:
1. How can Microsoft claim proprietary <snip>
- A slap in the face. "You guys are a bunch of thieves anyway, we'll just bring that fact up again..
2. How can Microsoft use the Kerberos name <snip>- A slap in the face. "You guys are
- still a bunch of thieves, we'll just bring that fact up again..
3. How can Microsoft claim trade secrecy <snip>- Why did you guys put this precious information out in a place where, by definition, everybody and their uncle can see it?
4. What measures has Microsoft taken to protect <snip>HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
- If this stuff is so precious, why did you limit your protection of it to something as bogus as a click-through EULA?
5. What measures has Microsoft taken to ensure <snip>HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
- What did you
- really do to prevent this from falling into the hands of every 14 year-old h4ck3r d00d on the planet?
6. How could posting of the Microsoft Kerberos specification <snip>HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
- What are you guys afraid of?
7. Why wouldn't prospective purchasers of Windows 2000 <snip>HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
- What are you guys afraid of?
8. Why shouldn't Slashdot users and the general public <snip>HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
HEY! this wasn't a setup, was it? Guys?
t_t_b
IANAL and IWWTBO
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So you can discuss "..where were you on the night in question.." and stuff like that.
When any specifics of a conversation between attorney and client becomes part of the public record, (ie: posted on /.) then not only has that specific thought become public, but it's possible to then demand to know what discussion lead up to that specific statement, and demand to know where the conversation went from that point...
"So you were talking about where your client was on the night in question. What did you talk about next?"
Note: IANAL, I just spent the night in a Holiday Inn...
t_t_b
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"Included in the Execmail Web application is direct access to ChooseYourMail.com, a privacy sensitive, anti-spam company that delivers money saving offers via email to consumers. Unlike other email marketers, ChooseYourMail.com delivers their offers without collecting any personal information or revealing customers email addresses to anyone."
"In our program, the user is in complete control," said Oxman. "They say what offers they want, they say how often they want them and when they want them delivered. If you want to find Internet bargains without mortgaging your privacy or exposing yourself to spam then ChooseYourMail is the program for you."
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So, the parent company is in the spam business, it's just spam you've asked for!
t_t_b
(Hey! how come <pre> and </pre> aren't allowed tags?)
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- Post the M$ Kerberos implementation spec so M$ will appear conciliatory
- Post it in such a way that everyone has to agree to a highly-restrictive EULA, or hack around it
- Nail to the wall any open-source activist site that, by it's very nature:
- is bound to disagree with the original M$ prostitution of Kerberos;
- the sham way in which the spec for the implementation was posted;
- and quickly post not only the content of the spec, in violation of the EULA, but for good measure post ways to hack around the EULA!
It was a setup right from the start, although I feel no particular shame forRemember the Nixon administration, and "Dirty Tricks"?
Same kind of people at M$; same mentality:
M$ has shown itself to be absolutely unprincipled in all its practices; those people are True Believers® for whom any means justify the One True End®
Don't trust 'em for a second, and screw 'em, sez I...
t_t_b
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Insightful?
Who the hell's moderating today?
t_t_b
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The whole way in which M$ posted the Kerberos specification, with the embedded EULA, was a setup right from the get-go that we -- of course ;-) -- fell for hook-line-and-sinker.
Their lawyer-whores said: "Hey! Let's set up a *real* trojan horse for those /.-hippies and nail their asses! We can design this whole disclosure so it'll work as a righteous open-source-geek-trap and when they fall for it -- which they *will* -- we've got /. and andover.net all in one swoop!"
So what they were doing had nothing to do with disclosure or openess or any of that touchy-feely bullshit!
It was a trap, right from the start!
Whoa! Acute conspiracy theory poisoning! My head hurts! Induce mental vomitting!
t_t_b
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The news.com article states:
Domain name holders who registered their names under older contracts become bound to the new conditions automatically when they renew their names with NSI for another one-year term.
NSI's contract change took place in November.
So, I guess the idea is to move my registration elsewhere (probably register.com), which I'd been planning to do all along...
t_t_b
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