(1) I think we all understand, that no one is actually charging for actual software - that the only way you're making money is on the "packaging, updates, and support subscriptions".
Source "will be" available? I think it HAS to be available. As in RIGHT NOW. If I want the GPL'd source from that product, what are you going to tell me? "Hold on, we're still working on it"? If you've got binaries out, you have to give up the source.
"an absolute defense to an assertion of patent infringement by Red Hat"?!? RED HAT ALREADY OWNS THE PATENTS. What are you smoking?
If I just fired off and let all the "install" scripts for all the various software I've run through on my Linux boxes install, I'd have at least 2 versions of everything - the original in/usr/bin, and an upgraded version in/usr/local/bin , or the first version I installed in/usr/local/softwarename/bin , and then the second one under/usr/local/softwarenamespelleddifferently/bi n, and a third one under/usr/local/softwaredevelopersname/softwarepr oduct/bin..
So far, no one has anything that remotely resembles the purpose of the LSB.
This is NEEDED. Mr. Love states that they are completely following the parts of the LSB that currently exist.
My favorite example of this problem, is actually installing a current version of Apache, to attempt to replace the original one on Red Hat 7.2. The stock Red Hat 7.2 apache is spread ALL OVER the damn drive, config files in one directory, binaries somewhere else, data files somewhere ELSE. issuing 'make install' to Apache, netted me one directory, along the lines of/usr/local/apache, with ALL of it's data residing in that directory.
I haven't used any linux distributions other than Red Hat since before Linux 1.0 came out, and before that I used the SLS distribution. I can't speak for them, but I'd be willing to bet that issues like that are throughout ALL of the distributions.
And it needs to be fixed.
I don't have time to learn where every binary, every piece of configuration data, and every thing else is on the system, when it's spread across 20 different directories on the tree.
Here's one thing that they are apparently trying to pave the road for: Commercial software development for Linux.
They want to make it so that if you stamp "UnitedLinux" on your product, it will run on ANY UnitedLinux server box, provided that it's base software hasn't already been horked up by someone else. By having sealed binaries, they can determine if the problem is in the kernel, in the binaries distributed with their UnitedLinux distribution, or if it's something in the vendor's software.
It doesn't give you the issue where, for example, I purchased Quake3 for Linux. The box has a gigantic "red hat compatible" stamp on it. You know what I get ? Nothing. It doesn't run on ANY red hat system that I can find.
...and better yet... no one cares! (and yes, this was when Loki was still in business)
At one point, I had a dual-head setup.. it worked fantastically in Windows - even though the hardware supposedly wasn't compatible with it:
Voodoo 3 3500
old PCI ATI Mach64 2-D board
In X, the hardware was listed as being compatible, and it didn't work at all with xinerama. The voodoo picture was all skewed up, even though the Mach64 was ok.. and it was supposed to be non-compatible with the mach 64!
I posted a message on May 17th, 1989, on what was then the FidoNet ADOPTION message board. It was then gated to UseNet, and sent presumably across the world, seeking my birth family.
Because my mother found that message, in a Usenet archive, on the Internet, on May 17th, 1999 (ten years later), we have met. I know who my family is.
If you think archives are bad, Fuck You.
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Harper's didn't run the story until it was old news, at least for those of us in Michigan, where it was "local news"!
After I caught up on this story (admittedly, I had completely forgotten about it when I moved over to the Metro Detroit area, until I picked it up in a magazine while waiting for an appointment somewhere) 3 years ago, I was working about 2 miles from where this all happened.. drove by there for kicks. Didn't seem like anybody/thing was glowing. lol
I have some roommates that are a bit pissy about the wiring situation. What are some CHEAP ways to get wires and crap out of people's ways?
Also, making the machines more useful. We have one computer as a router/mail-server, and one computer as a web-server, that's really not doing much of anything else.
I'm seriously thinking that perhaps I need to find ways to centralize a lot of our storage (we've got something like 180GB of hard drive space in the house, 30GB in the web server, 14GB in my box, and 60GB in the two roommate's boxes), make it public access, so we can pop out mp3's and stuff on the fly anywhere.. and what about wiring up a stereo system to all that?
I agree entirely, that there needs to be some benefits to all the mess, otherwise people just get pissed. And, unfortunatly, my web-server and personal machine is at the end of the 200ft Cat 5 wire that crosses the house.. and the roommates know that all they have to do to really piss me off is unplug me from the router. grrr.
What I really mean to say, I guess, is that it's been educated enough to make some relatively intelligent decisions as to what it ISN'T. As someone else pointed out, it may not know what it IS, but at least it has a pretty good idea of what it ISN'T.
Why is Cyc asking if it is Human any more significant than Cyc asking if it is Lettuce, or asking if a football is a gourd?
Apparently it's already "smart" enough to understand that it's not Lettuce, and perhaps that although a football is slightly gourd-shaped, it really has no other resemblance to a gourd. That seems to be a rather interesting point. Now, just to hope it doesn't learn a lot of religious things, and decide that it is God.
Back home in Kalamazoo, MI, there was this great mostly-electronica type band, called "Vatican". They had an album called "The Net".
Basically, it was a 5-song (maybe 6?) story about a time in the future, when someone creates an Artificial Intelligence in a lab, and unleashes it upon the Internet, able to absorb information that it finds (just pray it doesn't find The Onion! lol!)..
The end result, the machine decides that since it wasn't born, it's not a normal living being, and the only "living" being that wasn't born is God. Therefore, it decides that IT is God.
(this reminds me of the comment earlier in this line that said "Is there a God?".. and the computer responded back "There is now.")
At least, that's my interpretation of the album. in the end, it decides that the world is better off without it, and self-terminates.
(If anyone has any pointers to this band, their music, etc, I would LOVE to find them again.. they were really great.)
And crashed it well over 60 times. I've been using Mozilla 1.0rc1-3 for as long as they've been out.. and two days ago, I decided to make 1.0rc3 my default browser in Windows, along with using it almost exclusively in Linux.
rc3 was really good, albeit a bit slower than 1.0. 1.0 crashes ALL the DAMN time. COnstantly. My most common "crash report" has been "sitting there doing nothing". It's nuts.
Though it is a ton faster than 1.0rc1-3 were. That's not very good though. IT CRASHES ALL THE DAMN TIME. And it still takes freaking FOREVER to start on computer w/ sub 256MB ram
Are you sure this is the billionth time that you've seen something like this on slashdot? I don't recall EVER seeing anything about parties in the 4 years i've been reading.. hmmm.
So, I hit the MSNBC link from the article, and it immediatly pops open two ad windows, one of which has an onClose event attached to it to pop a third window. LOL!
In their press release, they call themselves "Recording Industry of America"... they don't even know what their own stupid name stands for anymore! Except for money, greed, and all that.
The decision makes it so that those who POST wanted ads on sites such as that are held responsible if something does happen to the doctors posted in those wanted ads.
This is WAY old news. This happened like 2 years ago, and now the FBI is getting around to making arrests on this stuff. (I live just down the road from Ford's Headquarters.. I've seen this on TV many times over the last couple years, about the whole deal.. don't know of any internet based references to it though)
As the author of this article well knows (Hey Jamie! it's The Magician... heh.. what's up?) i've been online for 14 years now.. i turn 26 this Friday.
I turned out ok.
If your kids are agreeing to meet up with strangers without having any clue about them, or are being tricked into doing stupid shit, it's YOUR FUCKING FAULT YOUR KIDS ARE STUPID. It makes me sick when I see news stories about kids getting preyed upon by internet people. I look at these kids and go "THESE KIDS ARE FUCKING MORONS".
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I have a Caldera distro CD that predates Yggdrasil.
Enough said.
(1) I think we all understand, that no one is actually charging for actual software - that the only way you're making money is on the "packaging, updates, and support subscriptions".
Source "will be" available? I think it HAS to be available. As in RIGHT NOW. If I want the GPL'd source from that product, what are you going to tell me? "Hold on, we're still working on it"? If you've got binaries out, you have to give up the source.
"an absolute defense to an assertion of patent infringement by Red Hat"?!? RED HAT ALREADY OWNS THE PATENTS. What are you smoking?
(can I have some?)
Did either of you two actually read the response to that question? *boggle*
You apparently don't install much software.
/usr/bin, and an upgraded version in /usr/local/bin , or the first version I installed in /usr/local/softwarename/bin , and then the second one under /usr/local/softwarenamespelleddifferently/bi n, and a third one under /usr/local/softwaredevelopersname/softwarepr oduct/bin ..
/usr/local/apache, with ALL of it's data residing in that directory.
If I just fired off and let all the "install" scripts for all the various software I've run through on my Linux boxes install, I'd have at least 2 versions of everything - the original in
So far, no one has anything that remotely resembles the purpose of the LSB.
This is NEEDED. Mr. Love states that they are completely following the parts of the LSB that currently exist.
My favorite example of this problem, is actually installing a current version of Apache, to attempt to replace the original one on Red Hat 7.2. The stock Red Hat 7.2 apache is spread ALL OVER the damn drive, config files in one directory, binaries somewhere else, data files somewhere ELSE. issuing 'make install' to Apache, netted me one directory, along the lines of
I haven't used any linux distributions other than Red Hat since before Linux 1.0 came out, and before that I used the SLS distribution. I can't speak for them, but I'd be willing to bet that issues like that are throughout ALL of the distributions.
And it needs to be fixed.
I don't have time to learn where every binary, every piece of configuration data, and every thing else is on the system, when it's spread across 20 different directories on the tree.
Here's one thing that they are apparently trying to pave the road for: Commercial software development for Linux.
...and better yet... no one cares! (and yes, this was when Loki was still in business)
They want to make it so that if you stamp "UnitedLinux" on your product, it will run on ANY UnitedLinux server box, provided that it's base software hasn't already been horked up by someone else. By having sealed binaries, they can determine if the problem is in the kernel, in the binaries distributed with their UnitedLinux distribution, or if it's something in the vendor's software.
It doesn't give you the issue where, for example, I purchased Quake3 for Linux. The box has a gigantic "red hat compatible" stamp on it. You know what I get ? Nothing. It doesn't run on ANY red hat system that I can find.
but this has to be the most worthless story i've seen on slashdot in months....
At one point, I had a dual-head setup .. it worked fantastically in Windows - even though the hardware supposedly wasn't compatible with it:
Voodoo 3 3500
old PCI ATI Mach64 2-D board
In X, the hardware was listed as being compatible, and it didn't work at all with xinerama. The voodoo picture was all skewed up, even though the Mach64 was ok.. and it was supposed to be non-compatible with the mach 64!
I am an adoptee.
I posted a message on May 17th, 1989, on what was then the FidoNet ADOPTION message board. It was then gated to UseNet, and sent presumably across the world, seeking my birth family.
Because my mother found that message, in a Usenet archive, on the Internet, on May 17th, 1999 (ten years later), we have met. I know who my family is.
If you think archives are bad, Fuck You.
You have got to check this picture out. Battling the paperclip! I want to write without interference!
Harper's didn't run the story until it was old news, at least for those of us in Michigan, where it was "local news"!
After I caught up on this story (admittedly, I had completely forgotten about it when I moved over to the Metro Detroit area, until I picked it up in a magazine while waiting for an appointment somewhere) 3 years ago, I was working about 2 miles from where this all happened.. drove by there for kicks. Didn't seem like anybody/thing was glowing. lol
Jacking IN in the bathroom, I don't think is what he had in mind. Not in the slightest.
I have some roommates that are a bit pissy about the wiring situation. What are some CHEAP ways to get wires and crap out of people's ways?
Also, making the machines more useful. We have one computer as a router/mail-server, and one computer as a web-server, that's really not doing much of anything else.
I'm seriously thinking that perhaps I need to find ways to centralize a lot of our storage (we've got something like 180GB of hard drive space in the house, 30GB in the web server, 14GB in my box, and 60GB in the two roommate's boxes), make it public access, so we can pop out mp3's and stuff on the fly anywhere.. and what about wiring up a stereo system to all that?
I agree entirely, that there needs to be some benefits to all the mess, otherwise people just get pissed. And, unfortunatly, my web-server and personal machine is at the end of the 200ft Cat 5 wire that crosses the house.. and the roommates know that all they have to do to really piss me off is unplug me from the router. grrr.
What I really mean to say, I guess, is that it's been educated enough to make some relatively intelligent decisions as to what it ISN'T. As someone else pointed out, it may not know what it IS, but at least it has a pretty good idea of what it ISN'T.
Apparently it's already "smart" enough to understand that it's not Lettuce, and perhaps that although a football is slightly gourd-shaped, it really has no other resemblance to a gourd. That seems to be a rather interesting point. Now, just to hope it doesn't learn a lot of religious things, and decide that it is God.
Back home in Kalamazoo, MI, there was this great mostly-electronica type band, called "Vatican". They had an album called "The Net".
..
.. and the computer responded back "There is now.")
Basically, it was a 5-song (maybe 6?) story about a time in the future, when someone creates an Artificial Intelligence in a lab, and unleashes it upon the Internet, able to absorb information that it finds (just pray it doesn't find The Onion! lol!)
The end result, the machine decides that since it wasn't born, it's not a normal living being, and the only "living" being that wasn't born is God. Therefore, it decides that IT is God.
(this reminds me of the comment earlier in this line that said "Is there a God?"
At least, that's my interpretation of the album. in the end, it decides that the world is better off without it, and self-terminates.
(If anyone has any pointers to this band, their music, etc, I would LOVE to find them again.. they were really great.)
And crashed it well over 60 times.
I've been using Mozilla 1.0rc1-3 for as long as they've been out.. and two days ago, I decided to make 1.0rc3 my default browser in Windows, along with using it almost exclusively in Linux.
rc3 was really good, albeit a bit slower than 1.0. 1.0 crashes ALL the DAMN time. COnstantly. My most common "crash report" has been "sitting there doing nothing". It's nuts.
Though it is a ton faster than 1.0rc1-3 were.
That's not very good though. IT CRASHES ALL THE DAMN TIME. And it still takes freaking FOREVER to start on computer w/ sub 256MB ram
Could we get some ^M's in there .. please??
Are you sure this is the billionth time that you've seen something like this on slashdot? I don't recall EVER seeing anything about parties in the 4 years i've been reading.. hmmm.
Let's get this party started. We can hook it up in Ann Arbor... how about at The Edge??? 94 and Michigan I think is the cross-streets there...
This was posted right here on slashdot like 2 or 3 years ago now. Why such an old repost?
So, I hit the MSNBC link from the article, and it immediatly pops open two ad windows, one of which has an onClose event attached to it to pop a third window. LOL!
In their press release, they call themselves "Recording Industry of America" ... they don't even know what their own stupid name stands for anymore! Except for money, greed, and all that.
Looks like another mis-interpretation.
The decision makes it so that those who POST wanted ads on sites such as that are held responsible if something does happen to the doctors posted in those wanted ads.
They have not declared the site illegal.
This is WAY old news. This happened like 2 years ago, and now the FBI is getting around to making arrests on this stuff. (I live just down the road from Ford's Headquarters.. I've seen this on TV many times over the last couple years, about the whole deal.. don't know of any internet based references to it though)
As the author of this article well knows (Hey Jamie! it's The Magician ... heh.. what's up?) i've been online for 14 years now.. i turn 26 this Friday.
I turned out ok.
If your kids are agreeing to meet up with strangers without having any clue about them, or are being tricked into doing stupid shit, it's YOUR FUCKING FAULT YOUR KIDS ARE STUPID. It makes me sick when I see news stories about kids getting preyed upon by internet people. I look at these kids and go "THESE KIDS ARE FUCKING MORONS".
Just my insight into the "problem".