This might be the move that forces cryptophones into popular acceptance. How will their cops know that our two streams are VoIP, when we use two random ports, negotiated at an httpd (port 80), and our connections are encrypted to noise?
Um, because they watched you negotiate your media stream link at that port-80 connection?
Under this logic "Why call a region North America when this region is a mere subset of the continent that already has this name? " I would say then that there is ONE continent called America PERIOD. I was taught in school, continents are America, Africa, Asia, Europe, Oceania and Antartica so that's it. Not sure why North/South America if they are obviously the same landmass and you claim history has nothing to do with it.
Not sure what you're getting at here. First, you say that North and South America should be considered a single continent because they are physically linked. Then you insist that Asia, Europe, and Africa are separate continents? What the hell? Have you ever actually seen a world map?
If Africa gets to be a separate continent, then so does South America; the Suez Canal is longer than the Panama Canal. Europe and Asia have no excuse whatsoever and are the same continent by any reasonable definition other than snobbery.
they are mostly US based sites so it could be that you guys split America in two and put the limit in Panama (for whatever reason)
A few years back, the US made a calculation and determined that it was cheaper to dig the Panama Canal than to re-print all those geography textbooks.
And your site is called what? Hm. Haven't heard of it, probably. Wonder why. I don't allow cookies by default. There's no reason every single site should use a cookie. It's like gratuitous javascript. I'm not coming to a website for the cookies. If a site has a legitimate reason for it (Slashdot log in cookies, for example), that's fine. I'm not a paranoid lunatic, but you, sir, are an asshole.
If this is the intensity of your reaction to learning that some Slashdot joker (me) may or may not be requiring cookies on a site you've never heard of and never will, then it's safe to say you are definitely some kind of lunatic, even if not specifically the paranoid kind.
In Europe I would assume the country code is easier to deal with that in the US, since each country could be treated like a US state (almost). It would just be a part of the number like the '1' is a part of the US number. The US international prefix is 011 (?), while most European countries is just 00.
I don't understand this paragraph at all. What is the different between dialing 00 and 011? Americans' fingers get more tired because of the extra button press? It's not a if Europeans dial 00 before calls within Europe and some other longer prefix before calls to darkest Africa.
The US appears to be the only country without calling-party-pays for mobiles
I believe in China, among others, it works as it does in the US.
by 2035 it would be nice that the new 11 or 12 digit numbers makes this all more elegant
By 2035 it will still be the case that most humans aren't able to easily remember sequences longer than about 9 items.
The solution is not going to be longer phone numbers, it's going to be doing away with numbers and replacing them with alphanumeric sequences, or, better yet, something like email addresses that have inherent mnemonic value.
I've heard rumors that Vontage is none too hip to this idea. While the advertise the fact that you can make a call from *anywhere* with an internet connection I've been told they crack down if you use the service too much i.e. if you were to buy a box with a New York number and use it only in London.
You're confused about what pisses Vonage off. They get mad if you use too many minutes on a so-called "unlimited" residential plan. They don't care at all where you use your minutes or where you plug in your box.
Can you do this outside the US or do you need a US billing address?
I live in Asia and I have a US number from Libretel. It costs me $6/month for unlimited incoming calls, and they can be routed to any SIP URL (a FWD number, your own Asterisk box, whatever). Saves my callers a bundle. All I needed was a valid credit card.
I'll laugh my ass off if we try everything we can to warm Mars up and it all fails, proving that our arrogant belief that we can really fuck the Earth up beyond its ability to flush us off its surface and recover, bringing rise to a much more humble species that doesn't try shit like that or think that it can, is flat-out wrong.
I'd settle for replacement by a species that can draft coherent sentences.
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11 in hex is B, but nice try.
Obviously you slept through the lesson in 4th grade where they taught Roman Hexadecimal Numerals.
As I understand it, our fundamental disagreement seems to be this:
You believe that the "natural" or expected condition is that coffee shops don't want you using their electricity, and therefore it is proper to first ask permission.
I believe that the natural condition is that coffee shops don't care, and this is evidenced by the fact that they never object (except in a few cases brought up in this Slashdot topic which were mentioned precisely because of their exceptional variance from the norm), and indeed often make extra outlets available for laptop users. Therefore I believe it's as pointless and even insulting to ask permission to plug in, as it is to ask permission to use the bathroom sink to wash off a coffee stain instead of just washing my hands.
Stealing a penny-candy or stealing a yacht, you're still stealing.
Well, no. The difference between a penny candy and a yacht is that people don't want you taking their yachts, but they will gladly let you have penny candies to keep you as a customer. The penny candies come in the form of fancy scented bathroom soap, free condiments to use while you're consuming their products, and various other amenities that are cheap to provide but make customers happy. They do not generally include yachts though.
The electricity is there because it is needed to heat your coffee, not so you could help yourself to it for whatever you want (without asking, of course).
This would be germane if we had read an article about people going behind the counter and unplugging coffee-making equipment so they could charge their laptops.
However, the article I read was about people using outlets that had been provided in the customer seating area. It was also about how store owners welcomed their use because it made the customers happy.
The simple point I was trying to make is that asking permission to do something is a) courteous, b) correct, c) not that much effort, and d) often appreciated by the person you've asked. I've read several posts bitching about shop owners disapproving of the unconsented use of their electricity. These people would do well to consider that maybe the shop owner isn't the jackass, but rather, they are themselves.
Nope, the shop owner is clearly the jackass. They are turning away business to save a few cents.
Now, I've read other posts about some shops that are taking away outlets because customers who plug in end up hogging tables all day long. That makes good sense to me and I can sympathize with that. However the issue is certainly not about "stealing" electricity but rather about loitering in the shop without making more purchases.
Your arbitrary definition of "reasonable" based on a poll of your friends (hardly a majority justifying the title "most ordinary people") doesn't give you the permission to help yourself to somebody else's resources.
I didn't take a poll of my friends. I read the New York Times article and the entire discussion here.
And even if the majority of people could be convinced you were right, it still doesn't make it so (the public is convinced of quite a lot of falsities these days). The claim that the majority's opinion is always right (because it happens to be beneficial to you at this juncture) is what's called an "appeal to the masses" (also known as a "logical error").
Sorry, you're incorrectly applying the principle there. When the matter under discussion is what the masses find to be appropriate or reasonable, an "appeal to the masses" is precisely the right way to sort it out. There is no factual correct or incorrect answer that can be divined by logic, so discussion of fallacies is specious.
I'll repeat an analogy I've seen elsewhere on this discussion: If you were to water your garden all summer with your neighbour's hose (without asking) then plug your Christmas tree lights into your other neighbour's outlet (again, without asking), how popular do you think you'd be with your neighbours?
That's a stupid analogy. You are not your neighbor's customer.
I'll repeat an analogy I've seen elsewhere in this discussion: If you were to go to a coffee shop and push the button on the hot air dryer in the bathroom one more time than necessary - hence using about 10x more energy than a charging a laptop - do you think anyone would give a rat's ass?
Slashdot is free public news where anyone, anywhere can post their opinion and facts. Sometimes an article can be completely wrong but the people who read it can post facts they've found or their opinions. This can make an article that was false, correct
Ok, fair point. I guess there are two different kinds of trust at play. With the New York Times you are trusting the institution's concern for its own reputation to incentivize accuracy. With Slashdot, you are trusting posters' addiction to the glory of pointing out someone's mistake to incentivize an iterative sort of accuracy. They both work, sometimes. But how to figure out which times are which?
Lots of places (such as airports and train stations) have electric sockets in the floor, for running vacuum cleaners, floor buffers, and the like. I avail myself of these while traveling. Just find a chair near a socket, pry off the cover, and plug in.
That's supposed to be my secret. Also check behind vending machines; often there are two outlets but only one is being used. And clusters of wall-mounted pay phones may have an outlet underneath.
You could say that you would stick to places that do let you, but some places (especially independently owned shops) might not advertise this and so from those it is your duty to ask permission.
It is not your duty (socially, anyway) to ask permission to do things that most ordinary people would consider reasonable. Consent is implicit for things that are generally considered to be reasonable. If you choose to place unreasonable restrictions, it is your obligation to be explicit about them.
If I was a shop owner and I saw you simply plugging in without asking, I'd make you stop.
If you were a shop owner, and you behaved that way, in this or other contexts, you wouldn't be a shop owner for long.
California's gun control has led to high crime rates
Actually, California's gun control is a response to high crime rates that resulted from a lack of sufficient gun control, and it's working.
I'm not going to continue this discussion because it's off-topic and gun control debates never get anywhere, but if you can drop a little grenade in the thread, so can I.
There's a friggin 24/7 coffee shop in MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN but I cannot find *any* here in the goddamn SILICON VALLEY. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.
Happy Donuts at 3916 El Camino Real between Palo Alto and Mountain View has blazing-fast wifi, and extension cords hanging down from the ceiling at intervals along the outside wall. It's wall-to-wall laptops in the evening but you can usually find a space. Open 24-7.
Fuck yea! I agree whole heartily i really don't care about reading news from a site that makes you register only to be put on numerous mailing lists...
I have been a registered New York Times web site user for about 5 years, with a unique email address created specifically for that purpose, and that address has never once received a piece of mail (except for the registration confirmation 5 years ago).
I want unbias news and don't trust a site that will make you login to access it.
What on earth is the connection between editorial bias, and requiring registration to visit a web site? Either you're wholly irrational or you have an enviable gift for sarcasm.
Last time I was on the VIA in Canada from Detriot to Toronto I had a power plug next to me where I sat. It was great, 3 hour train ride, laptop and DVD's (oh and a 802.11 usb wireless suction cupped to the window so I can see how many wireless points I was able to find..
it was great. made the ride really enjoyable.
it seems that catering to your customers is important outside the United States.
A) Did you read the article? It was all about how store owners in the United States welcomed people plugging in because they thought it made their customers happy.
Many people even say 'a visa' instead of the correct singular 'a visum' (visa is also plural). However, most people don't realize this to be incorrect.
Probably because those people are speaking English, where it is correct.
Latin speakers with Roman passports carved from stone tablets have bigger problems to worry about.
Based on my home electric bill, one dollar powers my entire house (air conditioner, refrigerator, 3 computers, lights, electric stove/oven, TV, stereo, DVD player, fans, etc.) for about 5-6 hours.
Sheesh. US$1 pays my electric bill for 6 days. Don't use the AC and don't have an electric stove though.
I most certainly would not be willing to pay one dollar just to charge my phone or computer for an hour, unless I was truly desparate.
Same here. Actually, that's the kind of thing that would drive me to take my business elsewhere even if I had no intention of plugging anything in - it's just insulting. It's like the fast food restaurant that charges 25 cents for a cup of water.
How is that extortion? No one says they *have* to land at that airport. They could fly somewhere else.
Excellent point. If the landing fees at Heathrow are too expensive, there's always Baghdad. Get the passengers drunk enough and they'll never know the difference.
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Um, because they watched you negotiate your media stream link at that port-80 connection?
If it makes you feel better, you can get 512/128 for $10/month in China. Even in some fairly remote areas.
"The internet" is sort of a vague term.
There is huge overcapacity in some places (the USA, transatlantic, etc.) and undercapacity in others.
Not sure what you're getting at here. First, you say that North and South America should be considered a single continent because they are physically linked. Then you insist that Asia, Europe, and Africa are separate continents? What the hell? Have you ever actually seen a world map?
If Africa gets to be a separate continent, then so does South America; the Suez Canal is longer than the Panama Canal. Europe and Asia have no excuse whatsoever and are the same continent by any reasonable definition other than snobbery.
A few years back, the US made a calculation and determined that it was cheaper to dig the Panama Canal than to re-print all those geography textbooks.
Not easily; Vonage uses UDP.
If this is the intensity of your reaction to learning that some Slashdot joker (me) may or may not be requiring cookies on a site you've never heard of and never will, then it's safe to say you are definitely some kind of lunatic, even if not specifically the paranoid kind.
That's why I gratuitously make sure my site requires cookies.
There's no virtue in lunatic paranoia if it doesn't come at a cost, and I'm here to levy that cost.
I don't understand this paragraph at all. What is the different between dialing 00 and 011? Americans' fingers get more tired because of the extra button press? It's not a if Europeans dial 00 before calls within Europe and some other longer prefix before calls to darkest Africa.
I believe in China, among others, it works as it does in the US.
By 2035 it will still be the case that most humans aren't able to easily remember sequences longer than about 9 items.
The solution is not going to be longer phone numbers, it's going to be doing away with numbers and replacing them with alphanumeric sequences, or, better yet, something like email addresses that have inherent mnemonic value.
Thuraya (a satphone company) got one, so it stands to reason you could too if you're willing to play some ITU skin-flute.
You're confused about what pisses Vonage off. They get mad if you use too many minutes on a so-called "unlimited" residential plan. They don't care at all where you use your minutes or where you plug in your box.
I live in Asia and I have a US number from Libretel. It costs me $6/month for unlimited incoming calls, and they can be routed to any SIP URL (a FWD number, your own Asterisk box, whatever). Saves my callers a bundle. All I needed was a valid credit card.
I'd settle for replacement by a species that can draft coherent sentences.
Obviously you slept through the lesson in 4th grade where they taught Roman Hexadecimal Numerals.
As I understand it, our fundamental disagreement seems to be this:
You believe that the "natural" or expected condition is that coffee shops don't want you using their electricity, and therefore it is proper to first ask permission.
I believe that the natural condition is that coffee shops don't care, and this is evidenced by the fact that they never object (except in a few cases brought up in this Slashdot topic which were mentioned precisely because of their exceptional variance from the norm), and indeed often make extra outlets available for laptop users. Therefore I believe it's as pointless and even insulting to ask permission to plug in, as it is to ask permission to use the bathroom sink to wash off a coffee stain instead of just washing my hands.
Well, no. The difference between a penny candy and a yacht is that people don't want you taking their yachts, but they will gladly let you have penny candies to keep you as a customer. The penny candies come in the form of fancy scented bathroom soap, free condiments to use while you're consuming their products, and various other amenities that are cheap to provide but make customers happy. They do not generally include yachts though.
This would be germane if we had read an article about people going behind the counter and unplugging coffee-making equipment so they could charge their laptops.
However, the article I read was about people using outlets that had been provided in the customer seating area. It was also about how store owners welcomed their use because it made the customers happy.
Nope, the shop owner is clearly the jackass. They are turning away business to save a few cents.
Now, I've read other posts about some shops that are taking away outlets because customers who plug in end up hogging tables all day long. That makes good sense to me and I can sympathize with that. However the issue is certainly not about "stealing" electricity but rather about loitering in the shop without making more purchases.
I didn't take a poll of my friends. I read the New York Times article and the entire discussion here.
Sorry, you're incorrectly applying the principle there. When the matter under discussion is what the masses find to be appropriate or reasonable, an "appeal to the masses" is precisely the right way to sort it out. There is no factual correct or incorrect answer that can be divined by logic, so discussion of fallacies is specious.
That's a stupid analogy. You are not your neighbor's customer.
I'll repeat an analogy I've seen elsewhere in this discussion: If you were to go to a coffee shop and push the button on the hot air dryer in the bathroom one more time than necessary - hence using about 10x more energy than a charging a laptop - do you think anyone would give a rat's ass?
Ok, fair point. I guess there are two different kinds of trust at play. With the New York Times you are trusting the institution's concern for its own reputation to incentivize accuracy. With Slashdot, you are trusting posters' addiction to the glory of pointing out someone's mistake to incentivize an iterative sort of accuracy. They both work, sometimes. But how to figure out which times are which?
That's supposed to be my secret. Also check behind vending machines; often there are two outlets but only one is being used. And clusters of wall-mounted pay phones may have an outlet underneath.
It is not your duty (socially, anyway) to ask permission to do things that most ordinary people would consider reasonable. Consent is implicit for things that are generally considered to be reasonable. If you choose to place unreasonable restrictions, it is your obligation to be explicit about them.
If you were a shop owner, and you behaved that way, in this or other contexts, you wouldn't be a shop owner for long.
Actually, California's gun control is a response to high crime rates that resulted from a lack of sufficient gun control, and it's working.
I'm not going to continue this discussion because it's off-topic and gun control debates never get anywhere, but if you can drop a little grenade in the thread, so can I.
Happy Donuts at 3916 El Camino Real between Palo Alto and Mountain View has blazing-fast wifi, and extension cords hanging down from the ceiling at intervals along the outside wall. It's wall-to-wall laptops in the evening but you can usually find a space. Open 24-7.
I have been a registered New York Times web site user for about 5 years, with a unique email address created specifically for that purpose, and that address has never once received a piece of mail (except for the registration confirmation 5 years ago).
What on earth is the connection between editorial bias, and requiring registration to visit a web site? Either you're wholly irrational or you have an enviable gift for sarcasm.
A) Did you read the article? It was all about how store owners in the United States welcomed people plugging in because they thought it made their customers happy.
B) Amtrak has outlets all over the trains.
Probably because those people are speaking English, where it is correct.
Latin speakers with Roman passports carved from stone tablets have bigger problems to worry about.
Sheesh. US$1 pays my electric bill for 6 days. Don't use the AC and don't have an electric stove though.
Same here. Actually, that's the kind of thing that would drive me to take my business elsewhere even if I had no intention of plugging anything in - it's just insulting. It's like the fast food restaurant that charges 25 cents for a cup of water.
Excellent point. If the landing fees at Heathrow are too expensive, there's always Baghdad. Get the passengers drunk enough and they'll never know the difference.