The internet is quick, you can learn about anything at the click of a button, you dont have to spend hours at the library looking through books,
Also you can communicate with complete strangers instantly. You get to communicate with guys like me who can tell you how the internet is useful, but I wont cook your dinner.
The article said just viewing the email infects you.
Knowing Microsoft and their bugs in their mail client, the best way to secure your machine is to stop using Microsoft products. I dont use IE, I dont use anything Microsoft but their Windows OS itself. I remove as much of their junk as I can and I run my own stuff like Mozilla.
In Linux everything is open source so at least I can look at the code and know what software not to run, dont run poorly written software and dont run servers.
What about before the vulnerability was released? He was still vulnerable to it back then.
I'm not saying I've never been caught with my pants down, the recent ssh bug caught me with my pants down, I'm just saying patching is not a way to secure your machine, you need to do a bit more than that.
I've managed to not get hacked/infected even when I didnt patch in time because I know how to secure my machine in other ways.
Tell this to the people who were infected and then applied the patch.
2.) Using *any* software firewall. Even WinXP's own firewall. ZoneAlarm is trash in my opinion. But it isn't your only protection.
Microsofts firewall doesnt work and you can get infected by the new set of trojans even with that firewall on.
3.) Using a hardware firewall which blocks the RPC port anyway.
Yes thats your best option but the average user doesnt have a hardware firewall.
The only defense is to stay vigilant and be smart about computers. Just because someone is using linux doesn't make it secure. No matter what Operating System you are on, you have to be somewhat proactive in protecting your computer.
Or if you arent a computer expert and dont have time to stay smart about computers, try Linux.
Sure just because you use Linux doesnt make you immune, but it makes you more secure than you would be using Windows. A newbie on Linux is more secure by default than a newbie on Windows.
Zone Alarm is the only thing preventing you from being infected because almost every Windows box has RPC by default. You can disable it but how many people thought to do that before the virus?
Microsoft has such a marketshare and such control over the media that to most average people, Windows IS the PC. There is nothing else, if you tell them about Linux they will say "Whats that?"
Kinda like how Apple was the PC in the 80s and no one knew about anything else.
Whats wrong with Linux? Linux isnt the operating system with a new worm coming out for it every week.
I feel pretty damn safe under Linux, how do you feel worrying about when the next worm will take over your entire machine? How do you feel about viruses, hows that Zone Alarm treating you?
Dont give the RIAA any ideas! They might actually try it.
Re:Yes, the way to help the economy is cut taxes.
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The rich can buy their own bodyguards, why do they need your taxes? Let them hire militias!
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Hey if they own 40% of the countries wealth shouldnt they pay exactly 40% of the countries taxes?
Wait, I must be using flawed logic, they should pay less taxes!!! They should pay 20% instead so they can keep an extra 20% of money.
That 1% has what, 23% of all the money?
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If that 1% has 23% of the money why shouldnt that 1% pay 23% of all the taxes?
If they had 99% of all the money the people with 1% of the money should pay 99% of all the taxes? Would this make you happy?
I'll respond for you because I can predict your response.
- by b-baggins (610215) on Friday September 19, @11:52AM (#7003584)
Yes that would make me very happy! I'd keep more of my own money!
Yeah that is what I figured. I'll pay 99% of all the taxes, me and the others who make about 1% of the money, and you'll pay 1% of the taxes and make 99% of the money, this is fair.
QUOTE:There's a few odd things those "rich" folks do with money that "poor" folks generally don't. Those silly rich tend to invest in a variety of things. They'll start new businesses, or help fund others. Quite often this invested capital actually creates JOBS.
Oh yes, yes Jobs are being created all over India, please move there, theres sooo many jobs there!
The clever bit here, which is a little known fact around socialist knitting clubs, is that "poor" people don't invest! Been around this here planet all my life, and I have yet to get hired for employment by a poor person. It really is the oddest thing. Seems that someone who isn't capable of making a payroll doesn't hire people. Obviously this must be a civil rights issue.
You have never heard of mutual funds? I guess that shot down your "The poor dont invest" idea. Oh and like I said before, if you dont have a job you arent caring about investments, please move to india and get a job.
Taking your sarcasm into account, let's just go and raise them taxes on all those evil "rich" folks and hand it out to who all them really smart politicians feel are more worthy to have that cash. Business and corporations are evil anyway, so if you close down a few or just bring them to their knees all the better.
Someone has to pay the taxes, why shouldnt the people with most of the money pay most of the taxes?
Yeah thats Millionaires, how about Billionaires? I thought we were talking about Mr.Gates, Steve Balmer, and those guys.
You can pull a stat out of your ass and it means nothing if its ouut of contex and not combined with facts proving that most rich people earned it.
Sure you can say most millionaires earned it, that could mean people with over 1 million dollars on that list, but what about billionaires, what about people with 100 million + ?
Show me some real stats and not stats you make up to help your arguement.
The truth is, a lifetime of hard work will pay off if you are consistent about saving ~15% of your earnings along the way. Don't be so pessimistic dude.
If you say $1 for a million years you'll be a millionaire and you'll be able to say you worked hard. I could also come up with stats proving that over a lifetime most Americans will earn millions of dollars.
Yeah like Bill Gates & Oprah - they were just born rich? Bill Gates was a millionare from birth, its a fact, do your research before posting.
Oprah I don't know much about her.
As for you, you are a spoiled brat! Go live in Bangladesh and you come back on here and tell us you have no advantage!
People in India actually have jobs, so do they have the advantage over me? There is no advantage based on where you are on the map. You can live in the USA and be a jobless person with no advantages just like you can have a job in India and live in a big house with maids. How you live has to do with having a job more than where that job is located.
American's really have NO idea what the rest of the world is like. All you can do is get on here and complain that you aren't as rich as these super-rich people? Instead of whining on here because you aren't a Kennedy why don't you change your name to Kennedy and see if that helps? Or maybe you could just stop whining and start your own company and see if you really believe Bill Gates got where he is today by whining that his last name wasn't Kennedy.
Give me a million dollars like Bill Gates had for free when he started, make my parents both a lawyer and a top level political executive, make my family members rich and political, and then shuttle me into Harvard, how hard would it be to do what Bill Gates did? All he did was steal everyones ideas, buy peoples code, lie to people, and I admit hes very good at it, but hes not some kinda computer genius, he never wrote anything special himself when it comes to coding, hes just a smart business man.
I'm tired of Americans like you who just assume that the rest of the world is hell on earth and the USA is just so perfect and great, as if by living in the USA suddenly you are better than the rest of the world.
Guess what, you arent, just because you live here does not mean you by living here have the highest quality of life in the world, Canada, Japan, Sweden, and many other places have a higher quality of living, if you look at almost all of the developed countries, they all get longer vacations than us, if you look at their school systems almost all of them are better educated than us, almost all of them have universal health care while we dont, please tell me what America is giving me? I thought this was the land of "Earn your own shit or have nothing!"
I thought only Canada gave people stuff they didnt earn just because they were Canadian. So Mr. Elitist Elbow Macaroni, because I'm not an Elitist who thinks the USA is the one perfect nation on planet earth I must therefore be a spoiled brat who whines when people are richer than me?
Here is a list of facts.
Fact 1 America is the richest country in the world because we work the hardest! We work longer hours with less vacations than any place on planet earth.
Fact 2 America has the best technology because we invent everything, we have the greatest minds in the world because minds from all over the world come here to work.
Fact 3 America is one of the most stressful, competitive, and difficult countries to live in, we have the best minds from all around the world here in one spot to compete with, we therefore in competition work longer hours and we dont take vacations.
This is only three facts but it tells me that the USA is not the easiest place to surivve in, sure you can get rich here, but you are also more likely to be a homeless bum here because this is the land of competition and the weak do not belong here in America, thats the honest truth.
Why do I complain? Because I'm not here to compete, I dont care about being rich, I'm not interested in working longer hours than everyone else in the world for pride, I do want universal healthcare, I do want more than 50% of highschool students to earn their diploma.
Am I not American? Do you actually believe in freedom of speech?
And this is why people will not stop sharing files. Their morals or belief system says its morally right to share, in this situation nothing is lost when they share files so why not?
Just because YOU don't support the law, that doesn't mean that you have a blank check to defy it. If we defied all the laws we didn't like, it wouldn't be much of a civilization, would it?
The only way to change laws in this country is to defy them. It worked for alcohol, at one point alcohol was illegal, it worked for porn too, porn was illegal at one point.
The war on drugs never ends because its profitable, the war on piracy on the net will never end because of demand.
There is more demand for music than theres demand for copyright and intellectual property, meaning more people want music for free than people who want copyright law to exist.
In this case you have a situation more like, outlawing tabacco, or caffeine, when everyone drinks and smokes, if you dare outlaw it and expect everyone to suddenly stop you are out of your mind.
Now, people want to sue file swappers, it just doesnt work because these people in their mind know they are doing the morally right thing.
The drug dealer on the other hand knows what they are doing is morally wrong but does it for money, I dont think people choose to be a drug dealer, they just cant make that kind of money doing anything else.
You cannot sue people and make them stop, the internet does not work like that. The internet works like a living organism, if you attack it, it adapts to you and becomes immune. Why do you think we cant stop spam?
You seem to think that "oh just sue a few million and they will stop"
No, what they will do is make it difficult if not impossible to sue them, which only makes then even harder to stop, its like with a virus or plague, when you make a vaccine it adapts and becomes immune.
So yes you'll catch a few thousand, then your methods for catching them will cease to work and you'll have to spend insane amounts of money figuring out how to catch them while they share files.
Ask for less money or agree to a salary cap.
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Its going to take a salary cap to fix this economy.
Finally you see through all the lies!
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Its not about how much labor you do, you dont get paid based on merit, you get paid based on who you know, luck, your last name, what you look like, what gender you are, etc etc.
IF you want a million dollars, have a last name with the name Bush or Kennedy, be a white male, and wait a while. Thats all it really takes.
You dont need intelligence, you'll get accepted into Harvard on name alone, you dont need to be talented, you'll get hired because everyone knows your parents, you might need to work hard but thats it.
For the rest of us, working hard wont get us anywhere but into an early grave, and we dont have any advantages, of course if you are a minority then you might have affirmative action to allow you to compete with the Kennedies and Bush's of the world, for the generic poor white male, you are at the bottom of the barrel, everyone else gets advantages and entitlements but you, everyone else gets a free ride, but you get to work hard and have no advantage.
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The internet is quick, you can learn about anything at the click of a button, you dont have to spend hours at the library looking through books,
Also you can communicate with complete strangers instantly. You get to communicate with guys like me who can tell you how the internet is useful, but I wont cook your dinner.
The question is on a website asking us why do we need it.
Well for one, news, second research, third communication, forth freedom of speech, fifth entertainment, sixth education.
The article said just viewing the email infects you.
Knowing Microsoft and their bugs in their mail client, the best way to secure your machine is to stop using Microsoft products. I dont use IE, I dont use anything Microsoft but their Windows OS itself. I remove as much of their junk as I can and I run my own stuff like Mozilla.
In Linux everything is open source so at least I can look at the code and know what software not to run, dont run poorly written software and dont run servers.
What about before the vulnerability was released? He was still vulnerable to it back then.
I'm not saying I've never been caught with my pants down, the recent ssh bug caught me with my pants down, I'm just saying patching is not a way to secure your machine, you need to do a bit more than that.
I've managed to not get hacked/infected even when I didnt patch in time because I know how to secure my machine in other ways.
1.) Applying the patch
Tell this to the people who were infected and then applied the patch.
2.) Using *any* software firewall. Even WinXP's own firewall. ZoneAlarm is trash in my opinion. But it isn't your only protection.
Microsofts firewall doesnt work and you can get infected by the new set of trojans even with that firewall on.
3.) Using a hardware firewall which blocks the RPC port anyway.
Yes thats your best option but the average user doesnt have a hardware firewall.
The only defense is to stay vigilant and be smart about computers. Just because someone is using linux doesn't make it secure. No matter what Operating System you are on, you have to be somewhat proactive in protecting your computer.
Or if you arent a computer expert and dont have time to stay smart about computers, try Linux.
Sure just because you use Linux doesnt make you immune, but it makes you more secure than you would be using Windows. A newbie on Linux is more secure by default than a newbie on Windows.
Zone Alarm is the only thing preventing you from being infected because almost every Windows box has RPC by default. You can disable it but how many people thought to do that before the virus?
And why would I help you get Windows running? I dont use Windows.
Use Knoppix or call Microsoft.
When you are ready to graduate to Linux let me know.
If you were using XP and you didnt get infected by the RPC worm you were lucky. The only way you could defend against it is Zone Alarm.
This means your only defense is Zone Alarm.
Microsoft has such a marketshare and such control over the media that to most average people, Windows IS the PC. There is nothing else, if you tell them about Linux they will say "Whats that?"
Kinda like how Apple was the PC in the 80s and no one knew about anything else.
Whats wrong with Linux? Linux isnt the operating system with a new worm coming out for it every week.
I feel pretty damn safe under Linux, how do you feel worrying about when the next worm will take over your entire machine? How do you feel about viruses, hows that Zone Alarm treating you?
Thats one hell of a virus.
I suggest all Windows users go to http://www.knoppix.net/ and burn the CD.
The government hires employees at a faster rate than the corporate world, and the government hires Americans at a higher rate than big corporations.
Actually I dont WANT to be rich. Why cant you get it through your thick skull that not everyone in this world lives to make money and get rich! Geez.
Dont give the RIAA any ideas! They might actually try it.
The rich can buy their own bodyguards, why do they need your taxes? Let them hire militias!
Hey if they own 40% of the countries wealth shouldnt they pay exactly 40% of the countries taxes?
Wait, I must be using flawed logic, they should pay less taxes!!! They should pay 20% instead so they can keep an extra 20% of money.
If that 1% has 23% of the money why shouldnt that 1% pay 23% of all the taxes?
If they had 99% of all the money the people with 1% of the money should pay 99% of all the taxes? Would this make you happy?
I'll respond for you because I can predict your response.
- by b-baggins (610215) on Friday September 19, @11:52AM (#7003584)
Yes that would make me very happy! I'd keep more of my own money!
Yeah that is what I figured. I'll pay 99% of all the taxes, me and the others who make about 1% of the money, and you'll pay 1% of the taxes and make 99% of the money, this is fair.
QUOTE: There's a few odd things those "rich" folks do with money that "poor" folks generally don't. Those silly rich tend to invest in a variety of things. They'll start new businesses, or help fund others. Quite often this invested capital actually creates JOBS.
Oh yes, yes Jobs are being created all over India, please move there, theres sooo many jobs there!
The clever bit here, which is a little known fact around socialist knitting clubs, is that "poor" people don't invest! Been around this here planet all my life, and I have yet to get hired for employment by a poor person. It really is the oddest thing. Seems that someone who isn't capable of making a payroll doesn't hire people. Obviously this must be a civil rights issue.
You have never heard of mutual funds? I guess that shot down your "The poor dont invest" idea. Oh and like I said before, if you dont have a job you arent caring about investments, please move to india and get a job.
Taking your sarcasm into account, let's just go and raise them taxes on all those evil "rich" folks and hand it out to who all them really smart politicians feel are more worthy to have that cash. Business and corporations are evil anyway, so if you close down a few or just bring them to their knees all the better.
Someone has to pay the taxes, why shouldnt the people with most of the money pay most of the taxes?
Yeah thats Millionaires, how about Billionaires? I thought we were talking about Mr.Gates, Steve Balmer, and those guys.
You can pull a stat out of your ass and it means nothing if its ouut of contex and not combined with facts proving that most rich people earned it.
Sure you can say most millionaires earned it, that could mean people with over 1 million dollars on that list, but what about billionaires, what about people with 100 million + ?
Show me some real stats and not stats you make up to help your arguement.
The truth is, a lifetime of hard work will pay off if you are consistent about saving ~15% of your earnings along the way. Don't be so pessimistic dude.
If you say $1 for a million years you'll be a millionaire and you'll be able to say you worked hard. I could also come up with stats proving that over a lifetime most Americans will earn millions of dollars.
Yeah like Bill Gates & Oprah - they were just born rich?
Bill Gates was a millionare from birth, its a fact, do your research before posting.
Oprah I don't know much about her.
As for you, you are a spoiled brat! Go live in Bangladesh and you come back on here and tell us you have no advantage!
People in India actually have jobs, so do they have the advantage over me? There is no advantage based on where you are on the map. You can live in the USA and be a jobless person with no advantages just like you can have a job in India and live in a big house with maids. How you live has to do with having a job more than where that job is located.
American's really have NO idea what the rest of the world is like. All you can do is get on here and complain that you aren't as rich as these super-rich people? Instead of whining on here because you aren't a Kennedy why don't you change your name to Kennedy and see if that helps? Or maybe you could just stop whining and start your own company and see if you really believe Bill Gates got where he is today by whining that his last name wasn't Kennedy.
Give me a million dollars like Bill Gates had for free when he started, make my parents both a lawyer and a top level political executive, make my family members rich and political, and then shuttle me into Harvard, how hard would it be to do what Bill Gates did? All he did was steal everyones ideas, buy peoples code, lie to people, and I admit hes very good at it, but hes not some kinda computer genius, he never wrote anything special himself when it comes to coding, hes just a smart business man.
I'm tired of Americans like you who just assume that the rest of the world is hell on earth and the USA is just so perfect and great, as if by living in the USA suddenly you are better than the rest of the world.
Guess what, you arent, just because you live here does not mean you by living here have the highest quality of life in the world, Canada, Japan, Sweden, and many other places have a higher quality of living, if you look at almost all of the developed countries, they all get longer vacations than us, if you look at their school systems almost all of them are better educated than us, almost all of them have universal health care while we dont, please tell me what America is giving me? I thought this was the land of "Earn your own shit or have nothing!"
I thought only Canada gave people stuff they didnt earn just because they were Canadian. So Mr. Elitist Elbow Macaroni, because I'm not an Elitist who thinks the USA is the one perfect nation on planet earth I must therefore be a spoiled brat who whines when people are richer than me?
Here is a list of facts.
Fact 1 America is the richest country in the world because we work the hardest! We work longer hours with less vacations than any place on planet earth.
Fact 2 America has the best technology because we invent everything, we have the greatest minds in the world because minds from all over the world come here to work.
Fact 3 America is one of the most stressful, competitive, and difficult countries to live in, we have the best minds from all around the world here in one spot to compete with, we therefore in competition work longer hours and we dont take vacations.
This is only three facts but it tells me that the USA is not the easiest place to surivve in, sure you can get rich here, but you are also more likely to be a homeless bum here because this is the land of competition and the weak do not belong here in America, thats the honest truth.
Why do I complain? Because I'm not here to compete, I dont care about being rich, I'm not interested in working longer hours than everyone else in the world for pride, I do want universal healthcare, I do want more than 50% of highschool students to earn their diploma.
Am I not American? Do you actually believe in freedom of speech?
And this is why people will not stop sharing files. Their morals or belief system says its morally right to share, in this situation nothing is lost when they share files so why not?
Just because YOU don't support the law, that doesn't mean that you have a blank check to defy it. If we defied all the laws we didn't like, it wouldn't be much of a civilization, would it?
The only way to change laws in this country is to defy them. It worked for alcohol, at one point alcohol was illegal, it worked for porn too, porn was illegal at one point.
The war on drugs never ends because its profitable, the war on piracy on the net will never end because of demand.
There is more demand for music than theres demand for copyright and intellectual property, meaning more people want music for free than people who want copyright law to exist.
In this case you have a situation more like, outlawing tabacco, or caffeine, when everyone drinks and smokes, if you dare outlaw it and expect everyone to suddenly stop you are out of your mind.
Now, people want to sue file swappers, it just doesnt work because these people in their mind know they are doing the morally right thing.
The drug dealer on the other hand knows what they are doing is morally wrong but does it for money, I dont think people choose to be a drug dealer, they just cant make that kind of money doing anything else.
You cannot sue people and make them stop, the internet does not work like that. The internet works like a living organism, if you attack it, it adapts to you and becomes immune. Why do you think we cant stop spam?
You seem to think that "oh just sue a few million and they will stop"
No, what they will do is make it difficult if not impossible to sue them, which only makes then even harder to stop, its like with a virus or plague, when you make a vaccine it adapts and becomes immune.
So yes you'll catch a few thousand, then your methods for catching them will cease to work and you'll have to spend insane amounts of money figuring out how to catch them while they share files.
Its going to take a salary cap to fix this economy.
Its not about how much labor you do, you dont get paid based on merit, you get paid based on who you know, luck, your last name, what you look like, what gender you are, etc etc.
IF you want a million dollars, have a last name with the name Bush or Kennedy, be a white male, and wait a while. Thats all it really takes.
You dont need intelligence, you'll get accepted into Harvard on name alone, you dont need to be talented, you'll get hired because everyone knows your parents, you might need to work hard but thats it.
For the rest of us, working hard wont get us anywhere but into an early grave, and we dont have any advantages, of course if you are a minority then you might have affirmative action to allow you to compete with the Kennedies and Bush's of the world, for the generic poor white male, you are at the bottom of the barrel, everyone else gets advantages and entitlements but you, everyone else gets a free ride, but you get to work hard and have no advantage.
This is considered fair capitalism.