Please talk about this after you have to admin a bunch of NT boxes, installing service packs, writing software that runs too slow (that would otherwise run fine on any Unix box), dealing with BSOD's, graphic drivers that run at the kernel level.... TCP/IP out of the box? Big deal, any commercial or free Unix variant comes with this. Please go learn about how operating systems actually work before posting.
But you're missing the point. Windows of any variety today has an object-oriented interface that is years ahead of the power and capability of any version of OS/2 ever released. Windows NT is 100% 32-bit and truly multitasking.
No, you are missing the point. You are comparing OS/2 1.2 to a modern WinNT? This doesn't fly. At least compare versions that were out at the same time. OS/2 2.0 (back in I think 1993) introduced the OO desktop, which Win95 later STOLE afterwards. Of course OS/2 1.2 doesn't support 3-D cards... THERE WERE NO 3-D CARDS WHEN OS/2 1.2 WAS INTRODUCED! Do you even know how old 1.2 is??? You are either a troll or severly mis-informed.
OS/2. We all know how well OS/2 fared! Why? Because it was not even close to the quality of Microsoft's product: Windows 3.1.
Please take the crack pipe out of your mouth. OS/2 was much higher quality than Windows 3.1. IBM never marketed OS/2 to the end user community like Microsoft marketed Windows. Win31 was designed for the low end. OS/2 back in version 2.0 was 99% 32-bit, truly multitasking, a truly OO desktop, and had a protected memory architecture. Win31 had none of these. It was a GUI DOS shell and nothing more.
Not that I have anything against MySQL, but depending on your needs, PostgreSQL may be a better choice for an RDMS. It is open source, and has transactions, triggers, a procedural language, and API's for languages like C, C++, perl, and python (and MySQL may have some of these as well). Of course, your mileage may vary.
The whole Natalie Portman thing got moved to Slashdot because Segfault.org stopped allowing people to post messages. I was a frequent Segfault reader, and Natalie Portman was a very common topic over there. The Natalie Portman/Statue/Mae Ling whatever/etc... people just moved over here to Slashdot.
This does not work according to the Simpson's calendar. Remember the Nightmare On Evergreen Terrace episode, the parents of the school kids gathered to discuss the misprinted calendars ("Lousy Smarch weather"... --Homer Simpson) on the thirteenth day of the thirteenth month, so the last ODD day in Springfield is 19-13-1999 (DD-MM-YYYY), or possibly 31-13-1999.
I have stepped outside of the bounds of my knowledge on this topic. I am not familiar with the difference between "metadata logging" and "log-structured filesystems". Care to offer a definition of each?
So, in other words, once someone makes a point you dislike, you redefine it away. NT does have a JFS, it's just not "full" enough to suit you. Personally, I don't care.
I don't like or dislike the statement. I was only saying that some people will disagree with this since some people will only call a file system "journaling" if it is considered "full journaling".
To be fair, you must now concede that NT is reliable, because if you reboot regularly enough you only get scheduled downtime
If your definition of "reliable" requires substantial (MS's 99.9% yearly uptime is acutally substantial downtime) reboots, then yes. My definition of reliable requires minimal rebooting. Rebooting should only occur during very low level system software upgrades (e.g., kernel), or hardware upgrades/failures. Installing applications should never require rebooting (as it does on NT).
I can't fully stick my neck out on this, but it is my understanding that NTFS only keeps file system layout data in the journal, whereas other filesystems keep file data in the journal. I could be wrong on this.
The entire point was that MS will tout NTFS as journaling, where other filesystems are more advanced on other platforms but are never mentioned in the comparisons.
NT lacks a full JFS. It is only a partial journaling FS, which is good enough for the marketing department. Most people are referring to a full JFS when the word journaling is mentioned (which Linux still lacks until XFS or Ext3 comes out).
I would guess the average Futurama viewer has heard of Linux. An ad would be more benefitial if it were in the middle of Friends or Wheel Of Fortune (non-geek shows:-).
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Please talk about this after you have to admin a bunch of NT boxes, installing service packs, writing software that runs too slow (that would otherwise run fine on any Unix box), dealing with BSOD's, graphic drivers that run at the kernel level.... TCP/IP out of the box? Big deal, any commercial or free Unix variant comes with this. Please go learn about how operating systems actually work before posting.
I've never seen a software locker with a copy of Windows 3 that wasn't on floppies
I actually do have Win3.1 on a CD-ROM that came with a multimedia kit I bought way back when... :)
But you're missing the point. Windows of any variety today has an object-oriented interface that is years ahead of the power and capability of any version of OS/2 ever released. Windows NT is 100% 32-bit and truly multitasking.
No, you are missing the point. You are comparing OS/2 1.2 to a modern WinNT? This doesn't fly. At least compare versions that were out at the same time. OS/2 2.0 (back in I think 1993) introduced the OO desktop, which Win95 later STOLE afterwards. Of course OS/2 1.2 doesn't support 3-D cards... THERE WERE NO 3-D CARDS WHEN OS/2 1.2 WAS INTRODUCED! Do you even know how old 1.2 is??? You are either a troll or severly mis-informed.
OS/2. We all know how well OS/2 fared! Why? Because it was not even close to the quality of Microsoft's product: Windows 3.1.
Please take the crack pipe out of your mouth. OS/2 was much higher quality than Windows 3.1. IBM never marketed OS/2 to the end user community like Microsoft marketed Windows. Win31 was designed for the low end. OS/2 back in version 2.0 was 99% 32-bit, truly multitasking, a truly OO desktop, and had a protected memory architecture. Win31 had none of these. It was a GUI DOS shell and nothing more.
Not that I have anything against MySQL, but depending on your needs, PostgreSQL may be a better choice for an RDMS. It is open source, and has transactions, triggers, a procedural language, and API's for languages like C, C++, perl, and python (and MySQL may have some of these as well). Of course, your mileage may vary.
In case some people don't know it exists, there is a free (as in speech) Java IDE over at www.freebuilder.org.
The whole Natalie Portman thing got moved to Slashdot because Segfault.org stopped allowing people to post messages. I was a frequent Segfault reader, and Natalie Portman was a very common topic over there. The Natalie Portman/Statue/Mae Ling whatever/etc... people just moved over here to Slashdot.
All these trolls will go back to posting the Natalie Portman/Statue garbage at Segfault where it belongs (arguabally).
This does not work according to the Simpson's calendar. Remember the Nightmare On Evergreen Terrace episode, the parents of the school kids gathered to discuss the misprinted calendars ("Lousy Smarch weather"... --Homer Simpson) on the thirteenth day of the thirteenth month, so the last ODD day in Springfield is 19-13-1999 (DD-MM-YYYY), or possibly 31-13-1999.
The number 2 followed by two zeros.
They have some deal with ATI for open source drivers on some of their cards.
It's listed as humor. Lighten up.
I highly recommend a subscription. I love mine!
:) LOL! I think we need a moderation category called "rimshot".
Hopefully a meteor will gently smack the Hubble and fix it. :-)
I have stepped outside of the bounds of my knowledge on this topic. I am not familiar with the difference between "metadata logging" and "log-structured filesystems". Care to offer a definition of each?
So, in other words, once someone makes a point you dislike, you redefine it away. NT does have a JFS, it's just not "full" enough to suit you. Personally, I don't care.
I don't like or dislike the statement. I was only saying that some people will disagree with this since some people will only call a file system "journaling" if it is considered "full journaling".
To be fair, you must now concede that NT is reliable, because if you reboot regularly enough you only get scheduled downtime
If your definition of "reliable" requires substantial (MS's 99.9% yearly uptime is acutally substantial downtime) reboots, then yes. My definition of reliable requires minimal rebooting. Rebooting should only occur during very low level system software upgrades (e.g., kernel), or hardware upgrades/failures. Installing applications should never require rebooting (as it does on NT).
I can't fully stick my neck out on this, but it is my understanding that NTFS only keeps file system layout data in the journal, whereas other filesystems keep file data in the journal. I could be wrong on this.
The entire point was that MS will tout NTFS as journaling, where other filesystems are more advanced on other platforms but are never mentioned in the comparisons.
NT lacks a full JFS. It is only a partial journaling FS, which is good enough for the marketing department. Most people are referring to a full JFS when the word journaling is mentioned (which Linux still lacks until XFS or Ext3 comes out).
I would guess the average Futurama viewer has heard of Linux. An ad would be more benefitial if it were in the middle of Friends or Wheel Of Fortune (non-geek shows :-).
I recall seeing removable toolbars (or at least plain floating toolbars) on the Mac GUI before Micros~1 windoze had them.
Funny how linux is copying the windows gui
Funny how windows copied the OS/2 gui...
Run www.deja.com through Netcraft.com. It is Linux.
buying the win2k beta
Sorry, but I can't help but laugh at this concept.
I know plenty of places running linux that have been hacked
I know of plenty of Linux sites that have had numerous attempted cracks and sucessfully denied them all.
even my security-conscious place full of linux/unix admins was comprimised a couple months ago
Where do you work oh Anonymous Coward?
Linux lost, Linux is to blame.
No, Troll, poor CGI administration caused the crack. A poorly crafted CGI can crack any platform.