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Mozilla Tree Closes for 1.0
fire-eyes writes "After many years, the Mozilla cvs tree just closed for 1.0. " It's been a long time coming. And I'm glad
that on Unix we still have a browser war since Konqueror and Mozilla are both
excellent browsers. Congratulations to every developer who committed a line
of code, but mostly to you guys in the middle who had to wrangle the whole
project.
its about damn time!
great job people!!!!!!!
"I drank what?" - Socrates
And I'm not even collecting Social Security yet!
Several airliners were hit by airborne pigs today, and ACME sweaters reports their largest order ever has come in from Hell.
Both are monumental achievements and should be documented :-)
They grow up so fast... it brings tears to my eyes
*snif*
its good to see how far mozilla has come. ive been using it for a long time in linux, and now i am ready to make this switch on all my win computers as well. my only complaint about that browser is that it doesnt support the ability to change the colour of the scroll bars found on certain webpages.
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Which version will have CSS that works?*
*spoken by someone who basically gave up trying to get toggling of a field's visibility to work, and are probably going to be forced to block all Mozilla browsers.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
As a diehard IE user who made the switch from netscape to IE 3.x, I am quite shocked at how well Mozilla performs in the .99 version.
.99 my view was changed completely. I don't use an integrated bookmark manager or email, but for browsing I find myself opening up Mozilla more and more during the day.
I've kept tabs on the performance and functionality as various betas came out and was always extremely disheartened that it just wasn't there. I was beginning to think that one of the most visible efforts by a community to really create a useful application was going to fail.
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Congratulations to everyone involved in the development and testing. This is quite a success and one that I hope garners a ton of attention!
It seems interesting and maybe coincidental that AOL Timewarner starts testing Netscape, and Mozilla seems to quiken its pace to 1.0. Maybe I am just reading to much into this, and its probably all just coincidental, though, it is something for the conspiracy theorists to work out.
Jason Lotito
browser war between Mozilla and Konqueror?
yes, both are excellent browsers, but I was pretty sure that Opera has at least as large of a share as Konqueror on *n*x desktops.
Sure, the free version has ads, but it's still free, and it seems to render sloppily coded IE-compatible/W3C-incompatible pages with more flair than either of the other two. Opera recently released the TP3 of their version 6, and it is excellent.
just a note.
lysergically yours
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Dragging people kicking and screaming into reality since 1996.
It is the most standard compliant browser with some of the best features out there (popup killing, tabs etc). It's been a long road to 1.0 but it's been worth it. But remember 1.0 is not the end of the project, just the freezing of the API's there will continue to be improvements and enhancements made.
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for those that like to click: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:sSfdrcUvpF0C: www.mozillazine.org/+&hl=en
Jason Lotito
You Bastards!
Congrats to the mozilla team. It seems like only yesterday that I was using Netscape 2.0 for my webbing needs... I look foward to seeing what new and innovative features are added (I love the javascript support in Moz, and gesture browsing is a godsend)
Secondsun
There is nothing wrong with being gay. It's getting caught where the trouble lies.
I always wondered whether we would see Duke Nukem Forever or Mozilla 1.0 first. Sort of a tortoise and tortoise race.
Oh, it did? Now what will the rest of the software industry do?
Just like many other people here, I am glad they have hit the grand-milestone of milestones. Congratulations to everyone.
I've been using 0.9.9 on the latest Redhat Beta 'Skipjack' and it's really good. I suppose Redhat 7.3 will include Mozilla 1.0 (or better) for the final release. Should probably be in Rawhide soon.
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Random, useless fact: I type in startx entirely with my left hand.
Until it approaches Opera for speed, it will still be not a preferred browser. Opera's mouse gestures are also an excellent feature which help improve browsing speed. I think that improving Mozilla's speed should be the developers main focus going forward.
i can't seem to get the mozilliane site up from the link. imagine that.
anyway. when can we get binaries of the 1.0 version? it's really my favorite browser, and hopefully some OEM's start to install it or a derivitive by default! most people dropped NS off their scope long ago.
"And I'm glad that on Unix we still have a browser war" Trolling in the news post?
.9.7 was already better than IE in almost every category. .9.9 just blows everything else out of the water. The browser war is alive and well on Windows.
The browser war on Windows is joined as well!
IE may come installed with all copies of Windows but that doesn't mean that Mozilla can't compete. In fact, Mozilla
Moz 1 will be a great breakthrough for open-source software. And there were a lot of people who thought we'd never see it. Now it looks inevitable. Moz already runs fast and load times are generally 2 secs, I can't wait to see what it does fully optimized.
So, hats off to the Mozilla crew. And bravo. Hoorah for OSS and openness, modularity and custizability in user software!
Sweat
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
Don't assume that just because it's 1.0 means that it's perfect.
Many people will try Mozilla for the first time in 1.0. People more than ever need to go out there and download [linux, mac, win32], test, and give bug reports.
If you want to help open source but can't hack the code, this is your chance to help! :-)
Apparently on free-thinking /., you can't even ask that question.
Mozilla may have closed their tree, but the Slashdot effect closed Mozilla-Zine's site.
anyone have a mirror?
lysergically yours
Not surprisingly, I get a "site too busy" error, but it's from apache-ADTI - now what in the world is that flavor?
It's great to see that they are on schedule (finally ;). I remember the "old times", when I downloaded my first mozilla build. I believe it was early '99. I didn't really know ehat exacty mozilla was back then and I completely freaked out after seeing how my homepage was rendered (not much worked back then). But that made me do some more reading about Moz and now I'm a proud user of this web lizard. :)
google cache:
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Tree Closes for Mozilla 1.0
The tree just closed in preparation for Mozilla 1.0, and so far, it's looking promising. What does the tree close mean? This time around, as drivers have been in control of the tree for the entire milestone, the actual process won't change, but drivers approval will begin to get harder and harder to get for a checkin. As we approach 1.0, we'll keep you up to date on current status and other interesting news.
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Incidentally, at the time Google cached that, it had zero comments. That was fast.
Anyway, I'm kind of disappointed. This is like the Year 2000. I always pictured some cool technological advance when we hit the y2k figure, but we didn't suddenly have anything special. In the same way, I always thought that when Mozilla finally hit 1.0, it would be this super-stable, killer ap with special competition-eradicating I-Need-Thats that make any other alternative simply laughable. Instead, 1.0 is just a glorified 0.9.9.998
Oh well.
(On a side note, when did we all stop saying Un*x for Unix. I think 'taco was one of the first people I heard saying this...)
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DTD did the job on me // now I am a real sickie // guess I have to break the news // that I got no site to loose
Loose rhymes with noose and is an adjective.
Lose is the verb you want.
Is it me or does the ability to view the source of whatever your looking at seem to be something that even a 1.0 browser should do correctly?
But for anyone interested in the actual link posted in the story, here is the google cache version...
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -- Benjamin Franklin
Use a CSS to set up a piece of text as small caps and render it in Mozilla, Opera, and IE and guess which browser fill screw it up? Well, IE of course. IE is OK, but Mozilla does a lot more with web standards. I routinely try to code pages to web standards and have Mozilla and Opera display them properly, only to have IE suddenly say to me "And now for something completely different!" If every browser besides IE becomes 100% standards compliant, then I would hope web designers would start putting little bugs on their page that says "Best viewed with something other that IE."
I have had numerous problems with Konqueror, at least the version that came with RH 7.1. I am going to download Mozilla. I hope that is better than just excellent like Konqueror.
You all deserve a big debt of thanks. No doubt one of the requirements for being a Mozilla developer is a thick skin. Seems there are no shortage of non-coding sidewalk superintendents who are all too eager to denigrate you're accomplishment. Screw 'em. Mozilla is awesome. You took the time to do it right--no wine before its time. Keep up the good work!
I have been using Mozilla 0.9.9 on Linux for extensive browsing and email since it came out. I use it with Codeweavers WINE based Crossover plugins installed.
Pages load faaaast, no complaints about any missing plugins ( thanks to Crossover ).
Mozilla worked beautifully without a single crash/hang, and all the while using very low system resourses.
I was always using Galeon with latest Mozilla, but with 0.9.9 Mozilla itself is so good, I dont use Galeon.
The only tiny complaint I may have is the non standrad GUI and its response time, but then you can always use Galeon !
What I find most interesting about Mozilla is in how may ways it can be used. Just look at all the different projects using Moz engine, like text/programming editors, irc clients, media players, and others. A really interesting piece of work. You can find a lot of Moz-based projects at Mozdev.org
that we finally have a major 1.0 application...
...since Konqueror and Mozilla are both excellent browsers.
The very first time I loaded up Slashdot in Konqueror, all the links were broken. When I tried in Mozilla, it segfaulted. I had to resort to Netscape for any useful browsing.
Of course that was when Linux would go through massive swapping storms every few hours leaving the system completly useless.
This is truly a testimate to how far we've come and how far we have to go! Now the important question: How long do we have to wait for 2.0?
"I'll just chip in a bit for RedHat: I actually have that installed on my university machine." - Linus, '95
Hrmm, I didn't see that misspelling. Anyways, storyboard discussion was not meant for perfect grammer or spelling. In addition it may have just been your browser, which if you update, which is what this post was all about anyways you might not have seen the space in the w or d. Try to stay civil next time. Thank you.
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While you're waiting, try the Tree Status and the Roadmap.
From these links, you can tell that 1.0 is scheduled for release in about 2 weeks, but from the current Tree status it looks like that might not be a realistic time frame...more like 4 weeks...
When MozillaZine is back up, make sure to check out the newest Build Comments...there's been alot of fixes recently...
It is both good and bad that AOL has decided to use Mozilla in the next AOL release. Unfortunately they are applying pressure to the Mozilla team to wrap it up and get the product out the door.
Case in point, bug 99344. The Mozilla team has known about this one for at least six months, yet the bug still lives. Now it is unlikely the fix will be made before 1.0. The project managers are being pressured to "back burner" bugs like this one to ship the product.
Why rush? AOL pushing them is a bad thing since bugs like this one are now getting out the door and tarnishing what *has* to be a near perfect product. Rushing out the door will NOT recover any market share, it is far too late for that unless AOL/others plan to show us why everyone *must* use Mozilla/Netscape 6.x. instead of IE. For your normal "Joe Sixpack" websurfer it is going to be difficult if not impossible to convince him to change since IE works for 99.9% of what he likes to do, regardless of security holes.
On the whole I am very happy with Mozilla, I use it as my primary browser on all platforms. Still, I can't totally hide my disappointment that some knowns issues are going on neglected, leaving web developers, yet again, to deal with the bugs. *sigh* nothing changes. Things have gotten MUCH better, yet...
We've got an internal web system thats supposed to be IE only. They only enforce the IE only stuff on the production site, not the development site. One of the developers was having an issue with cascading style sheets and kanji rendering properly. He came into my office and mozilla 0.9.9 rendered it perfectly while IE went to hell in a hand basket and was "generating an error log"
Needless to say, The developer went back and installed mozilla (though they still target IE) and I've been lobbying the manager of the project to widen the browser scope.
Three Cheers for the hard work put into the making of Mozilla. Its good to see what comes out of a development model thats based on quality, not time to ship.
Horray for a browser that at least makes an attempt at following standards (instead of trying to create ones!)
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
wow, the story's up for like 30 seconds and already the server's too busy to allow my connection... great job /.ers! w00+!
So people who view your site with it won't see it right, who cares, at least they can try to see it. You may end up blocking some other browsers that do work, while trying to block it.
And for the record, I have not had any problems with visibility in mozilla. My only problem with it is arrays of text boxes (like 10x10, could have something to do with their onchange) grind performance to a halt.
People more than ever need to go out there and download , test, and give bug reports.
I agree with your point, but why link to old builds? Asa says the -03-26 (linux and mac) and -03-27 (win32) builds are very good.
Don't just report bugs! Join the QA effort and help triage the bug reports!
Christopher
Mozilla
type about:mozilla in your location bar in ns4 and in mozilla to view the prophecies.
It is "only" 1.0, but that is a Major Milestone. Truly wonderful to see a non-zero int on the left of the decimal. Tis a Happy Day!! Congratulations to all involved. (Don't forget to do the backups tonight!! ;-) ) Thanks for the had work past, present, and future.
I'll be using IE
Until AOL change to use Mozilla. "Hey, der inty-net is broken!"
...that Mozilla 1.0 will be the default web browserin the GNU/Hurd OS.
Is anyone else tired of Taco plugging konqueror every time something good (or bad) happens to mozilla?
I will say that I sure hope they've managed to get some bugs fixed. Last night, 3 times in less than a hour, Mozilla 0.9.9 crashed on me when trying to use two tabbed windows of cruisercustomizing.com. I just stumbled across another bug in this very slashdot comment window. When I scroll to the end of the text field, it wraps around and starts scrolling from the top. Weird. I also hope they get some javascript problems ironed out. I still can't administrate my PacketShaper 4545 with Mozilla because the popup menus don't work. Still kudos to the Zilla folks for their biggest milestone.
Nobody will want to use it now because web surfing has lost it's luster...
I really like Mozilla. It's got a lot of excellent features, it looks good, it's come a long way, etc. But unfortunately it (v. 0.9.9) brings my work computer (Linux, 128MB RAM) grinding to a halt. It takes over 30 seconds to load, and there's a several second delay between when I highlight text or try to type anything.
Opera, on the other hand, loads in a flash, now supports all the plugins I need, has tabbed browsing, renders things very well, and aside from the JavaScript console has everything I ever needed from Mozilla and more. In fact, I even paid for Opera and have had no regrets.
At work I mostly only use Mozilla when I get to a site that assumes I have a lame browser that supports nothing because it's not Netscape or IE. Unfortunately it's a painfully long process to get to a page. I'm not flaming it, I love the browser, but I just can't use it on my low end work system.
With faster page rendering there is now an improved chance at first post ;)
"...and generally behaved in a manner one can only describe as despicable." - February 27 2001, Michael Sims
The parent post includes a complete copy of CmdrTaco's writing so he must have corrected the error. Damn him and his 1337 5K1|_|_Z.
A: i prefer larger text size on my browser because of a huge monitor and high resolution i run at. On IE, i can set the text size from smaller to larger and IE remembers that preference forever. Mozilla forgets my text size (i prefer 120%) as soon as i close the program. Any way to make that 120% permanent ?
B: I have a HUGE hosts file that i block crap like doubleclick.net, known spyware sites, porn sites, etc.....anything i dont like :) On some sites i visit a LOT, such as slashdot and cnn.com, i block the ad servers. Mozilla gives me an error of "connection refused when attempting to contact foobar.spyware.site.com". I know the connection was refused (grin), how do i keep mozilla from bitching about my blocked sites in my hosts file?
if i could solve those two issues, i'd almost never use IE again (dont get me wrong, i like IE6 a lot, but i dont like the idea of being trapped on one platform because of a browser, I want to be able to use win 32, linux, mac os X, etc, and have the same browser no matter what).
Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
A coworker of mine was complaining the other day about how Netscape 4.7x was being disabled for most webpages. He knew that Netscape 6 "Sucked @ss" and absolutely refused to have anything to do with IE. His problem was that Netscape 4.7 had trouble displaying nested tables. They took forever to load and locked up all the browser functions until the page had finished. I have not used Mozilla, but knew that it was supposed to be very good, so I recommended it. He downloaded and installed it last night.
This morning he came in raving about how good it was. He loved how easy it installed, how it detected all his preferences from netscape and allowed him to access his netscape mail, and how many useful options there were, not to mention that it displayed the nested tables even faster than IE.
Looks like I'll be spending time downloading tonight.
"...At the end of the day"..."when everyone goes home, you're stuck with yourself." RIP Layne Staley
After just d/l and installing 0.9.9 on a home & work pc's I have to do it again? *sigh*
Well at least I can use secure documents with my bank now, and don;t have to use Netscape.
BTW the tar for the binaries is large- 12mg or so. The source is even larger. If you want to compilehave at least 600mg on a drive somewher.
make Linux, not Microsoft. sin(beast) = -0.809016994374947424102293417182819
BTW i have used beta 1 of it for a long time.
And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed
and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days.
from The Book of Mozilla, 12:10
moz has come such a long way, and it's been fun to track it's progress. I've been running getmoz to dnld nightly builds of it constantly. It's a great way to help the QA of Mozilla builds as they move forward.
Check it out here: getmoz
Oh, and congrats to Mozilla devels, 0.9.9 is *so close* to perfect!
CB
There is no need to use a SlashDot sig for SEO...
actually, if it weren't for a certain multi-year agreement with MS to ship IE with AOL, they'd be using NS long ago. That contract will expire very soon (or be nullified?) and some version of NS will find it's way onto the (*shudder*) #1 ISP in America's main distribution.
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
Seriously, it's web developers like you who have totally and utterly ruined the web.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not actually defending Mozilla here, since I don't know if it's a bug or is properly following the standard. But, your attitude is really poor, and it's attitudes like yours that have made the web as lousy as it is today.
So, thanks, we all appreciate it.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
I think Commander Buttmunch can defend himself just fine without you.
Yea!
So that you know, mozilla is extremely extensible architecture, and you use javascript to write modules for it.
That makes it quite easy to write addons.
Like Optimoz.
In general, www.mozdev.org has alot of good apps already.
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Question B:
Well, it depends what you want to REALLY do. Moz can prohibit the accepting of cookies from specific sites, so you can take care of tracking sniffers. There is also the Moz plugin BannerBlind (mozdev.org) that can hide most banners.
And there's always pop-under Javascript prevention too!
Not quite a full solution to what you have in mind but part of the "spirit" of the problem you wish to solve.
I swear by MacOS X. Although I use to swear *at* MacOS 9...
Whenever there's a slashdot mozilla article, there's also the seemingly required collection of "It's too slow" comments.
However, if you haven't tried a nightly build recently, you aren't seeing the full picture. this graph shows the recent large performance gains that have recently gone into mozilla.
Personally, I find mozilla outrageously fast on Windows; faster than anything else I've tried. However, on Solaris and OSX, the performance isn't where I'd like it to be. (But as the graph above shows, it's getting better, and I've noticed it on OSX.). If you're a user of the Windows platform, and have heard the "slow performance" chatter that goes on, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
(In spite of the "I'd like it faster on Solaris" comment, that doesn't mean I don't like it. I still use mozilla exclusively on Solaris too; the tabbed browsing, integrated searching, and killing of popups would make it worthwhile at half the speed.)
There are also a large collection of performance bugs that probably won't make Moz 1.0, but do have a good chance of making 1.0.1. So there's even more good news just a little down the road.
And the biggest plugin annoyance of all time....installing a JRE. For the non-geek user this is just a pain. They don't want to have to download and install this as well as the browser. It makes things too complicated. I wonder if an open source JRE like Blackdown.org's JRE with the Mozilla could be included with Mozilla.
Also, Shockwave Flash has to be installed afterwards as well. IE on the other hand includes this in their browser. IE basically works out of the box, Mozilla doesn't. And the auto-plugin-installer crap doesn't work perfectly yet.
I'm a relative newbie to using mozilla. When using netscape, I often start more than one netscape process since if one process crashes it won't take down the unrelated netscape processes. Is this possible with mozilla? When I tried doing that it didn't seem to start a seperate process. Is their a way to force >1 mozilla process?
If you wanna track the progress, you can always go to the Make Mozilla 1.0 not suck metabug. This has been done for all releases since I can remember.
Take for instance the same bug for Mozilla 0.9.9...all bugs are tracked in here up until the final release.
In talking about this little 'browser war' don't forget about Opera. Opera is *faster* than Mozilla, *smaller* than Mozilla and, IMHO, *definitely* more stable than Mozilla. I can't say anything for or against Konqueror since I've never used it, but I can say for sure that as Mozilla has gotten closer to 1.0 it's gotten slower, flakier, and more crash-prone.
None for me, thanks. I've had enough of Blowzilla. I'll use Opera on my Linux boxes...
Polymorphism -- It's what you make of it.
bring back web surfing, since it seems to have 'lost it's luster'!!!!
But bad jokes aside, I'm really glad that this finally happened. I've submitted my share of bug reports, and even seen a few get fixed. It's a great project and the thing about it is that everyone can help. There really isn't another browser with the power that mozilla has.
I use it all the time now, there are only a handful of sites that don't support it that I goto. If a site doesn't support another browser besides IE then I just don't use it.
Not all that long ago, MozillaZine went down because of bandwidth issues, had to get a new host, was soliciting for donations all over the place. Now, in gratitude, the site gets submitted to Slashdot. Yeah. Exactly *why* was it necessary to submit *MozillaZine* for this? Couldn't the main Mozilla website have served just as well? Presumably, it'd be better able to support the bandwidth usage. Not to mention that it's better to reference directly to the source--i.e., Mozilla--than another reference--i.e., MozillaZine, which just hosts a forum and some news and occasionally has reviews of nightly builds. It makes me feel guilty for even reading this site. Can't people post responsibly for once?
according to the roadmap, we can expect the first branches of moz1.0 tomorrow (friday). this is rather unrealistic. based on the fact that the branch on 0.9.9 was 8 days late, I am guessing that we will see the first branches around the 4th of April (although, remember that the entire 0.9.9 build has essentially been a frozen branch towards 1.0, so perhaps they'll be on time).
If you see a release announcement for 1.0 on Monday, April Fools to you!
... no way will it be out that early; releases are scheduled for a week after the branching but have recently been 10-20 days, so expect Mozilla 1.0 sometime around 4/20 (I wonder what a release on that day would mean for the nature of the party?).
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
Well, it is. I mean, it's from Norway. Right?
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I said this just after the 0.9.9 release -- and I'll reiterate those points, because none of them have been fully fixed... and I don't mean just little niggling things, (although the <TEXTAREA bug is at least bearable now), I mean serious crash issues.
:/.
For example, what happens if I try to print two pages in a row that contain moderate numbers of images? Inevitably, the browser crashes long and hard. It was suggested that printing problems might be fixed in 0.9.9, but I had the same issues, all over again. I would hope that high visiblity crashes such as these would be caught and fixed well before 1.0, so that all the "fringe" test cases that might arise from this bug might be weeded out as well. Alas, such doesn't appear to be the case.
Oh well. Perhaps I'll enter another bug, although I find it hard to believe that something like this hasn't been reported yet. Of course, regardless, my bug will just be pushed off to a 1.0+ milestone
ALL OEM's include it. Period. Sorry but this is the way it is. Having AOL use moz as its rendering engine does crap. Real progress will not come until Moz/Netscape is included with every PC shipped.
Ok lets say that happens.
Still everyone will use IE. Why you ask? Because IE just plain works, its free and included. The average person just does not care about antitrust. Don't believe me? Where is the pubic outcry over MS. People just want to surf the web and read email. In light of this I just don't see a positive outcome for all of the hard work people have put into moz.
Sorry to sound so negative but those are the facts.
I'm on my way to spend my 10 bugzilla voting points on my favorite bugs.
You may want to do the same, I bet it matters more now then before. As a matter of fact, all bugs I have previously voted on have been resolved, so I have all 10 votes back.
bugzilla.mozilla.org
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
This may be offtopic (Hell it is...mod me down). :(. That is kinda my clan site. And I need to visit it once a day atleast to figure out whats happening.
But since I use mozilla as my primary browser. Here goes. This site,
poo-clan, doesn't seem to work. Anybody have any idea why ? I am using 0.99
Anyway, I love the tabbed browsing. Check out the pinball theme. It looks awesome. I already have nearly retired IE.
Slashdot: Tabloid for the nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter.
So, you want to be trapped on one browser, instead?
Now, IE has continuous rollouts, etc, which can be done via some push technology (sms, etc - none of which we have in our small environment). Therefore, a big 'win' would be how we could roll out mozilla updates to remote clients without a huge pain. Has anyone had experience in this area?
user_pref("font.minimum-size.fixed", 14);
user_pref("font.minimum-size.variable", 14);
At first I thought it would be IE for OS X. Until I realized it was "5.1" and could not function properly as a simple FTP site browser (what's up with passive mode on IE, anyway?). After playing with different FTP plugins, gave up and downloaded Mozilla 0.9.9 for OS X. No problems as a simple FTP client. Cool.
But I began using Mozilla more and more because it was useful and more comfortable than IE (or iCab, et al; I went through three other browsers on the Mac but wasn't impressed). Tabs, ChatZilla (which is getting better), and, did I mention tabs? Yes, I used these features on Linux, but on the Mac it's quick and responsive.
If you use OS X, you should give Mozilla a try - it's a better browser.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
The Mac OS X and 9.1 builds are not quite as stable. The last build for OS X would crash when I used the IMAP email client. Still, it's nice.
I'm wondering when they are going to put spell checking in. The Netscape 6 releases all have a spell checker, and NONE of the Mozilla releases have such support....
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
I moderate therefore I rule!
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I had run across the same problem and what I did was, after setting the visibility to hidden, I set the top to -1000. What that did was make it so it would hide the div in browser where it works and move it of the screen for browsers that did not, giving the illusion of hiding it.
I am a diehard IE user (and Proxomitron user, and ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 hosts file editor) simply because all too often, sites don't work with OTHER BROWSERS.
For instance, if you try to do a search on the MSI forums page it doesn't work with Mozilla 0.9.9. Many other sites experience similar problems. Like my online banking page doesn't like Mozilla.
You can whine all you want about Webmasters not abiding by WWW standards and using custom extensions, but you know what? At the end of the day you still need to use IE to view their site. And I am not in a position to shun all poorly crafted web sites because of some ideological motivation, be it hatred of MS or proprietary webmasters.
All you haters out there, why don't quit yer bitchin and build a browser with the same functionality as IE? I would love to get off the MS train but none of the other browsers work.
(IE 6 is kind of a piece of crap too, but IE 5.x works well for me.)
--The Supreme Court recommends that all US companies hire illegal immigrants, they're cheaper and have no protection from unfair labor practices.
Geeeze. Next thing, people are gonna be telling me that Bill Gates went to Harvard for a while.
Best Slashdot Co
Why Netscape 6 GUI is so slow? It sometimes reminds me java GUIs ;-) If the Mozilla had spent tons of hours that's probably a way the guys enjoy their lives, not to sympathize them, I would probably find something else to spend my time...
Read between the lines, moderators. The implication is that hell froze over, because 1.0 finally came out. The post is perfectly on topic.
slashdot!=valid HTML
You can press Ctrl+N to get a new window, and Shift click links to open a navigate to the clicked URL in a new window. Yes, they are killer features.
Sorry i just can't help it.. mod me down if you must but MOZILLA MOZILLA ALL HAIL THE GOD THAT IS MOZILLA!!!!!!!
Nostrodamus predicted that in the year of 2 and 2, the great beast would become one with man.
I bow to you oh lord Mozilla.
Hear our words as we beg your justness.
Please rule us in this time.
Protect us Mozilla, from IE bugs and Spyware.
Render our pages and we shalt not sin.
We will live by the laws of the W3C.
We will use SVG above Flash.
We will write and validate our code.
We shalt not lower ourselves to VBScript.
ALL HAIL MOZILLA
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Sure is. I do it myself, as I don't like to squint when browsing - I have a desktop resolution of 1600x1200. Add the following line to your prefs.js file - it's in ~/.mozilla/default/XXX.slt/, where XXX is something unique to the user:
You can replace 18 with whatever you like, of course. Enjoy!
We who were living are now dying
With a little patience
It's very nice. I just found out about custom keywords today, and they rock.
You can set up a book mark that takes a parameter and has a shortcut keyword. So now when I type "g keyword" into the urlbar it searches Google for my keyword. Browsing will never be the same :-).
It is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail. - Abraham Maslow
Mozilla has some truly amazing features that put it over IE in some ways.
Tabbed browsing being one of them. This is an idea whose time has come as even my father surfs the web with 4 or 5 browser windows open. Amongst other tab-opening options, you can set your middle mouse button to automatically open a page in a new tab which is quite a handy feature.
What else is there in the application that beats out IE? I'm making a list to stir up some trouble here at work.
Heil Sig! -Rob
Anyone who uses "kludge" in a sentence
What's wrong with the word kludge? I use the word occasionally, and I even found it in Boggle once while playing with my family.
The shareholder is always right.
Last time I installed a Mozilla milestone release, it lasted about 20 seconds. I tried to resize a frame and it died horribly.
And why is it that no one ever tests the browsers extensively in a proxy configuration? Netscape and IE, at least, both handle failed name resolution very poorly if you're using a proxy.
We've still got a ways to go here. Check-ins to the tree are being tightly managed by the Mozilla "drivers" and we're working on getting it into shape for branching. When we get a handle on a few more bugs we'll create a Mozilla 1.0 branch and do a fairly quick Release Candidate 1. This will be a preview of what's to come with the final Mozilla 1.0 and an oportunity to gather feedback and TalkBack crash data that we will respond to over the following weeks as we approach the Mozilla 1.0 release.
--Asa
Will Mozilla 1.0 print Russian web pages?
0.99 on my Linux Mandrake 8.0 ignores Russian letters completely.
Opera may load up faster but its slower at rendering pages.
IE is faster than Mozilla but not faster at rendering pages.
I dont really care how fast the browser loads, as long as it renders pages fast.
Theres no way anyone can convince me IE or Opera can load pages faster than mOzilla, in my own tests Mozilla beat both browsers on every site I go to.
Mozilla does have issues with javascript, thats one area IE and Opera win, but in all other Areas, Mozilla kicks ass.
I compared IE 6(or whatever the newest one is), Mozilla nightly, Opera6.
Mozilla is just fast as hell, pages render instantly no matter what page it is. Mozilla has never crashed, Konq has crashed, I admit Opera doesnt crash, but IE crashes more than Mozilla at this point.
Have fun with slow rendering fast loading Opera.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
I've tried Mozzilla multiple times and besides all the bugs, the performance to too slow, and the interface too glitzy. I still use Netscape 4.n no my 'nix boxes and IE on Windows. Both have much cleaner interfaces. I sometimes use Opera, pretty good interface and Konqueror still imature. I'll give Mozzilla 1.0 a shot, but I doubt it has changed much.
Because I dont know any browser besides mozilla which INSTANTLY goes back and forward and instantly renders pages.
You are telling me you think IE is faster? Opera? hahaha
Ok for a test, instead of looking at the page as it renders, look at the seconds it takes.
I tested both opera and mozilla in linux, Opera gets destroyed on every site. Mozilla loads every site instantly.
IF your computer is having opera load pages faster its due to your lack of ram or CPU cycles to display the pages at the speed mozilla renders them.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
On a side note, personally, I believe javascript and flash are both evil. I need content, not some promo banner popping up every few seconds.
Obi Wan says: You don't ~~ *need* Microsoft
lol
Theres thousands using Opera, theres millions using mozilla
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
When Netscape first released the source code *four* years ago...
/. user accounts/logins. One could post as a AC (as I used to do), or could post using any nick of your choosing. Linux stories on the web were rare (and newsworthy for a /. story). IIRC, beowulf cluster jokes were funny back then, and First Posts! were still the norm. Hot grits was something I would eat, not something that I would consider pouring down my pants. Thank You.
There were no
ever tried to install mozilla on a old-school mac? even on a G3 it performs bad and has huge resource requirements.
where does this come from?
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"Remove the Stone of Shame. Attach the Stone of Triumph!"
--Number 1
Stonecutter, Springfield Chapter
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Ctrl + N does the same thing.
Ctrl + Button1 opens the clicked link in a new window.
Button2 opens the clicked link in a new window, too.
None of these are "killer features."
You can add this stuff in yourself, that's what i did, so now i have a home button and right next to it a button to toggle the bookmarks (the left tab thing). You have to modify a few lines in comm.jar,just "find" it and unzip, look for navigator.xul, navigator.css, navigator.js and look around, not hard to figure it out, all the interface stuff is in there and in files all around, you'll also have to modify a few other things (button images and such).
If someone knows a place where i can put the whole procedure i wouldn't mind doing it.
Mozilla rocks. Especially when you replace its funky frontend by Galeon. Galeon rocks. Galeon. http://galeon.sourceforge.net. Galeon. Mozilla.
Great news!
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There is still one thing I'm disappointed with - I was hoping p3p (cookie privacy levels) would be enabled by 1.0. We were given false hope in the form of a non-functional preferences panel, which was removed a build or two ago. p3p can be enabled if you compile from source, but it doesn't look like it'll be enabled in the binaries, as discussed in this bug:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128
Seems it didn't get the hundreds of votes it needed.
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ok lets benchmark the load of slashdot. Moz, Konq, Opera. I'm going to load the main page, everyone here can do it too and make sure its accurate. .9x nightly vs
Mozilla
Konq 2.2.1 vs
Opera 6 beta 1.
Slashdot mainpage Mozilla 1.06 seconds.
Reload
Slashdot mainpage Mozilla 1.25 seconds.
OSDN main page Mozilla 1.498 seconds.
Reload
OSDN main page Mozilla 3.4 seconds.
Slashdot main page Konqueror 3 seconds
Reload
Slashdot main page Konqueror 1 second
OSDN main page Konqueror 4 seconds
Reload
OSDN main page Konqueror 3 seconds
Slashdot main page Opera 2 seconds
Reload
Slashdot main page Opera 2 seconds
OSDN main page Opera 6 seconds
Reload
OSDN main page Opera 4 seconds.
This debate needs to be ended once and for all, I challenge ANYONE to host an official benchmarking test suite where thousands us at slashdot can go and benchmark Opera vs Mozilla vs Konq vs IE and once and for all prove Mozilla is fastest.
I know it wins at OSDN and Slashdot.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
Time would have been better spent kicking MS in the bollocks to persuade them to port the Solaris version of IE to our favorite OS.
Mozilla, 5 years late and a
Curmudgeon
I wasn't aware that the P3 came in 833MHz (either 133x6.25 or 66x12.5)...
unless you just massively overclocked a 667 (133x5.0 to 166x5.0)
Mozilla is not a light browser, its a powerful one. Theres the Gecko engine, and theres Mozilla. Mozilla is the XUL based browser which is designed to be compatible with all OS's.
The Gecko engine however has been ported to NATIVE interfaces, and in these cases, it loads as fast as IE and Opera also coded for Native interfaces.
Opera seems to have the fastest load time and most efficient code (meaning no memory leaks and optimized)
Kmeleon is about as fast as IE and uses the same native interface as IE.
Galeon for Linux is as fast as things get for Linux.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
You don't need to edit the prefs.js file anymore for that. You can go to the menu Edit->Preferences, then open the "Appearance" category, select fonts, and set your font sizes there. There is a drop box near the bottom right that sets the minimum font size as well. I use 15 pt. fonts for default setting, and 13 for the minimum setting.
There has to be a party...right? I mean...all the suffering and anticipation (I'll miss that) and now we're just supposed to take 1.0 use it and be happy? I want a party. It should be everywhere. International holiday maybe. Free drinks. And lot's of red lizards.
"everyone's different....I am the same"
What I want that's close to this, but not quite, is the ability to have macros as part of bookmarks.
Speecifially I dual boot between Windows & Linux, and like to use the same set of bookmarks on both OS's (I just copy then via a shared drive). The trouble is that my local links (to documention and locally cached websites - I wget them if they're slow) are file://c:\ in windows, and file:///mnt/c/ in Linux.
It seems the way to be able to use these bookmarks from either OS would be to define them as $(prefix)/ with some convenient way to set the macro $(prefix).
Or maybe there's already a way to do it?
Did they ever implement Digest Access Authentication? It works in IE and Opera, but the last time I checked it wasn't in Netscape, not sure about Mozilla.
I agree with you that Netscape 4.x was a bug ridden piece of shit and every web designer's nightmare back in the day, but in 2002 we've got this thing called Mozilla that actually works ninety percent of the time and that is practically nothing like Netscape, not even Netscape 6, which sucks almost as bad as its predecessor. Mozilla 0.9.99999999999 is a great browser and if you're not indulging on IE-centric JavaScript, you'll have no problems with it whatsoever. Well, a few, but nothing serious.
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I started on Linux in 1996 or so. I used netscape then of course, like everyone. This continued until last year when OSX came out and I bought a Mac. I used IE 5 up until about 2 months ago when i started using the mozilla nightly builds.
Mozilla is slow as hell to start up. I'm guessing this is because of the mail client and composer etc.. I truely hope the Mozilla people release an installer for 1.0 that will allow us to pick which components we want. I use Entourage for email and wont be giving it up. I hate that when clicking on a mailto: link in mozilla it uses it's mail client, why wont it use the system default like every other browser??
Omniweb comes close but its just to buggy and slow. IE is also buggy, but at least its moderately fast. iCab is just downright ugly and Opera is cool but the interface is a joke.
All in all Mozilla is the best browser on OSX right now, hands down. If they would just allow us to ditch the crap we don't want/need and speed up its start times I would be in hog heaven.
I can't believe this is modded up to a 2. I hope this is because you have karma to burn.
This is the single biggest load of crap I ever hear about open source. "Why don't you fix it yourself?" Here's an obvious answer: because I have better things to do with my time.
Just because something is open source does not give it license to be impervious to complaints. You know how many complaints I have about gcc, the linux kernel, OpenOffice, Mozilla, to name a few? Not to say they're bad, but they need improvements.
And then the dimwit comes along: Why don't you fix them all yourself, there's only close to a million lines of code there you have to get a grip on, not to mention make time for.
Get a grip man....
Mozilla is *not* exactly like IE, Opera or Konqueror. Yes, you can browse the web with all these products.
But Mozilla is more than a browser. Mozilla is a developpment framework. It's also a graphic toolkit, and a powerful language, whoose other components are based upon.
It means that Mozilla is far more flexible than other browsers. You can write games or word processors with Mozilla without any external library. And the result will be clean, based on fully documented standards, and portable across all platforms Mozilla can run on.
So when Mozilla 1.0 will be released, it will only be the _beginning_ of the story. The framework will be there and solid, and applications will show its true power.
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Have you tried Galeon yet? I use it exclusively on Linux and would sell my soul for a Windows version. It takes much of the overhead from Mozilla out yet keeps the great rendering engine.
Fortran programmer...oh yeah. Array math for life!
I went to a computer show slightly before Netscape got bought by AOL and right around the time when they released Mozilla and created mozilla.org.
I was talking to the Netscape reps there.. Netscape's view on this "browser war" is that there shouldn't be one.. that the browsers shoul follow the standards, that way no user is disallowed from the content on the internet. that's why mozilla is so promoted as standards compliant.. the reason for different browsers is choice.. nothing more.. some prefer mozilla, some opera, konqueror, or yes for some reason even M$ explorer. but as long as everyone follows a standard there's just a war on who has the better content...
Sorry about the topic change, but /. has been doing funky things for me recently.
Fortran programmer...oh yeah. Array math for life!
I'd say it has less to do with choice and more to do with allowing products to compete on their merits, choice in this context is a matter of consequence.
Competition is often refered to as war. The Japanese used to, perhaps still do, refer to business as war. Atheletes such as football players consider themselves gladiators who go to war with each other. Is it so far fetched that competing companies, even competing coders would consider their competition a war? Perhaps it's not politically correct, but the point is, refering to it as a war puts the individual or team of individuals in a winners state of mind. It's a battle for market share, hence a "war".
Yeah, but IE smells real bad.
I mean reaaaaal bad.
Plus after using it the Devil only needs to buy
half your soul.
He can get the other half from his protoge billg.
Don't feed the Beast.
I'm running Mozilla on all of my machines, even a PII-233 Linux workstation, and it's definately faster than anything else I've tried.
It absolutely flies on my dual-boot WinXP/Slackware 8.0 machines, in both Windows and Linux.
Long live Mozilla.
Look every browser has something that it does
better than the others.
Moz is great.
But in a lot of ways it is playing catch up to Opera.
Still,
Go Moz
Before you label me a troll, go ahead and try it. Closely compare the IE and Mozilla on UNIX output and look at the size/quality of the generated PostScript. And god forbid the page uses a font other than the 12 builtin Adobe fonts (even if it does it has a problem distiquishing between Monospaced and variable width text on the same page). *Sigh*.
I just loaded the Win32 version, and while I was impressed with the Linux version, I am even more impressed by the Win32 version. By far the most application friendly install I have ever had. It didn't change a single file association or anything, and prompted me what changes I'd like to make, if any. The browser is very fast (PIII-900) and pages load great. Very nice work!
Why does mozillaZine.org feature the launching of the Hindenburg? Is there some deeper message here?
This feature is already in just about every browser *except* Mozilla. It's in Skipstone and Galeon at least, and has been for some time.
Unix/Linux decided printing is not really needed.
Being future minded, Unix/Linux is "Paperless Society ready".
before you sell your soul,
,but they
have a look at Kmeleon.
A new version should be out any week now.
Our you can try a Beta version.
It may not be as good as Galeon is
will get there.
Opera reported over a million downloads of its Linux version, with strong interest from Asia and Eastern Europe.
With true multi-windowed browsing, mouse gestures, and easy configuration (e.g turning off those damned pop-ups is a menu item), its hard to understand why some people are knocking it.
And the rendering is FAST.
Lynx owns j00
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
And all who contributed. Good job guys, and once again grats on 1.0. Now, whens the next version...? =p
from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
(Red Letter Edition)
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Put this code in bookmark URL (one line):
javascript:function htmlEscape(s){s=s.replace(/&/g,'&');s=s.replac e(/>/g,'>');s=s.replace(/' + htmlEscape('\n' +document.documentElement.innerHTML + '\n')); x.document.close();
Try K-Meleon - I think it's time to find satans phone number ;)
Repeat after me:
The megahertz myth is not a myth.
Mac OSX is a slow operating system.
Macintosh machines are expensive.
I don't need more than one mouse button but i really want two.
thank you.
...you prefer it, even in cases where it is inferior (not talking about Mozilla, just being hypothetical) to a proprietary solution?
...so don't get mad.....]
..You mean like posting on the Slashdot boards that you would find a better way to spend your time???
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
To crank things up several notches, enable 'HTTP Pipelining' in the Preferences (Debug -> Networking) and restart Mozilla. It's pretty cool, and by cool, I mean totally sweet.
I would like to give a big thank you to the wonderful readers of slashdot who posted links to bugzilla pages.
Thanks to the traffic you generated, I can't do any work on bugzilla right now.
Slashdot should have a new article posted: "Slashdot impedes mozilla development"
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Violators will be prosecuted and prosecutors will be violated.
If a site doesn't work in Mozilla, create a "tech evangelism" bug in bugzilla and watch the pro's tear into the people who designed that website.
These people have been amazingly succesful in getting websites standards-compliant (which has the result that they'll work right in Mozilla as well).
stupid munger ate the script... :)
javascript:function htmlEscape(s){s=s.replace(/&/g,'&');s= s.replace(/>/g,'>');s=s.replace(/</g, '<');return s;}x=window.open(); x.document.write('<pre>' + htmlEscape('<html>\n' +document.documentElement.innerHTML + '\n</html>')); x.document.close();
This would effectively replace the W3C with Microsoft. Which do you think is more realistic to implement, a specific published standard or Microsoft's hack-of-the-week-to-break-the-competition? Show us where Microsoft's implementation of html rendering is FULLY documented and perhaps it will be considered.
Netscape 4.x is NOT crap. It's fast as hell,
and it renders pages that were designed with a clue very well.
That's the funniest thing I've read all week.
Thanks!
C-X C-S
Another fun story - I tried upgrading IE 5.5 to IE6 and it broke on a web-based bug tracking system (fairly horrible system, lots of Javascript). I eventually downgraded to IE5.5 (which was not easy) and then tried Mozilla 0.9.8, which worked perfectly...
Clearly Mozilla is the natural upgrade path for IE 5.5!
You think Taco's spaces between letters are bad? Check this out
Keyboard shortcuts for everything. If you're into that, Opera beats anything else out there. Moz took its cue to implement mouse gestures from Opera. iCab is the only browser I've seen that has more preference options than Opera. Opera puts the user experience first, IMO.
Much like the Win-Mac dynamic, the little guy innovates. Opera is where you see the cool stuff first.
Sure, the UI is different than other browsers. Who cares? Who says the generally Mosaic-ish UI that IE and Moz have been using for years is the best/only one?
Constitutionally Correct
Another annoying one I discovered on a page I am writing. Have 3 password fields (common to have user type old password, then new one twice to confirm) and moz's password manager dialog comes up with the option to change the password FOR OTHER SITES, NOT THE ONE YOU ARE ON!...don't dare click OK, or your passwords for another site will be reset!
I don`t know about mozilla, but galeon definately has a feature to let you block images from certain sites. I have a long list of banner serving sites there now. Before that i had a squid proxy running on another machine that was configured to strip out banners from certain sites.
Alternatively you could configure your router to deny traffic from the denied sites, with any icmp error message, or just to silently drop it so it would time out.
http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
Well, no, not really. I can just view their competitor's site. Which is what I do.
So I guess that as long as your business doesn't have any competitors, you don't have to worry about it.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
If that is your argument against mozilla, just use konqueror, which supports this. Oh, you use Windows.
Moritz
As spoken by a true mongoloid.
Actually, it looks like that option made it into the preferences dialog in the latest builds.
Web browsing has lost hits luster. Will Mozilla save this industry? Is it to blame? Is it just me who finds it ironic that the previous story was about web browsing becoming less enthralling.
;))
(Well, the description also said Web Trolling was less appealing. Presumably since both BSD and Linux have finally died thereby killing the two most common trolling topics
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
right-clicking to select "open in new window" is slow in IE because IE requires two clicks for context menus.
Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean -- Mozilla requires two clicks as well, and will do so until bug 89308, which I notice you have voted for, is fixed.
???
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
Whats all this %20 shit in my bookmarks?
There is a great browser based on IE's rendering engine called NetCaptor that has had tabbed browsing in Windows for quite a while. It is shareware, so that kinda sucks, but with the other features (popup blocking, url blocking, aliases, built-in translation, tons more) its worth it IMO. I would heartily recommend it to any Windows user who enjoys the tabbed browsing but can't take Mozilla for whatever reason. Check it out at www.netcaptor.com.
(and no, I don't work for NetCaptor.)
Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
That script gives you the current Document Object Model of the page you are viewing. IOW, if the page contains some JavaScript which changes some images, adds some text, or in some other way modify the page, you will get the source code including those changes. You will not get the original source.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
%20 is hexdecimal notiation for the ASCII value for a space.l ooks%20l ike%20this.
So%20a%20URL%20with%20spaces%20in%20it%20
Well, since most sites are designed for IE5+ you must have some pretty slim pickins for sites to go see bub!
"slim pickins"?
"Bub"?
OH MY GOD! ANN LANDERS READS SLASHDOT!
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
Mozilla 1.0 party.
Bugzilla is your friend.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
So you hit F-11 and go full screen and you don't see the banner ad....and that's why opera 6 kicks ass(also the fact that it is really fast, renders most stuff without complaint, and in terms or page render speed...I'm reading something else while a page is rendering). I have found it to be faster than mozilla in the past, though I haven't tried the 1.0 yet and plan to do so know.
Insanity is contagious. - Yossarian
You want to call Konq. and Mozilla a browser war? look at weblogs people, +90% of the hits of most major sites see Internet Explorer, not your fabled two browsers that are good, but not widely used.
Well maybe the people who were actually coding it had better things to do with *their* time?
This is a pretty trivial issue if you ask me. You want the source? Save the page to a file.
Mozilla Mail is a different story. Functional, but very unpolished and not ready for heavy use. I should know, I've been using it heavily for the past two weeks as a trial run. Basically it needs a UI guy to go over it and flesh out the bugs.
In short, works but definitely not ready for prime time.
And a lot of other things which I am currently far too tired to remember. Goodnight.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
So does this mean now people can write themes (skins) that will work for the current, and future mozilla's???
I've been out of the Mozilla developer scene for some time, but as one of the perpetrators of making the thing work on BSD/OS I can say that changing compilers can be quite painful. 99.99% of the code will just compile fine, but debugging those few lines of code that get miscompiled is a daunting task.
./configure :-) of the developers.
There is also a (very small) piece of code in Mozilla that needs to know the exact memory layout of the C++ vtables. Took me a week to come up with a four line diff to make it work on my platform.
If it was as easy as
CC=ccc
make
someone would've done it by now. Performance has always been of prime concern (and fear
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
The plugin API is cast in concrete. Plugins for Netscape 6 ought to drop in to Mozilla just fine.
.swf animations called from spams and trying to call back home to mention that my e-mail address was alive and kicking and begging for more spam. God thing the firewall caught it.
I'm happy that Mozilla doesn't come with all the plugin crap that's part of Netscape 6 and IE.
I browse with paranoid settings, and I'm constantly amazed by the amount of crap that sails right through IE's settings. That bit is done much better by Mozilla (still far from perfect though). But plugins like Flash still give away your whole machine to the nasties.
On more than one occasion, I've seen
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
Want something far better? Try the GNOME mini-commander applet. You can specify shortcuts for things all over your system, not just your browser. It will save you the step of opening the browser everytime you want to use a shortcut.
oh... i even dream of letting the bookmark remember
this kind of stuffs when i add a site to bookmark.
a new feature request?
I don't think K-Meleon has been updated in a long time - it's being built on Mozilla 9.5, and a new version hasn't been released since October of last year.
I have the same experience. Runing Win98 on PC with very limited resources (old precessor and only 128MB of memory). Found out to my surprise that Mozilla runs faster than IE. Maintain the latest version of both IE and Mozilla, but using Mozilla most of the time.
And get this. My fiancee runs windows 2k on her 300 celeron and was getting really tired of IE crashing, being slow, etc. So, I installed Mozilla 0.9.9, setup tabbed browsing, and told her to try it out. She doesn't use IE anymore! She finds Mozilla to be faster, easier, and much much more stable. She also likes the tabbed browsing.
Mozilla may still lack in some areas where IE shines, I don't really know I don't use IE, but Mozilla sure has turned out to be a great contender.
That is all.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
The bug was difficult to reproduce, and I just happened to find the conditions under which it would happen.
Anyway, it was only a small effort on my part but it was helpful.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Ontopic, but Redundant since about 10 people have already posted jokes about it.
Finally, we will see the return of competition to internet browsers. People are finally willing to try alternatives to IE. Hopefully we won't see ghettoization, with IE dominant on windows and Mozilla dominanant everywhere else.
Well, no, not really. I can just view their competitor's site. Which is what I do.
This may sound odd to you, but the level of W3C compliance of the Forum section of MSI's web page played no role in my purchasing decision. Similarly, I have no plans to leave my credit union because their cheesy internet banking app doesn't support small-time browsers. Is that flamebait or pragmatism? Maybe it's just laziness.
As for any web sites I've had a hand in creating, which I can count on one thumb, you can at least get to the content whether you're using IE or Lynx.
I'm not the one who needs to be evangelized. Sorta like in Field of Dreams -- "If you build it, they will come." If we could get some webmasters to build better sites AND/OR build a better browser I would be using Opera or Mozilla or whatever. But the way things are today, I've yet to see a site where IE couldn't deliver content to my screen. In my humble experience, no other browser can make that claim.
It only it didn't crash on OpenBSD... :(
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My solution for problem B) was to run a local web server (Apache). I have a rewrite rule to redirect everything to 'index.html', which is a zero-byte file. My hosts file on each box I use simply points offending domains to my BSD box's IP, which runs the Apache web server (I used to run my own DNS cache which made this even easier, eg edit one place to affect all boxes on the network).
This way, those silly I-frame ads and banner images will simply (and instantly, no waiting for timeouts) show empty.
You could even do this using an external web site, if you have an extra IP laying around not being used on port 80, though that may be a bit wasteful depending on the circumstances...
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Now, I pride myself on coding to >99% compliancy with W3C standards, but there are some arguments -- such as this -- that are completely rediculous. CSS was made SPECIFICALLY to control style and layout! As such, CSS should be able to control EVERY ASPECT of a site. The nice thing about CSS is that if you don't want someone fucking with a certain setting, you can tell your web browser to not change it. I think that the scrollbar extension is a great thing to have -- instead of seeing big gray bars running through iframes you can see colours that blend in with the site and don't stick out like a sore thumb.
Honestly, before you start lecturing about how scrollbar-* is a Bad Thing(tm) and bla bla, why not first try getting sites that preach the gospel to conform to defined standards?
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You should send Taco all correspondence here. See? You can find info without the benefit of whois!
...I'm afraid to look, because filters for newsgroups may not have made it in.
Mozilla's view source bug -- the one where it reloads the page from the server instead of displaying the cached source -- THE most frequently reported bug in Bugzilla -- HAS FINALLY BEEN FIXED!!!! :-D
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The checkin was made less than an hour ago! See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55583
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
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Font tags are ugly, I never use em. However, what is the problem with CSS? If your browser can't handle them (The Nescape 3.0 and 2.0 hits I still get, maybe WebTV which is close to 1% on one site), it doesn't. No harm, no foul.
Given different pixel sizes? No biggie, I look at the user agent, Netscape and Mac users get different font sizes, not a big deal. We're not talking about a complicated switch statement. IE users get the default.
I mean, writing your pages as HTML 4.01 Transitional and CSS 1.0 isn't that hard. If you must do XHTML, CSS 2.0, or other "newer" technologies, just keep a Netscape 4.x browser with you. Look at the page, make sure it works.
Sure some of your CSS formatting won't be there, but the site should be usable and its content all gets across. The problem is you guys being lazy, this isn't rocket science.
If you have issues maintaining it, do XSLT or use a database to power the site. The "pages" can all be a collection of paragraphs with the occaisional class declaration, do everything else in your programming logic.
Alex