Every day, they seem to be pushing this more and more.
People if you are going to stop this you better act FAST!!! we DONT have much time.
I listed ways to stop this in a previous slashdot post
Its time to take action, meaning schedule a mass protest, not a petition, but protests, on many college campus's, highschools, and online.
If this law passes we are fucked, open source will be killed, the internet will be practically killed, broadband wont be adopted, and neither will digital tv, people will be busy using VCRs, and busy on their 56k to check their email since besides trading files theres no reason to ever upgrade to broadband.
Previous post on slashdot, FOLLOW DIRECTIONS!
INFORM --- Tell the public what the SSSCA is!
Explain ---- Tell the public whats wrong with the SSSCA
Results ---- Tell them what will happen if the SSSCA passes, and what kinda society it will lead to if the trend continues
Solution ---- Tell them how to stop the SSSCA, tell them a msg similar to what I'm telling you, explain to them not to just stop the SSSCA, but to promote absolute freedom of speech online, meaning no one can control what you do with your computer, if the RIAA and MPAA does not want us to pirate stuff, they should make it impossible to pirate or undesirable to do so, if this means lowering the price so its not worth buying a CD or DVD burner, or if this means locking the DVD up, they have options, what they shouldnt do is take away our freedoms, its like saying you cant use your hands to draw a copy of a picture you like.
Mozilla is not a light browser, its a powerful one. Theres the Gecko engine, and theres Mozilla. Mozilla is the XUL based browser which is designed to be compatible with all OS's.
The Gecko engine however has been ported to NATIVE interfaces, and in these cases, it loads as fast as IE and Opera also coded for Native interfaces.
Opera seems to have the fastest load time and most efficient code (meaning no memory leaks and optimized)
Kmeleon is about as fast as IE and uses the same native interface as IE.
Galeon for Linux is as fast as things get for Linux.
ok lets benchmark the load of slashdot. Moz, Konq, Opera. I'm going to load the main page, everyone here can do it too and make sure its accurate. Mozilla.9x nightly vs Konq 2.2.1 vs Opera 6 beta 1. Slashdot mainpage Mozilla 1.06 seconds. Reload Slashdot mainpage Mozilla 1.25 seconds.
OSDN main page Mozilla 1.498 seconds. Reload OSDN main page Mozilla 3.4 seconds.
Slashdot main page Konqueror 3 seconds Reload Slashdot main page Konqueror 1 second
OSDN main page Konqueror 4 seconds Reload OSDN main page Konqueror 3 seconds
Slashdot main page Opera 2 seconds Reload Slashdot main page Opera 2 seconds
OSDN main page Opera 6 seconds Reload OSDN main page Opera 4 seconds.
This debate needs to be ended once and for all, I challenge ANYONE to host an official benchmarking test suite where thousands us at slashdot can go and benchmark Opera vs Mozilla vs Konq vs IE and once and for all prove Mozilla is fastest.
Opera may load up faster but its slower at rendering pages.
IE is faster than Mozilla but not faster at rendering pages.
I dont really care how fast the browser loads, as long as it renders pages fast.
Theres no way anyone can convince me IE or Opera can load pages faster than mOzilla, in my own tests Mozilla beat both browsers on every site I go to.
Mozilla does have issues with javascript, thats one area IE and Opera win, but in all other Areas, Mozilla kicks ass.
I compared IE 6(or whatever the newest one is), Mozilla nightly, Opera6.
Mozilla is just fast as hell, pages render instantly no matter what page it is. Mozilla has never crashed, Konq has crashed, I admit Opera doesnt crash, but IE crashes more than Mozilla at this point.
Also we could use Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion
Plasma or ionized gas is trapped on the magnetic field lines generated onboard, and this plasma inflates the magnetic field much like hot air in a balloon.
Raise the budget for space research and you'll see probes going to europa.
With a 1 trillion dollar tax cut, and budget cuts all around including NASA, do you really believe that a probe will be sent to Europa? And if they are it will be a really cheap probe.
You see, the space budget should be getting billions, but tax cuts means lower budgets, so when you cry about us not exploring space, you can only blame george bush.
Instead of big robots, my idea to search for life would be to use microbots, they'd work like insects and drill under the ice by swarming to a certain spot and in a combined effort drill under the ice.
Thousands or even millions of these bots could be stuffed into a capsule if this drilling method cannot work, and let a big drill robot drill a really small thin tube and let the microbots go in through the tube into the water beneath the ice.
Once beneath the ice, they all spread out, reproduce via an assembly process, if theres materials to do so, each bot has a camera, a small light, they can swarm in areas to light that area up, or spread out if theres a need to.
If theres life on europa under the sea it makes no sense to use expensive big robots which these lifeforms could just break instantly, using small robots which can spread out in an instact, and which act similar to a school of fish would be perfect for exploring the ocean on an alien planet.
Thats my opinion, I dont work for NASA but i know NASA has the technology to do this right now, Its not a technology issue its a cost issue.
With Bush cutting budgets and lowering taxes every chance he gets, theres no way this project could ever happen. We have the technology to do it, we have the technology to send a man to mars, to terraform mars, to explore europa, pluto, etc
The reason we dont, is because these new technologys are expensive. It would take several billion to explore europe, it would take maybe 100 billion to send a man or men to mars, it would take a few trillion and a couple of decades to terraform mars. I think we should begin to terraform mars now for our childrens sake, because i dont think earth will last another 100 years at this pace.
The problem isnt, if we will find something its when. And the biggest problem is what do we do when we do find something? Panic? Because NASA and our Government has no clue of what to do, Seti and pro alien people would be wanting to meet the aliens and hug them, and others will want to kill them off, dont forget 90 percent of the USA is religious and could worship them, call them demons, or whatever.
So if we do go to Europa and find something, is NASA prepared for it:?
Europa is the biggest canidate for life, chances are theres life on it, theres the proper climate, and theres water, the life is most likely going to be underwater deep sea type life but theres still the chance for intelligent life.
Theres nothingn wrong with X the protocol, whats wrong is how X is implemented.
X is just done in a really bad way for Linux. You cant improve something that was created broken in the first place, Xrender extention? please! All that effort could have put been into a new X
Not everyone works in the computer industry. I mean we do, but not everyone. In fact most computer users dont, and a Desktop should be designed for them, not for us, if we want X we can use the corperate Redhat Linux or Debian.
Linux cant even do alpha channeling, its on Windows98 level!!!!! How do you expect it to somehow all of the sudden have distributed computing like you claim
I mean sure its possible but i dont see anyone rushing to use linux when it cant compete with OSX.
OSX is the unix desktop of choice, Even I'd be using OSX if i could afford a mac
Why should I use X? OSX is better, Berlin is better, hell WindowsXP is better
X just is stuck in the past, playing catch up via extentions will only make it slower, more bloated, and more complicated
I say its time to scrap X and start over while you still can.
Most windows users are just checking their email, surfing the web, playing games and chatting.
You are talking about the corperate world, which i personally dont give a damn about, I'm concered with the DESKTOP for USERS.
When X provides an OSX quality interface, thats when I'll believe all the BS about the extentions and X being saved.
Its almost as silly as gnutella, sure you can extend a broken program, but it only makes that broken program more and more complicated until it gets to the point where no one can use the extentions except the people who wrote them (Xrender) (Microsofts undocumented API features) etc
Face it, DRI, and all of these exentions cannot save X, its almost as bad as Netscape was in its final days, you can only extend a broken program so much before its so complicated that its utterly useless.
The X extentions are so damn complicated that no ones using them, KDE isnt using Xrender, Gnome isnt using Xrender, hell even Enlightenment isnt using Xrender, the only people who seem to be able to make Xrender work, are the programmers working on it.
NO where else have I seen alpha channeling in linux than from keith packard the creator of the Xrender extention.
What good is an overly complicated undocumented hard to use API on top of a bloated badly designed implementation of X?
Exactly, it wasnt designed for the desktp and trying to stuff an elephant inside a black box is not going to work.
Forget about that, start over, build someting for desktop users, keep X for corperate and server users who need that.
Fragment development, Gnome and KDE are actually competition and fueling development even more, and the developers supporting linux increases ever year, why have just one?
Server apps need server stuff, Desktop apps ned Desktop stuff, its kinda stupid to try to package server stuff to Desktop users then wonder why they complain.
Its funny how everyone says Linux will fail on the Desktop but its also funny to see almost 100 percent of the effort and development going into the server stuff, has Redhat spent any money on improving the desktop? hell no so what right do they have to say Linux can never work if they never tried? Same with IBM, Sun and all these other companies who rush to say Linux doesnt stand a chance in hell without giving a PENNY to the effort.
If Redhat were to buy Linux Mandrake right now, and instead of Eazel wasting 15 million dollars on a pathetic Window Manager they actually wrote an alternative to X and then let gnome developers port Gnome 2 to that.
If half these developers who claim Linux cant succeed actually tried working on the berlin project,, maybe linux would have a chance on the desktop.
The problem is, people using linux currently, the community, most of them are corperate users who work with Linux and who use it as a server.
As the trend changes thanks to people like Mandrake, Lycoris, Lindows, we will begin to see vast development efforts into DESKTOP features, because more people will be using linux as their primary desktop and not as a server.
When this happens, projects like the Berlin project, KDE, E17, and projects which dont exsist yet, will get developer support.
When we have 20-30 millioon Desktop linux users, and even if only half of them are programmers, we'd have alot of Desktop enhancements,
And this will be when redhat, IBM and others will change their minds and start saying how linux is going to be a success on the desktop and invest millions of dollars
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Yeah and its also how you saved napster, and stopped the partriot act.
Petitions do nothing, writing people who dont listen to you will do nothing, you have to show them you disagree, begging gets you no where
Every day, they seem to be pushing this more and more.
People if you are going to stop this you better act FAST!!! we DONT have much time.
I listed ways to stop this in a previous slashdot post
Its time to take action, meaning schedule a mass protest, not a petition, but protests, on many college campus's, highschools, and online.
If this law passes we are fucked, open source will be killed, the internet will be practically killed, broadband wont be adopted, and neither will digital tv, people will be busy using VCRs, and busy on their 56k to check their email since besides trading files theres no reason to ever upgrade to broadband.
Previous post on slashdot, FOLLOW DIRECTIONS!
INFORM --- Tell the public what the SSSCA is!
Explain ---- Tell the public whats wrong with the SSSCA
Results ---- Tell them what will happen if the SSSCA passes, and what kinda society it will lead to if the trend continues
Solution ---- Tell them how to stop the SSSCA, tell them a msg similar to what I'm telling you, explain to them not to just stop the SSSCA, but to promote absolute freedom of speech online, meaning no one can control what you do with your computer, if the RIAA and MPAA does not want us to pirate stuff, they should make it impossible to pirate or undesirable to do so, if this means lowering the price so its not worth buying a CD or DVD burner, or if this means locking the DVD up, they have options, what they shouldnt do is take away our freedoms, its like saying you cant use your hands to draw a copy of a picture you like.
RSA has been doing this for a long time.
Mozilla is not a light browser, its a powerful one. Theres the Gecko engine, and theres Mozilla. Mozilla is the XUL based browser which is designed to be compatible with all OS's.
The Gecko engine however has been ported to NATIVE interfaces, and in these cases, it loads as fast as IE and Opera also coded for Native interfaces.
Opera seems to have the fastest load time and most efficient code (meaning no memory leaks and optimized)
Kmeleon is about as fast as IE and uses the same native interface as IE.
Galeon for Linux is as fast as things get for Linux.
ok lets benchmark the load of slashdot. Moz, Konq, Opera. I'm going to load the main page, everyone here can do it too and make sure its accurate. .9x nightly vs
Mozilla
Konq 2.2.1 vs
Opera 6 beta 1.
Slashdot mainpage Mozilla 1.06 seconds.
Reload
Slashdot mainpage Mozilla 1.25 seconds.
OSDN main page Mozilla 1.498 seconds.
Reload
OSDN main page Mozilla 3.4 seconds.
Slashdot main page Konqueror 3 seconds
Reload
Slashdot main page Konqueror 1 second
OSDN main page Konqueror 4 seconds
Reload
OSDN main page Konqueror 3 seconds
Slashdot main page Opera 2 seconds
Reload
Slashdot main page Opera 2 seconds
OSDN main page Opera 6 seconds
Reload
OSDN main page Opera 4 seconds.
This debate needs to be ended once and for all, I challenge ANYONE to host an official benchmarking test suite where thousands us at slashdot can go and benchmark Opera vs Mozilla vs Konq vs IE and once and for all prove Mozilla is fastest.
I know it wins at OSDN and Slashdot.
lol
Theres thousands using Opera, theres millions using mozilla
Because I dont know any browser besides mozilla which INSTANTLY goes back and forward and instantly renders pages.
You are telling me you think IE is faster? Opera? hahaha
Ok for a test, instead of looking at the page as it renders, look at the seconds it takes.
I tested both opera and mozilla in linux, Opera gets destroyed on every site. Mozilla loads every site instantly.
IF your computer is having opera load pages faster its due to your lack of ram or CPU cycles to display the pages at the speed mozilla renders them.
Opera may load up faster but its slower at rendering pages.
IE is faster than Mozilla but not faster at rendering pages.
I dont really care how fast the browser loads, as long as it renders pages fast.
Theres no way anyone can convince me IE or Opera can load pages faster than mOzilla, in my own tests Mozilla beat both browsers on every site I go to.
Mozilla does have issues with javascript, thats one area IE and Opera win, but in all other Areas, Mozilla kicks ass.
I compared IE 6(or whatever the newest one is), Mozilla nightly, Opera6.
Mozilla is just fast as hell, pages render instantly no matter what page it is. Mozilla has never crashed, Konq has crashed, I admit Opera doesnt crash, but IE crashes more than Mozilla at this point.
Have fun with slow rendering fast loading Opera.
Release probe. Solar Sail Sails right by, Probe lands on planet
Solar sail, Microbots stuffed into a small capsule, and you could get to Europa at very fast speeds.
u g99_1.htm
Solar Sails at 150,000 mph, which is far faster than nuclear
Nuclear also has heat problems, and sure it can
Solar Sail
See how it works http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/prop19a
Also we could use Mini-Magnetospheric Plasma Propulsion
Plasma or ionized gas is trapped on the magnetic field lines generated onboard, and this plasma inflates the magnetic field much like hot air in a balloon.
See prototype
Raise the budget for space research and you'll see probes going to europa.
With a 1 trillion dollar tax cut, and budget cuts all around including NASA, do you really believe that a probe will be sent to Europa? And if they are it will be a really cheap probe.
You see, the space budget should be getting billions, but tax cuts means lower budgets, so when you cry about us not exploring space, you can only blame george bush.
Instead of big robots, my idea to search for life would be to use microbots, they'd work like insects and drill under the ice by swarming to a certain spot and in a combined effort drill under the ice.
Thousands or even millions of these bots could be stuffed into a capsule if this drilling method cannot work, and let a big drill robot drill a really small thin tube and let the microbots go in through the tube into the water beneath the ice.
Once beneath the ice, they all spread out, reproduce via an assembly process, if theres materials to do so, each bot has a camera, a small light, they can swarm in areas to light that area up, or spread out if theres a need to.
If theres life on europa under the sea it makes no sense to use expensive big robots which these lifeforms could just break instantly, using small robots which can spread out in an instact, and which act similar to a school of fish would be perfect for exploring the ocean on an alien planet.
Thats my opinion, I dont work for NASA but i know NASA has the technology to do this right now, Its not a technology issue its a cost issue.
With Bush cutting budgets and lowering taxes every chance he gets, theres no way this project could ever happen. We have the technology to do it, we have the technology to send a man to mars, to terraform mars, to explore europa, pluto, etc
The reason we dont, is because these new technologys are expensive.
It would take several billion to explore europe, it would take maybe 100 billion to send a man or men to mars, it would take a few trillion and a couple of decades to terraform mars. I think we should begin to terraform mars now for our childrens sake, because i dont think earth will last another 100 years at this pace.
Thats why they canceled.
The problem isnt, if we will find something its when. And the biggest problem is what do we do when we do find something? Panic? Because NASA and our Government has no clue of what to do, Seti and pro alien people would be wanting to meet the aliens and hug them, and others will want to kill them off, dont forget 90 percent of the USA is religious and could worship them, call them demons, or whatever.
So if we do go to Europa and find something, is NASA prepared for it:?
Europa is the biggest canidate for life, chances are theres life on it, theres the proper climate, and theres water, the life is most likely going to be underwater deep sea type life but theres still the chance for intelligent life.
We found some huge underwater city filled with aliens, or other strange and unusual lifeforms in these seas of Europa.
Whats the plan for this? Do we even have one besides hitting the panic button?
Read my post
I listed ways to fight back
I guess you dont know how to read
The jews were smarter, they had other countries destroy the nazis which they couldnt fight directly.
The jews still to this day use the holocaust against the nazis so they cant ever come to power again,
almost every year you see documentaries on the holocaust.
Linux is not an official part of the GNU system, is Linux even GPL?
And just having a version of the Linux kernel does not make your OS Linux. It makes your os Linux based just likee Linux is not unix, but unix based.
KDE is faster than Win98, but its slower than Win2k.
Its faster than XP, but XP has more special effects.
Win98 is sslow as hell, and crashes, KDE crashes once in a great while and its about the same speed, maybe alittle bit faster at very specific things.
2k is faster than KDE at everything.
KDE uses less than than all of these versions of windows, its slow because of X, not because of KDEs design, not because of bloat, because of X.
Theres nothingn wrong with X the protocol, whats wrong is how X is implemented.
X is just done in a really bad way for Linux.
You cant improve something that was created broken in the first place, Xrender extention? please! All that effort could have put been into a new X
Not everyone works in the computer industry. I mean we do, but not everyone. In fact most computer users dont, and a Desktop should be designed for them, not for us, if we want X we can use the corperate Redhat Linux or Debian.
Linux cant even do alpha channeling, its on Windows98 level!!!!! How do you expect it to somehow all of the sudden have distributed computing like you claim
I mean sure its possible but i dont see anyone rushing to use linux when it cant compete with OSX.
OSX is the unix desktop of choice, Even I'd be using OSX if i could afford a mac
Why should I use X? OSX is better, Berlin is better, hell WindowsXP is better
X just is stuck in the past, playing catch up via extentions will only make it slower, more bloated, and more complicated
I say its time to scrap X and start over while you still can.
Most windows users are just checking their email, surfing the web, playing games and chatting.
You are talking about the corperate world, which i personally dont give a damn about, I'm concered with the DESKTOP for USERS.
When X provides an OSX quality interface, thats when I'll believe all the BS about the extentions and X being saved.
Its almost as silly as gnutella, sure you can extend a broken program, but it only makes that broken program more and more complicated until it gets to the point where no one can use the extentions except the people who wrote them (Xrender)
(Microsofts undocumented API features)
etc
DRI? Ok use DIR to render the GUI.
Oh right, its not fast enough, you cant.
Face it, DRI, and all of these exentions cannot save X, its almost as bad as Netscape was in its final days, you can only extend a broken program so much before its so complicated that its utterly useless.
The X extentions are so damn complicated that no ones using them, KDE isnt using Xrender, Gnome isnt using Xrender, hell even Enlightenment isnt using Xrender, the only people who seem to be able to make Xrender work, are the programmers working on it.
NO where else have I seen alpha channeling in linux than from keith packard the creator of the Xrender extention.
What good is an overly complicated undocumented hard to use API on top of a bloated badly designed implementation of X?
X exention? The same one which has been complete for almost a year that has no documentation and is too complicated to use?
Not to mention its slow as hell.
Exactly, it wasnt designed for the desktp and trying to stuff an elephant inside a black box is not going to work.
Forget about that, start over, build someting for desktop users, keep X for corperate and server users who need that.
Fragment development, Gnome and KDE are actually competition and fueling development even more, and the developers supporting linux increases ever year, why have just one?
Server apps need server stuff, Desktop apps ned Desktop stuff, its kinda stupid to try to package server stuff to Desktop users then wonder why they complain.
Its funny how everyone says Linux will fail on the Desktop but its also funny to see almost 100 percent of the effort and development going into the server stuff, has Redhat spent any money on improving the desktop? hell no so what right do they have to say Linux can never work if they never tried? Same with IBM, Sun and all these other companies who rush to say Linux doesnt stand a chance in hell without giving a PENNY to the effort.
If Redhat were to buy Linux Mandrake right now, and instead of Eazel wasting 15 million dollars on a pathetic Window Manager they actually wrote an alternative to X and then let gnome developers port Gnome 2 to that.
If half these developers who claim Linux cant succeed actually tried working on the berlin project,, maybe linux would have a chance on the desktop.
The problem is, people using linux currently, the community, most of them are corperate users who work with Linux and who use it as a server.
As the trend changes thanks to people like Mandrake, Lycoris, Lindows, we will begin to see vast development efforts into DESKTOP features, because more people will be using linux as their primary desktop and not as a server.
When this happens, projects like the Berlin project, KDE, E17, and projects which dont exsist yet, will get developer support.
When we have 20-30 millioon Desktop linux users, and even if only half of them are programmers, we'd have alot of Desktop enhancements,
And this will be when redhat, IBM and others will change their minds and start saying how linux is going to be a success on the desktop and invest millions of dollars