The laws should be changed. The rights of the minority should be changed to suit the needs of the majority. I mean what good is a system which cannot adapt to the needs of society?
I'd rather live in a dictatorship that preserved my individual rights than your twisted society where the majority opinion is law.
So why are you in the USA? Iraq and China do everything to preserve peoples individual rights if you are an elite military official.
You have no right to a freedom that infringes on the freedom of another, in this case the constitutionally protected right to maintain a copyright.
Sure I do, our freedom 60 million people, is more important than your freedom (several hundred thousand CEOs and elite musicians)
You must weigh whos freedom is more important. I think alot more people want freedom of speech and freedom online, than freedom to own copyrights.
Its our freedom vs yous, would you like to have a civil war over it?
I'm a musician as well and the RIAA is a music corperate dictatorship, like saddam, who collects taxes from consumers and refuses to pay artists.
The RIAA must be removed, then artists can sign contracts with ISPs, ISPs can then raise their internet rate by about $5, the government can also collect taxes on music equipment, and give out grants to musicians who want to produce music.
The right way would be for ISPs to handle it, I'd gladly have my ISP bill increased by $5 a month for the right to download unlimited amounts of music. Taxes on blank CDs can work to.
But this money should go directly to the artists or it should not be collected at all, we do not need a corperate welfare program.
Laws should protect the rights of the majority. Why the hell else allow guns to be sold? Alot of individuals dont need the right to bare arms, but the majority do.
What about freedom of speech? This helps the majority but it certainly doesnt help the individual who you may curse at.
Laws protect the rights of the majority based on what the majority demands. The majority demanded freedom, thats why they came to this country, the constitutionn was created to protect the rights of the majority, meaning everyone.
I mean its the same thing, people want to share files. People love freedom. Isnt that what the net is all about? Freedom? Isnt that what America is supposed to be about? Freedom? Democracy?
We have no right to preach to other countries, and liberate people when we suddenly overturn democracy when enough CEOs say their profits are going down.
Fuck that, I'll leave this country before I let a bunch of CEOs take away my freedom.
You'd love a place like Iraq, China, the former Soviet Union, North Korea. You are the kinda guy who wants your government to decide everything for you!
You dont like freedom, you dont believe in what this country was founded on! You are a capitalist, you believe capitalism is more important than the constitution, more important than freedom, more important than democracy, please just move to China where you belong. China has a very stable government and if you speak out against them you'll be killed.
Just because a few hundred thousand people such as yourself think something is wrong, doesnt make it wrong.
In a democracy, we decide our own laws. You should move to China or Iraq, where a few hundred thousand people can rob hundreds of millions of people of their freedom. China wants to censor the net, its funny to me that some guy like you will jump up and say thats wrong, but when some CEOs or Companies in the USA want to do the same thing to our people suddenly its right?
So anytime someone is profiting from something, that makes it morally right to protect?
So if i profit of selling air, and I make it illegal for people to breath air, is that right? Is it right for me to force a market to exist even when in reality there is no market?
Face it, people dont want copyright to exist in the digital world, they DONT. They dont want it, the masses prefer freedom over copyright. This is the choice, freedom or copyright, and the country has made its choice.
If you dont like it, move to China, join Al Qaeda, where people dont get to make choices for themselves.
Which is more important? Well lets see, every human on the face of the Earth benefits from freedom.
Copyright benefits the upper class elite.
Which is more important?
Now it seems that the EFF has done a complete 180 degree turn in their approach. They are now attacking copyright holders, saying that they shouldn't have the same protections online as they have in the physical world. Meanwhile, while these rights still do apply to the digital world the EFF is trying to make sure that anyone who choses to violate them is guaranteed anonymity.
Thats because the online world is not the physical world. People dont want the online world to be the physical world, the internet was not designed to be the physical world. The internet was designed to promote freedom. Finally theres a place on this earth where people have nearly absolutely freedom and stupid people like you want to take that freedom away from 60 million people, just so a few hundred thousand greedy rich CEOs such as yourself can profit off other peoples ideas.
Who the hell are you to tell 60 million people they are wrong?
What makes these hundreds of thousands of people more important than the rights and freedoms of 60 million people?
Oh wait, money buys freedom and those hundreds of thousands of people have the money.
Look, geekee, just because you own a copyright, or a patent doesnt mean 99.9 percent of the worlds population cares, the rest of the world does not own any copyright or patent, and if they do the copyright or patent they own is of no value because they sold it to some CEO such as yourself.
And most of the 6 billion people on this planet do not own copyright. Why should we save an industry which is no longer needed? We no longer need record companies to distribute music, they are useless.
Capitalism remember? Let the dead companies die, let the laws adapt to the needs and wants of the people. People do not need or want the current copyright law, people desire more freedom. Give the people what they want!
Why do you want the few CEOs in the world who own all the copyrights and all the information to decide your laws for you.
People want to share music, they want freedom on the internet. This is what the people want, why should we give up freedom so the RIAA can stay in business?
60 million people, vs maybe a few hundred thousand people who work for the RIAA.
Should 60 million people go to jail just so the RIAA can stay in business? I dont think so.
The law must be changed because the people want it changed. Thats how democracy works.
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" If you're just starting out in life, and it sounds like you are, then you can afford to do social work. "
And I'll be able to afford to do social work for 50 years if I want to.
Don't assume that a degree is an automatic reprieve from working at McDonald's. In major metropolitan cities across the US, you can still find yourself working in fast food with a degree + years of experience. I recently met guy who was an advertising exec, but who now works as a greeter at Wafflehouse. If you're recent to the workforce (less than 10 years in my opinion), you need a degree. I hope I didn't sound like I was advocating not ever going to college.
I do live in a big city, you can work for the government with that degree and do just fine.
If you've been in the workforce for a while you usually build financial responsibilities that prevent you from taking jobs as WalMart or McDonald's, or even in nursing. If your financial aid repayments alone are greater than what you make in social work, you should not be in social work (if you want to repay your debt). I understand your desire to improve the world. I think that's great, just so you understand that those who don't, don't because they can't afford the committment... and not all of them have spent beyond their means.
Thats why I went to community college. As far as repaying financial aid, if you join the peacecorp or take a job teaching the gov repays alot of your fees.
I know how the world works, but you can do social work and survive, you dont need a lot of money when you are young, you have no kids, etc. I can live with a roomate on the cheap, share rent, and do social work for a living.
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I guess you dont care much about your country.
You cannot save the world all at once. Start with the USA.
When everyone in the USA eats 3 meals a day and can afford healthcare, then you can worry about country X with the dictator.
Until then I dont see why we bother liberating other countries while millions of people in our own country are suffering and dying.
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"I am, of course, thrilled freaking spitless that you aren't motivated by money. "
Since when could you buy happiness? Having more money is not going to make a person MORE happy.
You either have everything you need, or you are happy with pimiento cheese as one of the four primary food groups. And since you (obviously) have no kids, that isn't an issue for you.
Thats exactly why the condom was invented, and birth control, etc, to prevent a person from having kids before its time. Kids cost alot of money, I'd have to change my whole plan if I had kids, you see right now I can dedicate myself 100% to a job because I dont have kids.
Work the ideological plain, by all means. The rest of us will just sweat things out in reality.
Reality is, we are all connected. Things I do will have a great impact on the world and because we are all connected, it will benefit you even if you never know it.
Regardless of the amount per hour I charge, I do the job I love, and I provide value for the job I do. That would be true whether I was a grocery clerk or an SE (which I am).
Theres two reasons for having a job which I will not dispute. Working because you love the job, or working to benefit society.
You love your job as grocer? go for it. "My work bears my signature. Even if it was something that I felt was "beneath me", I would give it my best effort. If for no other reason than to prove that I can do anything well that I set my mind to."
Of course do the best you can at your job, but you'll be more likely to do your best all the time if its a job you love, or that you think is important enough to dedicate yourself 100% to.
You are just another elitist slob that KNOWS that everything else in the world is beneath their time and effort. So you keep on thinking the same way. And when you get laid off some day, turn down unemployment benefits, too. After all, that is way beneath you. Unless, of course, everyone owes you a living. I am guessing you pretty much feel that way, anyways.
Please I'm not an elitist snob, go to college and get an education, the doors arent slammed shut in your face, you have the ability to open them.
Do I think everyone owes me a living? That has nothing to do with the current topic, I think a living should be more serious than we treat it. I hate the temp job setup and I hope it doesnt because standard.
Some people want a career.
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First, I dont live with my mother or father. Second my mother makes $30k a year, shes far from rich and not in position to help me, I'm actually on the opposite end of the spectrum, I grew up extremely poor, I learned about adult life early on.
However because I never had much I dont want much, and because I know how to survive with almost nothing, I'm not caring about money.
But, there are those that truly feel that a job should be valued solely by the job's contribution to society. Thus, a teacher, a miner, a lumberjack, or a steel worker, should naturally be paid more than one of their respective managers. What was it we called them back in college...um....ah... oh yeah, communists.
You can call me a communist, I guess I'm a communist, but really the only thing that matters to me is the impact that I have. I dont give a damn about money, I've had jobs which paid 30-40k a year, and I gave most of my money away through donations, I dont need money because I have no one to spend it on.
Sure I wouldnt mind being rich, but after i have my house, and after my mom has a house, why would I do with millions of dollars besides donate it?
I judge a jobs value based on the impact it has on society, my reason for WANTING to work is to improve society and the world.
So of course I'm going to base the value of a job on how much it accomplishes its goal.
I'm not saying teachers and miners should get paid more, I dont care how much they get paid as long as its enough for them to do their job and survive.
I still dont see how you consider this communism but I guess anyone who isnt greedy and selfish is a communist.
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you assume that people can just quit. no strings attached and no problems what so ever. you couldnt be that stupid ! some people can't quit because of bills, some can't quit because of sick children, or a pregnant wife, there are millions of reasons as to why someone works the job they do, and for you to say that they dont matter is the most high-horse obnocsious shit you could say.
First tip, dont get married. Second tip, dont live above your means, third tip, dont have kids.
his brothers job does matter. your ass eats dont you ? you go shopping ? you like the things you want to actually be on the shelf ? well they sure as fuck didnt grow arms or legs and put themselves there. they didnt get to the store by magic.
His brothers job doesnt matter to me, I dont need someone to show me around a shopping mall. I also dont need helpdesks and callcenters for computer services, but those jobs exist. Alot of jobs exist which I dont really need. So to me his job doesnt matter. I dont see how his job improves society, the world, or has any impact at all on anything, maybe it saves someone a few seconds worth of time while shopping.
your a fucking boneified idiot. that person in the cubicle could be making sure grandma gets here social security check, so she can buy her food and medication, so she can live. you think YOU matter ? to whom ? your lonely right hand ? get a grip on reality man not everyone is like you, not everyone wants to work at a non-profit. not everyone is work obsessed.
You are funny, you do know the world is filled with mostly starving children, not elderly grandmothers who cant buy their food and medication, but lets assume you were right, instead of hiding behind a desk, work for meals and wheels, work for fedex or UPS, start up a non profit to support the elderly, and you can dedicate your life to helping the elderly.
and whoever the hell modded that shit up needs to be shot in the back of the head and left to rot.
Someone needs anger management, go play quake or something, stop allowing yourself to be filled with hate and rage over a post on the internet, you look stupid with veins popping out of your head and face red over some pixels, some text that doesnt really matter.
sure you do when it suits your intrest. do me a favor, dont go out to eat. (all waitress's dont matter, neither do the cooks or the owner) dont go see any movies (actors, grip's, random people dont matter) dont buy any CD's (musicians and studio techs dont matter) dont EAT (farmers, grocers and truckers dont matter) dont DRIVE (truckers and oil rig workers dont matter) and dont go to any hospitals no matter what (its most likely owned by some greedy corporate company)..... i think MAYBE your getting the idea.
Cooks do matter, waitresses dont matter,
I dont buy CDs and thanks to the RIAA I'm about to boycott them and never buy them again. Movies currently serve a purpose to waste time, as does music, I have too much free time in a day, until I actually get my degree and join the peacecorps or take up a job teaching, 12 hour days arent the norm.
truckers dont matter) dont DRIVE (truckers and oil rig workers dont matter) and dont go to any hospitals no matter what (its most likely owned by some greedy corporate company
Truckers do matter, they ship important materials such as food.
Oil rigs do matter because we need electricity for schools and hospitals, hospitals do matter, because people need help when they get sick.
I'm not going to work at a corperate hospital, but I can say that the job does matter, just like if I work at a school in Tokyo teaching English, I can respect a person living In America working at a private school teaching kids English.
The reason is because we both would have the SAME goal and the same IMPACT, just two different ways of accomplishing our mission.
Its all about the impact you have, some jobs are low impact, like grocer.
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You know I happen to work for a grocery, in the produce department to be exact, and I happen to like my job, I like my pay, I like the people I work with, and I even like my managers.
How is your job important to planet earth?
Its funny asshole, I want you to think about his job not mattering next time your lost in the grocery and can't find the pinto beans or whatever you just can't seem to find. I guess you'll need one of those useless people to help you find it then.
When I get lose I get out of it on my own.I dont need help.
You know it might not be the most glamerous job but I take pride in it and I do it to the best of my abilities. And its not just about the money dipshit right now I doing an REU at Uni. of Cincy and I am still going back to my home city to work on the weekends there not because I am making more money there than I am here in Cincy, but because its a good job to keep and I don't want to have to quit it. It a good job to come back to during the school breaks.
You are a COLLEGE student, so you dont have a career yet, you do odd jobs just to get by, guess what we are in the same spot. I'm talking about someone who gets a college degree and can actually choose their job.
And what gives you the right to tell him he's not allowed to complain and then somehow draw a relationship between that complaining and the fact that he must not like his job. You know sometimes people have shitty days at any job and they like to vent obviouly he didn't like that fact they were going to be taking 50 extra dollars a month out of his check, screw you for tell him his job doesn't matter solely because he complained,
Most jobs dont matter, I dont think the world needs grocery clerks, I'd prefer a computer do your job, but thats just me.
because I am sure you have complained about your job before at least once so obviously your job doesn't matter either. So why don't you get off your high horse, and come on back down to the real world, where real people work. People who don't fucking tell other people their job doesn't MATTER. I think you've been cramped in your cubicle just a little too long, because obviously your job doesn't matter.
I never complained about my job, even when I have a job I hate, I dont complain because it was me who picked the job in the first place.
By the way we are talking about careers, not college students getting jobs to pay for school. When you have a career, you want to do something which is important, when you are in college, school is more important than anything, the job just lets you pay for it.
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I do have one actually. Its not a very good job, but considering I dont have a degree I cant be picky.
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thats a crock of shit. most people only complain if something actually is wrong, and if something you are seriously dedicated to is fucked up then its your responsability to complain so the people who control it fix it. and i hate to break you the news but working in a shitty enviroment will take whatever joy you have out of you. it will make you miserable, and you can try and bury your anger and displeasure all you want. it doesnt change the fact that your angry or unhappy. you just aren't has vocal about it.
I'm not angry, I'm not complaining.
go ahead dedicate your whole life to something. then when your 65 you will notice that your life was worthless because you are alone, and you have never experienced anything but your job.
So what? I can have a million dollars and still be alone, then my life was ALOT more worthless than if I dedicated myself completely to my work. Look you have absolutely no control over who you'll meet in life, none at all, so why bother focusing on who you'll meet between now and age 65?
people who work non-stop are afraid to live life. they take shelter and comfort from their job. but they have no life, no real desires..... nothing.
You are right, but have you ever stopped to think that some people in this world dont WANT anything? You see, you want a big car, you want a big house, you want alot of junk and toys, what I want is to have a job that matters, that I can make my life. You say people have no desires? My desire is to do something great which improves or benefits the world as a whole. You say I have no life? My work would be my life.
Maybe if you found a job thats most important to you, like being a teacher, a doctor, a police officer, or even working in government you'd know that to alot of people, they are their work.
i know many people like this. and they are the sadest bunch i have ever known.
The problem isnt that people dont live life, the problem is because people dont live life like you, you cannot understand or accept it. Having alot of money and buying alot of toys is pointless.
now to pick apart the rest of your post. i hate to break you the news but working in a shitty enviroment will take whatever joy you have out of you.
The enviornment doesnt matter, all that matters is the results!
it doesnt change the fact that your angry or unhappy.
Maybe if you stopped focusing on you, and started focusing on your work, you'd be happy with yourself based on all the great work you've done.
you just aren't has vocal about it.
What do you accomplish by complaning? You picked the job. If you want to complain about something complain about life, you didnt pick your life, you were placed into it, however if you spend your time here complaining you'll never accomplish anything, you will be a homeless drunk or drug addict who complains.
if something you are seriously dedicated to is fucked up
How can being a teacher be fucked up? Teachers have the most important job in the world!
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You just did a complete 180 from your previous statement. If people could always do what they LOVE, then if they loved teaching, they'd already be teaching. Non profit work won't help out people who invested thousands into an education under a realistic expectation that the economy would remain good. If it works for you, then great, but I know doing social work won't pay my bills, and I live pretty modestly.
Doing social work pays bills if you live with a roomate, you dont have kids, and you know how to live cheap like I do.
Using college as a shelter until the economy improves is not an ingenious idea - it's being done right now. There is an interesting economic effect that hiding in college to get that second or third degree has. It pushes up the educational requirements for jobs once the market improves.
Yeah but I need a college degree if I'm to get any job at all besides Mc Donalds, Walmart, and things which pay minimum wage. SO you can say college is a shelter but it also gives a young person time to learn what they are good at, and what they want to dedicate their lives to. For alot of people, working these pointless jobs or at a temp agency sucks.
For example, you might not be old enough for this, but decades ago, a Bachelor's degree ensured a very good chance at great career transparent of the job field. Then as the 90s came, a Master's degree became necessary in several fields if you wanted to advance. With the economy in the state that it is in, and with so many master's degree holders going back to college and living on financial aid, by the time they come back out onto the market, they will have additional Master's or even PhDs. The market will be filled with 2nd Masters and PhDs all pursuing work that was originally targetted to people holding but one Masters. As a result, education preferences for just getting into the job interview have been artificially increased.
I understand what you are saying, but with my degree I can work in other countries where not everyone has a degree. You see while I'd prefer to work at improving my country, if my country no longer needs my services I'm free to go elsewhere.
It doesnt matter where I work as long as I accomplish my goal. My degree is worth less in the USA but with a degree you are almost guarenteed to find a job, you dont have to work for a temp agency or fast food.
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The laws should be changed. The rights of the minority should be changed to suit the needs of the majority. I mean what good is a system which cannot adapt to the needs of society?
I'd rather live in a dictatorship that preserved my individual rights than your twisted society where the majority opinion is law.
So why are you in the USA? Iraq and China do everything to preserve peoples individual rights if you are an elite military official.
You have no right to a freedom that infringes on the freedom of another, in this case the constitutionally protected right to maintain a copyright.
Sure I do, our freedom 60 million people, is more important than your freedom (several hundred thousand CEOs and elite musicians)
You must weigh whos freedom is more important. I think alot more people want freedom of speech and freedom online, than freedom to own copyrights.
Its our freedom vs yous, would you like to have a civil war over it?
So you think God cares about how profitable your business is?
God would prefer the world be free, than a world where a few people profit but everyone else is a slave.
If God believed in slavery there would be no need for heaven or hell.
Freenet needs are much donations as the EFF.
I'm a musician as well and the RIAA is a music corperate dictatorship, like saddam, who collects taxes from consumers and refuses to pay artists.
The RIAA must be removed, then artists can sign contracts with ISPs, ISPs can then raise their internet rate by about $5, the government can also collect taxes on music equipment, and give out grants to musicians who want to produce music.
The right way would be for ISPs to handle it, I'd gladly have my ISP bill increased by $5 a month for the right to download unlimited amounts of music. Taxes on blank CDs can work to.
But this money should go directly to the artists or it should not be collected at all, we do not need a corperate welfare program.
Laws should protect the rights of the majority. Why the hell else allow guns to be sold? Alot of individuals dont need the right to bare arms, but the majority do.
What about freedom of speech? This helps the majority but it certainly doesnt help the individual who you may curse at.
Laws protect the rights of the majority based on what the majority demands. The majority demanded freedom, thats why they came to this country, the constitutionn was created to protect the rights of the majority, meaning everyone.
Since when did Capitalism and Profits of companies decide morality?
If this is the case Microsoft can call Linux users evil cyber terrorists because Linux users prevent them from making a profit.
I mean its the same thing, people want to share files. People love freedom. Isnt that what the net is all about? Freedom? Isnt that what America is supposed to be about? Freedom? Democracy?
We have no right to preach to other countries, and liberate people when we suddenly overturn democracy when enough CEOs say their profits are going down.
Fuck that, I'll leave this country before I let a bunch of CEOs take away my freedom.
You'd love a place like Iraq, China, the former Soviet Union, North Korea. You are the kinda guy who wants your government to decide everything for you!
You dont like freedom, you dont believe in what this country was founded on! You are a capitalist, you believe capitalism is more important than the constitution, more important than freedom, more important than democracy, please just move to China where you belong. China has a very stable government and if you speak out against them you'll be killed.
Just because a few hundred thousand people such as yourself think something is wrong, doesnt make it wrong.
In a democracy, we decide our own laws. You should move to China or Iraq, where a few hundred thousand people can rob hundreds of millions of people of their freedom. China wants to censor the net, its funny to me that some guy like you will jump up and say thats wrong, but when some CEOs or Companies in the USA want to do the same thing to our people suddenly its right?
So anytime someone is profiting from something, that makes it morally right to protect?
So if i profit of selling air, and I make it illegal for people to breath air, is that right? Is it right for me to force a market to exist even when in reality there is no market?
Face it, people dont want copyright to exist in the digital world, they DONT. They dont want it, the masses prefer freedom over copyright. This is the choice, freedom or copyright, and the country has made its choice.
If you dont like it, move to China, join Al Qaeda, where people dont get to make choices for themselves.
Which is more important? Well lets see, every human on the face of the Earth benefits from freedom.
Copyright benefits the upper class elite.
Which is more important?
Now it seems that the EFF has done a complete 180 degree turn in their approach. They are now attacking copyright holders, saying that they shouldn't have the same protections online as they have in the physical world. Meanwhile, while these rights still do apply to the digital world the EFF is trying to make sure that anyone who choses to violate them is guaranteed anonymity.
Thats because the online world is not the physical world. People dont want the online world to be the physical world, the internet was not designed to be the physical world. The internet was designed to promote freedom. Finally theres a place on this earth where people have nearly absolutely freedom and stupid people like you want to take that freedom away from 60 million people, just so a few hundred thousand greedy rich CEOs such as yourself can profit off other peoples ideas.
Who the hell are you to tell 60 million people they are wrong?
What makes these hundreds of thousands of people more important than the rights and freedoms of 60 million people?
Oh wait, money buys freedom and those hundreds of thousands of people have the money.
Look, geekee, just because you own a copyright, or a patent doesnt mean 99.9 percent of the worlds population cares, the rest of the world does not own any copyright or patent, and if they do the copyright or patent they own is of no value because they sold it to some CEO such as yourself.
And most of the 6 billion people on this planet do not own copyright. Why should we save an industry which is no longer needed? We no longer need record companies to distribute music, they are useless.
Capitalism remember? Let the dead companies die, let the laws adapt to the needs and wants of the people. People do not need or want the current copyright law, people desire more freedom. Give the people what they want!
Why do you want the few CEOs in the world who own all the copyrights and all the information to decide your laws for you.
People want to share music, they want freedom on the internet. This is what the people want, why should we give up freedom so the RIAA can stay in business?
60 million people, vs maybe a few hundred thousand people who work for the RIAA.
Think about this.
Should 60 million people go to jail just so the RIAA can stay in business? I dont think so.
The law must be changed because the people want it changed. Thats how democracy works.
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And I'll be able to afford to do social work for 50 years if I want to.
Don't assume that a degree is an automatic reprieve from working at McDonald's. In major metropolitan cities across the US, you can still find yourself working in fast food with a degree + years of experience. I recently met guy who was an advertising exec, but who now works as a greeter at Wafflehouse. If you're recent to the workforce (less than 10 years in my opinion), you need a degree. I hope I didn't sound like I was advocating not ever going to college.
I do live in a big city, you can work for the government with that degree and do just fine.
If you've been in the workforce for a while you usually build financial responsibilities that prevent you from taking jobs as WalMart or McDonald's, or even in nursing. If your financial aid repayments alone are greater than what you make in social work, you should not be in social work (if you want to repay your debt). I understand your desire to improve the world. I think that's great, just so you understand that those who don't, don't because they can't afford the committment... and not all of them have spent beyond their means.
Thats why I went to community college. As far as repaying financial aid, if you join the peacecorp or take a job teaching the gov repays alot of your fees.
I know how the world works, but you can do social work and survive, you dont need a lot of money when you are young, you have no kids, etc. I can live with a roomate on the cheap, share rent, and do social work for a living.
I guess you dont care much about your country.
You cannot save the world all at once. Start with the USA.
When everyone in the USA eats 3 meals a day and can afford healthcare, then you can worry about country X with the dictator.
Until then I dont see why we bother liberating other countries while millions of people in our own country are suffering and dying.
"I am, of course, thrilled freaking spitless that you aren't motivated by money. "
Since when could you buy happiness? Having more money is not going to make a person MORE happy.
You either have everything you need, or you are happy with pimiento cheese as one of the four primary food groups. And since you (obviously) have no kids, that isn't an issue for you.
Thats exactly why the condom was invented, and birth control, etc, to prevent a person from having kids before its time. Kids cost alot of money, I'd have to change my whole plan if I had kids, you see right now I can dedicate myself 100% to a job because I dont have kids.
Work the ideological plain, by all means. The rest of us will just sweat things out in reality.
Reality is, we are all connected. Things I do will have a great impact on the world and because we are all connected, it will benefit you even if you never know it.
Regardless of the amount per hour I charge, I do the job I love, and I provide value for the job I do. That would be true whether I was a grocery clerk or an SE (which I am).
Theres two reasons for having a job which I will not dispute. Working because you love the job, or working to benefit society.
You love your job as grocer? go for it.
"My work bears my signature. Even if it was something that I felt was "beneath me", I would give it my best effort. If for no other reason than to prove that I can do anything well that I set my mind to."
Of course do the best you can at your job, but you'll be more likely to do your best all the time if its a job you love, or that you think is important enough to dedicate yourself 100% to.
You are just another elitist slob that KNOWS that everything else in the world is beneath their time and effort. So you keep on thinking the same way. And when you get laid off some day, turn down unemployment benefits, too. After all, that is way beneath you. Unless, of course, everyone owes you a living. I am guessing you pretty much feel that way, anyways.
Please I'm not an elitist snob, go to college and get an education, the doors arent slammed shut in your face, you have the ability to open them.
Do I think everyone owes me a living? That has nothing to do with the current topic, I think a living should be more serious than we treat it. I hate the temp job setup and I hope it doesnt because standard.
Some people want a career.
First, I dont live with my mother or father. Second my mother makes $30k a year, shes far from rich and not in position to help me, I'm actually on the opposite end of the spectrum, I grew up extremely poor, I learned about adult life early on.
However because I never had much I dont want much, and because I know how to survive with almost nothing, I'm not caring about money.
But, there are those that truly feel that a job should be valued solely by the job's contribution to society. Thus, a teacher, a miner, a lumberjack, or a steel worker, should naturally be paid more than one of their respective managers. What was it we called them back in college...um....ah... oh yeah, communists.
You can call me a communist, I guess I'm a communist, but really the only thing that matters to me is the impact that I have. I dont give a damn about money, I've had jobs which paid 30-40k a year, and I gave most of my money away through donations, I dont need money because I have no one to spend it on.
Sure I wouldnt mind being rich, but after i have my house, and after my mom has a house, why would I do with millions of dollars besides donate it?
I judge a jobs value based on the impact it has on society, my reason for WANTING to work is to improve society and the world.
So of course I'm going to base the value of a job on how much it accomplishes its goal.
I'm not saying teachers and miners should get paid more, I dont care how much they get paid as long as its enough for them to do their job and survive.
I still dont see how you consider this communism but I guess anyone who isnt greedy and selfish is a communist.
you assume that people can just quit. no strings attached and no problems what so ever. you couldnt be that stupid ! some people can't quit because of bills, some can't quit because of sick children, or a pregnant wife, there are millions of reasons as to why someone works the job they do, and for you to say that they dont matter is the most high-horse obnocsious shit you could say.
..... i think MAYBE your getting the idea.
First tip, dont get married. Second tip, dont live above your means, third tip, dont have kids.
his brothers job does matter. your ass eats dont you ? you go shopping ? you like the things you want to actually be on the shelf ? well they sure as fuck didnt grow arms or legs and put themselves there. they didnt get to the store by magic.
His brothers job doesnt matter to me, I dont need someone to show me around a shopping mall. I also dont need helpdesks and callcenters for computer services, but those jobs exist. Alot of jobs exist which I dont really need. So to me his job doesnt matter. I dont see how his job improves society, the world, or has any impact at all on anything, maybe it saves someone a few seconds worth of time while shopping.
your a fucking boneified idiot. that person in the cubicle could be making sure grandma gets here social security check, so she can buy her food and medication, so she can live. you think YOU matter ? to whom ? your lonely right hand ? get a grip on reality man not everyone is like you, not everyone wants to work at a non-profit. not everyone is work obsessed.
You are funny, you do know the world is filled with mostly starving children, not elderly grandmothers who cant buy their food and medication, but lets assume you were right, instead of hiding behind a desk, work for meals and wheels, work for fedex or UPS, start up a non profit to support the elderly, and you can dedicate your life to helping the elderly.
and whoever the hell modded that shit up needs to be shot in the back of the head and left to rot.
Someone needs anger management, go play quake or something, stop allowing yourself to be filled with hate and rage over a post on the internet, you look stupid with veins popping out of your head and face red over some pixels, some text that doesnt really matter.
sure you do when it suits your intrest. do me a favor, dont go out to eat. (all waitress's dont matter, neither do the cooks or the owner) dont go see any movies (actors, grip's, random people dont matter) dont buy any CD's (musicians and studio techs dont matter) dont EAT (farmers, grocers and truckers dont matter) dont DRIVE (truckers and oil rig workers dont matter) and dont go to any hospitals no matter what (its most likely owned by some greedy corporate company)
Cooks do matter, waitresses dont matter,
I dont buy CDs and thanks to the RIAA I'm about to boycott them and never buy them again. Movies currently serve a purpose to waste time, as does music, I have too much free time in a day, until I actually get my degree and join the peacecorps or take up a job teaching, 12 hour days arent the norm.
truckers dont matter) dont DRIVE (truckers and oil rig workers dont matter) and dont go to any hospitals no matter what (its most likely owned by some greedy corporate company
Truckers do matter, they ship important materials such as food.
Oil rigs do matter because we need electricity for schools and hospitals, hospitals do matter, because people need help when they get sick.
I'm not going to work at a corperate hospital, but I can say that the job does matter, just like if I work at a school in Tokyo teaching English, I can respect a person living In America working at a private school teaching kids English.
The reason is because we both would have the SAME goal and the same IMPACT, just two different ways of accomplishing our mission.
Its all about the impact you have, some jobs are low impact, like grocer.
You know I happen to work for a grocery, in the produce department to be exact, and I happen to like my job, I like my pay, I like the people I work with, and I even like my managers.
How is your job important to planet earth?
Its funny asshole, I want you to think about his job not mattering next time your lost in the grocery and can't find the pinto beans or whatever you just can't seem to find. I guess you'll need one of those useless people to help you find it then.
When I get lose I get out of it on my own.I dont need help.
You know it might not be the most glamerous job but I take pride in it and I do it to the best of my abilities. And its not just about the money dipshit right now I doing an REU at Uni. of Cincy and I am still going back to my home city to work on the weekends there not because I am making more money there than I am here in Cincy, but because its a good job to keep and I don't want to have to quit it. It a good job to come back to during the school breaks.
You are a COLLEGE student, so you dont have a career yet, you do odd jobs just to get by, guess what we are in the same spot. I'm talking about someone who gets a college degree and can actually choose their job.
And what gives you the right to tell him he's not allowed to complain and then somehow draw a relationship between that complaining and the fact that he must not like his job. You know sometimes people have shitty days at any job and they like to vent obviouly he didn't like that fact they were going to be taking 50 extra dollars a month out of his check, screw you for tell him his job doesn't matter solely because he complained,
Most jobs dont matter, I dont think the world needs grocery clerks, I'd prefer a computer do your job, but thats just me.
because I am sure you have complained about your job before at least once so obviously your job doesn't matter either.
So why don't you get off your high horse, and come on back down to the real world, where real people work. People who don't fucking tell other people their job doesn't MATTER. I think you've been cramped in your cubicle just a little too long, because obviously your job doesn't matter.
I never complained about my job, even when I have a job I hate, I dont complain because it was me who picked the job in the first place.
By the way we are talking about careers, not college students getting jobs to pay for school. When you have a career, you want to do something which is important, when you are in college, school is more important than anything, the job just lets you pay for it.
I do have one actually. Its not a very good job, but considering I dont have a degree I cant be picky.
thats a crock of shit. most people only complain if something actually is wrong, and if something you are seriously dedicated to is fucked up then its your responsability to complain so the people who control it fix it. and i hate to break you the news but working in a shitty enviroment will take whatever joy you have out of you. it will make you miserable, and you can try and bury your anger and displeasure all you want. it doesnt change the fact that your angry or unhappy. you just aren't has vocal about it.
..... nothing.
I'm not angry, I'm not complaining.
go ahead dedicate your whole life to something. then when your 65 you will notice that your life was worthless because you are alone, and you have never experienced anything but your job.
So what? I can have a million dollars and still be alone, then my life was ALOT more worthless than if I dedicated myself completely to my work. Look you have absolutely no control over who you'll meet in life, none at all, so why bother focusing on who you'll meet between now and age 65?
people who work non-stop are afraid to live life. they take shelter and comfort from their job. but they have no life, no real desires
You are right, but have you ever stopped to think that some people in this world dont WANT anything?
You see, you want a big car, you want a big house, you want alot of junk and toys, what I want is to have a job that matters, that I can make my life. You say people have no desires? My desire is to do something great which improves or benefits the world as a whole. You say I have no life? My work would be my life.
Maybe if you found a job thats most important to you, like being a teacher, a doctor, a police officer, or even working in government you'd know that to alot of people, they are their work.
i know many people like this. and they are the sadest bunch i have ever known.
The problem isnt that people dont live life, the problem is because people dont live life like you, you cannot understand or accept it. Having alot of money and buying alot of toys is pointless.
now to pick apart the rest of your post.
i hate to break you the news but working in a shitty enviroment will take whatever joy you have out of you.
The enviornment doesnt matter, all that matters is the results!
it doesnt change the fact that your angry or unhappy.
Maybe if you stopped focusing on you, and started focusing on your work, you'd be happy with yourself based on all the great work you've done.
you just aren't has vocal about it.
What do you accomplish by complaning? You picked the job. If you want to complain about something complain about life, you didnt pick your life, you were placed into it, however if you spend your time here complaining you'll never accomplish anything, you will be a homeless drunk or drug addict who complains.
if something you are seriously dedicated to is fucked up
How can being a teacher be fucked up? Teachers have the most important job in the world!
You worry about bills years later.
You'll have the rest of your life to pay it.
You just did a complete 180 from your previous statement. If people could always do what they LOVE, then if they loved teaching, they'd already be teaching. Non profit work won't help out people who invested thousands into an education under a realistic expectation that the economy would remain good. If it works for you, then great, but I know doing social work won't pay my bills, and I live pretty modestly.
Doing social work pays bills if you live with a roomate, you dont have kids, and you know how to live cheap like I do.
Using college as a shelter until the economy improves is not an ingenious idea - it's being done right now. There is an interesting economic effect that hiding in college to get that second or third degree has. It pushes up the educational requirements for jobs once the market improves.
Yeah but I need a college degree if I'm to get any job at all besides Mc Donalds, Walmart, and things which pay minimum wage. SO you can say college is a shelter but it also gives a young person time to learn what they are good at, and what they want to dedicate their lives to. For alot of people, working these pointless jobs or at a temp agency sucks.
For example, you might not be old enough for this, but decades ago, a Bachelor's degree ensured a very good chance at great career transparent of the job field. Then as the 90s came, a Master's degree became necessary in several fields if you wanted to advance. With the economy in the state that it is in, and with so many master's degree holders going back to college and living on financial aid, by the time they come back out onto the market, they will have additional Master's or even PhDs. The market will be filled with 2nd Masters and PhDs all pursuing work that was originally targetted to people holding but one Masters. As a result, education preferences for just getting into the job interview have been artificially increased.
I understand what you are saying, but with my degree I can work in other countries where not everyone has a degree. You see while I'd prefer to work at improving my country, if my country no longer needs my services I'm free to go elsewhere.
It doesnt matter where I work as long as I accomplish my goal. My degree is worth less in the USA but with a degree you are almost guarenteed to find a job, you dont have to work for a temp agency or fast food.