Thats right, because giving uneducated peoplee access to information without them paying for it, is robbing the matheticians, musicians, artists, and information producers of the last 500-1000 years of their right to control our access to it.
Libaries need to be outlawed too, i mean if we allow access to free books, it robs the makers of these books of money they deserve.
Oh and lets not forget, the scientists like einstien, his theory or relativity should be SOLD, not given away for free!! Scientists shouldnt release the super string theory, or the big bang theory, it should be sold in stores so only people who are rich enough to afford it can become smart scientists.
You know what? Sure you guys think I am joking, and maybe I am, but if information is controlled, Education is impossible.
How can someone learn to program without a book to teach them C?
Should the creators of C sue all of the free C tutorials all over the net?
How about open source be outlawed next?
You see how it all sounds? Thats where control of information leads to, absolutely no freedom.
you reviewing a movie is stealing from the actors like tom cruise and dennis hopper. These guys are starving in the streets because you reviewed their movie revealing their plot, causing millions of people not to go to the movies anymore!!! Movie sales are way down due to sites like slashdot.
Yeah its not a law yet, but do you really think this couldnt apply? After all, mp3s arent 100 percent digitally perfect conversations, and neither is turning a movie into a text file, not only that but, is it not your right of free speech and expression to do whatever you want with the information you consume? Even share it?
So why when its digital information, the rights of the offline world dont apply anymore? I say fuck that, we deserve the right of free speech and expression in the digital world, because eventually the digital world will be the offline world, and we dont want our children to grow up in a nazi facist RIAA ruled information economy where all the information is controlled by corperations and people all have to fight for information.
It makes sense to fight for physical objects, but to fight, compete for and attempt to own information in an information based society? Thats just fucking silly.
Humans produces information at unlimited amounts, the population keeps growing, you have the third world who needs this information and who could contribute so much to the world, yet we want to hold this information back and keep it to ourselves, or not us, but the top 1% so they can continue to rule the world through censorship.
This is as bad as China, Nazi Germany, Russia, etc.
Your choice, let some CEO decide how you can use what you paid for and own. Or you decide how you can use what you paid for and own.
I think of it this way, if I pay money for something, I can do any damn thing i want with it, If I buy a Cd and decide to use it as a frizby then so be it, if I decide to break it into peices and feed it to my dog so be it, ITS MY CD.
They own the right to sell it, but once i buy it its MINE. I can copy the information off of it, that information is also mine, they own the right to sell it, but i can share it if i want to!
If you were playing a CD on your stereo and invited friends over, and its against the law to let anyone besides you listen to that CD, should speakers by outlawed because they allow you to break the DMCA or whatever stupid law is in place? Should you tell your friends that they cant listen to the music with you? Hell clubs and raves should be outlawed too, after all these people are all stealing sound. hey dont forget the people who share TV sets, all of them are evil paracite pirates who are stealing from tom cruise and keanu reeves.
Oh and dont even think about trying to draw your favorite cartoon character or comic, thats against the law too.
you believe its wrong to download mp3s? stop doing it then. Join the RIAA, oh right, you are doing it out of selfishness.
This is the same thin that motivates the RIAA and MPAA, selfishness, they want to save money so they can buy a new yacht and another mansion. You want to save your gas.
Whatever, you are as disgusting as they are.
To me, its about freedom. When I buy something, I want to OWN whatever I buy, its MINE. The information while on CD, ok fine, they can claim they own that, but if i find a way to copy this i nformation onto a device I own, like my computer, these 1s and 0s are MINE, I own it now.
If i copy some artwork by drawing say wolverine on paper using a comic book for refrence, the wolverine picture i drew is still mine, while i dont have the right to sell my own version of a wolverine comic book because thats stealing money from the original maker of wolverine, I do believe i have the right to copy wolverine any time i want, i should be able to do any damn thing i want with that comic book, even use it as tissue to wipe my ass if i choose.
Its this simple, they own the product, meaning the right to sell comic books based on the xmen and wolverine information, but they do NOT own the information itself, just the right to sell it.
THAT is what I believe, this allows them to make money, yet gives me fair use.
But how much are they getting paid? Billions? So you'd rather they rob the musicians instead of us?
Face it, at least if we rob the musicians, musicians have a better chance of getting rich and making money. If their music is really that good, more people will pay for their service to make more. more people will go to their concerts, more people will buy their fancy high quality DVD with their videos on it even though you can record low quality videos on MTV.
You see, when someone makes revolutionary music, people are very willing to pay money. People shouldnt pay money for trash like britney spears, if you want to pay money to some fake musicians with no talent in the current system go ahead.
In the new system at least we will know the musicians who do get paid deserve every penny.
You buy comic books, and say you draw wolverine, the Xman character on paper, you are learning to draw and you begin to appreciate art, eventually you grow up to become the best artist the world has ever known.
This is one possibility.
Now, lets take another look at it, from another view point. Imagine buying a comic book with a timer on it. This timer tells you how much time precisely you have to read it after its opened.
You open the comic book, you read it as fast as you can to beat the timer, after the time is up, everything erases, this is so you cannot share the information in this comic book, this prevents you from ever having a refrence point to learn to draw, from ever becoming an artist. To make it even more extreme, imagine this book could only be read when your registered finger prints were on the book, any imagine that when your prints are on any book that you are automatically being charged for the purchase.
Imagine now, someone invents a machine, which allows them to randomly generate comic style artwork from just scanning one image of wolverine into a computer, imagine then people using these machines to not only share comic books, but to create new comic books. Then imagine the original comic book company suing the makers of this machine for giving art back to the people who for a long time had to pay $20-30 a comic book, a book which they were timed for how long they could read.
Now lets bring it to the most extreme, imagine it being illegal for people who read these books and decide to share it online by repeating the story from memory and using the comic art generator software being thrown in jail.
Ah so people should be thrown in jail so a richer group of people who have a monopoly can maintain it? Even if just as much money can be made by advancing the industry via software generated artwork and a new group of artists who create art for fun?
Thats something to think about. Seriously. Because this situation WILL happen in our lifetimes and we will be forced to choose, money, or freedom.
Do you want to control the art? or is art just about money now?
Imagine someone saying you cannot repeat something, sure the government says stuff like this, but imagine them saying you cannot repeat something you legally purchased.
Say you legally purchase a book, imagine someone saying you cannot read it outloud.
Right now the law has to make a decision. When we buy information, do we in term OWN that information, and if we own it, we should get fair use, meaning the ability to do whatever we want with the information we own.;
Or, when we buy information, are we treating it as food, we consume it and then must burn the documents,.
Face it, information cannot be and never will be consumable, it will always be free flowing, and just like the constitution protects speech offline, it should protect it online.
We should have rights.
Imagine 2020, when reading a book outloud is illegal, playing a song on a stereo in public is illegal, watching tv with your family is illegal. imagine not being able to tell someone what a book you read is about, imagine not being able to talk about the movie you just saw, to write it down and to review it.
When you treat information as you treat a precious and very limited resource like say oil, instead of as it naturally is, free flowing and inexhaustable like water, well you have unfair laws.
Now i admit, i'm on the side that information should bee free, and not free as in price but free as in freedom, sure someone should still buy the books, someone should still buy the cds or pay for access to this information, but once you access it you should bee free to do whatever you want with it, even share it unless its designed in such a way that you cant.
If the record companies and music industry people cant design something people cant share, they have no right to harrass peopel for sharing it, its like creating the copying machine, and then sueing everyone who buys books and uses your copying machine.
Face it, when people can copy they will, industries should stop fighting the nature of information and technology, and adapt.
Theres 2 options, fight the technology and create truely draconian laws which will just waste about 30 years of innovation and information until our children have some sorta revolution,
Or we can stop it now. I say we should slowly adapt with the technology instead of fighting it, we should create a new constitution which applies to digital information, technology, and base this off of the original constitution
free speech in the digital world, is open source, napster, and this means COMPLETE control over OUR 1s and 0s, yes OUR 1s and 0s.
If we can turn your physical object into 1s and 0s, its ours.
Between left wing pacifists(also known as liberals) who believe in peace and love, who are against war, and whos focus is to try to understand everyone including the enemy. This side wishes to have a government in place to ensure equality and fight oppression.
Then on the right wing you have the certain values which they will go to war over (fight against communism) kill over, die over, and this side has a more survival of the fittest attitude, more individualist, anti government.
You see, if we go to either extreme it could be bad, too much equality and government well, that would become socialism, and theres nothing wrong with socialism for an advanced society, but in a society which is not ready for it, socialism can be abused. Socialism can only be successful in a very high tech and highly educated society. Such as an information society, and our technology if you havent noticed is leading us slowly toward socialism, bringing everyone together, making everyone share, and act more as a group.
Currently, however, because we dont have unlimited food, water, resources etc (even if we will soon) its still survival of the fittest through competition. The point is, until we have unlimited resources, competition and individualism is the only way to figure out who gets what, and how much they get.
When the time comes when our technology makes it so everyone can live like a king, eventually we will become socialism, simply because it wont make as much sense anymore to fight over resources.
Think of it in terms of computer technology, we can fight it with DMCA and other laws to block peer to peer and keep people from sharing, we can outlaw open source to keep people competiting with each other instead of working as a team, but it literally makes no sense to do this, if this is where the technology leads.
Technology leads to socialism, capitalism eventually becomes socialism, right now we are at the crossroads, people arent going to compete when everyone via socialism can have everything they need.
no one said it would be easy! Sure its hard, but is it possible? Yes. So if you dont want this law to pass, no matter how hard the mission is to accomplish, it wont matter, the benifits outweight the difficulity.
I'm sure some people here have the means to start a non profit.
Because the Democrats could do the same thing using Enron and other companies. You act like only the Democrats are puppets. Doing that would be commiting suicide for the republicians because the democrats will do the same thing, and both sides will lose out to a third party.
Someone set up a non profit of some sort, allow us to donate money, I'll donate $5, everyone here donate $5, then when morpues and others go down we link to that site, millions donate $5, next thing you know we will have millions of dollars.
We use this money to create ads, the ads will tell the public whats going on, how they wont have freedom on their computer anymore. Put the ads on MTV, and on shows college kids watch, let them start a real grassroots movement.
We need a fund, slashdot or some group can setup a fund so we can all donate 10 bucks or so, to a fund, this money money will be used for advertisements. Instead of petitions we need donations which advertise our point of view to the public and tell the public which politicians are on our side and which arent.
We can raise the money online, through rallies, etc etc
We can get this money. It takes a group to colllect the money, a banner for hundreds or thousands of sites to post all over the web linking to this, and just hang the banner on your site. And of course IRL donations
The republicans however arent as educated evil. Bush and his friends dont really know how to handle technology at all, then you have the democrats who understand the technology but want to control it like China.
Both sides are wrong, we dont really have a side which understands the technology yet understands our rights. We need a new party in government.
I have XP and Linux, that has nothing to do with using IE, people who use IE usually dont have alot of experience with open source, linux, or anything of the sort.
I'm betting taco is an IE using Windows only kinda guy.
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Thats right, because giving uneducated peoplee access to information without them paying for it, is robbing the matheticians, musicians, artists, and information producers of the last 500-1000 years of their right to control our access to it.
Libaries need to be outlawed too, i mean if we allow access to free books, it robs the makers of these books of money they deserve.
Oh and lets not forget, the scientists like einstien, his theory or relativity should be SOLD, not given away for free!! Scientists shouldnt release the super string theory, or the big bang theory, it should be sold in stores so only people who are rich enough to afford it can become smart scientists.
You know what? Sure you guys think I am joking, and maybe I am, but if information is controlled, Education is impossible.
How can someone learn to program without a book to teach them C?
Should the creators of C sue all of the free C tutorials all over the net?
How about open source be outlawed next?
You see how it all sounds? Thats where control of information leads to, absolutely no freedom.
You know why? Its illegal!
you reviewing a movie is stealing from the actors like tom cruise and dennis hopper. These guys are starving in the streets because you reviewed their movie revealing their plot, causing millions of people not to go to the movies anymore!!! Movie sales are way down due to sites like slashdot.
Yeah its not a law yet, but do you really think this couldnt apply? After all, mp3s arent 100 percent digitally perfect conversations, and neither is turning a movie into a text file, not only that but, is it not your right of free speech and expression to do whatever you want with the information you consume? Even share it?
So why when its digital information, the rights of the offline world dont apply anymore? I say fuck that, we deserve the right of free speech and expression in the digital world, because eventually the digital world will be the offline world, and we dont want our children to grow up in a nazi facist RIAA ruled information economy where all the information is controlled by corperations and people all have to fight for information.
It makes sense to fight for physical objects, but to fight, compete for and attempt to own information in an information based society? Thats just fucking silly.
Humans produces information at unlimited amounts, the population keeps growing, you have the third world who needs this information and who could contribute so much to the world, yet we want to hold this information back and keep it to ourselves, or not us, but the top 1% so they can continue to rule the world through censorship.
This is as bad as China, Nazi Germany, Russia, etc.
Your choice, let some CEO decide how you can use what you paid for and own. Or you decide how you can use what you paid for and own.
I think of it this way, if I pay money for something, I can do any damn thing i want with it, If I buy a Cd and decide to use it as a frizby then so be it, if I decide to break it into peices and feed it to my dog so be it, ITS MY CD.
They own the right to sell it, but once i buy it its MINE.
I can copy the information off of it, that information is also mine, they own the right to sell it, but i can share it if i want to!
If you were playing a CD on your stereo and invited friends over, and its against the law to let anyone besides you listen to that CD, should speakers by outlawed because they allow you to break the DMCA or whatever stupid law is in place? Should you tell your friends that they cant listen to the music with you? Hell clubs and raves should be outlawed too, after all these people are all stealing sound. hey dont forget the people who share TV sets, all of them are evil paracite pirates who are stealing from tom cruise and keanu reeves.
Oh and dont even think about trying to draw your favorite cartoon character or comic, thats against the law too.
you believe its wrong to download mp3s? stop doing it then. Join the RIAA, oh right, you are doing it out of selfishness.
This is the same thin that motivates the RIAA and MPAA, selfishness, they want to save money so they can buy a new yacht and another mansion. You want to save your gas.
Whatever, you are as disgusting as they are.
To me, its about freedom. When I buy something, I want to OWN whatever I buy, its MINE. The information while on CD, ok fine, they can claim they own that, but if i find a way to copy this i nformation onto a device I own, like my computer, these 1s and 0s are MINE, I own it now.
If i copy some artwork by drawing say wolverine on paper using a comic book for refrence, the wolverine picture i drew is still mine, while i dont have the right to sell my own version of a wolverine comic book because thats stealing money from the original maker of wolverine, I do believe i have the right to copy wolverine any time i want, i should be able to do any damn thing i want with that comic book, even use it as tissue to wipe my ass if i choose.
Its this simple, they own the product, meaning the right to sell comic books based on the xmen and wolverine information, but they do NOT own the information itself, just the right to sell it.
THAT is what I believe, this allows them to make money, yet gives me fair use.
This is freedom, and what I fight for.
actually we are fighting freedom,, kinda like the slaves were.
But how much are they getting paid? Billions?
So you'd rather they rob the musicians instead of us?
Face it, at least if we rob the musicians, musicians have a better chance of getting rich and making money. If their music is really that good, more people will pay for their service to make more. more people will go to their concerts, more people will buy their fancy high quality DVD with their videos on it even though you can record low quality videos on MTV.
You see, when someone makes revolutionary music, people are very willing to pay money. People shouldnt pay money for trash like britney spears, if you want to pay money to some fake musicians with no talent in the current system go ahead.
In the new system at least we will know the musicians who do get paid deserve every penny.
If you were an artist, well lets assume you are.
You buy comic books, and say you draw wolverine, the Xman character on paper, you are learning to draw and you begin to appreciate art, eventually you grow up to become the best artist the world has ever known.
This is one possibility.
Now, lets take another look at it, from another view point. Imagine buying a comic book with a timer on it. This timer tells you how much time precisely you have to read it after its opened.
You open the comic book, you read it as fast as you can to beat the timer, after the time is up, everything erases, this is so you cannot share the information in this comic book, this prevents you from ever having a refrence point to learn to draw, from ever becoming an artist. To make it even more extreme, imagine this book could only be read when your registered finger prints were on the book, any imagine that when your prints are on any book that you are automatically being charged for the purchase.
Imagine now, someone invents a machine, which allows them to randomly generate comic style artwork from just scanning one image of wolverine into a computer, imagine then people using these machines to not only share comic books, but to create new comic books. Then imagine the original comic book company suing the makers of this machine for giving art back to the people who for a long time had to pay $20-30 a comic book, a book which they were timed for how long they could read.
Now lets bring it to the most extreme, imagine it being illegal for people who read these books and decide to share it online by repeating the story from memory and using the comic art generator software being thrown in jail.
Ah so people should be thrown in jail so a richer group of people who have a monopoly can maintain it? Even if just as much money can be made by advancing the industry via software generated artwork and a new group of artists who create art for fun?
Thats something to think about. Seriously. Because this situation WILL happen in our lifetimes and we will be forced to choose, money, or freedom.
Do you want to control the art? or is art just about money now?
Digital copying is an extention of free speech.
Imagine someone saying you cannot repeat something, sure the government says stuff like this, but imagine them saying you cannot repeat something you legally purchased.
Say you legally purchase a book, imagine someone saying you cannot read it outloud.
Right now the law has to make a decision. When we buy information, do we in term OWN that information, and if we own it, we should get fair use, meaning the ability to do whatever we want with the information we own.;
Or, when we buy information, are we treating it as food, we consume it and then must burn the documents,.
Face it, information cannot be and never will be consumable, it will always be free flowing, and just like the constitution protects speech offline, it should protect it online.
We should have rights.
Imagine 2020, when reading a book outloud is illegal, playing a song on a stereo in public is illegal, watching tv with your family is illegal. imagine not being able to tell someone what a book you read is about, imagine not being able to talk about the movie you just saw, to write it down and to review it.
When you treat information as you treat a precious and very limited resource like say oil, instead of as it naturally is, free flowing and inexhaustable like water, well you have unfair laws.
Now i admit, i'm on the side that information should bee free, and not free as in price but free as in freedom, sure someone should still buy the books, someone should still buy the cds or pay for access to this information, but once you access it you should bee free to do whatever you want with it, even share it unless its designed in such a way that you cant.
If the record companies and music industry people cant design something people cant share, they have no right to harrass peopel for sharing it, its like creating the copying machine, and then sueing everyone who buys books and uses your copying machine.
Face it, when people can copy they will, industries should stop fighting the nature of information and technology, and adapt.
Theres 2 options, fight the technology and create truely draconian laws which will just waste about 30 years of innovation and information until our children have some sorta revolution,
Or we can stop it now. I say we should slowly adapt with the technology instead of fighting it, we should create a new constitution which applies to digital information, technology, and base this off of the original constitution
free speech in the digital world, is open source, napster, and this means COMPLETE control over OUR 1s and 0s, yes OUR 1s and 0s.
If we can turn your physical object into 1s and 0s, its ours.
Between left wing pacifists(also known as liberals) who believe in peace and love, who are against war, and whos focus is to try to understand everyone including the enemy. This side wishes to have a government in place to ensure equality and fight oppression.
Then on the right wing you have the certain values which they will go to war over (fight against communism) kill over, die over, and this side has a more survival of the fittest attitude, more individualist, anti government.
You see, if we go to either extreme it could be bad, too much equality and government well, that would become socialism, and theres nothing wrong with socialism for an advanced society, but in a society which is not ready for it, socialism can be abused. Socialism can only be successful in a very high tech and highly educated society. Such as an information society, and our technology if you havent noticed is leading us slowly toward socialism, bringing everyone together, making everyone share, and act more as a group.
Currently, however, because we dont have unlimited food, water, resources etc (even if we will soon) its still survival of the fittest through competition. The point is, until we have unlimited resources, competition and individualism is the only way to figure out who gets what, and how much they get.
When the time comes when our technology makes it so everyone can live like a king, eventually we will become socialism, simply because it wont make as much sense anymore to fight over resources.
Think of it in terms of computer technology, we can fight it with DMCA and other laws to block peer to peer and keep people from sharing, we can outlaw open source to keep people competiting with each other instead of working as a team, but it literally makes no sense to do this, if this is where the technology leads.
Technology leads to socialism, capitalism eventually becomes socialism, right now we are at the crossroads, people arent going to compete when everyone via socialism can have everything they need.
I hope they go out of business along with disney
no one said it would be easy! Sure its hard, but is it possible? Yes. So if you dont want this law to pass, no matter how hard the mission is to accomplish, it wont matter, the benifits outweight the difficulity.
I'm sure some people here have the means to start a non profit.
these orgs dont pay for ads
When we protest, they'll call us unAmerican communists, with pictures of nazis and hitler on channels like MTV and so on.
Just like the "Dont do drugs or support terrorism "commercials.
Sure we should support eff, but we still need to advertise.
We need someone to step up who has a popular website to do this. Slashdot maybe? **hint**
Libertarian, another name for anarchist
Because the Democrats could do the same thing using Enron and other companies. You act like only the Democrats are puppets. Doing that would be commiting suicide for the republicians because the democrats will do the same thing, and both sides will lose out to a third party.
Republicans and Democrats are puppets, republicans are owned by diffrent groups thats all, Oil companies and lawfirms own the republians.
Someone set up a non profit of some sort, allow us to donate money, I'll donate $5, everyone here donate $5, then when morpues and others go down we link to that site, millions donate $5, next thing you know we will have millions of dollars.
We use this money to create ads, the ads will tell the public whats going on, how they wont have freedom on their computer anymore. Put the ads on MTV, and on shows college kids watch, let them start a real grassroots movement.
We just need to get the word out.
We need a fund, slashdot or some group can setup a fund so we can all donate 10 bucks or so, to a fund, this money money will be used for advertisements. Instead of petitions we need donations which advertise our point of view to the public and tell the public which politicians are on our side and which arent.
We can raise the money online, through rallies, etc etc
We can get this money. It takes a group to colllect the money, a banner for hundreds or thousands of sites to post all over the web linking to this, and just hang the banner on your site. And of course IRL donations
money needs to be spent on ads
why wont intel and others help pay for these ads?
The republicans however arent as educated evil.
Bush and his friends dont really know how to handle technology at all, then you have the democrats who understand the technology but want to control it like China.
Both sides are wrong, we dont really have a side which understands the technology yet understands our rights. We need a new party in government.
Haha I'm only saying this to piss off right wing extremist types who blame this on the democrats.
Since slashdot is very right wing, expect me to get modded as troll, flamebaiter, etc etc.
Bring it on, i have 50 Karma
Its called advertising.
They are trying to switch Netscape users to Internet Explorer and i bet Microsoft paid them to do it.
You dont see a Link to download Netscape.
I have XP and Linux, that has nothing to do with using IE, people who use IE usually dont have alot of experience with open source, linux, or anything of the sort.
I'm betting taco is an IE using Windows only kinda guy.