"This was a real effect, it is measurable, it cannot be explained by placebo - it was not a placebo."
I agree with the first two statements, but "it cannot be explained by placebo" is false, and "it was not a placebo" is a false conclusion based on that original false statement.
"Typical stupid, doctor logic: there is only one cause for any particular set of symptoms. You hear about someone with the sensation of bugs crawling in their skin and you are 100% sure that they are crazy and need anti-psychotics. Pretty much everyone who has any kind of slightly out of the ordinary disease has been told by an MD that they are imagining it. And MD's love to give out anti-psychotics...because you want to think that every patient that doesn't fit into your prearranged neat little view of human health is crazy. You're probably a shitty doctor that could be replaced by a shell script which greps for keywords(i.e. "rash" "itchy" "bug bite") and prints out prescription forms and referrals. Honestly what good are you as a doctor if all you do is look at the most obvious cause of something and then throw some drugs at it? You think other people can't read? Like we couldn't look through a dermatology textbook and look for pictures of what we have or google for the symptoms? You're not bringing anything more to the table than a fucking book."
Are you a Scientologist? You're confusing the physical and mental health industry with the academic field and the individual practitioners, let alone your poor understanding of how "neat and little" your view of psychosomaticisms is.
"Here's a link to the 'official' Morgellon's website. There are a lot of M.D.'s present for this syndrome to amount to mere quackery."
Some MDs advise their patients to use Homeopathy and more harmful quackery as well. It's not easy, but it's apparently possible to ape an understanding of the scientific method and still get an MD, sadly.
You can check quackwatch.org for scores of rogue doctors with unscientific "pet" theories.
"Give the people a fucking break when they're agitated and trying to describe things as best as they can."
I'm not going to give hypochondriacs a "break" when they try and put forth that obvious and unmistakeable lint trapped in the scabs they continuously open is some otherworldly and unexplainable "disease". They need therapy, not drugs. At least, not the drugs they're asking for.
"I am reminded of an article by Lewis Thomas in his book "Lives of a Cell". The essay "Warts and All", I think, reports on experiments done to subjects with multiple warts to hypnotize them away. But only on one side of the body.
I don't remember the success rate but it was fairly high. The thing that struck Thomas was that sometimes the subjects made mistakes and instead of removing warts from the left side of their body would remove them from their right, say. To Thomas the big issue here was not warts but how a verbal suggestion could possibly translate into cellular commands to kill cells. He suggested there had to be a deep "super intelligence" at work in us to do this kind of thing. Hmm seems I have digressed."
It's pretty telling that no other doctors have received the same results. The "super intelligence" is a pretty specious claim as well.
Or you could just use Duck-Tape, which works just as well as the rest, with not as immediate a "fix" but with much less healing time and less risk of other damage.
"Some of people had the fibers that grow from their skin analyzed. They are cellulose but do not come from clothing."
Bullshit. There have been no verified reports of "non-clothing" cellulose, however there are numerous practitioners who debunk this on a regular basis. This is a huge non-story, and it's sad that people are taking these nuts at face value.
"Studies have shown that children who are exposed to heavy violence in games tend to act more aggressively in real life. Doesn't mean they are necessarily going to go pick up a gun and shoot their parents, but it it does have an effect on them."
They found a short term aggressive increase. They may have found a correlation, but no study so far has proven any causative effects.
"My problem with game relism is not just about my son and his age (he is 17 btw.) It is the that people are being desensitized to violence. As games have gotten more realistic they have allowed people to dismiss the tragedy of violence against humans. Aliens and monsters not withstanding! Kill them!"
Good lord, it's not as if we've had VIOLENCE in our communities since the dawn of time, throughout every age, and have had the popular media cover anger, strife, war, and all violence through art, music, plays, movies, television. These popular media make us *FEEL*. The effect any emotional media has on you lessens through time and repeated watching, whether it's a romantic flick, a gutburster horror flick, a stirring tale of personal bravery, or a violent "revenge" flick.
Thanks Tipper, but take your "for the children" rot and go somewhere where you can't damage society through the attempts to control all media, let alone the escapist ones.
Bad, lazy parenting lets kids run wild, not videogames alone.
If you're just playing a troll-role, try something a little crazier or more interesting, I'd give that persona a C.
"The cluster does not "prove" that the theory is correct, but does support its basic premise. What has to happen now is a background check of all the people affected and not affected, to determine if there is some other plausible causal factor common to them that would explain the cluster's formation (they all smoke, or live in the same area near a toxic waste site, family history of brain cancer, etc.). Sound about right?"
Certainly, but "Ya think? Maybe this represents your proof! I like to call this the "Keystone Cops Method" of scientific inquiry." implies that there's some sort of haphazard and lazy investigation going on, which is neither what was stated or what's occurring here. Apologies if that was somehow misconstrued, but the phrasing seemed to fit into the smarmy "how could it be anything else?!" attitudes posted elsewhere.
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"This was a real effect, it is measurable, it cannot be explained by placebo - it was not a placebo."
I agree with the first two statements, but "it cannot be explained by placebo" is false, and "it was not a placebo" is a false conclusion based on that original false statement.
"Typical stupid, doctor logic: there is only one cause for any particular set of symptoms. You hear about someone with the sensation of bugs crawling in their skin and you are 100% sure that they are crazy and need anti-psychotics. Pretty much everyone who has any kind of slightly out of the ordinary disease has been told by an MD that they are imagining it. And MD's love to give out anti-psychotics...because you want to think that every patient that doesn't fit into your prearranged neat little view of human health is crazy. You're probably a shitty doctor that could be replaced by a shell script which greps for keywords(i.e. "rash" "itchy" "bug bite") and prints out prescription forms and referrals. Honestly what good are you as a doctor if all you do is look at the most obvious cause of something and then throw some drugs at it? You think other people can't read? Like we couldn't look through a dermatology textbook and look for pictures of what we have or google for the symptoms? You're not bringing anything more to the table than a fucking book."
Are you a Scientologist? You're confusing the physical and mental health industry with the academic field and the individual practitioners, let alone your poor understanding of how "neat and little" your view of psychosomaticisms is.
"Here's a link to the 'official' Morgellon's website. There are a lot of M.D.'s present for this syndrome to amount to mere quackery."
Some MDs advise their patients to use Homeopathy and more harmful quackery as well. It's not easy, but it's apparently possible to ape an understanding of the scientific method and still get an MD, sadly.
You can check quackwatch.org for scores of rogue doctors with unscientific "pet" theories.
"Give the people a fucking break when they're agitated and trying to describe things as best as they can."
I'm not going to give hypochondriacs a "break" when they try and put forth that obvious and unmistakeable lint trapped in the scabs they continuously open is some otherworldly and unexplainable "disease". They need therapy, not drugs. At least, not the drugs they're asking for.
"Holistic" I think is what you're looking for.
"I am reminded of an article by Lewis Thomas in his book "Lives of a Cell". The essay "Warts and All", I think, reports on experiments done to subjects with multiple warts to hypnotize them away. But only on one side of the body.
I don't remember the success rate but it was fairly high. The thing that struck Thomas was that sometimes the subjects made mistakes and instead of removing warts from the left side of their body would remove them from their right, say. To Thomas the big issue here was not warts but how a verbal suggestion could possibly translate into cellular commands to kill cells. He suggested there had to be a deep "super intelligence" at work in us to do this kind of thing. Hmm seems I have digressed."
It's pretty telling that no other doctors have received the same results. The "super intelligence" is a pretty specious claim as well.
Or you could just use Duck-Tape, which works just as well as the rest, with not as immediate a "fix" but with much less healing time and less risk of other damage.
"I'd advise looking at http://www.morgellons.org/ since that site has more detail for medical professionals."
It doesn't really have anything convincing enough to discard the delusional parasitosis confirmation that biopsies so far have confirmed.
"Some of people had the fibers that grow from their skin analyzed. They are cellulose but do not come from clothing."
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Bullshit. There have been no verified reports of "non-clothing" cellulose, however there are numerous practitioners who debunk this on a regular basis. This is a huge non-story, and it's sad that people are taking these nuts at face value.
This SA thread also goes into further detail-
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s
"So they really weren't harmed, they just want some google cash!"
And the free PR we all give them.
He's saying that it can work as well, he wasn't knocking it.
Except that people aren't chomping at the bit to upgrade to a Blu-Ray right now.
Not in every single case, but the effects of nurture are well-documented.
"Studies have shown that children who are exposed to heavy violence in games tend to act more aggressively in real life. Doesn't mean they are necessarily going to go pick up a gun and shoot their parents, but it it does have an effect on them."
They found a short term aggressive increase. They may have found a correlation, but no study so far has proven any causative effects.
"My problem with game relism is not just about my son and his age (he is 17 btw.) It is the that people are being desensitized to violence. As games have gotten more realistic they have allowed people to dismiss the tragedy of violence against humans. Aliens and monsters not withstanding! Kill them!"
Good lord, it's not as if we've had VIOLENCE in our communities since the dawn of time, throughout every age, and have had the popular media cover anger, strife, war, and all violence through art, music, plays, movies, television. These popular media make us *FEEL*. The effect any emotional media has on you lessens through time and repeated watching, whether it's a romantic flick, a gutburster horror flick, a stirring tale of personal bravery, or a violent "revenge" flick.
Thanks Tipper, but take your "for the children" rot and go somewhere where you can't damage society through the attempts to control all media, let alone the escapist ones.
Bad, lazy parenting lets kids run wild, not videogames alone.
If you're just playing a troll-role, try something a little crazier or more interesting, I'd give that persona a C.
"2) A PCI express motherboard can be found under $50"
You'd have to be a fool to buy a motherboard that costs under 50$.
Fly away, troll.
Who ever stated that these were the exact same type of tumor?
He'll be a superb reporter yet!
"Not but a handful of towers are on buildings. Fewer still are close to where humans habitate."
That doesn't change that worldwide, we still have a significant number of cell phone towers on buildings close to where humans habitate.
The heat could very well be coming from the battery, you know.
A large metal obstruction affects TV reception? That's just crazy talk.
"The cluster does not "prove" that the theory is correct, but does support its basic premise. What has to happen now is a background check of all the people affected and not affected, to determine if there is some other plausible causal factor common to them that would explain the cluster's formation (they all smoke, or live in the same area near a toxic waste site, family history of brain cancer, etc.). Sound about right?"
Certainly, but "Ya think? Maybe this represents your proof! I like to call this the "Keystone Cops Method" of scientific inquiry." implies that there's some sort of haphazard and lazy investigation going on, which is neither what was stated or what's occurring here. Apologies if that was somehow misconstrued, but the phrasing seemed to fit into the smarmy "how could it be anything else?!" attitudes posted elsewhere.
"Maybe this represents your proof!"
It doesn't represent the absolute "proof" required to confirm a causal link, so no it does not.
"I like to call this the 'Keystone Cops Method' of scientific inquiry."
It's a shame that you do not understand the process of scientific inquiry, but your personal opinion does not change the approach any.
When a scientist says "no link", they mean no CAUSAL link, not correlative.