You dont realize that people donate to AOL all the time when they pay $25 a month,
This money isnt for the connection to the net, that prolly costs $2 a month for AOL to connect you to the net, you are paying $25 a month to pay for Mozilla, Netscape, Winamp, ICQ, AIM, etc
All of this software is free because PEOPLE ARE DONATING MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.
The diffrence is, AOL doesnt give people a choice.
AOL does the same fucking thing and i dont see you or anyone else complaining.
You see, AOL provides a service, AOL uses marketing and brainwashing to trick people into paying them. Mandrake is straight forward with people, and being honest about the situation, and everyones saying its begging?!
Ok so mandrake should have DEMANDED $5 a month from you saying "You cannot download Mandrake 8.2 unless you subscribe"
Would you prefer this business model to the current one? Fucked company? You dont understand the open source business model, its not about selling products, its about providing a service, they write the code for us, we pay them for the service.
Its no diffrent than subscribing to a magazine which you could easily read for free.
All magazines of course are begging for charity and begging people to pay them, however they lie to people and use tricks instead of just asking you to support them.
Capitalism isnt about lying, and using tricks, its about getting people to pay you for your hard work, period.
Whats wrong with us paying Mandrake for their hard work?
If Mandrake reworded their sentence, it would be a typical AOL style service subscription.
Instead of telling you that you have a choice, simply say "You cannot download the new mandrake 8.2 until you subscribe" Effectively making it capitalism instead of a donation.
Face it, its capitalism either way, however right now its capitalism with a choice, we can choose. Would you rather be forced to pay?
Its called a service. They beg users for handouts because they are actually trying to help the USER. They are giving us the option that Redhat didnt give us.
Would you prefer they offer services only to businesses like Redhat? Please. The begging is for OUR benifit, if you ran the company you would become another Redhat like company and in order to do that, Mandrake cannot be the same Mandrake.
No more forums, no more mandrake expert, in fact no free services at all.
Mandrake would instead force you to pay $60 before you can even access member services, you wouldnt have free services.
So you see, they are giving you the choice right now, if we the users offer them enough money to earn a profit, they'll base a business model around us, if not, they'll deal with businesses, and forget we exsist.
Also Mandrake is no longer based on Redhat, that was 6.1, try using mandrake before you actually talk about how it works.
Mandrake die? They arent in position to die, in fact they are going to profit either way, they are simple giving us the choice, do we want them to profit off of us, or off of businesses.
I mean why should any consumer oriented businesses ever do anything for us if we prove ourselves to be greedy leeches, thats why they are focusing on PDAs and the server market and not the Desktop, or Gaming markets, because we havent PROVEN to them that we will pay.
Well if you want these companies to work for us, then put your money up and force them to work for us.
Its that simple, and just like with transgaming, if you want games in linux you'll subscribe, if you want a good Desktop Linux thats built based on what we want and not so much what businesses want, then you'll pay up.
Provide a service to us, or provide a service to other businesses.
Mandrake is giving us the choice, do we want them to be like Redhat? OR do we want them working for us.
If they provide services for us, we have to be their business model, their source of income, if we refuse to do so, they will provide services to people like IBM and other big companies.
Its $5 a month, thats the price of a mc donalds meal which i bet you all eat every day. $5 a month people, I'm supporting transgaming, i'm pretty much broke, but i will support mandrake as soon as i get the money to do so.
What product do you buy from AOL? does AOL send you a package in the mail each month when you pay your $20 a month? what product? You pay for the service which pays for Mozilla, AIM, ICQ, and all of their software.
Its exactly like Mandrake, a business model of donations is not a subscription.
Mandake has a legit business Model which is exactly like AOLs, Transgamings and all of the other service companies.
You can consider it a donation because you arent being forced to pay, but if you dont pay by free will, they'll stop making your software and force you to pay, so its not really a donation, its a business model, you pay and you keep getting free software, you stop paying and you dont get shit.
Its about freedom. Listen to richard stallman the founder of the GPL/GNU, If you support the movement, you also understand that its NOT supposed to be free, its supposed to change software and information into a service.
When you buy cable TV, you are buying a service to access the information, while paying for that information to be produced.
When you subscribe to a magazine, you are doing the same thing.
Computer users dont mind paying AOL 20 dollars a month, I really dont think a user is going to mind paying $5 more a month for all the software they will ever need.
Sara when you buy a PC you are paying for windows. Dont be blinded by marketing tricks. Also consider open source a service, like any service, you should pay for it.
If you like a good magazine, sure its in a library or store and you can read it, but if you want that magazine to come to you every month and you want to support that magazine, you buy a subscription. Mandrake is a service.
This is their business. They offer a service, no diffrent than AOL or your local cable company. Its more similar to a very good magazine. You subscribe to them, they offer you a community, and plenty of benifits, also you help with the development of Linux Mandrake.
Basically they are offering us the choice. We can subscribe from our own free will, or with Mandrake 9.0 they will just force you to subscribe to download it like Lindows and Suse and others.
They are giving us the choice to tell them how we want them to run their business, if you dont subscribe then you want them to run their business more like a Redhat or Suse, and sell to corperations and OEMs and not offer any free services, because a company in the red doesnt have the money to offer a free forum, mandrake expert, mandrake community pages, and so on.
Mind control weapons do exsist, and are used even b y low level forces such as swat teams. Mind Altering sounds and noises are the low tech mind control weapons, altering brain wave patterns with sound is easy, Mind control is easy using holographic technologies and altering brain waves you could convince small groups of people that god is speaking to them, and do all kinds of other tactics, yes our government DOES have alot of mind control technologies and holographic technologies.
Do you keep up with science? Its not fantasy, its in the labs, and if its in the labs, our government has weapons based on it.
Weapons which destroy building kill people in them yes, but the reason for having these weapons is to destroy entire cities and cripple an economy, imagine someone destroying all of the towers in new york in the middle of the night and everyone waking up and finding that all the buildings are crumbled.
Electronic warfare, we can easily take out an entire military force with this.
Germ warfare is far more dangerous than a nuke, a germ virus could kill every mammal on this planet, did you ever watch the movie the blob? You think something like that couldnt easily happen? An unstoppable virus or a bacteria could easily wipe out entire countries or even the world and only the people with the cure can stop it, even with all our weapons we'd die.
Armies have food, water, and weapons, and they have enough to last for years. Armies can grow their own food underground, water isnt difficult to get either its just hard to purify. Bomb Shelters that are for us arent very efficient, government quality bomb shelters are almost indestructable, we cant even nuke bin ladens cheap cave shelters. You try nuking Iraq, you think you'd kill saddam? No you'd just kill all his people and piss off the whole arab world.
You can have allthe nukes you want, you nuke, they nuke you back, now both of you lose, both your countries destroyed. This is not a very smart military strategy, its suicide.
This is why nuke is a suicide weapon, something a terrorist would use not a military.
Militaries of say Iraqs level are most likely to use germ warfare like antrax or perhaps something even worse.
Militaries like China,hey would use sophisticated electronics, destroy our electronics with stuff like EMP, and destroy our buildings all over night.
Militaries on our level would and maybe have used mind control warfare if we know the people we are using it on dont know about it yet, I think we'd use something like that in the middle east, would it work? At most it would drive them insane, at least it would confuse them on the battlefield, keep them from being able to think straight, and give us a psychhological advantage.
Yes its proven that sounds can do this, example? Scratch a chalkboard and listen to that sound, imagine a sound thats as bad or worse than that which is constant, you wouldnt be able to sleep, you wouldnt be able to think right, you'd be disoriented, theres sounds which can completely alter your brainwave patterns, and make you tired, even make you dizzy and pass out.
This stuff would be useless against a fairly intelligent military, but against some guys who just have basic weapons like machine guns and the like, who are backed into a corner or hiding in a cave, it would be useful, not to mention these techinques can be used to turn them against each other and keep them from being organized, remember the papers we passed out to afganastan about bin laden turning against them?
I'd say mind control would be one of the most dangerous weapons because you wouldnt know you are being manipulated.
As far as Nuke being the most powerful weapon? Not even close! Nuke can do alot of destruction which lasts a long timee and harms the enviornment, but nuke is not something any government is going to use, terrorists may use it, governments would never use nuke,heres why.
Out of all of these other ways to attack, nuke allows your enemy to know you attacked them.
How would your enemy know you used germ warfare against them? They'd just have a weird virus pop up out of no where.
How would they know you destroyed their electronics, all they'd know is a bomb destroyed it all, all of these other things can be made from within the enemies country and launched, nuke however you'd have to launch a missle, which means if you mess up you are being nuked, if you hit on target you are still going to be nuked, so you cant win.
The only thing we have to do is make sure no one can nuke us from within our own country. Nuke is no where near as easy to make as a virus or an EMP bomb, nuke requires gathering alot of things which are very difficult to get or create, and trying to smuggle nuke in is going to be almost impossiblew if the borders are properly monitored.
While nuke is dangerous, I think we have other more dangerous and pretty much unstopable technologies to worry about,
I think i'd have a better chance surviving a nukee than surviving the black plague.
oh and dont forget the fact that there could be genetic warfare, what would stop a government from changing the gene in say paracites, mosquitos etc which have a virus which spreads accross the USA and at a set period of time everyone in the USA dies. or paracites in the water.
Face it we all could drop dead tomorrow if some virus did get into all of our systems or some paracite did get into the water, if the virus was around for the last 20 years spreading then i'd say most of the population would be infected. If it were an airborn virus then everyone could be infected, and if its a virus thats set to kill a person after a set amount of time how could you stop it?
I think germ warfare, all the genetics technologies, and biological stuff is more dangerous than nuke by far because we all could be dying and not even know it.
Our government most likely has been doing sims privately for years, ever since the cold war. Now i guess its no longer classified, kinda like the shadow government is no longer a secret.
As for ending nuclear weapons, we already have better weapons than nuclear, far more dangerous. We have mind control / altering weapons, we have weapons which can destroy all the buildings in an area without harming many people, we have we, weapons which can destroy all the electronics in a city maybe even a small country,we have germ warfare which could kill out millions of our enemies without any of them even noticing we are attacking them, we have the internet which we could use to cause their own people to turn againsnt their governments (if their government lets them on the net)
Nuclear weapons can do alot of damage but most of the damage is done to the enviornment and to the innocent people, not so much damage is done to the actual military enemy we'd be fighting if they have bunkers and caves and tunnels and bomb shelters. What good is nuke to someone who would survive it? Now germ warfare, and taking down all their electronics with one attack, and bombs which are made to destroy all their underground bases.
My point is, Nuke alone isnt useful, the only people interested in nuke are terrorists who want to kill innocent people.
If india were to use nuke on pakistan, lots of innocent people in pakistan would die, the military would launch nuke and many people in india would die, both countries would get absolutely no where.
Real wars are about missions, targets, and just throwing bombs around is not something thats usually done.
We threw a bomb at japan but it was because back then no one knew what nuke was.
Everyone knows about nuke now.
I worry more about the weapons which we dont know much about, or anything about at all, considering all the technology we have today, the weapons could be way more deadly and a country could be destroyed overnight by something like a virus which spreads through the air.
I worry about airborn unstoppable virii which kills people in a matter of hours.
I'm sure our government has done it 20-30 years ago but its been classified.
If anyone honestly believes its the first EVER and that our military didnt do this kinda stuff during the cold war they are crazy.
trillions of dollars have been spent over the last serveral years, 10s of trillions over the last 20 years and this is the first sim, in 2002? hahaha a joke right?
IE isnt bloated because its not a seperate product or program, its part of windows itself. If it was bloated how would you know if it connects to your kernel.
Add Mozilla to the linux kernel and you wouldnt know it was bloated anymore.
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You dont realize that people donate to AOL all the time when they pay $25 a month,
This money isnt for the connection to the net, that prolly costs $2 a month for AOL to connect you to the net, you are paying $25 a month to pay for Mozilla, Netscape, Winamp, ICQ, AIM, etc
All of this software is free because PEOPLE ARE DONATING MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.
The diffrence is, AOL doesnt give people a choice.
AOL does the same fucking thing and i dont see you or anyone else complaining.
You see, AOL provides a service, AOL uses marketing and brainwashing to trick people into paying them. Mandrake is straight forward with people, and being honest about the situation, and everyones saying its begging?!
Ok so mandrake should have DEMANDED $5 a month from you saying "You cannot download Mandrake 8.2 unless you subscribe"
Would you prefer this business model to the current one?
Fucked company? You dont understand the open source business model, its not about selling products, its about providing a service, they write the code for us, we pay them for the service.
Its no diffrent than subscribing to a magazine which you could easily read for free.
All magazines of course are begging for charity and begging people to pay them, however they lie to people and use tricks instead of just asking you to support them.
Capitalism isnt about lying, and using tricks, its about getting people to pay you for your hard work, period.
Whats wrong with us paying Mandrake for their hard work?
If Mandrake reworded their sentence, it would be a typical AOL style service subscription.
Instead of telling you that you have a choice, simply say "You cannot download the new mandrake 8.2 until you subscribe" Effectively making it capitalism instead of a donation.
Face it, its capitalism either way, however right now its capitalism with a choice, we can choose. Would you rather be forced to pay?
Its called a service. They beg users for handouts because they are actually trying to help the USER. They are giving us the option that Redhat didnt give us.
Would you prefer they offer services only to businesses like Redhat? Please. The begging is for OUR benifit, if you ran the company you would become another Redhat like company and in order to do that, Mandrake cannot be the same Mandrake.
No more forums, no more mandrake expert, in fact no free services at all.
Mandrake would instead force you to pay $60 before you can even access member services, you wouldnt have free services.
So you see, they are giving you the choice right now, if we the users offer them enough money to earn a profit, they'll base a business model around us, if not, they'll deal with businesses, and forget we exsist.
Also Mandrake is no longer based on Redhat, that was 6.1, try using mandrake before you actually talk about how it works.
Mandrake die? They arent in position to die, in fact they are going to profit either way, they are simple giving us the choice, do we want them to profit off of us, or off of businesses.
I mean why should any consumer oriented businesses ever do anything for us if we prove ourselves to be greedy leeches, thats why they are focusing on PDAs and the server market and not the Desktop, or Gaming markets, because we havent PROVEN to them that we will pay.
Well if you want these companies to work for us, then put your money up and force them to work for us.
Its that simple, and just like with transgaming, if you want games in linux you'll subscribe, if you want a good Desktop Linux thats built based on what we want and not so much what businesses want, then you'll pay up.
You have the choice, make your decision.
Provide a service to us, or provide a service to other businesses.
Mandrake is giving us the choice, do we want them to be like Redhat? OR do we want them working for us.
If they provide services for us, we have to be their business model, their source of income, if we refuse to do so, they will provide services to people like IBM and other big companies.
Its $5 a month, thats the price of a mc donalds meal which i bet you all eat every day. $5 a month people, I'm supporting transgaming, i'm pretty much broke, but i will support mandrake as soon as i get the money to do so.
What product do you buy from AOL? does AOL send you a package in the mail each month when you pay your $20 a month? what product? You pay for the service which pays for Mozilla, AIM, ICQ, and all of their software.
Its exactly like Mandrake, a business model of donations is not a subscription.
Mandake has a legit business Model which is exactly like AOLs, Transgamings and all of the other service companies.
You can consider it a donation because you arent being forced to pay, but if you dont pay by free will, they'll stop making your software and force you to pay, so its not really a donation, its a business model, you pay and you keep getting free software, you stop paying and you dont get shit.
Its that simple.
Its about freedom. Listen to richard stallman the founder of the GPL/GNU, If you support the movement, you also understand that its NOT supposed to be free, its supposed to change software and information into a service.
When you buy cable TV, you are buying a service to access the information, while paying for that information to be produced.
When you subscribe to a magazine, you are doing the same thing.
Computer users dont mind paying AOL 20 dollars a month, I really dont think a user is going to mind paying $5 more a month for all the software they will ever need.
Sara when you buy a PC you are paying for windows.
Dont be blinded by marketing tricks. Also consider open source a service, like any service, you should pay for it.
If you like a good magazine, sure its in a library or store and you can read it, but if you want that magazine to come to you every month and you want to support that magazine, you buy a subscription. Mandrake is a service.
This is their business. They offer a service, no diffrent than AOL or your local cable company. Its more similar to a very good magazine.
You subscribe to them, they offer you a community, and plenty of benifits, also you help with the development of Linux Mandrake.
Basically they are offering us the choice. We can subscribe from our own free will, or with Mandrake 9.0 they will just force you to subscribe to download it like Lindows and Suse and others.
They are giving us the choice to tell them how we want them to run their business, if you dont subscribe then you want them to run their business more like a Redhat or Suse, and sell to corperations and OEMs and not offer any free services, because a company in the red doesnt have the money to offer a free forum, mandrake expert, mandrake community pages, and so on.
Redhat doesnt need AOL, AOL needs redhat.redhat has hundreds of millions and they are making more money as we speak
APPLE would be perfect
there isnt any
Dont forget none of your programs will work either. I dont think Gnome too will be standard until maybe 6 months to a year from now.
and how exactly do you use this
Why dont they just release one big RPM ?
Gnome needs full install RPMs. I'm on broadband and i refuse to download a file in 200 diffrent peices.
I want a 150meg RPM of Gnome2 and then i'll try it.
no its not.
Mozilla has won in all the official tests
Democrates arent the ones who have had these trillion dollar tax cuts which only benifit rich people.
This had nothing to do with bush, bush cuts taxes so that means less funding not more.
So you have top secret military clearance? how do you know? Oh wait because they said so? you believe everything they said?
You cant believe what the government says, classified means they wont tell you about it or will lie to you until they are read to announce it.
Its announced now, but it could have been simulated in a classified fashion in the past.
Mind control weapons do exsist, and are used even b y low level forces such as swat teams. Mind Altering sounds and noises are the low tech mind control weapons, altering brain wave patterns with sound is easy, Mind control is easy using holographic technologies and altering brain waves you could convince small groups of people that god is speaking to them, and do all kinds of other tactics, yes our government DOES have alot of mind control technologies and holographic technologies.
Do you keep up with science? Its not fantasy, its in the labs, and if its in the labs, our government has weapons based on it.
Weapons which destroy building kill people in them yes, but the reason for having these weapons is to destroy entire cities and cripple an economy, imagine someone destroying all of the towers in new york in the middle of the night and everyone waking up and finding that all the buildings are crumbled.
Electronic warfare, we can easily take out an entire military force with this.
Germ warfare is far more dangerous than a nuke, a germ virus could kill every mammal on this planet, did you ever watch the movie the blob? You think something like that couldnt easily happen? An unstoppable virus or a bacteria could easily wipe out entire countries or even the world and only the people with the cure can stop it, even with all our weapons we'd die.
Armies have food, water, and weapons, and they have enough to last for years. Armies can grow their own food underground, water isnt difficult to get either its just hard to purify. Bomb Shelters that are for us arent very efficient, government quality bomb shelters are almost indestructable, we cant even nuke bin ladens cheap cave shelters. You try nuking Iraq, you think you'd kill saddam? No you'd just kill all his people and piss off the whole arab world.
You can have allthe nukes you want, you nuke, they nuke you back, now both of you lose, both your countries destroyed. This is not a very smart military strategy, its suicide.
This is why nuke is a suicide weapon, something a terrorist would use not a military.
Militaries of say Iraqs level are most likely to use germ warfare like antrax or perhaps something even worse.
Militaries like China,hey would use sophisticated electronics, destroy our electronics with stuff like EMP, and destroy our buildings all over night.
Militaries on our level would and maybe have used mind control warfare if we know the people we are using it on dont know about it yet, I think we'd use something like that in the middle east, would it work? At most it would drive them insane, at least it would confuse them on the battlefield, keep them from being able to think straight, and give us a psychhological advantage.
Yes its proven that sounds can do this, example? Scratch a chalkboard and listen to that sound, imagine a sound thats as bad or worse than that which is constant, you wouldnt be able to sleep, you wouldnt be able to think right, you'd be disoriented, theres sounds which can completely alter your brainwave patterns, and make you tired, even make you dizzy and pass out.
This stuff would be useless against a fairly intelligent military, but against some guys who just have basic weapons like machine guns and the like, who are backed into a corner or hiding in a cave, it would be useful, not to mention these techinques can be used to turn them against each other and keep them from being organized, remember the papers we passed out to afganastan about bin laden turning against them?
I'd say mind control would be one of the most dangerous weapons because you wouldnt know you are being manipulated.
As far as Nuke being the most powerful weapon? Not even close! Nuke can do alot of destruction which lasts a long timee and harms the enviornment, but nuke is not something any government is going to use, terrorists may use it, governments would never use nuke,heres why.
Out of all of these other ways to attack, nuke allows your enemy to know you attacked them.
How would your enemy know you used germ warfare against them? They'd just have a weird virus pop up out of no where.
How would they know you destroyed their electronics, all they'd know is a bomb destroyed it all, all of these other things can be made from within the enemies country and launched, nuke however you'd have to launch a missle, which means if you mess up you are being nuked, if you hit on target you are still going to be nuked, so you cant win.
The only thing we have to do is make sure no one can nuke us from within our own country. Nuke is no where near as easy to make as a virus or an EMP bomb, nuke requires gathering alot of things which are very difficult to get or create, and trying to smuggle nuke in is going to be almost impossiblew if the borders are properly monitored.
While nuke is dangerous, I think we have other more dangerous and pretty much unstopable technologies to worry about,
I think i'd have a better chance surviving a nukee than surviving the black plague.
oh and dont forget the fact that there could be genetic warfare, what would stop a government from changing the gene in say paracites, mosquitos etc which have a virus which spreads accross the USA and at a set period of time everyone in the USA dies. or paracites in the water.
Face it we all could drop dead tomorrow if some virus did get into all of our systems or some paracite did get into the water, if the virus was around for the last 20 years spreading then i'd say most of the population would be infected. If it were an airborn virus then everyone could be infected, and if its a virus thats set to kill a person after a set amount of time
how could you stop it?
I think germ warfare, all the genetics technologies, and biological stuff is more dangerous than nuke by far because we all could be dying and not even know it.
Our government most likely has been doing sims privately for years, ever since the cold war. Now i guess its no longer classified, kinda like the shadow government is no longer a secret.
As for ending nuclear weapons, we already have better weapons than nuclear, far more dangerous. We have mind control / altering weapons, we have weapons which can destroy all the buildings in an area without harming many people, we have we, weapons which can destroy all the electronics in a city maybe even a small country,we have germ warfare which could kill out millions of our enemies without any of them even noticing we are attacking them, we have the internet which we could use to cause their own people to turn againsnt their governments (if their government lets them on the net)
Nuclear weapons can do alot of damage but most of the damage is done to the enviornment and to the innocent people, not so much damage is done to the actual military enemy we'd be fighting if they have bunkers and caves and tunnels and bomb shelters. What good is nuke to someone who would survive it? Now germ warfare, and taking down all their electronics with one attack, and bombs which are made to destroy all their underground bases.
My point is, Nuke alone isnt useful, the only people interested in nuke are terrorists who want to kill innocent people.
If india were to use nuke on pakistan, lots of innocent people in pakistan would die, the military would launch nuke and many people in india would die, both countries would get absolutely no where.
Real wars are about missions, targets, and just throwing bombs around is not something thats usually done.
We threw a bomb at japan but it was because back then no one knew what nuke was.
Everyone knows about nuke now.
I worry more about the weapons which we dont know much about, or anything about at all, considering all the technology we have today, the weapons could be way more deadly and a country could be destroyed overnight by something like a virus which spreads through the air.
I worry about airborn unstoppable virii which kills people in a matter of hours.
I'm sure our government has done it 20-30 years ago but its been classified.
If anyone honestly believes its the first EVER and that our military didnt do this kinda stuff during the cold war they are crazy.
trillions of dollars have been spent over the last serveral years, 10s of trillions over the last 20 years and this is the first sim, in 2002? hahaha a joke right?
Opera isnt faster than IE, IE doesnt even have to load up, Opera loads in a few seconds but it still isnt as fast as IE at loading
IE isnt bloated because its not a seperate product or program, its part of windows itself. If it was bloated how would you know if it connects to your kernel.
Add Mozilla to the linux kernel and you wouldnt know it was bloated anymore.
IE isnt a browser its part of windows itself, how can any browser ever beat IE? Technically its impossible