When someone finds an escape from YOU, and the real world, if you remove their one escape from you, You'll essentially make their life living hell.
This guy commited suicide not because of his escape, but because of his emotional instability.
Everyone needs an escape, perhaps he had nothing else which he enjoyed more than that game
You have to understand everyone deals with life diffrently, yes its stupid to spend all your time playing a game when you are 21 years old
but when you are a teenager, or at least when i was, thats all i would do. Play video games, watch tv, and go to school.
Eventually it became, Computer, and go to school,
Now I'm 21, Its work,study, computer, and go to school where theres more computers.
This kid, unlike me, did not make the transition from fantasy to reality, what i did was used my fantasy escape to modify my reality, and base my reality around that fantasy.
I liked computers, i liked games, i'll make a career in computers, and go to school for computers, use computers to motivate me to be successful, and work with computers and get paid.
I admit, you can say i have no life, because i do the same thing every day, but i know people with lives much worse, some people work doing a job they hate, every day, and then go to a second job and do it again, then sleep.
When i look at people living worse than I am, I start to think things arent as bad as they could be.
most depressed people arent depressed because of a chemical imbalance, theres reasons. yes some people are depressed because they are genetically designed to be depressed, but i'd say only about 10 percent of the people who get treatment for depression have chemical problems.
Most depressed people simply have, difficult lives, life is depressing, thats just reality, pills do not solve life problems, doctors tried the pill crap on me and it never solved a damn thing, i'm not going to change myself because of some pill because i dont believe I'm the problem, i believe the world is the problem.
If i am not social, its because i dont like people, its not because i hate myself or because ive got some chemical imbalance.
If i play a game all day, its because i like the game, and because the game is more fun than all the other alternatives in the real world.
Lets see, School, Work, being harrassed by annoying immature people all day, dealing with family, or the game.
Well, I guess its easy to see why someone would choose a game. The real world just is not much fun.
Age has nothing to do with Maturity. I know people in their 40s, even their 60s who are less mature than me, and I know people who are younger than me who are more mature.
Learning right from wrong happens when you learn to think for yourself, everyone becomes aware at a diffrent age, some never become aware.
The keys to deciding right and wrong. Cause and Effect, understanding responsibility, understanding that other people have feelings too.
I'll explain the basic rules.
Never do to someone else what you would not want done to yourself.
Never deliberately cause harm to anyone else.
Be aware of everything you do, and the effects which they can cause, because the world is like an ocean, everything you do creates waves, and some waves can have devistating effects.
Be true to yourself, this means never lie to yourself.
These are basic rules, a 15 year old can learn them, I started to become aware at 15, I learned the basic rules, by 18 I was following these rules completely, I learned to not let others think for me, I learned that what I think of myself matters not what everyone else thinks of me, I learned to respect everyone even those who I do not like unless they disprespect me or others who I respect.
The rules are simple, age has nothing to do with it, just like theres some kids who are math genius's at 12, and theres some kids who get degrees at 14, Some people learn right from wrong and mature.
I didnt mature until around 18, but i learned the rules of right and wrong at 15. It took me a while to follow them, at 15-16-17 I was still a kid, trying to have fun, i knew the rules, and I obeyed them, but I was still a kid in how i was thinking.
18 I began thinking like a man, because at that time I was not only aware of my inner self, but I had awareness of others.
Now I am 21, while most people are out partying, I'm studying, I know who and who not to hang with because I'm aware of people outside of myself, I know if you hang with the wrong crowd, it can have an effect on you.
I'm not going to explain my whole life philosophy to you, It will only confuse you unless YOU are actually on my level and mature enough to grasp what I'm saying.
The main point is, age has nothing to do with it,
Older people act immature as hell, getting in fights, trying to put on a show for women, self centered types, and so on and so forth. Ignorance isnt an age thing, emotional and mental maturity is not an age thing, age creates wisdom, but it doesnt mean the mind is capable of understanding the knowledge it gathers.
I could easily say, going to work everyday and posting on slashdot is a waste of life, I could say the only way to enjoy life is to go to raves and parties every night.
Who am I tell other people how to spend their lives?
Its people like you, constantly telling this weak minded person that their lifes a waste, that most likely caused this guy to commit suicide in the first place.
Imagine everyone telling you how you are wasting your life because you refuse to live like they do, lets see, doctors, teachers, people like you, your own mother, a weak minded person can easily be influenced by other people and might commit suicide.
My advice to you, never tell anyone their life is a waste.
I bet i've had a more difficult life than most people here.
Not everyone has a breaking point. When I was a kid, I did think about suicide once, the reason i thought about it was because at that time, i believed there was a heaven, and life after death and all that crap.
This was programming from my PARENTS.
When I learned to think for myself, I realized this is the only life I have, the only life i'll ever have, and that I'm never going to allow ANYONE to take it away.
I dont believe in suicide, you see, If you believe theres a heaven, then it sorta makes this life pointless, theres an escape, why not take it?
But if you dont believe theres anything else as most educated people begin to realize, then you learn to make the best out of what you have, because there is NO escape, theres no other option.
People who want to end their life because their lives are difficult, are weak. They let the world and society drive them to suicide.They give up, they quit.
Its not in my nature to do that. Besides, my fear of death will keep me from ever commiting suicide, while i may learn to dislike this life, its the only life i've got, or ever will have, so better to have a life you dont like than no life at all.
Its not how hard your life is, theres lots of people who have hard lives who never commit suicide, its not how much you've been bullied or how society treats you, its how strong or weak you are inside which decides if you will be suicidal or not.
Suicidal is a state of mind, as is murder, and its not a normal state of mind, not everyone can be suicidal just like not everyonne can be a murderer, a serial killer, etc. Diffrent people think diffrently, some people dont think for themselves at all, religion can easily program someone into being suicidal, the books all say theres an after life, a heaven, a better place than this, so why stay here if you dont like it?
When you learn to think for yourself instead of listen to others, then you decide if theres life after death or not, and if you think theres not, then you'll value life more because you realize that you'll never get another chance, anyone or anything you kill will never get another chance, you understand that death is final and you wont like death anymore, you wont murder, and you wont be suicidal
Some people recognize this fact, but kill anyway because they hate, once again not everyone hates, only certain people hate, everyone dislikes, certain ones hate.
Extremes are not normal, and no one can drive you to extremes if you arent programmed for it, or if you dont believe in it.
Thats bullshit, My parents may have taught me right from wrong, but when i got a certain age (around 15) I began to think for myself, I figured out what REALLY was right and wrong.
This kid if hes 21 and cant think for himself was just a useless sheep anyway.
I mean if someone can tell you to kill yourself and you listen. or someone can tell you to do drugs and you do it, if someone tells you to kill someone, or jump off a roof for fun, and you get in trouble or die
Its your fucking fault, not theirs, its your fault for not thinking for yourself.
Now i agree, parents shouldnt give kids guns and stuff like that, but thats because i dont think all kids know right from wrong.
When i was his age, i sat in front of a computer 12 hours a day, hell i still do it now sometimes.
People should do whatever makes them happy, you cannot tell other people how they are supposed to live, this guy wanted to kill himself, he has every right to end his life if he didnt like it.
If you want to blame someone, you can blame christianity for teaching people theres an afterlife, how about you blame islam for creating terrorists eh?
Go ahead. Put the blame on books that are thousands of years old
Help is usually a bunch of pills, doctors tried to give me pills
pills dont help they hide.
The only way to help, is for you to be strong and help yourself. Getting help is just sitting talking to someone whos paid to listen to you, this guy had the net, so he had people willing to listen to him, he didnt use it. He had everquest for his escape, he didnt use it
When someone commits suicide its never anyones fault but their own.
No one can ever drive anyone or force anyone into suicide, suicide is a specific state of mind that SOME not ALL people go through;.Not everyones a manic depressed person, not everyone has bipolar disorder, and even out of the ones who do, not all of them are willing to harm themselves or anyone else because not everyone is violent.
Weaker people who cant handle life and reality, commit suicide. I'm not the strongest perosn on the planet, but i'm not suicidal, i dont even believe in the concept of suicide
You cant blame the parents if a kid is violent and murders someone else, you cant blame the parents if the kid kills himself, thats just a disturbed kid,
When i was a kid, i did the same thing, played games all the damn time, and I never commited suicide, parents dont kill kids, games dont kill kids, KIDS kill KIDS.
Dont blame it on the games, dont blame it on the parents, unless the parent put the gun in the kids hand and told assisted.
I think when i pay for something, I should be able to use it any way i want, if i change it into a diffrent form of information like 1s and 0s, its not longer the original product and therefore i can distribute it.
If you have a program, and you have a compiled binary and its source code. But people say "Look but dont touch" and its that shared source bullshit, "Touch but dont share"
Well then, wheres your freedom?
That's fine, that's covered by regular "home use", and it's something you've paid for. What you can't do is charge for admission. That's "commercial use". You also can't redistribute the music for other people to make their own copies of it - that's redistribution.
I'm not talking about the law here, I'm talking about right and wrong. Its right for us the consumer to completely control distribution. Its also fair for the artist to get 100 percent all the profits. Meaning i dont think its right for a consumer to sell something created by artist X. I do think its right for a consumer to share, copy, or do whatever they want, because no money is changing hands here, the people you are sharing it with obviously wouldnt buy it in the first place, anyone who is going to buy it are the ones sharing it usually, those are the fans.
Believe it or not, clubs and raves have to pay pretty hefty prices to do what they do. They do not just go to Rhino Records and pick out some tunes. They pay thousands of dollars per year to ASCAP and BMI, organisations who (purportedly) then compensate the copyright holders. So your analogy doesn't hold up. Its morally right to share. Greed is morally wrong, But this fucking country's system be it law, or the capitalist system, rewards GREED!
I'm sorry, but I can not support a law which I do not agree with morally, its like supporting capital punishment.
Copyright is like Capital Punishment because alot of people are dying over medical patents, cant afford medicines which could be given to them for free over some patent bullshit.
Patents only help the rich CEOs at these big music companies. Musicians arent all rich, most are poor as hell, Musicians make pennies per CD, this just isnt working, Musicians and Consumers arent satisfied, People are dying in other countries, and the only ones who like patents and copyright are the people who own them and are making a fortune from them.
Programmers hate copyright and patents thus we have open source movement.
Consumers hate copyright and patents thus we have napster, gnutella, etc.
Radio broadcasters on the net hate copyright and patents, thats why they protest the laws wit it.
So I'm going to assume, about 80 percent of the population is against copyright and patents, for some reason or another, but they are too confused to do anything about it, or they cant do anything about it.
IN a democracy, you do what the people want, not what the corperations want, not what the politicians want. IF we were a democracy, people would vote, and the patent system would be gone. Because theres more of us who dont have patents and copyrights, or who dont benifit from them, than the few guys in suits who do. Who do you think would win in a vote? And if you make it a world vote, it would be silly to see 6 billion people all vote against copyright and maybe a million people support it, not even 1% of the world population.
This is about whats right and whats wrong, its about what the people want, the consumers, the programmers, the artists and musicians want, not about how to give corperations and rich guys what they want.
Before someone does something like copies a book, or a picture, or draws the notes to a famous song on the paper, hell infinite possibilities, even writes down the source code.
If the government and record companies are allowed to tell us, what we can and cannot do with our hardware, what we can and cannot write, what we can and cannot run,
They are taking away our ability to express ourselves via computer.
If it were a pen and paper, and someone said you cant draw this because this drawing is under copyright,they'd be removing your freedom as an artist.
If someone said you cant write this code because of a law, they are taking your freedom as a programmer.
If you write a program, which allows people to copy information from a physical source and digitalize it, when in digital form, its 1s and 0s, its no longer the original.
Why the hell should we treat it as if its the original work? Its now OURS. We made it, sure we made this new digital work from someone elses work but everyone makes everything from someone elses idea.
Fact is, no group of people, no person, no one should be able to control how the masses uses their computer
If we use it to generate information and that information happens to benifit the world, so be it.
Second, alot of people here must like governments ruling over you, while i'm not a republican or anarchist, in some situations, I understand why we dont need government to control us.
Government should enforce laws, not control us. not control information. As long as we dont use our computers to harm anyone, then its free expression in my mind.Record companies need to join the digital age, and learn how to start a real business instead of fighting to protect an obsolete business and obsolete technology
You own the hardware correct? What gives the RIAA, DMCA, or anyone the right to tell you, what information you can and cannot put into your computer, how you can and cannot use your computer, what patterns of 1s and 0s you can and cannot run, what source code you can and cannot write.
Its fucking censorship, theres no way around this.
Someone had to buy the music for you to get a copy of it, or copy it in the first place. So all of these people who claim music can never make money unless its sold as a product, are silly as hell.
Someone always has to buy it no matter how its distributed it.
If you take a pencil and you draw a picture of wolverine from a comic book, you are doing the same thing as you are doing when you rip a song from an CD and onto mp3.
The only diffrence is, instead of the computer and burner, you are using the pencil.
Should the pencil have copy right protections built into it? or how about the paper? is it not yourr freedom of expression to draw what you want on the paper?
If i translate something into computer language, I now own it, because its NOT the original work.
Not only that, but if I buy something, I OWN what i buy, not the rights to use what I buy.
Third, If I buy something, I have the right to do anything i want with it no matter what it is.
Sure this isnt the law, but its morally right. The people deserve to OWN what they but, and do whatever they want with what they own, businesses who steal money from consumers by tricking them into thinking they own something they dont, should cease to exsist and be replaced with more honest businesses.
Shit like that reminds me of microsoft saying windows comes free with your computer, and millions of people believing it.
Or AOLs 10,000 free hours in 30 days, I bet there isnt even 10,000 hours in 30 days.
No ones being harmed or threatened here. This is one group of people, who are restricting the speech and expression of the masses, in this case, its restricting the masses from using the technology to express themselves freely.
Technology which harms no one and helps everyone EXCEPT the exclusive group who are trying to stop it.
This country was not built to protect big companies, it was built to give freedom to the people. Right now big companies are trying to take freedom from the people in the name of profit. That is not what this country was based on at all, if it were, we'd still be buying tea from the british because it helps them profit.
Think about it, these idiotic statements are some of the same statements made by people in the past.
Discussing math and algorithms is just as illegal as copying a song to mp3 and sharing it.
You see, unless you discuss it with your lips, its illegal, discussing it with text using a computer is not manually discussing it with your lips thus not protected by free speech.
The computer should be given all of our rights because its a technology which EXTENDS our speech. Its a damn communications device not a toy.
A computer allows us to speak to more people, faster, As computers become more and more important, someday computers will be used for 99 percent of all our speech, if our speech isnt protected on computers, then if not us, our children have lost the right to free speech.
Yet the founders of this country, you are telling me, did NOT intend for us to steal music?
Yeah ok, the founders of this country left europe because of stupid laws like the DMCA, they set up this country to make sure we as people always have freedom. Not freedom for the big companies.
If big companies are losing money due to "stealing" of information they own, perhaps they need to figure out a new way to make money, or go out of business, they arent needed anymore, distribution is free now, the consumer can distribute better than they can, musicians wont make any more or less money either way, consumers will save a fortune
Look, its as simple as this, controlling information and restricting it from the mass, is censorship, its no diffrent than china controlling the internet.
If you think the USA was built on this concept, perhaps you should think about moving to china, where censorship is more common.
Censorship sucks, the USA is a hypocrite nation telling other countries to not censor anything, yet they censor information more than any other country.
Tell me how its any diffrent than using your computer to do the same thing? Oh i get it, so if you manually copy something, its alright and legal, but if you used an automated process or machine to do it, its illegal?
Copying is copying. Speaking of an idea which is owned by someone else or reciting someone elses song "Karoke" is no diffrent than turning a song into an mp3.
Neither are 100 percent perfect quality, both are copies of the information however.
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When someone finds an escape from YOU, and the real world, if you remove their one escape from you, You'll essentially make their life living hell.
This guy commited suicide not because of his escape, but because of his emotional instability.
Everyone needs an escape, perhaps he had nothing else which he enjoyed more than that game
You have to understand everyone deals with life diffrently, yes its stupid to spend all your time playing a game when you are 21 years old
but when you are a teenager, or at least when i was, thats all i would do. Play video games, watch tv, and go to school.
Eventually it became, Computer, and go to school,
Now I'm 21, Its work,study, computer, and go to school where theres more computers.
This kid, unlike me, did not make the transition from fantasy to reality, what i did was used my fantasy escape to modify my reality, and base my reality around that fantasy.
I liked computers, i liked games, i'll make a career in computers, and go to school for computers, use computers to motivate me to be successful, and work with computers and get paid.
I admit, you can say i have no life, because i do the same thing every day, but i know people with lives much worse, some people work doing a job they hate, every day, and then go to a second job and do it again, then sleep.
When i look at people living worse than I am, I start to think things arent as bad as they could be.
most depressed people arent depressed because of a chemical imbalance, theres reasons.
yes some people are depressed because they are genetically designed to be depressed, but i'd say only about 10 percent of the people who get treatment for depression have chemical problems.
Most depressed people simply have, difficult lives, life is depressing, thats just reality, pills do not solve life problems, doctors tried the pill crap on me and it never solved a damn thing, i'm not going to change myself because of some pill because i dont believe I'm the problem, i believe the world is the problem.
If i am not social, its because i dont like people, its not because i hate myself or because ive got some chemical imbalance.
If i play a game all day, its because i like the game, and because the game is more fun than all the other alternatives in the real world.
Lets see, School, Work, being harrassed by annoying immature people all day, dealing with family, or the game.
Well, I guess its easy to see why someone would choose a game. The real world just is not much fun.
Thats bullshit.
Age has nothing to do with Maturity. I know people in their 40s, even their 60s who are less mature than me, and I know people who are younger than me who are more mature.
Learning right from wrong happens when you learn to think for yourself, everyone becomes aware at a diffrent age, some never become aware.
The keys to deciding right and wrong.
Cause and Effect, understanding responsibility, understanding that other people have feelings too.
I'll explain the basic rules.
Never do to someone else what you would not want done to yourself.
Never deliberately cause harm to anyone else.
Be aware of everything you do, and the effects which they can cause, because the world is like an ocean, everything you do creates waves, and some waves can have devistating effects.
Be true to yourself, this means never lie to yourself.
These are basic rules, a 15 year old can learn them, I started to become aware at 15, I learned the basic rules, by 18 I was following these rules completely, I learned to not let others think for me, I learned that what I think of myself matters not what everyone else thinks of me, I learned to respect everyone even those who I do not like unless they disprespect me or others who I respect.
The rules are simple, age has nothing to do with it, just like theres some kids who are math genius's at 12, and theres some kids who get degrees at 14, Some people learn right from wrong and mature.
I didnt mature until around 18, but i learned the rules of right and wrong at 15. It took me a while to follow them, at 15-16-17 I was still a kid, trying to have fun, i knew the rules, and I obeyed them, but I was still a kid in how i was thinking.
18 I began thinking like a man, because at that time I was not only aware of my inner self, but I had awareness of others.
Now I am 21, while most people are out partying, I'm studying, I know who and who not to hang with because I'm aware of people outside of myself, I know if you hang with the wrong crowd, it can have an effect on you.
I'm not going to explain my whole life philosophy to you, It will only confuse you unless YOU are actually on my level and mature enough to grasp what I'm saying.
The main point is, age has nothing to do with it,
Older people act immature as hell, getting in fights, trying to put on a show for women, self centered types, and so on and so forth. Ignorance isnt an age thing, emotional and mental maturity is not an age thing, age creates wisdom, but it doesnt mean the mind is capable of understanding the knowledge it gathers.
nah, the weak kill themselves.
The real world sucks, thats obvious, but that doesnt mean commiting suicide is better.
If the SSSCA or whatever law passes, the whole online escape will be ruined for me,
it doesnt mean i'll commit suicide, because there WAS a time when i didnt have this online escape, I'll just have to find a new escape.
I could easily say, going to work everyday and posting on slashdot is a waste of life, I could say the only way to enjoy life is to go to raves and parties every night.
Who am I tell other people how to spend their lives?
Its people like you, constantly telling this weak minded person that their lifes a waste, that most likely caused this guy to commit suicide in the first place.
Imagine everyone telling you how you are wasting your life because you refuse to live like they do,
lets see, doctors, teachers, people like you, your own mother, a weak minded person can easily be influenced by other people and might commit suicide.
My advice to you, never tell anyone their life is a waste.
I bet i've had a more difficult life than most people here.
Not everyone has a breaking point. When I was a kid, I did think about suicide once, the reason i thought about it was because at that time, i believed there was a heaven, and life after death and all that crap.
This was programming from my PARENTS.
When I learned to think for myself, I realized this is the only life I have, the only life i'll ever have, and that I'm never going to allow ANYONE to take it away.
I dont believe in suicide, you see, If you believe theres a heaven, then it sorta makes this life pointless, theres an escape, why not take it?
But if you dont believe theres anything else as most educated people begin to realize, then you learn to make the best out of what you have, because there is NO escape, theres no other option.
People who want to end their life because their lives are difficult, are weak. They let the world and society drive them to suicide.They give up, they quit.
Its not in my nature to do that. Besides, my fear of death will keep me from ever commiting suicide, while i may learn to dislike this life, its the only life i've got, or ever will have, so better to have a life you dont like than no life at all.
Its not how hard your life is, theres lots of people who have hard lives who never commit suicide, its not how much you've been bullied or how society treats you, its how strong or weak you are inside which decides if you will be suicidal or not.
Suicidal is a state of mind, as is murder, and its not a normal state of mind, not everyone can be suicidal just like not everyonne can be a murderer, a serial killer, etc. Diffrent people think diffrently, some people dont think for themselves at all, religion can easily program someone into being suicidal, the books all say theres an after life, a heaven, a better place than this, so why stay here if you dont like it?
When you learn to think for yourself instead of listen to others, then you decide if theres life after death or not, and if you think theres not, then you'll value life more because you realize that you'll never get another chance, anyone or anything you kill will never get another chance, you understand that death is final and you wont like death anymore, you wont murder, and you wont be suicidal
Some people recognize this fact, but kill anyway because they hate, once again not everyone hates, only certain people hate, everyone dislikes, certain ones hate.
Extremes are not normal, and no one can drive you to extremes if you arent programmed for it, or if you dont believe in it.
You act like kids are mindless zombies.
Thats bullshit, My parents may have taught me right from wrong, but when i got a certain age (around 15) I began to think for myself, I figured out what REALLY was right and wrong.
This kid if hes 21 and cant think for himself was just a useless sheep anyway.
I mean if someone can tell you to kill yourself and you listen. or someone can tell you to do drugs and you do it, if someone tells you to kill someone, or jump off a roof for fun, and you get in trouble or die
Its your fucking fault, not theirs, its your fault for not thinking for yourself.
Now i agree, parents shouldnt give kids guns and stuff like that, but thats because i dont think all kids know right from wrong.
When i was his age, i sat in front of a computer 12 hours a day, hell i still do it now sometimes.
People should do whatever makes them happy, you cannot tell other people how they are supposed to live, this guy wanted to kill himself, he has every right to end his life if he didnt like it.
If you want to blame someone, you can blame christianity for teaching people theres an afterlife, how about you blame islam for creating terrorists eh?
Go ahead. Put the blame on books that are thousands of years old
Help is usually a bunch of pills, doctors tried to give me pills
pills dont help they hide.
The only way to help, is for you to be strong and help yourself. Getting help is just sitting talking to someone whos paid to listen to you, this guy had the net, so he had people willing to listen to him, he didnt use it. He had everquest for his escape, he didnt use it
When someone commits suicide its never anyones fault but their own.
No one can ever drive anyone or force anyone into suicide, suicide is a specific state of mind that SOME not ALL people go through;.Not everyones a manic depressed person, not everyone has bipolar disorder, and even out of the ones who do, not all of them are willing to harm themselves or anyone else because not everyone is violent.
Weaker people who cant handle life and reality, commit suicide. I'm not the strongest perosn on the planet, but i'm not suicidal, i dont even believe in the concept of suicide
You cant blame the parents if a kid is violent and murders someone else, you cant blame the parents if the kid kills himself, thats just a disturbed kid,
When i was a kid, i did the same thing, played games all the damn time, and I never commited suicide, parents dont kill kids, games dont kill kids, KIDS kill KIDS.
Dont blame it on the games, dont blame it on the parents, unless the parent put the gun in the kids hand and told assisted.
Come on, if you were sony, and you created a game and some fucking moron commits suicide, is it fair for them to sue you?
Who better to lead linux development than the creator of GNU? GNU/Linux should be lead by richard stallman.
My vote goes to richard stallman.
However if he chooses not to lead, Alan Cox is a very good leader as well.
I propose we have a vote, or even a contest where coders must prove their abilities somehow, then we have a vote from the remaining 5.
yeah imagine if some wise ass musician copyrighted all the music notes, there could be no derivative work. All innovation is derivative work.
I think when i pay for something, I should be able to use it any way i want, if i change it into a diffrent form of information like 1s and 0s, its not longer the original product and therefore i can distribute it.
If you have a program, and you have a compiled binary and its source code. But people say "Look but dont touch" and its that shared source bullshit, "Touch but dont share"
Well then, wheres your freedom?
That's fine, that's covered by regular "home use", and it's something you've paid for. What you can't do is charge for admission. That's "commercial use". You also can't redistribute the music for other people to make their own copies of it - that's redistribution.
I'm not talking about the law here, I'm talking about right and wrong. Its right for us the consumer to completely control distribution.
Its also fair for the artist to get 100 percent all the profits. Meaning i dont think its right for a consumer to sell something created by artist X. I do think its right for a consumer to share, copy, or do whatever they want, because no money is changing hands here, the people you are sharing it with obviously wouldnt buy it in the first place, anyone who is going to buy it are the ones sharing it usually, those are the fans.
Believe it or not, clubs and raves have to pay pretty hefty prices to do what they do. They do not just go to Rhino Records and pick out some tunes. They pay thousands of dollars per year to ASCAP and BMI, organisations who (purportedly) then compensate the copyright holders. So your analogy doesn't hold up. Its morally right to share. Greed is morally wrong, But this fucking country's system be it law, or the capitalist system, rewards GREED!
I'm sorry, but I can not support a law which I do not agree with morally, its like supporting capital punishment.
Copyright is like Capital Punishment because alot of people are dying over medical patents, cant afford medicines which could be given to them for free over some patent bullshit.
Patents only help the rich CEOs at these big music companies. Musicians arent all rich, most are poor as hell, Musicians make pennies per CD, this just isnt working, Musicians and Consumers arent satisfied, People are dying in other countries, and the only ones who like patents and copyright are the people who own them and are making a fortune from them.
Programmers hate copyright and patents thus we have open source movement.
Consumers hate copyright and patents thus we have napster, gnutella, etc.
Radio broadcasters on the net hate copyright and patents, thats why they protest the laws wit it.
So I'm going to assume, about 80 percent of the population is against copyright and patents, for some reason or another, but they are too confused to do anything about it, or they cant do anything about it.
IN a democracy, you do what the people want, not what the corperations want, not what the politicians want. IF we were a democracy, people would vote, and the patent system would be gone. Because theres more of us who dont have patents and copyrights, or who dont benifit from them, than the few guys in suits who do. Who do you think would win in a vote? And if you make it a world vote, it would be silly to see 6 billion people all vote against copyright and maybe a million people support it, not even 1% of the world population.
This is about whats right and whats wrong, its about what the people want, the consumers, the programmers, the artists and musicians want, not about how to give corperations and rich guys what they want.
Before someone does something like copies a book, or a picture, or draws the notes to a famous song on the paper, hell infinite possibilities, even writes down the source code.
Better outlaw paper!
If the government and record companies are allowed to tell us, what we can and cannot do with our hardware, what we can and cannot write, what we can and cannot run,
They are taking away our ability to express ourselves via computer.
If it were a pen and paper, and someone said you cant draw this because this drawing is under copyright,they'd be removing your freedom as an artist.
If someone said you cant write this code because of a law, they are taking your freedom as a programmer.
If you write a program, which allows people to copy information from a physical source and digitalize it, when in digital form, its 1s and 0s, its no longer the original.
Why the hell should we treat it as if its the original work? Its now OURS. We made it, sure we made this new digital work from someone elses work but everyone makes everything from someone elses idea.
Fact is, no group of people, no person, no one should be able to control how the masses uses their computer
If we use it to generate information and that information happens to benifit the world, so be it.
Second, alot of people here must like governments ruling over you, while i'm not a republican or anarchist, in some situations, I understand why we dont need government to control us.
Government should enforce laws, not control us. not control information. As long as we dont use our computers to harm anyone, then its free expression in my mind.Record companies need to join the digital age, and learn how to start a real business instead of fighting to protect an obsolete business and obsolete technology
Information on your computer, are 1s and 0s.
You own the hardware correct? What gives the RIAA, DMCA, or anyone the right to tell you, what information you can and cannot put into your computer, how you can and cannot use your computer, what patterns of 1s and 0s you can and cannot run, what source code you can and cannot write.
Its fucking censorship, theres no way around this.
Someone had to buy the music for you to get a copy of it, or copy it in the first place. So all of these people who claim music can never make money unless its sold as a product, are silly as hell.
Someone always has to buy it no matter how its distributed it.
And to extend what I just said.
If you take a pencil and you draw a picture of wolverine from a comic book, you are doing the same thing as you are doing when you rip a song from an CD and onto mp3.
The only diffrence is, instead of the computer and burner, you are using the pencil.
Should the pencil have copy right protections built into it? or how about the paper? is it not yourr freedom of expression to draw what you want on the paper?
You see and thats where I disagree.
If i translate something into computer language, I now own it, because its NOT the original work.
Not only that, but if I buy something, I OWN what i buy, not the rights to use what I buy.
Third, If I buy something, I have the right to do anything i want with it no matter what it is.
Sure this isnt the law, but its morally right. The people deserve to OWN what they but, and do whatever they want with what they own, businesses who steal money from consumers by tricking them into thinking they own something they dont, should cease to exsist and be replaced with more honest businesses.
Shit like that reminds me of microsoft saying windows comes free with your computer, and millions of people believing it.
Or AOLs 10,000 free hours in 30 days, I bet there isnt even 10,000 hours in 30 days.
No ones being harmed or threatened here. This is one group of people, who are restricting the speech and expression of the masses, in this case, its restricting the masses from using the technology to express themselves freely.
Technology which harms no one and helps everyone EXCEPT the exclusive group who are trying to stop it.
This country was not built to protect big companies, it was built to give freedom to the people. Right now big companies are trying to take freedom from the people in the name of profit. That is not what this country was based on at all, if it were, we'd still be buying tea from the british because it helps them profit.
Think about it, these idiotic statements are some of the same statements made by people in the past.
Discussing math and algorithms is just as illegal as copying a song to mp3 and sharing it.
You see, unless you discuss it with your lips, its illegal, discussing it with text using a computer is not manually discussing it with your lips thus not protected by free speech.
You see how twisted the law is?
The computer should be given all of our rights because its a technology which EXTENDS our speech. Its a damn communications device not a toy.
A computer allows us to speak to more people, faster, As computers become more and more important, someday computers will be used for 99 percent of all our speech, if our speech isnt protected on computers, then if not us, our children have lost the right to free speech.
Yet the founders of this country, you are telling me, did NOT intend for us to steal music?
Yeah ok, the founders of this country left europe because of stupid laws like the DMCA, they set up this country to make sure we as people always have freedom. Not freedom for the big companies.
If big companies are losing money due to "stealing" of information they own, perhaps they need to figure out a new way to make money, or go out of business,
they arent needed anymore, distribution is free now, the consumer can distribute better than they can, musicians wont make any more or less money either way, consumers will save a fortune
Look, its as simple as this, controlling information and restricting it from the mass, is censorship, its no diffrent than china controlling the internet.
If you think the USA was built on this concept, perhaps you should think about moving to china, where censorship is more common.
Censorship sucks, the USA is a hypocrite nation telling other countries to not censor anything, yet they censor information more than any other country.
Tell me how its any diffrent than using your computer to do the same thing? Oh i get it, so if you manually copy something, its alright and legal, but if you used an automated process or machine to do it, its illegal?
Copying is copying. Speaking of an idea which is owned by someone else or reciting someone elses song "Karoke" is no diffrent than turning a song into an mp3.
Neither are 100 percent perfect quality, both are copies of the information however.
Is Karoke free speech?