Except that email sent to you will bounce with a message similar to:
"no MX record exists"
whereas if your DNS was up while your mailserver was unreachable, the sending mailserver would spool the message and retry at various intervals until it went thru, with no error messages generated.
If all the DNS servers for your domain are unreachable, then any MTA I know of will consider it a temporary failure and keep trying. This is completely different from successfully performing a DNS query and being told that no MX records exist.
Have you seen the costs of a phone call to some of the islands in the pacific? Or islands offshore of India. I know for a fact that a call to some of the islands in the pacific have charges of $7.50 a minute.
Like where?
I'm looking at the rate sheet for my LD service:
$0.15 American Samoa
$0.61 Antarctica (okay, below the Indian Ocean)
$1.25 Christmas Island
$0.50 Comoros
$0.81 Cook Islands
$1.24 Diego Garcia
$0.49 Fiji
$0.37 French Polynesia
$0.28 Guam
$2.99 Kiribati
$0.73 Maldives
$0.20 Marianas
$0.60 Marshall Islands
$0.42 Mauritius
$0.73 Mayotte
$0.78 Micronesia
$1.09 Nauru
$0.36 New Caledonia
$0.79 Niue
$1.25 Norfolk Islands
$1.08 Palau
$0.32 Reunion
$0.20 Saipan
$0.40 Seychelles
$0.85 St. Helena
$0.45 Tokelau
$0.43 Tonga
$0.78 Tuvalu
$0.70 Vanuatu
$2.14 Wallis & Futuna
$0.41 Western Samoa
The only places where you're paying that sort of money are those that have no local phone system so they have to use satellite phones.
And, is anybody actually doing this? I would not consider running an entire offshore call center over VoIP. The cost of a dedicated network circuit would surely offset the cost of telco communications.
Now this is precisely the sort of application where VoIP does make sense. If you're filling even a moderately-sized pipe with calls a good portion of the time, then the data haul cost is a whole lot cheaper than metered phone rates - even after you throw in infrastructure and maintenance. You don't need a "dedicated network circuit", assuming that vague term means what I assume you mean.
I'd be surprised if there are any overseas call centers that don't use VoIP these days.
Some countries can have ridiculous fees, like $5/min.
You're getting screwed.
I do a lot of international calling to some strange places. The most expensive place I know of is Kiribati (while it lasts) for about $3/min. Afghanistan and Wallis & Futuna follow at $2. After that, it falls off quickly. Most places that people actually call are dirt cheap these days. The only calls that will cost $5 and up are to certain types of satellite phones, and VoIP's not going to help you there.
Using an ordinary service here in the USA with no fees or thresholds I can call dozens of countries for 5 cents a minute or less: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China,
Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy,
Japan, Korea, Lesotho, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Singapore, Spain,
Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, and the United Kingdom.
At those rates, it's not worth the hassle of private VoIP arrangements unless I do huge volume.
I believe that passive shielding deliberately designed to block cells may not be legal
Not a chance in hell it's illegal to enclose your restaurant in a faraday cage. Get real. You think the FCC sends the "Can You Hear Me Now" guy to every corner of your building and if there is any structural metal that interferes with reception, you get hauled off to the klink?
Nothing on earth is more annoying than the Nextel walkie talkie feature. If people used them the way you say it wouldn't be too bad, but morons on the train that have entire conversations on them are more painful than Chinese water torture.
I propose a world wide ban on walkie talkie phones.
That's not necessary. Instead, provide a tiny electric shock to the user the first time they send a message to one person within any 30-minute stretch. Then have the current double with every subsequent message. This way people can use it for important things but won't be tempted to drag it out and annoy the rest of us.
Yes, you're exactly right. I saw this yesterday and I was entirely confused as to why they'd want to weigh themselves down with an AP and battery pack when the Powerbook already does it all.
All I could figure is that they were getting better range with the AP, but they could just connect an external antenna to the Airport card inside the Powerbook.
Is there any particular reason you're being so insulting?
I was standing up for the greater honor of Slashdot, about which you were equally insulting.
You come off as a basement-dwelling, anti-social troll.
This is Slashdot. I get it out of my system here so I can be a lovable cheerful teddy bear in real life. For all you know, we work together, so you ought to be thankful. Heck, maybe I'm your mom. Or even you, during those mysterious blackouts.
The 86 is probably just seen as garbage, as the "x" and the "free" are ranked highly as likely pornographic search terms in its database.
I realize reading one whole paragraph is an awful lot of work, but you might try reading the article sometimes.
It was clearly stated that the search works fine with 85 and 87, generating no error. Or do you have a theory to explain that away too?
All I can guess is that with your head stuck up your ass, the traditional "69" position takes on more of an "86" configration, so for you that seems dirty.
it's entirely plausible for there to be some sort of obscure filesystem where ci\data\datafile.dat is a valid address
Like, for instance, FAT? It's just a relative path. Perfectly legal. Outside the Windows world, we God-fearing folk try to use them all the time, to keep things portable.
I get jobs because when people talk to me about recording they can tell I know my shit, not because I have an associate degree.
Amen.
You still have to get the chance to prove that you know your shit, but it doesn't have to be in a formal interview situation. One shit-knower can usually identify another within a minute or two of technical conversation. And if one is looking for workers, and the other is looking for work, it's just a matter of whether or not the question comes up.
Shredding someone's resume because they got an MCSE is pretty ignorant I might add anyway. Why not shred it if they have a Mexican sounding name, after all.. are Mexicans known for their outstanding tech skills?
Count me among the MCSE-shredders.
I have observed a strong correlation between trumpeting MCSE and being a totally ignorant useless waste of skin, at least at the keyboard.
I have not observed that same correlation with Mexican last names (e.g., de Icaza).
YMMV. There is no need to remind me that there are exceptions; I believe you. When I have 1000 resumes to sift through, a quick filter like that is helpful. No way all 1000 are going to get a full read.
Incredible machine, it is. It's big, sure, but it's worth it.
I agree, it's an excellent printer, from the good old days when things were built to last, but honestly, you have it in your house? It's the size of a kitchen stove.
Actually, OS X has many problems. Let me cite you an example: I was recently in the US visiting relatives, and needed to check my email through a web interface that was in hebrew. In OS X, that's a no go.
Perhaps the version of OSX was out of date, or the site wasn't up to standards? I just tried a bunch of Hebrew sites from OSX 10.3.2 and they were all functional (though I don't read Hebrew, so I could have missed some problems).
I work with Arabic and Farsi under OSX on a regular basis and they work fine.
that such a concept as LINUX and free-software in all its spectrum of variants is becoming the choice of many dictatorial regimes that have no access to the microsoft and apple cadre of products....
Who has no access to Windows? I've been to more than my share of "dictatorial" regimes and Windows was everywhere - even in Syria, where you can't get a can of Coke.
Incidentally, Arabic writes numbers highest-value-to-lowest, left-to-right even though text is written right-to-left. Farsi probably does the same thing.
In Arabic and Farsi, numbers are written lowest value to highest, right to left.
Like most Arab languages, Farsi is written from right to left, not left to right as erronously pointed out.
Iran isn't an Arab language, and Persians (primary ethnic group of Iran) aren't Arabs.
Similarly, people in Iceland use Latin script even though they're not Italian.
The Arabic script is used in other non-Arab countries such as Pakistan and Afghanistan, and in the past had been used in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and I'm sure others. The script had spread along with Islam, but in many places was abandoned during the second half of the 20th century as part of pushes to westernize/modernize.
The certificates basically come free in cereal boxes these days. But for some reason their proud owners still think having rescued a piece of paper from the bottom of a cornflakes box without tearing it too badly represents a major achievement worthy of remuneration. Keep humoring them, they'll figure it out eventually.
If this is true, why is *nix bending over backwards trying to make compatible software and companies not switching over because only Windows can run the software they need?
Because people have invested time and money and brainpower in their current software. If an organization has to throw all that away and start from scratch, that's basically an insurmountable obstacle to transition. It has nothing to do with the relative quality of the products, only with the relative market share.
I recently stayed at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Washington D.C; They've got a nice gig going of charging $10 (or was it 15? I can't remember) for 15 minutes of wired access. Of course, staying there for 4 days, I had no real choice but to connect at least once.
Unless you're doing business right near the Capitol, stay at Jury's Dupont Circle instead. Much better location, and there's free internet (via ethernet) in the rooms.
Might be OK for starbucks to offer free access to folks who buy $4 Mocha's and other items, but what about Johnny Freeloader setting up camp outside their building? And realistically, if you don't think Starbucks is worth $4 a coffe, then you're not a Starbucks customer. If I were a Starbucks VP, I'd be bitching about how our business is selling great coffee, not internet access.
Around here (Washington DC) there are plenty of places where you can pay $4 for a coffee, and plenty where you can use Wifi while you're drinking it. But Starbucks is the only one I know of that makes you pay for access. Therefore, all the laptop people are at the other places - I have never heard of anyone using Wifi at Starbucks.
Meanwhile, while I've also never seen any freeloaders camping outside one of the free-Wifi places using their laptop on the sidewalk (except me, and only briefly), there are definitely a lot of people who park their computer and cell phone at a table and order one tea every 3 hours while doing a day's work, which I can't imagine is that financially rewarding for the cafe. Some of the places are tolerating this during the day when they wouldn't be that crowded otherwise, then turning the lights down and the music up around 5pm to clear out the people who've turned it into their office.
At the one nearest my home, if you arrive after 10am, it's gotten to the point where you have to bring a power strip and re-plug your table-neighbors into it, or there's no chance you'll be able to find a spare AC outlet.
I doubt any of these independent places report stats on usage to anyone, so whenever we read in the newspapers about Wifi access business models, we just hear about Starbucks and its microscopic utilization. But that's definitely not the full picture.
Also, consider it's not terribly hard for IT people to make a living just by running a computer shop. Hell, even if IT people work at Wal-Mart, they'll be taking some of their frustration out in code.
This is pretty off-topic, but Walmart is primarily an IT organization. Their success is entirely attributable to a giant room full of computers that manage their just-in-time sourcing and delivery logistics. The rest is just commodity stuff, largely indistinguishable from any retailer in a similar market position.
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If all the DNS servers for your domain are unreachable, then any MTA I know of will consider it a temporary failure and keep trying. This is completely different from successfully performing a DNS query and being told that no MX records exist.
Like where?
I'm looking at the rate sheet for my LD service:
$0.15 American Samoa
$0.61 Antarctica (okay, below the Indian Ocean)
$1.25 Christmas Island
$0.50 Comoros
$0.81 Cook Islands
$1.24 Diego Garcia
$0.49 Fiji
$0.37 French Polynesia
$0.28 Guam
$2.99 Kiribati
$0.73 Maldives
$0.20 Marianas
$0.60 Marshall Islands
$0.42 Mauritius
$0.73 Mayotte
$0.78 Micronesia
$1.09 Nauru
$0.36 New Caledonia
$0.79 Niue
$1.25 Norfolk Islands
$1.08 Palau
$0.32 Reunion
$0.20 Saipan
$0.40 Seychelles
$0.85 St. Helena
$0.45 Tokelau
$0.43 Tonga
$0.78 Tuvalu
$0.70 Vanuatu
$2.14 Wallis & Futuna
$0.41 Western Samoa
The only places where you're paying that sort of money are those that have no local phone system so they have to use satellite phones.
Now this is precisely the sort of application where VoIP does make sense. If you're filling even a moderately-sized pipe with calls a good portion of the time, then the data haul cost is a whole lot cheaper than metered phone rates - even after you throw in infrastructure and maintenance. You don't need a "dedicated network circuit", assuming that vague term means what I assume you mean.
I'd be surprised if there are any overseas call centers that don't use VoIP these days.
You're getting screwed.
I do a lot of international calling to some strange places. The most expensive place I know of is Kiribati (while it lasts) for about $3/min. Afghanistan and Wallis & Futuna follow at $2. After that, it falls off quickly. Most places that people actually call are dirt cheap these days. The only calls that will cost $5 and up are to certain types of satellite phones, and VoIP's not going to help you there.
Using an ordinary service here in the USA with no fees or thresholds I can call dozens of countries for 5 cents a minute or less: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Lesotho, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, and the United Kingdom.
At those rates, it's not worth the hassle of private VoIP arrangements unless I do huge volume.
Not a chance in hell it's illegal to enclose your restaurant in a faraday cage. Get real. You think the FCC sends the "Can You Hear Me Now" guy to every corner of your building and if there is any structural metal that interferes with reception, you get hauled off to the klink?
That's not necessary. Instead, provide a tiny electric shock to the user the first time they send a message to one person within any 30-minute stretch. Then have the current double with every subsequent message. This way people can use it for important things but won't be tempted to drag it out and annoy the rest of us.
They're all over New York City (at sidewalk level, on the walls above stairways leading into the subway) already. So they are everywhere that matters.
Yes, you're exactly right. I saw this yesterday and I was entirely confused as to why they'd want to weigh themselves down with an AP and battery pack when the Powerbook already does it all.
All I could figure is that they were getting better range with the AP, but they could just connect an external antenna to the Airport card inside the Powerbook.
I was standing up for the greater honor of Slashdot, about which you were equally insulting.
This is Slashdot. I get it out of my system here so I can be a lovable cheerful teddy bear in real life. For all you know, we work together, so you ought to be thankful. Heck, maybe I'm your mom. Or even you, during those mysterious blackouts.
I realize reading one whole paragraph is an awful lot of work, but you might try reading the article sometimes.
It was clearly stated that the search works fine with 85 and 87, generating no error. Or do you have a theory to explain that away too?
All I can guess is that with your head stuck up your ass, the traditional "69" position takes on more of an "86" configration, so for you that seems dirty.
Like, for instance, FAT? It's just a relative path. Perfectly legal. Outside the Windows world, we God-fearing folk try to use them all the time, to keep things portable.
Amen.
You still have to get the chance to prove that you know your shit, but it doesn't have to be in a formal interview situation. One shit-knower can usually identify another within a minute or two of technical conversation. And if one is looking for workers, and the other is looking for work, it's just a matter of whether or not the question comes up.
Make the question come up.
Count me among the MCSE-shredders.
I have observed a strong correlation between trumpeting MCSE and being a totally ignorant useless waste of skin, at least at the keyboard.
I have not observed that same correlation with Mexican last names (e.g., de Icaza).
YMMV. There is no need to remind me that there are exceptions; I believe you. When I have 1000 resumes to sift through, a quick filter like that is helpful. No way all 1000 are going to get a full read.
I agree, it's an excellent printer, from the good old days when things were built to last, but honestly, you have it in your house? It's the size of a kitchen stove.
Perhaps the version of OSX was out of date, or the site wasn't up to standards? I just tried a bunch of Hebrew sites from OSX 10.3.2 and they were all functional (though I don't read Hebrew, so I could have missed some problems).
I work with Arabic and Farsi under OSX on a regular basis and they work fine.
Who has no access to Windows? I've been to more than my share of "dictatorial" regimes and Windows was everywhere - even in Syria, where you can't get a can of Coke.
In Arabic and Farsi, numbers are written lowest value to highest, right to left.
Oops, of course I meant "Farsi isn't an Arab language."
Iran isn't an Arab language, and Persians (primary ethnic group of Iran) aren't Arabs.
Similarly, people in Iceland use Latin script even though they're not Italian.
The Arabic script is used in other non-Arab countries such as Pakistan and Afghanistan, and in the past had been used in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and I'm sure others. The script had spread along with Islam, but in many places was abandoned during the second half of the 20th century as part of pushes to westernize/modernize.
The certificates or the people who hold them?
The certificates basically come free in cereal boxes these days. But for some reason their proud owners still think having rescued a piece of paper from the bottom of a cornflakes box without tearing it too badly represents a major achievement worthy of remuneration. Keep humoring them, they'll figure it out eventually.
Because people have invested time and money and brainpower in their current software. If an organization has to throw all that away and start from scratch, that's basically an insurmountable obstacle to transition. It has nothing to do with the relative quality of the products, only with the relative market share.
If it doesn't have mod_rewrite, you can't run a real web site on it.
Unless you're doing business right near the Capitol, stay at Jury's Dupont Circle instead. Much better location, and there's free internet (via ethernet) in the rooms.
Around here (Washington DC) there are plenty of places where you can pay $4 for a coffee, and plenty where you can use Wifi while you're drinking it. But Starbucks is the only one I know of that makes you pay for access. Therefore, all the laptop people are at the other places - I have never heard of anyone using Wifi at Starbucks.
Meanwhile, while I've also never seen any freeloaders camping outside one of the free-Wifi places using their laptop on the sidewalk (except me, and only briefly), there are definitely a lot of people who park their computer and cell phone at a table and order one tea every 3 hours while doing a day's work, which I can't imagine is that financially rewarding for the cafe. Some of the places are tolerating this during the day when they wouldn't be that crowded otherwise, then turning the lights down and the music up around 5pm to clear out the people who've turned it into their office.
At the one nearest my home, if you arrive after 10am, it's gotten to the point where you have to bring a power strip and re-plug your table-neighbors into it, or there's no chance you'll be able to find a spare AC outlet.
I doubt any of these independent places report stats on usage to anyone, so whenever we read in the newspapers about Wifi access business models, we just hear about Starbucks and its microscopic utilization. But that's definitely not the full picture.
This is pretty off-topic, but Walmart is primarily an IT organization. Their success is entirely attributable to a giant room full of computers that manage their just-in-time sourcing and delivery logistics. The rest is just commodity stuff, largely indistinguishable from any retailer in a similar market position.