I support open source, but open source isnt how our system and laws are currently set up. If the world was actually a community, then I'd help everyone, face it the world is not a community, in the workplace its me vs you vs joe.
I'm not going to help you take my raise, or make myself less valueable so i'm not useful anymore.
Time. Do you want to spend your life learning diffrent programming languages, or studying quantum mechanics and doing insane math, every day at work and all night just so you can keep up with some other guy who just happens to naturally be good with math and programming?
Not everyone is naturally good at math or programming but when you raise the bar, everyone has to become good at it.
Raising the bar higher and higher eventually causes a person to make a choice, live a life of school, college, learning, and adapting at every moment, or be a sys admin
not everyone wants to be a damn rocket scientist, not everoyne should be forced to do so, and the tech industry shouldnt force people to do this, i like technology, i dont like math or programming, i have my skillset, i understand programming i just hate doing it,
If everyone is forced to be a programmer, then alot of people will have careers doing something they hate, and dont act like they can c hoose to do something else, these kinds of jobs will be all thats left eventually.
There was a shortage then, now theres no shortage.
Back then we werent in recession, you just dont get it, they arent begging you to work for them anymore, you cant just walk in the door anymore, the door is closed, you have to sneak in through the back, or rip the door open yourself.
Skills dont matter, its all experience and degrees that matter.
If you were getting into the field now instead of when you were 16 during the highest of highs in the tech industry, well you would be working at the helpdesk.
I'm not unAmerican, and whats wrong with socialism?
Are you one of those anti Communist Absolte Pro Capitalist crusader guys?
Ok well listen, Capitalism is not perfect, its like a pyramid, you are either at the top or at the bottom, telling others how to get to the top, simply raises the bar, you wont be at the top anymore, you'll be in the middle, or at the bottom with the rest of them.
The logic is simple, a magician never reveals his secrets, keep your tricks to yourself, dont teach anyone because essentially everyone is your competition.
Eventually you are going to get old, and some smarter, younger, highly educated college kid is going to come knowing more than you do.
Unless you plan to go to college every 4 years, you wont be able to keep up, and no not everyone wants to go to college all their life, some people just want a normal career, you know where you spend your time in college, get a degree, and then go to work for at least 10-15 years before having to go and take a few courses.
I understand you have to learn and be smart to work in the computer industry, but at age 40 when you have kids and a wife do you really want to come home and study, then go to your college courses, I mean you'll have a pretty damn horrible life if all you do is work, college, study then sleep.
I doubt you'd even have time for a wife if you had one if you live your job 100 percent of the time just to keep up with the jones on every level.
We need stability, careers again, not everyone wants to switch careers every few years because we keep educating people and building machines which replace our jobs.
Any programmers who build machines to self heal are just raising the bar higher and higher until eventually we will have computers which can program themselves and computers which can repair themselves, sure saves money for rich CEOs but it does nothing for us, absolutely nothing.
I am not in a rush to be forced to get a PHD, and deal with courses on nano technology, and quantum physics, I do read up on it in my free time, but by raising the bar its going to force all of us to move at a faster pace.
Perhaps when you get tired of school and want to enjoy life, you'll understand theres more to life than jumping through hoops, passing tests, getting degrees, etc, people who are young dont mind that, but i cant imagine doing that stuff when I'm 40. I want to retire at 40.Or at least be comfortable with my job and stable.
Maybe some people dont want to have to learn a new trade every 4 years!
I'm not going to educate the world so i'm forced to move up from helpdesk to a much more difficult job like biotech engineer or AI programmer and make the same money i'd make in helpdesk because everyone in helpDesk now will be movin up with me.
it defeats the whole point of moving up if everyone moves up with you.
I want to be one of the only few people who can do a certain job, so i can make millions and retire early.
Its about elitism yes, but thats what its all about, making as much money as you can and the only way to make it, is to make sure everyone else isnt taking your money from you.
Start a company? its a recession. Start a company? Against a monopoly like Microsoft? AOL? Impossible.
Face it, CEOs make Billions, if they made only slightly more than the programmers and other workers, i'd agree with you. Bill gates has over 50 billion dollars, programmers make about 100,000 a year.
Having more programmers means theres less demand, with less demand, comes cheaper prices.
Dont you know anything about capitalism? Right now big companies often hire people from isreal, pakistan and india because they are cheaper, not because they are better, not to save money for the consumer, hell hiring them means they hire less of us, and as for the consume r, the price of windows increases every release, software prices are going up.
just like with the music industry, prices go up not down because demand isnt going down.
The only situation where it helps us, is in extremely competitive markets like Intel vs AMD, but in terms of most computer markets, theres too many monopolies.
I'm not an english teacher, i'm not a spelling B champion.
Thats what writers need, my employer does not and will not care how good my spelling is if i'm never going to be writing documents, i'm opening up computers all day.
Its survival of the fittest, we arent a team, its every man for himself.
If you want everyone to make the same wage i suggest communism.
If we give everyone knowledge fine i'm cool with that as long as we dont keep the current system with have, however if we are going to be capitalist, I'm not going to lose my job and starve so someone lesser than me can have knowledge.
That way we will all be as valueable as an astronaught, instead of be as valueable as an office clerk.
The more esoteric that our jobs are, the more difficult it will be for common joe blow to steal our jobs, the more money we will make.
As much as I'd like everyone in the world to be computer savvy, in a capitalist world, people get paid for their knowledge, their skill, and their ability to apply it.
By giving the common man your knowledge, all they have to do is have skill and apply it, this means you'll be without a job when you are fired and replaced by joe blow.
Your salary will be 30k a year because YOU taught everyone how to do what you do making your job as valueable and making you as important as an office clerk or mc donalds burger flipper.
You have to be Elitest, thats just reality. Sure you can teach people, but do it for a price, dont give them all your knowledge for free.
In case you didnt forget, we live in a world of capitalism, you have to pay your bills, if you teach everyone everything you know, you decrease the value of what you know x10 for each person who knows what you know.
So yes we should teach them the basic ways to operate a computer, make the computer as easy as possible, but hide the more esoteric stuff that we the technicians, programmers, sysadmins, and other tech savvy folks make a living on.
I mean if everyones tech savvy what will we do then? We'd be worthless.
I hope the user interface dumbs down so much that all they have to do is talk to their machines and their machines handle everything. This way when the machine breaks they wont know what the hell to do, and we will be hired in at insanely high prices to fix r eally easy problems.
No more free services. No Mandrake forum. No support or help services that are free. No free download of Linux Mandrake on their servers. No extensive help files. No programmers working on KDE or the Linux Kernel.
The reason they are in a cash crunch is because they are supporting us and the community. By proving to them we arent proftiable (by not paying them) they will simple stop providing all these free services, and this would get them out of the cash crunch.
If you were running their company, there wouldnt have been free services to begin with, what you'd have is a typical caldara, turbo linux or suse.
AOL is making a fortune, so is redhat. Its not because people buy copies of AOL software, or people buy Redhat, its because of the services they provide.
Open Source is about services, not selling information.
Service based, If thousands of us are willing to subscribe they wont need to sell anything.
Cant you see whats going on? If 10,000-20,000 people subscribe they wont need to sell any CDs at all, they'll be set, we will be their busineess model.
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I support open source, but open source isnt how our system and laws are currently set up.
If the world was actually a community, then I'd help everyone, face it the world is not a community, in the workplace its me vs you vs joe.
I'm not going to help you take my raise, or make myself less valueable so i'm not useful anymore.
its ok to learn new things, i dont want to switch entirely to a diffrent job, i dont mind learning more about what i do
Time. Do you want to spend your life learning diffrent programming languages, or studying quantum mechanics and doing insane math, every day at work and all night just so you can keep up with some other guy who just happens to naturally be good with math and programming?
Not everyone is naturally good at math or programming but when you raise the bar, everyone has to become good at it.
Raising the bar higher and higher eventually causes a person to make a choice, live a life of school, college, learning, and adapting at every moment, or be a sys admin
not everyone wants to be a damn rocket scientist, not everoyne should be forced to do so, and the tech industry shouldnt force people to do this, i like technology, i dont like math or programming, i have my skillset, i understand programming i just hate doing it,
If everyone is forced to be a programmer, then alot of people will have careers doing something they hate, and dont act like they can c hoose to do something else, these kinds of jobs will be all thats left eventually.
There was a shortage then, now theres no shortage.
Back then we werent in recession, you just dont get it, they arent begging you to work for them anymore, you cant just walk in the door anymore, the door is closed, you have to sneak in through the back, or rip the door open yourself.
Skills dont matter, its all experience and degrees that matter.
If you were getting into the field now instead of when you were 16 during the highest of highs in the tech industry, well you would be working at the helpdesk.
Ok Mr.Millionare CEO Boss Guy.
I'm not unAmerican, and whats wrong with socialism?
Are you one of those anti Communist Absolte Pro Capitalist crusader guys?
Ok well listen, Capitalism is not perfect, its like a pyramid, you are either at the top or at the bottom, telling others how to get to the top, simply raises the bar, you wont be at the top anymore, you'll be in the middle, or at the bottom with the rest of them.
The logic is simple, a magician never reveals his secrets, keep your tricks to yourself, dont teach anyone because essentially everyone is your competition.
Eventually you are going to get old, and some smarter, younger, highly educated college kid is going to come knowing more than you do.
Unless you plan to go to college every 4 years, you wont be able to keep up, and no not everyone wants to go to college all their life, some people just want a normal career, you know where you spend your time in college, get a degree, and then go to work for at least 10-15 years before having to go and take a few courses.
I understand you have to learn and be smart to work in the computer industry, but at age 40 when you have kids and a wife do you really want to come home and study, then go to your college courses, I mean you'll have a pretty damn horrible life if all you do is work, college, study then sleep.
I doubt you'd even have time for a wife if you had one if you live your job 100 percent of the time just to keep up with the jones on every level.
We need stability, careers again, not everyone wants to switch careers every few years because we keep educating people and building machines which replace our jobs.
Any programmers who build machines to self heal are just raising the bar higher and higher until eventually we will have computers which can program themselves and computers which can repair themselves, sure saves money for rich CEOs but it does nothing for us, absolutely nothing.
I am not in a rush to be forced to get a PHD, and deal with courses on nano technology, and quantum physics, I do read up on it in my free time, but by raising the bar its going to force all of us to move at a faster pace.
Perhaps when you get tired of school and want to enjoy life, you'll understand theres more to life than jumping through hoops, passing tests, getting degrees, etc, people who are young dont mind that, but i cant imagine doing that stuff when I'm 40. I want to retire at 40.Or at least be comfortable with my job and stable.
Are all of you stupid? The onnly job they give at entry level is stuff like help desk.
You cant just walk in and get a job as a database admin or sys admin, that takes years of experience and a degree.
Uh, this is a capitalist society, its not perfect, but its everyone for themself.
I'm not helping anyone whos not a close friend or family member, unless i'm being paid to.
The only help ill give newbies is the basics.
Redhat is a corperate distro, Mandrake is for Desktop users
You dont get it do you. AOL is profiting off of their software. Thats why connecting to AOL is $25 a month instead of $5 a month.
Maybe some people dont want to have to learn a new trade every 4 years!
I'm not going to educate the world so i'm forced to move up from helpdesk to a much more difficult job like biotech engineer or AI programmer and make the same money i'd make in helpdesk because everyone in helpDesk now will be movin up with me.
it defeats the whole point of moving up if everyone moves up with you.
I want to be one of the only few people who can do a certain job, so i can make millions and retire early.
Its about elitism yes, but thats what its all about, making as much money as you can and the only way to make it, is to make sure everyone else isnt taking your money from you.
No it decreases. More people know something, less people need your help, less jobs for help desk and support staff.
Start a company? its a recession.
Start a company? Against a monopoly like Microsoft? AOL? Impossible.
Face it, CEOs make Billions, if they made only slightly more than the programmers and other workers, i'd agree with you. Bill gates has over 50 billion dollars, programmers make about 100,000 a year.
Having more programmers means theres less demand, with less demand, comes cheaper prices.
Dont you know anything about capitalism? Right now big companies often hire people from isreal, pakistan and india because they are cheaper, not because they are better, not to save money for the consumer, hell hiring them means they hire less of us, and as for the consume
r, the price of windows increases every release, software prices are going up.
just like with the music industry, prices go up not down because demand isnt going down.
The only situation where it helps us, is in extremely competitive markets like Intel vs AMD, but in terms of most computer markets, theres too many monopolies.
I'm not an english teacher, i'm not a spelling B champion.
Thats what writers need, my employer does not and will not care how good my spelling is if i'm never going to be writing documents, i'm opening up computers all day.
Its survival of the fittest, we arent a team, its every man for himself.
If you want everyone to make the same wage i suggest communism.
If we give everyone knowledge fine i'm cool with that as long as we dont keep the current system with have, however if we are going to be capitalist, I'm not going to lose my job and starve so someone lesser than me can have knowledge.
Yeah fix the problem and you wont be a geek anymore.
That way we will all be as valueable as an astronaught, instead of be as valueable as an office clerk.
The more esoteric that our jobs are, the more difficult it will be for common joe blow to steal our jobs, the more money we will make.
As much as I'd like everyone in the world to be computer savvy, in a capitalist world,
people get paid for their knowledge, their skill, and their ability to apply it.
By giving the common man your knowledge, all they have to do is have skill and apply it, this means you'll be without a job when you are fired and replaced by joe blow.
Your salary will be 30k a year because YOU taught everyone how to do what you do making your job as valueable and making you as important as an office clerk or mc donalds burger flipper.
You have to be Elitest, thats just reality.
Sure you can teach people, but do it for a price, dont give them all your knowledge for free.
In case you didnt forget, we live in a world of capitalism, you have to pay your bills, if you teach everyone everything you know, you decrease the value of what you know x10 for each person who knows what you know.
So yes we should teach them the basic ways to operate a computer, make the computer as easy as possible, but hide the more esoteric stuff that we the technicians, programmers, sysadmins, and other tech savvy folks make a living on.
I mean if everyones tech savvy what will we do then? We'd be worthless.
I hope the user interface dumbs down so much that all they have to do is talk to their machines and their machines handle everything. This way when the machine breaks they wont know what the hell to do, and we will be hired in at insanely high prices to fix r eally easy problems.
The bigger the gap, the longer we have jobs, the more money we will make, the more secure our jobs will be, the more important we will be.
This is exactly what we want.
The day joe blow can do what we do, is the day we become as worthless as an office clerk or typist.
We need to teach people the basics yes, but some stuff we should keep to ourselves to preserve our own value.
Never teach everyone everything you know because you'll be replaced.
Also i worry about AI and self healing computers, hopefully we can keep ahead of the machines.
No more free services.
No Mandrake forum.
No support or help services that are free.
No free download of Linux Mandrake on their servers.
No extensive help files.
No programmers working on KDE or the Linux Kernel.
The reason they are in a cash crunch is because they are supporting us and the community.
By proving to them we arent proftiable (by not paying them) they will simple stop providing all these free services, and this would get them out of the cash crunch.
If you were running their company, there wouldnt have been free services to begin with, what you'd have is a typical caldara, turbo linux or suse.
AOL is making a fortune, so is redhat. Its not because people buy copies of AOL software, or people buy Redhat, its because of the services they provide.
Open Source is about services, not selling information.
They are paying redhat, so yes they are going to use linux for free.
If you pay for Mandrake you'll be able to decide what mandrake has, mandrake wont develop software for hollywood, and hollywood will go to redhat.
Or you can not pay a dime and let mandrake taylor their OS for hollywood and others who will pay
Service based, If thousands of us are willing to subscribe they wont need to sell anything.
Cant you see whats going on? If 10,000-20,000 people subscribe they wont need to sell any CDs at all, they'll be set, we will be their busineess model.