Funny how millions of people have abortions when they could just do adoption.
Fact is, if we can do something technology wise, we will do it, theres no point in even making laws to restrict technology.
What I believe is right or wrong has nothing to do with the freedom of the scientist, the freedom to save lifes. Also the scientists created the life in a lab anyhow.
I dont know if stem cell research should bee legal or not, but alot of debateable things are legal, and alot of things are illegal which are debateable.
Theres one thing i know for sure. The law isnt about whats right and whats wrong, the law was set up to protect the citizens of the USA, the country, and to protect the rights of the people of the USA.
We have legalized abortion yet we respect human life all of the sudden? Come on. Be serious.
If Abortion is legal, Stem Cell research should also be legal. Its the same thing, the only diffrence is you are actually making use of the embryols for a purpose which can actually save lives.
It takes hundreds of years for a Government to form, Many Capitalists governments fell apart, the USA was horrible back when it was founded, there was no real freedom, witches being stoned for not being proper religion, minories were enslaved for not being the proper color, etc etc
If you look at all of American history and not the last 100 years, you'll see that the USA was at one time as bad if not worse than China, as bad as Russia at one point, It takes hundreds of years and generations for a government to mature.People learn from their mistakes.
China may actually be a successful communist nation, if they manage to do it right.
Theres nothing wrong with socialism either, theres many european countries which are socialist countries which are doing better than the USA such as NZ.I admit theres alot less people in places like NZ, but theres less people in the USA than in China.
Capitalism is not the answer to everything, its one possible solution out of many other possible solutions.
Capitalism can work, Communism can work, Socialism can work, each one of them have their flaws and limitations.
Capitalism currently in the USA is decreasing our freedom and giving freedom to big business.
Communism in China is decreasing the freedom of the Chinese, these problems arent problems with the style of government, but the people actually in office who make the laws.
Corruption exsists in capitalism and in communism and currently we arent controlling our own government, chinese arent controlling their government, so both Capitalism and Communism have problems and no we do not have a Democracy and never really had one to begin with.
Because the USA is filled with Facism as well, perhaps we arent as bad as Germany, Russia, China, but we arent as good as some other places in Europe, or NZ either.
As far as freedom goes, Communism does have its benifits, one of them is science benifits greatly from it because scientists have complete freedom.
The only problem China faces is the fact that they have too many people and not enough jobs for them all, their government is out of order, right now we are entering the information age, resources and man power will matter less, information will matter more, and in this situation, the bigger population shall have more producers of information.
China and Communism benifits from this greatly, however because of their stupidity they are restricting information through censorship, if they ever allow their people to actually access the information then we'd be left in the dust.
Then again we have problems like that here (Copyright is a form of Censorship)
As if the USA is a democracy? First we arent a democracy we are a republic.
Second communism allows far greater freedom than capitalism IF the government is not corrupt.
Since 99 percent of all governments are corrupt including ours, a corrupt communist government is one the people cannot control. Our government is controlled by the top 10% of rich Capitalists not us, so how are we in any diffrent of a situation than the Chinese?
SSSCA, The Patriot Act, DMCA, These laws arent democractic at all, we didnt vote to have these laws in place, if we were allowed to vote the majority would vote against these laws, hey but some rich guys in suits and some representatives who are actually representing the rich guys in suits, they make the law.
A corrupt government is a corrupt government, Communism isnt bad on paper, its bad only because humans make it bad, and our government is bad only because we allow it to be.
Java is object oriented, the whole point of the object oriented design,is to help with complex BIG projects.
However freenet while its complex, i dont think its a "BIG" project. KDE is a big project and its not nearly as complex as freenet.
Big projects benifit from using objects.
As far as if C is easier than Java, to me C is easier, Java has"MORE" syntax than C, its a totally diffrent way of thinking (Object Oriented) Theres alot of confusing things about Java.
As for bugs yes Java can handle bugs. I just dont think Freenet benifits from the Object Oriented style, please tell me how.
You are right about memory leaks, you are right about buffer overrun, what you forget is how much C code is already written, people wouldnt have to reinvent the wheel for alot of things like they will have to do in Java.
You are right it will take them longer to release at first the foundation, however once that is complete i think C would be nice. If it were C it would also be much easier for Windows users, and Linux users, even Mac users because it could be intergrated very well into the OS.
As far as understanding structure, I think C code is more unstandable but thats just me, anyhow my point is, If its written in C it would have more developers, the project might have been more on the scale of gnutella instead of what it is now.
It would be easy to write a freenet frontend in visual basic for windows but as for java, how do you write a front end for that.
I dont know, I think java has its advantaged but if they needed object oriented i still think C++ would have been better. But if they dont need object oriented, C would have been my choice.
Thats your opinion. C is not object oriented, its designed totally diffrent, in fact C and Java are opposites. You are comparing Java to C++.
C is a straight forward language, sure you can say that things in C have similar counter parts in java, Java has methods and objects, C has functions, header files, structures and unions.
C is more well known, theres BETTER C coders and very few good java coders (check out most java programs) Theres more documentation and tutorials for C, theres more C code written for refrence purposes and use in your projects.
Please dont make me laugh with this Website written in Java stuff, Java will never work for the web, it was a bad idea from the start, Java Applications however i think will be just fine.
A well written peice of Java can be as fast as C you say, yes thats true, but a well written C program can be as portible as Java.
The real benifit is the fact that everyone knows C, as far as using C for websites you can do that. Ive never done it myself but i know it can be done.
The benifit of Java and perhaps the only benifit i know of, your code may be alittle less buggy.
As far as your code being optimized, you'll never beat C here with java, Java code is not native, You can compile the C code to take advantage of your hardware, now maybe, MAYBE there is a way to get native speeds in java, but its still not as efficient as C.
My opinion is, for some programs object oriented languages may be better, take a look at KDE vs Gnome for a good example. But for others, i think you could write it faster in C.
Compare how you'd write a program in C, then compare it in C++, then Java, depending on the program, the size of it, and what its doing, it can be written faster in a certain language.
I'm no freenet programmer so i cannot say, but if the programmers say java is a problem and they are working on freenet, hey i guess java is a problem.
The only reason I'm not involved in freenet is because its Java, if it were C i may have gotten involved somehow.
I understand programmers can be esoteric. I took the chance to talk to some of them in IIRC, alot of them are cool. Certainly not as bad as the gnome programmers.
Anyhow, Why sould you develop for freenet? I'll tell you why, because you'll be helping a great deal of people, millions in fact, including yourself. Theres many reasons to use freenet, free storage for the masses is the most obvious reason. Webpages wont cost a dime anymore using freenet So you and many others would save money.
Popular websites would never be taken down, the more popular it is the better the connection is. Freenet works almost like the brain does, the most popular your data the more connections to it.
Work on freenet to make an alternative to the current world wide web if the ideals dont impress you do it for the technology aspect, make freenet a success and you could end up with millions of users who switch from the regular internet, because the regular internet is becoming more and more censored.
Hey i cant tell you what to do, but if i had the ability ( I dont know java ) I'd help make some kinda front end for freenet
Well then, if you dont like the SSSCA, the RIAA, the DCMA, and you want to challenge it, write applications which are impossible to stop.
Gnutella isnt enough, eventually Gnutella will be attacked in some way and people will need somewhere to go,when this happens freenet has to be ready.
We already have a frost front end, and freenewsreader, we have the FreeWeb, as far as having a napster like app for freenet, thats not going to happen, but you will be able to share files on freenet in complete safety.
First, Donate to Freenet, Gnutella and other difficult if not impossible to stop technologies.
Eventually Morpheus or some company will use this technology, let the economy form after the technology is in place.
You'll be able to buy music directly from musicians without the RIAA, musicians would make more money, you'd save money, and the technology would make buying it effortless, click "pay musician"
We need to donate $$ to people who are defending us.
Alot of you people talk alot, how much have you donated? The EFF, FSF, Freenet, all of these people who stand up for us, how much have you donated? Donate $5, i know everyone here has $5 and if everyone here were to donate $5 to each or to one of these groups, these groups would have more money to defend us.
5x500,000= 2.5 million
If you were to donate 2.5 million to freenet it would be the next napster, if you had 2.5 million to donate to EFF, EFF would have more money to defend you when you are the one going to jail over the SSSCA crap, its these people who can make change, you have to fight back with $$, with hard work, and eventually you can have a revolution, you can even the odds.
Begging them not to change the laws by emailing or writing them isnt going to work, you have to use technology to make the laws impossible to enforce, and get people to stand up for you when they try to outlaw your sourcecode.
Instead of paying the MPAA and RIAA, we donate to people who are supporting our freedom.
I think the main advantage of the RIAA and MPAA is their money, they get their money from us. Why shouldnt we give some of our money to the people defending us.
Lets put the pressure on them, Donate to freenet, EFF, if we can lets donate to Gnutella, all the people the RIAA and MPAA are fighting we should fund the best we can, if we all put millions of dollars into these groups who are defending us we might actually get somewhere.
Donate money to EFF and other groups which defend our rights. Whats a petition going to tell the industry who already knows 60 million+ people disagree with them from the Napster Saga.
Donate to EFF EFF Donate to GNU Donate to Linux Mandrake Linux Mandrake Donate to Freenet
We should donate to all of these groups because these groups are doing the actual fighting, stupid pettitions arent doing anything. Its like a kid who gets down on the ground banging their fists crying, thats not going to stop the bully from kicking your ass. Not giving the bully the money is also not going to stop the bully from kicking your ass. Hiring people to help you fight the bully will help you kick the bullies ass. Its the only way.
The content industry will kill the technology industry.
Technology and Copyright do not mix, because at some point you have to draw the line.
I'm not going to argue about if copyright is right or wrong, perhaps for our time and our current technology, copyright still has its benifits.
I want you all to think ahead about 20-30 years. Imagine us living in a world were everything is under copyright. Imagine us having great technology, the ability to think and a computer translate your thoughts, thought based computing, AI, Imagine a new genetic medicine which is the cure to old age, Imagine someone creating an invention which allows you to have unlimited food, water, everything.
Consider the fact that all of these technologies are in labs right now, and we will all live to see these technologies.
Do we want all of these innovative technologies released in a controlled fashion, and ruined?
Thought based computing will never be released unless there are thought control mechanisms, afterall people have to protect their secrets.
Imagine the cure for old age being restricted, the medicine is so expensive that only the top 10% of the population can afford it, so you get to die at 70 while the top 10% gets to live for another few hundred years.
Imagine AI technology, which is so intelligent that it can be used to help calm people down when having panic attacks, can help people with mental problems, can stop people from commiting suicides, and many other helpful innovative technologies which can try to talk people out of situations. Imagine this technology only being availible to the top 10%, while the rest of the world is just suffering.
Consider the fact that we have some kinda nano technology, or perhaps nano genetic technology which can produce unlimited amounts of food, imagine us creating unlimited amounts of drinking water, then imagine this water and food costing more than real food and water which is no longer fresh after years of pollution.
Once again the top 10% will have pure food and water, the best medicines, longer lives, better lives, less mental problems and finally lets consider the fact that even with our technology, the quality of life for 90 percent of the planet will be the same if not worse than it is now.
Also consider the fact that this will be because of greed, not because resources are limited. I can understand when resources are limited as they are now, but when we have technology which benifits the world and improves the world in total, this technology should not be restricted for the sake of greed(Capitalism)
I'm not saying Capitalism is bad, I'm saying greed is bad. I think we need to figure out how we want to use the technology which is currently in the labs right now, do we want to use it to benifit the world, or do we want to use it to make as much $$ as possible for a select few.
I believe that if this is a democracy and you were to have the world vote on it, They'd make the right choice.
Honestly, 80 percent of the people who dont buy CDs and download stuff from the net, wouldnt buy CDs.
I mean really, if you wanted CDs you'd buy CDs. If you want music, you'll listen to the radio, you'll record it on a tape cassette and you'll have music.
Now wait, you'll say the quality of the cassette isnt the same as CD, but thats what people did before they had the net, they'd tape stuff on cassettes.
Its like saying by law all VCRs should remove the ability to record because you might record a movie from cable or satelite.
Thats just bullshit.
Its also bullshit to say that every movie you'd record from satelite you would have paid to go see at the movie theaters, thats bullshit.
Most movies arent worth paying to go see, but most movies that are halfway decent are worth recording on a blank VHS tape.
I go see maybe a few movies per year, sometimes i dont see any movies for the year.
When i go see a movie, i'm not paying to "see" the movie, I'm paying for the atmosphere, the ability to see the movie on the big screen, to have surround sound, to see the movie immediately.
Just like the movie theater vs the VCR, people will pay to get music immediately, waiting for it to be spread throughout the net is not going to work if you want the music now.
People will have to buy the music or else it wont spread throughout the internet, all the music companies have to do to make people buy their CDs, is to slow the spreading of the music, this can be done by making the CDs more difficult to crack and pirate.
Its fine to sell copy protected CDs, i dont like copy protection but I'm fine with this because the movie people have a right to do this, just dont buy their CDs if you dont want it.
As far as controlling how we use our computers, this is a totally diffrent issue, no one should have the right to control how we use our computer, NO ONE!
This is as important as our right to freedom of speech.
Tell me, 20-30 years from now, when we have some sorta brain to computer interface, Will thoughts be under copyright? By sharing illegal thoughts with someone else will you go to jail? Think about where this is going, technology should overrule copyright. Someday technology is going to be so advanced that to enforce copyright would require mind control and render us total slaves to these people so they can protect their secrets and make money.
Some things in life are more important than money, Freedom is more important than money, the USA, was it founded on capitalism or on freedom? You all have to decide, because if we keep going in this direction will we be giving up our freedom for capitalism. All the talk about communism and facism, well just wait, capitalism is going to lead to the same thing.
As far as stealing intellectual property, i dont believe thoughts have owners, what i dont believe in, i dont follow.
Law has nothing to do with right and wrong..;
Facism? the RIAA is fascism, freedom = open source, file sharing, peer to peer.
IF you want facism, go to jail for listening to something without permission. Dont even have the right to listen to what you want, or share files which you own, yes YOU own it because its on your computer, you purchased the CD so you have the right to do anything you want with it as long as you dont use it to profit.
profiting off of music someone else made is stealing money from the person who made it sharing music with people who wouldnt buy the CD if they never heard it, is not costing anyone any money.
The best decentralized file sharing ive used is WinMX also known as openNAP or Napigator.
Making a program which works like this, but using an automated way to generate subnetworks instead of having users create them.
Imagine connecting to a general network.
Once you connect you search for MUSIC. This connects you to a general music network.
You dont search for just music but jazz music. This connects you to a group of other people who also search for and have alot of jazz music on their computer. So you connect to the jazz nodes. By breaking networks up into groups, just like in the real world people with the same interests, they form cliques, clubs, groups, a network in my opinon would be best if using AI it created networks and subnetworks within them based on what groups of users like.
You like jazz, rock and rap, and this is what the majority of your files are, this can be calculated via fuzzy logic that you like mostly these 3 types off music, so you become part of one of, or all of these 3 networks. The AI also watches for what you search for alot, and connects you to networks based on that. Because you dont really know what networks you are connecting to it seems very decentralized.
Gnutallas problem is it connects everyone to everyone, perhaps creating small groups, and then connecting these small groups to each other would be best.
The person with the fastest connections will help in hosting the lists of nodes on a subnetwork.
The company, simply has to connect people to the main networks such as Jazz, Rap, Rock from which the subnetworks get formed by the users, and leeches connect to the subnetwork host nodes.
I dont know if this would work, its not like i tested it, but hotline does something similar just not in a very good way.
Being able to type in an album and having the search find all the songs, download it automatically, organize them into folders and create a playlist.
Automation is the key. If this process could be stored as a command of some sort and sent to other peoples computers so that when you log off or shut off your machine the computers can search for and find all the files while your computer is off,then the location of the files be sent to you when your computer is turned on again.
I think rebol sounds interesting, Scripting sounds cool, i think automation is something that would take file sharing to the next level.
Not just automation, but perhaps an ability to use AI to figure out the type of music a user likes and doesnt like, and somehow use this improve search results for the music the user likes.
Like connecting to a network of all techno because the user downloads mostly techno, and have hundreds of little subnetworks created based on the music files people have on their computers.
so if you have mostly techno you connect to a group of techno networks, if you have mostly rap you connect to mostly rap networks.
Small networks of say, a few thousand users each while they may be somewhat centralized in nature, if theres enough of these networks its not like anyone would be able to stop it, and it wouldnt be morphues hosting it, it would be the users themselves.
maybw almost like direct connect or hotline, but your connection to these networks would be based on what you search for usually. If you search for many diffrent types of music you'll connect to some general network. Music companies who would try to check up on whats on the network would most likely search from as wide a range as possible using some program or script, and would connect to a general network.
I dont know its just an idea and i have no idea how to technically do it, but something similar to how winMX works, using AI to discover the servers based on what users like, the discovery process would be whats automated
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Theres alternatives to abortion too.
Funny how millions of people have abortions when they could just do adoption.
Fact is, if we can do something technology wise, we will do it, theres no point in even making laws to restrict technology.
What I believe is right or wrong has nothing to do with the freedom of the scientist, the freedom to save lifes. Also the scientists created the life in a lab anyhow.
I dont know if stem cell research should bee legal or not, but alot of debateable things are legal, and alot of things are illegal which are debateable.
Theres one thing i know for sure. The law isnt about whats right and whats wrong, the law was set up to protect the citizens of the USA, the country, and to protect the rights of the people of the USA.
We have legalized abortion yet we respect human life all of the sudden? Come on. Be serious.
If Abortion is legal, Stem Cell research should also be legal. Its the same thing, the only diffrence is you are actually making use of the embryols for a purpose which can actually save lives.
It takes hundreds of years for a Government to form, Many Capitalists governments fell apart, the USA was horrible back when it was founded, there was no real freedom, witches being stoned for not being proper religion, minories were enslaved for not being the proper color, etc etc
If you look at all of American history and not the last 100 years, you'll see that the USA was at one time as bad if not worse than China, as bad as Russia at one point, It takes hundreds of years and generations for a government to mature.People learn from their mistakes.
China may actually be a successful communist nation, if they manage to do it right.
Theres nothing wrong with socialism either, theres many european countries which are socialist countries which are doing better than the USA such as NZ.I admit theres alot less people in places like NZ, but theres less people in the USA than in China.
Capitalism is not the answer to everything, its one possible solution out of many other possible solutions.
Capitalism can work, Communism can work, Socialism can work, each one of them have their flaws and limitations.
Capitalism currently in the USA is decreasing our freedom and giving freedom to big business.
Communism in China is decreasing the freedom of the Chinese, these problems arent problems with the style of government, but the people actually in office who make the laws.
Corruption exsists in capitalism and in communism and currently we arent controlling our own government, chinese arent controlling their government, so both Capitalism and Communism have problems and no we do not have a Democracy and never really had one to begin with.
Because the USA is filled with Facism as well, perhaps we arent as bad as Germany, Russia, China, but we arent as good as some other places in Europe, or NZ either.
As far as freedom goes, Communism does have its benifits, one of them is science benifits greatly from it because scientists have complete freedom.
The only problem China faces is the fact that they have too many people and not enough jobs for them all, their government is out of order, right now we are entering the information age, resources and man power will matter less, information will matter more, and in this situation, the bigger population shall have more producers of information.
China and Communism benifits from this greatly, however because of their stupidity they are restricting information through censorship, if they ever allow their people to actually access the information then we'd be left in the dust.
Then again we have problems like that here (Copyright is a form of Censorship)
As if the USA is a democracy? First we arent a democracy we are a republic.
Second communism allows far greater freedom than capitalism IF the government is not corrupt.
Since 99 percent of all governments are corrupt including ours, a corrupt communist government is one the people cannot control. Our government is controlled by the top 10% of rich Capitalists not us, so how are we in any diffrent of a situation than the Chinese?
SSSCA, The Patriot Act, DMCA, These laws arent democractic at all, we didnt vote to have these laws in place, if we were allowed to vote the majority would vote against these laws, hey but some rich guys in suits and some representatives who are actually representing the rich guys in suits, they make the law.
A corrupt government is a corrupt government, Communism isnt bad on paper, its bad only because humans make it bad, and our government is bad only because we allow it to be.
I agree i dont like perl either. But i prefer C++ over java slightly.
Java just doesnt feel like a real language to me, it almost reminds me of visual basic, I know its a real language but, I dont like it.
Perl makes no sense, follows no standards, its just weird, it is good for stuff dealing with strings but thats about it.
They havent released an update in almost a year.
Java is object oriented, the whole point of the object oriented design,is to help with complex BIG projects.
However freenet while its complex, i dont think its a "BIG" project. KDE is a big project and its not nearly as complex as freenet.
Big projects benifit from using objects.
As far as if C is easier than Java, to me C is easier, Java has"MORE" syntax than C, its a totally diffrent way of thinking (Object Oriented)
Theres alot of confusing things about Java.
As for bugs yes Java can handle bugs. I just dont think Freenet benifits from the Object Oriented style, please tell me how.
You are right about memory leaks, you are right about buffer overrun, what you forget is how much C code is already written, people wouldnt have to reinvent the wheel for alot of things like they will have to do in Java.
You are right it will take them longer to release at first the foundation, however once that is complete i think C would be nice. If it were C it would also be much easier for Windows users, and Linux users, even Mac users because it could be intergrated very well into the OS.
As far as understanding structure, I think C code is more unstandable but thats just me, anyhow my point is, If its written in C it would have more developers, the project might have been more on the scale of gnutella instead of what it is now.
It would be easy to write a freenet frontend in visual basic for windows but as for java, how do you write a front end for that.
I dont know, I think java has its advantaged but if they needed object oriented i still think C++ would have been better. But if they dont need object oriented, C would have been my choice.
My choice doesnt mean much though does it.
Thats your opinion. C is not object oriented, its designed totally diffrent, in fact C and Java are opposites. You are comparing Java to C++.
C is a straight forward language, sure you can say that things in C have similar counter parts in java, Java has methods and objects, C has functions, header files, structures and unions.
C is more well known, theres BETTER C coders and very few good java coders (check out most java programs) Theres more documentation and tutorials for C, theres more C code written for refrence purposes and use in your projects.
Please dont make me laugh with this Website written in Java stuff, Java will never work for the web, it was a bad idea from the start, Java Applications however i think will be just fine.
A well written peice of Java can be as fast as C you say, yes thats true, but a well written C program can be as portible as Java.
The real benifit is the fact that everyone knows C, as far as using C for websites you can do that. Ive never done it myself but i know it can be done.
The benifit of Java and perhaps the only benifit i know of, your code may be alittle less buggy.
As far as your code being optimized, you'll never beat C here with java, Java code is not native, You can compile the C code to take advantage of your hardware, now maybe, MAYBE there is a way to get native speeds in java, but its still not as efficient as C.
My opinion is, for some programs object oriented languages may be better, take a look at KDE vs Gnome for a good example. But for others, i think you could write it faster in C.
Compare how you'd write a program in C, then compare it in C++, then Java, depending on the program, the size of it, and what its doing, it can be written faster in a certain language.
I'm no freenet programmer so i cannot say, but if the programmers say java is a problem and they are working on freenet, hey i guess java is a problem.
The only reason I'm not involved in freenet is because its Java, if it were C i may have gotten involved somehow.
I dont think i'm the only one.
C is also an easier language, its faster, and its better for these types of programs by nature.
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I understand programmers can be esoteric. I took the chance to talk to some of them in IIRC, alot of them are cool. Certainly not as bad as the gnome programmers.
Anyhow, Why sould you develop for freenet? I'll tell you why, because you'll be helping a great deal of people, millions in fact, including yourself. Theres many reasons to use freenet, free storage for the masses is the most obvious reason. Webpages wont cost a dime anymore using freenet So you and many others would save money.
Popular websites would never be taken down, the more popular it is the better the connection is. Freenet works almost like the brain does, the most popular your data the more connections to it.
Work on freenet to make an alternative to the current world wide web if the ideals dont impress you do it for the technology aspect, make freenet a success and you could end up with millions of users who switch from the regular internet, because the regular internet is becoming more and more censored.
Hey i cant tell you what to do, but if i had the ability ( I dont know java ) I'd help make some kinda front end for freenet
Well then, if you dont like the SSSCA, the RIAA, the DCMA, and you want to challenge it, write applications which are impossible to stop.
Gnutella isnt enough, eventually Gnutella will be attacked in some way and people will need somewhere to go,when this happens freenet has to be ready.
We already have a frost front end, and freenewsreader, we have the FreeWeb, as far as having a napster like app for freenet, thats not going to happen, but you will be able to share files on freenet in complete safety.
Lets donate some money, and then buy some TV and billboard advertisements. Convince the voters not to vote for certain people who support this.
First, Donate to Freenet, Gnutella and other difficult if not impossible to stop technologies.
Eventually Morpheus or some company will use this technology, let the economy form after the technology is in place.
You'll be able to buy music directly from musicians without the RIAA, musicians would make more money, you'd save money, and the technology would make buying it effortless, click "pay musician"
We need to donate $$ to people who are defending us.
Alot of you people talk alot, how much have you donated? The EFF, FSF, Freenet, all of these people who stand up for us, how much have you donated? Donate $5, i know everyone here has $5 and if everyone here were to donate $5 to each or to one of these groups, these groups would have more money to defend us.
5x500,000= 2.5 million
If you were to donate 2.5 million to freenet it would be the next napster, if you had 2.5 million to donate to EFF, EFF would have more money to defend you when you are the one going to jail over the SSSCA crap, its these people who can make change, you have to fight back with $$, with hard work, and eventually you can have a revolution, you can even the odds.
Begging them not to change the laws by emailing or writing them isnt going to work, you have to use technology to make the laws impossible to enforce, and get people to stand up for you when they try to outlaw your sourcecode.
Instead of paying the MPAA and RIAA, we donate to people who are supporting our freedom.
I think the main advantage of the RIAA and MPAA is their money, they get their money from us. Why shouldnt we give some of our money to the people defending us.
Lets put the pressure on them, Donate to freenet, EFF, if we can lets donate to Gnutella, all the people the RIAA and MPAA are fighting we should fund the best we can, if we all put millions of dollars into these groups who are defending us we might actually get somewhere.
Donate money to EFF and other groups which defend our rights. Whats a petition going to tell the industry who already knows 60 million+ people disagree with them from the Napster Saga.
Donate to EFF EFF
Donate to GNU
Donate to Linux Mandrake Linux Mandrake
Donate to Freenet
We should donate to all of these groups because these groups are doing the actual fighting, stupid pettitions arent doing anything. Its like a kid who gets down on the ground banging their fists crying, thats not going to stop the bully from kicking your ass. Not giving the bully the money is also not going to stop the bully from kicking your ass. Hiring people to help you fight the bully will help you kick the bullies ass. Its the only way.
50 cents each for an mp3 is as expensive as CDs are now.
15 songs, imagine that.
Instead, people should subscribe and pay for the service of the musician actually creating the mp3s, not pay for the mp3s itself.
You mean to tell me that republicans arent the same way? Smaller government has nothing to do with it, corrupt government and size wont matter.
The government is corrupt.
Trading off one industry for another.
The content industry will kill the technology industry.
Technology and Copyright do not mix, because at some point you have to draw the line.
I'm not going to argue about if copyright is right or wrong, perhaps for our time and our current technology, copyright still has its benifits.
I want you all to think ahead about 20-30 years.
Imagine us living in a world were everything is under copyright. Imagine us having great technology, the ability to think and a computer translate your thoughts, thought based computing, AI, Imagine a new genetic medicine which is the cure to old age, Imagine someone creating an invention which allows you to have unlimited food, water, everything.
Consider the fact that all of these technologies are in labs right now, and we will all live to see these technologies.
Do we want all of these innovative technologies released in a controlled fashion, and ruined?
Thought based computing will never be released unless there are thought control mechanisms, afterall people have to protect their secrets.
Imagine the cure for old age being restricted, the medicine is so expensive that only the top 10% of the population can afford it, so you get to die at 70 while the top 10% gets to live for another few hundred years.
Imagine AI technology, which is so intelligent that it can be used to help calm people down when having panic attacks, can help people with mental problems, can stop people from commiting suicides, and many other helpful innovative technologies which can try to talk people out of situations. Imagine this technology only being availible to the top 10%, while the rest of the world is just suffering.
Consider the fact that we have some kinda nano technology, or perhaps nano genetic technology which can produce unlimited amounts of food, imagine us creating unlimited amounts of drinking water, then imagine this water and food costing more than real food and water which is no longer fresh after years of pollution.
Once again the top 10% will have pure food and water, the best medicines, longer lives, better lives, less mental problems and finally lets consider the fact that even with our technology, the quality of life for 90 percent of the planet will be the same if not worse than it is now.
Also consider the fact that this will be because of greed, not because resources are limited.
I can understand when resources are limited as they are now, but when we have technology which benifits the world and improves the world in total, this technology should not be restricted for the sake of greed(Capitalism)
I'm not saying Capitalism is bad, I'm saying greed is bad. I think we need to figure out how we want to use the technology which is currently in the labs right now, do we want to use it to benifit the world, or do we want to use it to make as much $$ as possible for a select few.
I believe that if this is a democracy and you were to have the world vote on it, They'd make the right choice.
Honestly, 80 percent of the people who dont buy CDs and download stuff from the net, wouldnt buy CDs.
I mean really, if you wanted CDs you'd buy CDs. If you want music, you'll listen to the radio, you'll record it on a tape cassette and you'll have music.
Now wait, you'll say the quality of the cassette isnt the same as CD, but thats what people did before they had the net, they'd tape stuff on cassettes.
Its like saying by law all VCRs should remove the ability to record because you might record a movie from cable or satelite.
Thats just bullshit.
Its also bullshit to say that every movie you'd record from satelite you would have paid to go see at the movie theaters, thats bullshit.
Most movies arent worth paying to go see, but most movies that are halfway decent are worth recording on a blank VHS tape.
I go see maybe a few movies per year, sometimes i dont see any movies for the year.
When i go see a movie, i'm not paying to "see" the movie, I'm paying for the atmosphere, the ability to see the movie on the big screen, to have surround sound, to see the movie immediately.
Just like the movie theater vs the VCR, people will pay to get music immediately, waiting for it to be spread throughout the net is not going to work if you want the music now.
People will have to buy the music or else it wont spread throughout the internet, all the music companies have to do to make people buy their CDs, is to slow the spreading of the music, this can be done by making the CDs more difficult to crack and pirate.
Its fine to sell copy protected CDs, i dont like copy protection but I'm fine with this because the movie people have a right to do this, just dont buy their CDs if you dont want it.
As far as controlling how we use our computers, this is a totally diffrent issue, no one should have the right to control how we use our computer, NO ONE!
This is as important as our right to freedom of speech.
Tell me, 20-30 years from now, when we have some sorta brain to computer interface, Will thoughts be under copyright? By sharing illegal thoughts with someone else will you go to jail? Think about where this is going, technology should overrule copyright. Someday technology is going to be so advanced that to enforce copyright would require mind control and render us total slaves to these people so they can protect their secrets and make money.
Some things in life are more important than money, Freedom is more important than money, the USA, was it founded on capitalism or on freedom? You all have to decide, because if we keep going in this direction will we be giving up our freedom for capitalism. All the talk about communism and facism, well just wait, capitalism is going to lead to the same thing.
stealing what?
To the coward who posted anonnymously.
I never said what content is on the network,
As far as stealing intellectual property, i dont believe thoughts have owners, what i dont believe in, i dont follow.
Law has nothing to do with right and wrong..;
Facism? the RIAA is fascism, freedom = open source, file sharing, peer to peer.
IF you want facism, go to jail for listening to something without permission.
Dont even have the right to listen to what you want, or share files which you own, yes YOU own it because its on your computer, you purchased the CD so you have the right to do anything you want with it as long as you dont use it to profit.
profiting off of music someone else made is stealing money from the person who made it
sharing music with people who wouldnt buy the CD if they never heard it, is not costing anyone any money.
The best decentralized file sharing ive used is WinMX also known as openNAP or Napigator.
Making a program which works like this, but using an automated way to generate subnetworks instead of having users create them.
Imagine connecting to a general network.
Once you connect you search for MUSIC.
This connects you to a general music network.
You dont search for just music but jazz music.
This connects you to a group of other people who also search for and have alot of jazz music on their computer. So you connect to the jazz nodes.
By breaking networks up into groups, just like in the real world people with the same interests, they form cliques, clubs, groups, a network in my opinon would be best if using AI it created networks and subnetworks within them based on what groups of users like.
You like jazz, rock and rap, and this is what the majority of your files are, this can be calculated via fuzzy logic that you like mostly these 3 types off music, so you become part of one of, or all of these 3 networks. The AI also watches for what you search for alot, and connects you to networks based on that. Because you dont really know what networks you are connecting to it seems very decentralized.
Gnutallas problem is it connects everyone to everyone, perhaps creating small groups, and then connecting these small groups to each other would be best.
The person with the fastest connections will help in hosting the lists of nodes on a subnetwork.
The company, simply has to connect people to the main networks such as Jazz, Rap, Rock from which the subnetworks get formed by the users, and leeches connect to the subnetwork host nodes.
I dont know if this would work, its not like i tested it, but hotline does something similar just not in a very good way.
Being able to type in an album and having the search find all the songs, download it automatically, organize them into folders and create a playlist.
Automation is the key. If this process could be stored as a command of some sort and sent to other peoples computers so that when you log off or shut off your machine the computers can search for and find all the files while your computer is off,then the location of the files be sent to you when your computer is turned on again.
I think rebol sounds interesting, Scripting sounds cool, i think automation is something that would take file sharing to the next level.
Not just automation, but perhaps an ability to use AI to figure out the type of music a user likes and doesnt like, and somehow use this improve search results for the music the user likes.
Like connecting to a network of all techno because the user downloads mostly techno, and have hundreds of little subnetworks created based on the music files people have on their computers.
so if you have mostly techno you connect to a group of techno networks, if you have mostly rap you connect to mostly rap networks.
Small networks of say, a few thousand users each while they may be somewhat centralized in nature, if theres enough of these networks its not like anyone would be able to stop it, and it wouldnt be morphues hosting it, it would be the users themselves.
maybw almost like direct connect or hotline, but your connection to these networks would be based on what you search for usually. If you search for many diffrent types of music you'll connect to some general network.
Music companies who would try to check up on whats on the network would most likely search from as wide a range as possible using some program or script, and would connect to a general network.
I dont know its just an idea and i have no idea how to technically do it, but something similar to how winMX works, using AI to discover the servers based on what users like, the discovery process would be whats automated