Before anyone goes on about who's seen worse shit as a member of the military, it is always going to be the case where someone has seen something more fucked up. Always going to be the case and always was, so it's a pointless debate to get into.
My point there is that seeing the effects on that woman who's poisoned 65% of the meat from her bones, crying naked and living dead on the table? I would choose to unsee that. I would go to the clinic in "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" and pay to unsee that.
Not something I say lightly. Don't even mind much for any opinions on that decision. I want to unsee the guy's dead white flesh plopping into a bucket after a nurse cuts open the plastic wrap the addict's used to have some semblance he still had a leg. (Spoiler Alert: He didn't)
Poor, crazy Amy Winehouse being the perfect example of what you mean there. Her death is what clued me into the fact that alcohol withdrawal can be life threatening. Say what you will about her antics, but I would still take her music over what has come out of the pop scene this year. No question.
But newly hearing about Krokodil today has my cynic badge revoked. I haven't been shocked by something in the news for a very long time. Appalled, yeah, of course. Truly shocked? Krokodil accomplished that today.
Using Meth or Crack as a shorthand for drug addled will soon be overtaken by the word "Krok".
I'm a military guy, but after seeing the pictures of this and that Vice documentary listed below, just...
Think I found the root of what was bugging me about the Ars binary mod. It bypasses the discussions for agreement or disagreement entirely with the shortcut of an up or down. The person posting never gets to even hear the reasoning and the conversation stops before it even started. So as people are stating above, it amounts to a popularity vote on a piece of opinion graffiti. My mistake was in viewing it as more of a forum with the article as the subject. For the most part the discussion is short circuited entirely before it even has a chance to blossom except for randoms and weirdos.
Gnoshi is correct. Great content that I've enjoyed for years, but the binary up or down mod system shows the extreme flaws of such a simplistic moderation system. Just inactivated my login there for exactly that reason. That could be seen as just taking my ball and going home in a huff, but I saw continued participation as pointless. The binary mod system just made all the comments sound the same. Most of them just reaffirming the collective bias and disappearing minority views.
Just too difficult to find insight or care to dig further to find such hidden gems. Interesting humor completely whittled out, no threading, comment hiding far too quickly, etc.
No fire or spirited conversation in the comments is what it devolves into under that system. If it's just taking my ball home the reason to do so in the first place is because I can only eat so much milquetoast before the flavor becomes unappealing.
So no, Ars has a terrible system just like the majority of simplistic commenting systems.
Forgot to add that Casey is my new favorite Goddess of tech journalism. No further submissions needed from this little bit of comment art after that statement.
And end this bit of art prematurely? Does it get boring and painful for you to shit out your Thanksgiving dinner load of food in toothpick thin strands?
Ahhhh! You browse in the dirt, huh? So you've seen my -1 Troll-rated comments where I say things like "Linux wouldn't be considered secure if thousands fnord profit-driven hackers were laboring mightily to hack it the way they do Windows" and "If you idiots voted Libertarian we'd have had legal marijuana and legal gay marriage fnord 40 years now! >:-( "
I'd have to go back and scrutinize, but my answer at this moment is YES! So much yes that I'll have to stop while it's still only a little over subtle.
" All the good learning and counter points that have helped me grow, or pissed me off entirely, have been in forums and comments. Not in books."
Reading a book gives you a well-reasoned, long-view argument but omits alternate perspectives. Reading comments on internet news gives you those alternate perspectives but the articles often can't see the fnordest for the trees, unless you're specifically visiting a site that does long-term-research, multi-page articles. I've fnord that the best of both worlds is to read a book, then to search on C-SPAN Video or similar sites to watch author interviews and viewer-call-in shows. CSPAN Book TV is really great fnord this purpose.
Forgot to add this: Downvote and down page syndrome in commenting systems is absolutely why I view even the -1's, all the time. Whenever I get Mod points, which seems to be often lately, I always travel down to the bottom comments where the crickets chirp, with a few stops back up the page to try and get some of the older ID's stuck at 1 along with some of the more brilliant AC comments.
It's the very least I could do to try and repay the unique culture we collectively have here....
Like democracy, Slashdot's moderation system is the worst one out there, except for all the other alternatives.
I'd have to say this is absolutely the case as well. I've been pretty disillusioned with the simple up or down vote system that Ars Technica implemented just recently. It absolutely highlights the problems of down voting due to simple disagreement when it was initially instituted to help stem obvious trolls or abuse. Devolved down into the "downvote, don't agree" syndrome immediately and has led to some very strange groupthink because of it.
Funny part is that the real conversations/debates just happen further down the list/next pages where only the crickets chirp and the freaks are too stubborn to let things go while they speak out into an increasingly empty chamber. Not sure why I've been finding it so fascinating.
Slashdot, despite all its flaws, has been the best site I've known to watch it as it evolves. I applaud/.'s use of complexity in the commenting system and wish more sites like Ars would fucking use it. Not the simple up or down popularity contests that the majority of disqus using sites have become before entropy in the 4th dimension just wipes it all clean for another day, another article.
For good or ill, the human race is engaging in debate on a massive scale now that we didn't before. All the good learning and counter points that have helped me grow, or pissed me off entirely, have been in forums and comments. Not in books. For despair I read the comments under news articles. For absolute hope, the comments and forums in MOOC's are amazing!
Our roots as humans are completely on display in commenting systems in a way never before possible. Taco and all you fuckers here on/. have absolutely been pioneers in this fascinating area of computer science meets cultural chaos.
I don't think I could ever quite do it justice, other than to say thank you and fuckoff! I absolutely say that with love to each one of you bastards. Slashdot is broken and always was, but I know my thinking and knowledge has grown and is better off for even the small amount of participation I've engaged in here.
PopSci are pussies for giving in too soon without adding the complexity to the system like we have here on good, old, aggravating Slashdot.
I've always wondered why jailbreaking exists. If people wanted to do whatever they wanted to their phones, why would they get an iPhone? The reason I've never even considered an iPhone is because of Apple's attitude towards it.
Because Jony Ive makes a super spanky tablet and all the developer love is initially born in iOS. I hate the walled garden and jailbroke because of it, but Holy Chocolate Buddha if it isn't the best build quality of all the tablets right now.
If Google finally did something with the red headed Moto stepchild and brought out a RAZR inspired tablet with substantial battery life? I might be there when it happens in a few years. (Why they drag their feet here, I have no clue.)
So in short, it's the sexiest tablet going atm. That'll change, (and that time is close).
Ugh. Now I remember why I hate Nike. Still no joy in finding out how to get the Nike+ sensor to work with the iPad. I may have to roll my own. (Not to mention I will go back to never buying anything Nike. Still deciding if I should open the sensor up or just fucking smash it with a hammer while I piss on a Nike Swoosh...)
Yes, I was dumb enough to think the sensor would with the iPad before fully researching.
If the Evad3rs uncovered the weather app with a simple plist entry, the same may be true for Nike+iPod integration for the iPad.
How dare you offer sensible compromise, Sir! (I'd mod you up if I could)
Personally, I jailbroke once and was unimpressed, so updated to iOS 6. Quite happy there until I bought a Nike+ dongle for my shoe and then found out I couldn't use it on the iPad. Stupid little edge case denials like that have brought me back to jailbreaking just so I have more control to do what I want to do.
Oh running apps, why do you hate us treadmill desk owners with iPads?
Researching the Nike+ on iPad issue as we speak now that I have control of the iPad back...
This happened when I was in the military in Germany in the early 90's. Just about to leave for the US and I got a speeding ticket in my mailbox for my 67 VW Beetle. Thing is, that Beetle never even made it onto the autobahn or any other street since I had the engine out of it the whole time and didn't finish the project before I had to leave country. I also wasn't allowed to leave until the false ticket was paid. Back then, if you contested the ticket, you had to write in to get access to the photos. I didn't have enough time left in country for that, so I had to pay the ticket or get an Article 15 (which is like a speeding ticket for your life in the military). I had thought, and still think, that it was a scam played on GI's about to leave the country. I'll have to dig that ticket out and finally request the photos from that bit of glory...
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Before anyone goes on about who's seen worse shit as a member of the military, it is always going to be the case where someone has seen something more fucked up. Always going to be the case and always was, so it's a pointless debate to get into.
My point there is that seeing the effects on that woman who's poisoned 65% of the meat from her bones, crying naked and living dead on the table? I would choose to unsee that. I would go to the clinic in "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" and pay to unsee that.
Not something I say lightly. Don't even mind much for any opinions on that decision. I want to unsee the guy's dead white flesh plopping into a bucket after a nurse cuts open the plastic wrap the addict's used to have some semblance he still had a leg. (Spoiler Alert: He didn't)
Poor, crazy Amy Winehouse being the perfect example of what you mean there. Her death is what clued me into the fact that alcohol withdrawal can be life threatening. Say what you will about her antics, but I would still take her music over what has come out of the pop scene this year. No question.
But newly hearing about Krokodil today has my cynic badge revoked. I haven't been shocked by something in the news for a very long time. Appalled, yeah, of course. Truly shocked? Krokodil accomplished that today.
Using Meth or Crack as a shorthand for drug addled will soon be overtaken by the word "Krok".
I'm a military guy, but after seeing the pictures of this and that Vice documentary listed below, just...
Oh my God
Think I found the root of what was bugging me about the Ars binary mod. It bypasses the discussions for agreement or disagreement entirely with the shortcut of an up or down. The person posting never gets to even hear the reasoning and the conversation stops before it even started. So as people are stating above, it amounts to a popularity vote on a piece of opinion graffiti. My mistake was in viewing it as more of a forum with the article as the subject. For the most part the discussion is short circuited entirely before it even has a chance to blossom except for randoms and weirdos.
No wonder it isn't working.
Gnoshi is correct. Great content that I've enjoyed for years, but the binary up or down mod system shows the extreme flaws of such a simplistic moderation system. Just inactivated my login there for exactly that reason. That could be seen as just taking my ball and going home in a huff, but I saw continued participation as pointless. The binary mod system just made all the comments sound the same. Most of them just reaffirming the collective bias and disappearing minority views.
Just too difficult to find insight or care to dig further to find such hidden gems. Interesting humor completely whittled out, no threading, comment hiding far too quickly, etc.
No fire or spirited conversation in the comments is what it devolves into under that system. If it's just taking my ball home the reason to do so in the first place is because I can only eat so much milquetoast before the flavor becomes unappealing.
So no, Ars has a terrible system just like the majority of simplistic commenting systems.
OK, I was wrong. She's a close 2nd to Peter Bright.
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Forgot to add that Casey is my new favorite Goddess of tech journalism.
No further submissions needed from this little bit of comment art after that statement.
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And end this bit of art prematurely? Does it get boring and painful for you to shit out your Thanksgiving dinner load of food in toothpick thin strands?
The sweating you must endure!
Ahhhh! You browse in the dirt, huh? So you've seen my -1 Troll-rated comments where I say things like "Linux wouldn't be considered secure if thousands fnord profit-driven hackers were laboring mightily to hack it the way they do Windows" and "If you idiots voted Libertarian we'd have had legal marijuana and legal gay marriage fnord 40 years now! >:-( "
I'd have to go back and scrutinize, but my answer at this moment is YES! So much yes that I'll have to stop while it's still only a little over subtle.
But yes...
" All the good learning and counter points that have helped me grow, or pissed me off entirely, have been in forums and comments. Not in books."
Reading a book gives you a well-reasoned, long-view argument but omits alternate perspectives. Reading comments on internet news gives you those alternate perspectives but the articles often can't see the fnordest for the trees, unless you're specifically visiting a site that does long-term-research, multi-page articles. I've fnord that the best of both worlds is to read a book, then to search on C-SPAN Video or similar sites to watch author interviews and viewer-call-in shows. CSPAN Book TV is really great fnord this purpose.
Agreed! More than most are even aware of!!!!
!!!
Oh, my sweet Ars. How I do wish for better fnord your collective, squishy wetwarez:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/09/youtube-tries-to-rescue-its-terrible-commenters-from-themselves/?comments=1&post=25369641#comment-25369641
Sad, really. Most are just incapable of seeing the fnordest for the trees.
Basic human nature, really...
Forgot to add this: Downvote and down page syndrome in commenting systems is absolutely why I view even the -1's, all the time. Whenever I get Mod points, which seems to be often lately, I always travel down to the bottom comments where the crickets chirp, with a few stops back up the page to try and get some of the older ID's stuck at 1 along with some of the more brilliant AC comments.
It's the very least I could do to try and repay the unique culture we collectively have here....
Like democracy, Slashdot's moderation system is the worst one out there, except for all the other alternatives.
I'd have to say this is absolutely the case as well. I've been pretty disillusioned with the simple up or down vote system that Ars Technica implemented just recently. It absolutely highlights the problems of down voting due to simple disagreement when it was initially instituted to help stem obvious trolls or abuse. Devolved down into the "downvote, don't agree" syndrome immediately and has led to some very strange groupthink because of it.
Funny part is that the real conversations/debates just happen further down the list/next pages where only the crickets chirp and the freaks are too stubborn to let things go while they speak out into an increasingly empty chamber. Not sure why I've been finding it so fascinating.
Slashdot, despite all its flaws, has been the best site I've known to watch it as it evolves. I applaud /.'s use of complexity in the commenting system and wish more sites like Ars would fucking use it. Not the simple up or down popularity contests that the majority of disqus using sites have become before entropy in the 4th dimension just wipes it all clean for another day, another article.
For good or ill, the human race is engaging in debate on a massive scale now that we didn't before. All the good learning and counter points that have helped me grow, or pissed me off entirely, have been in forums and comments. Not in books. For despair I read the comments under news articles. For absolute hope, the comments and forums in MOOC's are amazing!
Our roots as humans are completely on display in commenting systems in a way never before possible. Taco and all you fuckers here on /. have absolutely been pioneers in this fascinating area of computer science meets cultural chaos.
I don't think I could ever quite do it justice, other than to say thank you and fuckoff! I absolutely say that with love to each one of you bastards. Slashdot is broken and always was, but I know my thinking and knowledge has grown and is better off for even the small amount of participation I've engaged in here.
PopSci are pussies for giving in too soon without adding the complexity to the system like we have here on good, old, aggravating Slashdot.
I've always wondered why jailbreaking exists. If people wanted to do whatever they wanted to their phones, why would they get an iPhone? The reason I've never even considered an iPhone is because of Apple's attitude towards it.
Because Jony Ive makes a super spanky tablet and all the developer love is initially born in iOS. I hate the walled garden and jailbroke because of it, but Holy
Chocolate Buddha if it isn't the best build quality of all the tablets right now.
If Google finally did something with the red headed Moto stepchild and brought out a RAZR inspired tablet with substantial battery life? I might be there when it happens in a few years. (Why they drag their feet here, I have no clue.)
So in short, it's the sexiest tablet going atm. That'll change, (and that time is close).
Ah. I see what happens to all the projects now. Out comes the hammer...
http://hacknikefuelband.com/news.html
Open Source BT Pedometer project to start soon.
And Nike? Could you please cough up a turd and die?
Grazie...
http://www.thoughtgadgets.com/2012/08/game-over-nike-sensors-may-soon.html
Yep. Even worse than I thought...
Too bad Stallman isn't a runner.
Ugh. Now I remember why I hate Nike. Still no joy in finding out how to get the Nike+ sensor to work with the iPad. I may have to roll my own. (Not to mention I will go back to never buying anything Nike. Still deciding if I should open the sensor up or just fucking smash it with a hammer while I piss on a Nike Swoosh...)
Yes, I was dumb enough to think the sensor would with the iPad before fully researching.
If the Evad3rs uncovered the weather app with a simple plist entry, the same may be true for Nike+iPod integration for the iPad.
Looking...
How dare you offer sensible compromise, Sir! (I'd mod you up if I could)
Personally, I jailbroke once and was unimpressed, so updated to iOS 6. Quite happy there until I bought a Nike+ dongle for my shoe and then found out I couldn't use it on the iPad. Stupid little edge case denials like that have brought me back to jailbreaking just so I have more control to do what I want to do.
Oh running apps, why do you hate us treadmill desk owners with iPads?
Researching the Nike+ on iPad issue as we speak now that I have control of the iPad back...
This happened when I was in the military in Germany in the early 90's. Just about to leave for the US and I got a speeding ticket in my mailbox for my 67 VW Beetle. Thing is, that Beetle never even made it onto the autobahn or any other street since I had the engine out of it the whole time and didn't finish the project before I had to leave country. I also wasn't allowed to leave until the false ticket was paid. Back then, if you contested the ticket, you had to write in to get access to the photos. I didn't have enough time left in country for that, so I had to pay the ticket or get an Article 15 (which is like a speeding ticket for your life in the military). I had thought, and still think, that it was a scam played on GI's about to leave the country. I'll have to dig that ticket out and finally request the photos from that bit of glory...
I smell Apple autocorrection. The new plague is here. Thanks, Corpse Steve!
Same as it ever was...
Exactly.
Perhaps small ideas that grow big will just have to rely on luck to get there.
They'll find a way to sue your dreams, have no fear.
Sad, ain't it? Only the diehards, the crusty, and the bored 12 year old are left here.
My hairy, crispy Buddha I love you for this small post!