You're kidding right? Sure, Max OSX is a great OS but you're ignoring at least 10 years of history if you think Apple's ability to threaten Microsoft is not dependent on Linux. The following are important to OSX's ability to win over customers and operate:
1. SAMBA - important to allow internetworking with Windows computers. Major driving forces - Linux and BSD 2. XFree86 - Apple's implementation of X11 is based on XFree86. Driven by Linux and BSD. 3. GCC - Apple's main compiler based on the work of GNU project. Driven by Linux and BSD. 4. Safari - Based on the work of the KDE team. Drievn by Linux. 4. Security initiatives - I'm not sure what Apple's main implementations are but OpenSSH's availability is important. Driven by OpenBSD.
Apple did innovate with Quartz and some other technology on top of BSD but the fact is they are dependent on technology driven by Linux and BSD for at least the past 10 years. I give Linux more credit here because of it's industry support by companies such as IBM, HP, and Intel who will continue to drive interopability. (And Apple will benefit from that effort).
The only info I found was here, http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/download.html . The readme included in Zork I doesn't appear to give redistrubtion rights.
Agreed. There are bound to be a lot of trolls on this discussion and some inflamatory rhetoric but it is pretty simple. For the most part, when you use the source code from any open source program, you are bound by the terms of the license agreement.
By removing the advertising clause, the BSD license is compatable with the GPL but there are still obligations that must be met.
Doesn't the FSF hold the copyright to glibc? Why don't they pursue this since their code is shipped
as well. It's very difficult (if not possible)
to put together a Linux system without using
GNU tools. Isn't that why Stallman wants everyone to refer to Linux as GNU/Linux.
Actually, combining static and dynamic on the
same netgear router is possible. I did something
like reduce the range of dynamic ips and define
my server on a static ip outside of this range. That way, my laptop can remain DHCP at work and
home.
Where exactly in the release notes did you see security fixes? Kernel updates are for people who need kernel upgrades. Is there something not working on your system? If not, STFU!
I've read the release notes and there is nothing in them that compels me to upgrade. I'll probably upgrade the kernel next time RedHat creates a new kernel update which they can cooordinate with a new XFree86 update.
> tomorrow zdnet stories will be posted ad nausem
Not exactly, they'll somehow manage to mispell a few words and probably give an unsupported opinion
as well.
Mozilla is taking 23MB of memory on a Win2000 machine and this is the only page I have up. Is there something I'm doing wrong? It was taking 35MB this morning. I agree the improvements are great but it'll be hard to get people to switch considering IE footprint is about 5MB. (Yeah I'm aware MS is cheating by implementing portions of IE in the OS but it's still valid.)
You mean the photo processor charges you an extra
nickel because they are paying Microsoft. Just like sales tax, the business will pass on the cost to their customer. This is a clear example of "innovation" has a direct impact on the customer.
If the student used a header file, the work and all derivatives must be under the GPL. In that case, the student and the professor own copyright to portions of the code and neither can release under non-GPL licenses without the other's consent.
This practice seems confusing at best. If the header file is non-trivial, I don't see why the student could not rewrite their code to not use the header and retain copyright. The student's code was "forced" to be GPLed at the time that it was distrubuted with the GPL header in such a way that the studen't code could not run without the GPL code.
If the professor's intent was to retain copyright on their work and also give free distribution rights, the LGPL would be a better license. Of course, this would require dynamic linking and other requirements but may more closely match the intent.
This is the 21st century, journalistic ethics that you speak of where completely lost in the 20th century. Respectable news programs have been released by news entertainment such as NBC's Dateline. Wasn't it Dateline of 20/20 that admitted that they rigged a gas tank to explode on a GM vehicle as part of a "demonstration" of how unsafe the gas tank was? ABC's morning programs had an interview with the Pets.com sock puppet because their parent company, Disney, owned Pets.com. CNN devoted months to televising OJ Simpson's trial.
My point is that they news on TV has become a big business that exists to feed it's parent company. News that isn't good for the bottom line is unimportant.
What AOL is doing is talking out of both sides of there mouth on this issue. They do support an open system, albeit not very well, without any compensation using the TOC protocol. They have never intentionally attacked any client (read the article for more inFo) that attempts to be just that, a client.
Systems that interoperate, such as Jabber, allowing other IM systems to connect to AIM users are blocked. You can't have an open system without allow interoperation in my opinion. That's be like Linus hacking the kernel because he didn't like Wine and the fact that some Window's binaries can be executed on Linux. Once you make it open, you lose some amount of control.
Take a look at the chronology of Hanna-Barbera cartoons, http://www.hlla.com/reference/hanna-chron. , and tell me that they didn't do great cartoons for the 40s and 50s. "Touché, Pussycat" has got to be one of the funniest Tom and Jerry cartoons ever and that was in 53 or 54.
I agree that some of their later stuff especially in the late 70s sucked but I'll also admit that I watched "Blue Falcon" , "Herculoids", "Space Ghost" and even "Speedy Buggy" regularly. Scrappy Doo was the antichrist in ink but no one can be perfect.
My guess is that the joke industry has been crushed by the Internet and what to stop all the massive joke emails. So I guess forwarding, printing, or telling a joke in public is now illegal without the express written permission of the joke author.
The stupid thing is I wouldn't be suprised if the DMCA can be interpreted the same way.
Discliamer: The contents of this posting are copyrighted by me and can not be reproduced in part or in whole without express written permission. Fair use rights may apply but you will have to talk to an attorney about that.
G'day
It usually boils down to an economic not a philosphical or ethical question. If you fork a new release with proprietary extensions then every time a new release comes out, you have to merge your changes back in. Surrendering your changes and getting them integrated back in does potentially allow your competitors to catch-up but it also saves you resource/money in the long run.
You actually laid out some of the reasons for Linux versus BSD:
>OpenBSD is the most secure OS on the planet, >FreeBSD outperforms linux and has a more stable >filesystem, and NetBSD is portable beyond >belief.
You really have 3 flavors of BSD that each have merits depending on you needs. Linux has the following:
Portable beyond belief. (Just look at the fact that is runs on the S/390)
Evolving high performance functions like SMP. OpenBSD does not appear to have this on the roadmap but for most Internet servers, I would thing you would want performance and security as top priorities.
GPL license. I'm not exactly GPL's biggest advocate but for IBM this means that any code they release cannot be modified and released by competitors unless they also release it under the GPL
A very open development environment. The BSDs differ depending on their goals but there is one kernel develoment process for Linux. Everyone does not always agree with Linus's decisons but he has always advocated that people do the code and he'll evaluate it. This really makes it possible for IBM to do the S/390 port in private and later get the code rolled into the next kernel.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking any of the BSDs and don't want to start a flamewar. Also, I may be wrong about some of these points, just let me know.
Since they are hosting websites for money, there are probably 2 reasonable ways that you can fight this:
1. Check the license/terms that you sgned up under. There's probably some clauses that prevent you from posting illegal material and gives them rights to delete any such material. Unless they have specific mentions of mp3, this shoudn't apply since they were your own material. In that case, its probably a breach of contract since they removed them. With legal action or the threat of such, at least you could get your money back for the hosting. (Note: if the mp3 that you made contain music samples of copyrighted material, you may not be able to use this.)
2. Go elsewhere. Check out other hosting sites and their terms and conditions to make sure they don't have such an assinine policy of automatically deleting MP3s.
What is the future of Gnome and KDE on non-Linux desktops? It seems to me that both have strong Linux and BSD support including compiled binaries but neglect broad support for commercial UNIXes with the exception of Solaris.
I would hope that one of them overtakes CDE since I've begun using a Solaris box recently and find that CDE is way behind the times on usability features. Is IBM, HP, Compaq, and SUN proposing this and helping implement for GNOME or KDE? Also, I think this would further help the adoption of Linux since it would be a common environment above and beyond the UNIX-like shell that we have today. Thoiw would help make switching environments, a hell of a lot easiert.
I agree that the religions mentioned do have major differences and even further between different sects. However, unless I'm mistaken the old testament is held in common between all of them. Support for the religious freedoms of Hindus, and Buddhists, and seperation of Church and State become an important issues as people push to have the ten commandments in schools and courtrooms.
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You're kidding right? Sure, Max OSX is a great OS but you're ignoring at least 10 years of history if you think Apple's ability to threaten Microsoft is not dependent on Linux. The following are important to OSX's ability to win over customers and operate :
1. SAMBA - important to allow internetworking with Windows computers. Major driving forces - Linux and BSD
2. XFree86 - Apple's implementation of X11 is based on XFree86. Driven by Linux and BSD.
3. GCC - Apple's main compiler based on the work of GNU project. Driven by Linux and BSD.
4. Safari - Based on the work of the KDE team. Drievn by Linux.
4. Security initiatives - I'm not sure what Apple's main implementations are but OpenSSH's availability is important. Driven by OpenBSD.
Apple did innovate with Quartz and some other technology on top of BSD but the fact is they are dependent on technology driven by Linux and BSD for at least the past 10 years. I give Linux more credit here because of it's industry support by companies such as IBM, HP, and Intel who will continue to drive interopability. (And Apple will benefit from that effort).
The only info I found was here, http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/download.html . The readme included in Zork I doesn't appear to give redistrubtion rights.
Agreed. There are bound to be a lot of trolls on this discussion and some inflamatory rhetoric but it is pretty simple. For the most part, when you use the source code from any open source program, you are bound by the terms of the license agreement.
By removing the advertising clause, the BSD license is compatable with the GPL but there are still obligations that must be met.
Doesn't the FSF hold the copyright to glibc? Why don't they pursue this since their code is shipped
as well. It's very difficult (if not possible)
to put together a Linux system without using
GNU tools. Isn't that why Stallman wants everyone to refer to Linux as GNU/Linux.
Actually, combining static and dynamic on the same netgear router is possible. I did something like reduce the range of dynamic ips and define my server on a static ip outside of this range. That way, my laptop can remain DHCP at work and home.
Where exactly in the release notes did you see security fixes? Kernel updates are for people who need kernel upgrades. Is there something not working on your system? If not, STFU!
I've read the release notes and there is nothing in them that compels me to upgrade. I'll probably upgrade the kernel next time RedHat creates a new kernel update which they can cooordinate with a new XFree86 update.
> tomorrow zdnet stories will be posted ad nausem
Not exactly, they'll somehow manage to mispell a few words and probably give an unsupported opinion
as well.
Mozilla is taking 23MB of memory on a Win2000 machine and this is the only page I have up. Is there something I'm doing wrong? It was taking 35MB this morning. I agree the improvements are great but it'll be hard to get people to switch considering IE footprint is about 5MB. (Yeah I'm aware MS is cheating by implementing portions of IE in the OS but it's still valid.)
You mean the photo processor charges you an extra
nickel because they are paying Microsoft. Just like sales tax, the business will pass on the cost to their customer. This is a clear example of "innovation" has a direct impact on the customer.
If the student used a header file, the work and all derivatives must be under the GPL. In that case, the student and the professor own copyright to portions of the code and neither can release under non-GPL licenses without the other's consent.
This practice seems confusing at best. If the header file is non-trivial, I don't see why the student could not rewrite their code to not use the header and retain copyright. The student's code was "forced" to be GPLed at the time that it was distrubuted with the GPL header in such a way that the studen't code could not run without the GPL code.
If the professor's intent was to retain copyright on their work and also give free distribution rights, the LGPL would be a better license. Of course, this would require dynamic linking and other requirements but may more closely match the intent.
BS!
This is the 21st century, journalistic ethics that you speak of where completely lost in the 20th century. Respectable news programs have been released by news entertainment such as NBC's Dateline. Wasn't it Dateline of 20/20 that admitted that they rigged a gas tank to explode on a GM vehicle as part of a "demonstration" of how unsafe the gas tank was? ABC's morning programs had an interview with the Pets.com sock puppet because their parent company, Disney, owned Pets.com. CNN devoted months to televising OJ Simpson's trial.
My point is that they news on TV has become a big business that exists to feed it's parent company. News that isn't good for the bottom line is unimportant.
What AOL is doing is talking out of both sides of there mouth on this issue. They do support an open system, albeit not very well, without any compensation using the TOC protocol. They have never intentionally attacked any client (read the article for more inFo) that attempts to be just that, a client.
Systems that interoperate, such as Jabber, allowing other IM systems to connect to AIM users are blocked. You can't have an open system without allow interoperation in my opinion. That's be like Linus hacking the kernel because he didn't like Wine and the fact that some Window's binaries can be executed on Linux. Once you make it open, you lose some amount of control.
I agree that some of their later stuff especially in the late 70s sucked but I'll also admit that I watched "Blue Falcon" , "Herculoids", "Space Ghost" and even "Speedy Buggy" regularly. Scrappy Doo was the antichrist in ink but no one can be perfect.
I definately used to watch too much TV. Now I have the old commercial going through my head. "Pow Pow Power wheels ..."
Yeah but there won't be one company tracking you site to site through banner ads but multiple ones. Wait, is that a good thing?
My guess is that the joke industry has been crushed by the Internet and what to stop all the massive joke emails. So I guess forwarding, printing, or telling a joke in public is now illegal without the express written permission of the joke author. The stupid thing is I wouldn't be suprised if the DMCA can be interpreted the same way. Discliamer: The contents of this posting are copyrighted by me and can not be reproduced in part or in whole without express written permission. Fair use rights may apply but you will have to talk to an attorney about that. G'day
It usually boils down to an economic not a philosphical or ethical question. If you fork a new release with proprietary extensions then every time a new release comes out, you have to merge your changes back in. Surrendering your changes and getting them integrated back in does potentially allow your competitors to catch-up but it also saves you resource/money in the long run.
Since they are hosting websites for money, there are probably 2 reasonable ways that you can fight this: 1. Check the license/terms that you sgned up under. There's probably some clauses that prevent you from posting illegal material and gives them rights to delete any such material. Unless they have specific mentions of mp3, this shoudn't apply since they were your own material. In that case, its probably a breach of contract since they removed them. With legal action or the threat of such, at least you could get your money back for the hosting. (Note: if the mp3 that you made contain music samples of copyrighted material, you may not be able to use this.) 2. Go elsewhere. Check out other hosting sites and their terms and conditions to make sure they don't have such an assinine policy of automatically deleting MP3s.
What is the future of Gnome and KDE on non-Linux desktops? It seems to me that both have strong Linux and BSD support including compiled binaries but neglect broad support for commercial UNIXes with the exception of Solaris. I would hope that one of them overtakes CDE since I've begun using a Solaris box recently and find that CDE is way behind the times on usability features. Is IBM, HP, Compaq, and SUN proposing this and helping implement for GNOME or KDE? Also, I think this would further help the adoption of Linux since it would be a common environment above and beyond the UNIX-like shell that we have today. Thoiw would help make switching environments, a hell of a lot easiert.
I agree that the religions mentioned do have major differences and even further between different sects. However, unless I'm mistaken the old testament is held in common between all of them. Support for the religious freedoms of Hindus, and Buddhists, and seperation of Church and State become an important issues as people push to have the ten commandments in schools and courtrooms.