Isn't the point here to make manufacturers mindful of making sure the contents match the label? A class action would cost the manufacturer a LOT of money and make it unprofitable to sell stuff that doesn't match the labeling. So what if that means the lawyers get most of the money... Haven't we hit the original goal?
The nutball elements of the far right want no regulation at all.
The nutball left keep saying that ALL of the right want no regulation. Can we stop this please? Because nobody who is RESPONSIBLE wants what you claim, and nobody RESPONSIBLE applies the raving of the nutballs to the whole.
This is NOT a case of needing new regulations, we already HAVE regulations that cover this. What we need is a few class action lawsuits from customers who purchased one thing but got another... Problem will fix itself, eventually.
From one snake oil salesman to another.... Why I sold twelve bottles of Bob's Beautiful Budding Hair Restore/Cold Remedy/Wart remover just yesterday to Bill over there.... Now he has 12 relabeled bottles of Bills Rubbing Liniment/Sunburn Treatment and Hair dye to sell today....
Not true. Nobody has owned a patent on aspirin in my lifetime, but they still make money manufacturing it. You don't need a patent to make money, it helps, but it's not required. If they can isolate the active part of the herb, then they can patent that, or better yet, just get a chemist to synthesize that part... Where it costs money is in the double blind clinical trials which actually *prove* the stuff works without harming the patient and figure out the appropriate dosages.
IF it was effective at, say, treating depression (like some claim St. John's Wart is) the market for such a "natural occurring" substance would be pretty large and justify the cost of doing the chemistry and performing the trials. Even if you could prove the herb itself had some positive effects it would be a promising lead and likely draw attention and $$ to get it developed and into trials. But no...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that of the known supplements which purport to be useful in treating something (at least in popular mythology) almost none of them have any provable positive affect beyond placebo. And the ones which have provable benefits will have dire side effects when taken at levels required to actually treat something effectively...
If you don't agree, then I suggest you prove me wrong by arranging the necessary clinical trials.
But the Republican/Libertarian said regulation is bad!
Nope...That's NOT what they say.
The ones I hear talking about this say that government and regulation should be as SMALL as possible; that OVER REGULATION and large government is bad.
There is a MAJOR difference between what they actually say and what you claim they say.
It's not like these things actually *do* anything more than a placebo in the first place. Just ask the FDA about that. Pack'em with powdered sugar and sell sell sell. If there was *any* hope that this herb could treat that sickness where money could be made selling it, big pharma would have snapped it up and sold it under FDA rules as a drug, even over the counter. But no, they think herbal medicine is somehow slipping between the cracks with doctors and the FDA aligned to stomp out all this homeopathic, herbal nonsense and keep you from getting something that can only help you... Right...
And now people are complaining because somebody sold them something else in their herbal supplements? Cry me a river.. Don't be duped on this kind of "snake oil" science, don't buy this stuff. Especially don't buy this stuff at discount retailers where Quality Control is defined by how much shoplifting doesn't go on...Whacha think is going to happen when you buy that "supplement" at half the street price?
I'd like to point out that the "gift blankets" you speak of where really given in good faith in an effort to help. (Assuming you where referring to the American Indians being given blankets). They where NOT intended to spread illnesses.... But other than that, what makes you think we are NOT already fighting over the moon's resources even though nobody can actually get there right now, much less hope to return anything of commercial value from there?
None of that stuff was ever on clearance when the place was closing. They stuck sale tags on everything and kept prices the same. Every store does this.
Not exactly true. I purchased some stuff in the last two weeks that was actually marked down at Circuit City, Same at CompUSA. But you have to know the going street price of something, be willing to wait for them to mark it down and be standing there when they do.
Personally, there isn't anything at Radio Shack that would make me want to hang out there to wait for the sale...
Went to one just a few weeks ago looking for volt meter....it was just pethetic looking in the store. Like almost no stock of anything DYI related. Sad....
Don't go to Radio Shack for a volt meter. You can get better volt meters from Harbor Freight... Usually for free with coupon. (I know I have a drawer full of unopened meters from them.) Unless you want one that's accurate, then hit up E-Bay for a fluke...
Actually, don't go to RS for even a cell phone, unless you already know exactly what you want and they can make you the best deal on it (unlikely).....
If they still sold components, I'd mourn their loss. Since they don't, I'm not sure I'll be shedding any tears.
They do, they just make them really hard to find and the selection is pretty much worthless if you need much beyond a 1/4 watt carbon resistor or a basic connector. I think they carry 2n222's and a compatible PNP transistor but they are crap with 1 in 10 with enough current gain to actually work. They have a few outdated op-amps and on or two 74000 chips last time I looked. All the interesting stuff disappeared long ago and what's left usually doesn't meet specs. (I've had to throw away over half the resisters for being out of spec last time I got them there). Buy at DigKey or something, you will save money in the long run.
I'm NOT feeling bad they are closing up shop persay. I feel bad for the people who will lose jobs and for the creditors, but I won't miss the stores..
Time to board up that Shack and go home. Where once you excelled as a mail order company, you have fallen victim to E-Bay, mail order and big box stores, not to mention your own hubris. How long did you think you could charge outrageous prices for that substandard product to the hobbyist? I can get cheaper cables from Amazon and electronic parts from Dig-Key (and others) in just a few days, and I won't have to throw out 60% of the parts for being out of spec.
It's been a fine run, right up to the part where your customers left you and you started to try pump the bilge water selling Cell phones and overpriced accessories of all things... Say WoHo for the bean counters and MBAs who did you and Circuit City the same...
Is to offer good pay and equity stake in the outcome of your idea.
Other than that, think about what you are asking of an engineer.
1. Sign up to work on YOUR idea.
2. Sign up to work long hours with little time off to meet your schedule.
3. Sign up to work for low and non-advancing wages, at least until the idea pays off, if it ever does.
4. Sign up with a company with an obviously shaky future where they can get canned at a moment's notice when you run out of money..
You might find the risk taking young engineer willing to buy into this kind of thing, but to find the experience and skills you really need to make things work, you are going to need some seasoned help. It's the seasoned help that will be the hardest to sell and thus the hardest to find and pay, but you only need a few of those. After that it's the young smart bucks for no bucks you need...
My suggestion is to be ready to pay handsomely for the seasoned engineers and sell them on the idea first. Guarantee their employment up front by contract for the expected development time. Then let them plan the project and hire the young bucks for you. If you can offer stock options or equity stakes great, but if your investors won't let you, pay what you can. Then treat your employees like family and hope you finish before the money runs out.
I can do that too.... Might take awhile, cost a lot and require disassembly of the device to get to the flash, but if the data is there, there is a way to get access to it. There are devices that "self destruct" when disassembled but I know of no commonly used cell phones with that feature.
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Isn't the point here to make manufacturers mindful of making sure the contents match the label? A class action would cost the manufacturer a LOT of money and make it unprofitable to sell stuff that doesn't match the labeling. So what if that means the lawyers get most of the money... Haven't we hit the original goal?
Yet companies other than Bayer make the stuff.... You can make a living making drugs w/o a patent is my point.
The nutball elements of the far right want no regulation at all.
The nutball left keep saying that ALL of the right want no regulation. Can we stop this please? Because nobody who is RESPONSIBLE wants what you claim, and nobody RESPONSIBLE applies the raving of the nutballs to the whole.
Where does that leave you and me?
Not true, see my reply to another poster above..
This is NOT a case of needing new regulations, we already HAVE regulations that cover this. What we need is a few class action lawsuits from customers who purchased one thing but got another... Problem will fix itself, eventually.
Yea, but somebody died..... I'm not laughing..
(peers closely at bottle) ...are you saying that this isn't GENUINE snake oil?
No, but THIS is better than snake oil.. This is ANACONDA oil....
From one snake oil salesman to another.... Why I sold twelve bottles of Bob's Beautiful Budding Hair Restore/Cold Remedy/Wart remover just yesterday to Bill over there.... Now he has 12 relabeled bottles of Bills Rubbing Liniment/Sunburn Treatment and Hair dye to sell today....
There is no honor among thieves...
Not true. Nobody has owned a patent on aspirin in my lifetime, but they still make money manufacturing it. You don't need a patent to make money, it helps, but it's not required. If they can isolate the active part of the herb, then they can patent that, or better yet, just get a chemist to synthesize that part... Where it costs money is in the double blind clinical trials which actually *prove* the stuff works without harming the patient and figure out the appropriate dosages.
IF it was effective at, say, treating depression (like some claim St. John's Wart is) the market for such a "natural occurring" substance would be pretty large and justify the cost of doing the chemistry and performing the trials. Even if you could prove the herb itself had some positive effects it would be a promising lead and likely draw attention and $$ to get it developed and into trials. But no...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that of the known supplements which purport to be useful in treating something (at least in popular mythology) almost none of them have any provable positive affect beyond placebo. And the ones which have provable benefits will have dire side effects when taken at levels required to actually treat something effectively...
If you don't agree, then I suggest you prove me wrong by arranging the necessary clinical trials.
Wait a min... I've seen Caffeine listed in the "Active ingredient" list of some headache medications, which means it is being sold as a drug....
But the Republican/Libertarian said regulation is bad!
Nope...That's NOT what they say.
The ones I hear talking about this say that government and regulation should be as SMALL as possible; that OVER REGULATION and large government is bad.
There is a MAJOR difference between what they actually say and what you claim they say.
It's not like these things actually *do* anything more than a placebo in the first place. Just ask the FDA about that. Pack'em with powdered sugar and sell sell sell. If there was *any* hope that this herb could treat that sickness where money could be made selling it, big pharma would have snapped it up and sold it under FDA rules as a drug, even over the counter. But no, they think herbal medicine is somehow slipping between the cracks with doctors and the FDA aligned to stomp out all this homeopathic, herbal nonsense and keep you from getting something that can only help you... Right...
And now people are complaining because somebody sold them something else in their herbal supplements? Cry me a river.. Don't be duped on this kind of "snake oil" science, don't buy this stuff. Especially don't buy this stuff at discount retailers where Quality Control is defined by how much shoplifting doesn't go on...Whacha think is going to happen when you buy that "supplement" at half the street price?
I'd like to point out that the "gift blankets" you speak of where really given in good faith in an effort to help. (Assuming you where referring to the American Indians being given blankets). They where NOT intended to spread illnesses.... But other than that, what makes you think we are NOT already fighting over the moon's resources even though nobody can actually get there right now, much less hope to return anything of commercial value from there?
None of that stuff was ever on clearance when the place was closing. They stuck sale tags on everything and kept prices the same. Every store does this.
Not exactly true. I purchased some stuff in the last two weeks that was actually marked down at Circuit City, Same at CompUSA. But you have to know the going street price of something, be willing to wait for them to mark it down and be standing there when they do.
Personally, there isn't anything at Radio Shack that would make me want to hang out there to wait for the sale...
So, nothing changes except they wall off the back 1/3rd of the store?
Went to one just a few weeks ago looking for volt meter....it was just pethetic looking in the store. Like almost no stock of anything DYI related. Sad....
Don't go to Radio Shack for a volt meter. You can get better volt meters from Harbor Freight... Usually for free with coupon. (I know I have a drawer full of unopened meters from them.) Unless you want one that's accurate, then hit up E-Bay for a fluke...
Actually, don't go to RS for even a cell phone, unless you already know exactly what you want and they can make you the best deal on it (unlikely).....
If they still sold components, I'd mourn their loss. Since they don't, I'm not sure I'll be shedding any tears.
They do, they just make them really hard to find and the selection is pretty much worthless if you need much beyond a 1/4 watt carbon resistor or a basic connector. I think they carry 2n222's and a compatible PNP transistor but they are crap with 1 in 10 with enough current gain to actually work. They have a few outdated op-amps and on or two 74000 chips last time I looked. All the interesting stuff disappeared long ago and what's left usually doesn't meet specs. (I've had to throw away over half the resisters for being out of spec last time I got them there). Buy at DigKey or something, you will save money in the long run.
I'm NOT feeling bad they are closing up shop persay. I feel bad for the people who will lose jobs and for the creditors, but I won't miss the stores..
Time to board up that Shack and go home. Where once you excelled as a mail order company, you have fallen victim to E-Bay, mail order and big box stores, not to mention your own hubris. How long did you think you could charge outrageous prices for that substandard product to the hobbyist? I can get cheaper cables from Amazon and electronic parts from Dig-Key (and others) in just a few days, and I won't have to throw out 60% of the parts for being out of spec.
It's been a fine run, right up to the part where your customers left you and you started to try pump the bilge water selling Cell phones and overpriced accessories of all things... Say WoHo for the bean counters and MBAs who did you and Circuit City the same...
Is to offer good pay and equity stake in the outcome of your idea.
Other than that, think about what you are asking of an engineer.
1. Sign up to work on YOUR idea.
2. Sign up to work long hours with little time off to meet your schedule.
3. Sign up to work for low and non-advancing wages, at least until the idea pays off, if it ever does.
4. Sign up with a company with an obviously shaky future where they can get canned at a moment's notice when you run out of money..
You might find the risk taking young engineer willing to buy into this kind of thing, but to find the experience and skills you really need to make things work, you are going to need some seasoned help. It's the seasoned help that will be the hardest to sell and thus the hardest to find and pay, but you only need a few of those. After that it's the young smart bucks for no bucks you need...
My suggestion is to be ready to pay handsomely for the seasoned engineers and sell them on the idea first. Guarantee their employment up front by contract for the expected development time. Then let them plan the project and hire the young bucks for you. If you can offer stock options or equity stakes great, but if your investors won't let you, pay what you can. Then treat your employees like family and hope you finish before the money runs out.
I cannot believe I have to explain this OLD joke.. Unix == Eunuchs at least in how they sound.
The porn will get 'em every time. An exploit that is very difficult to patch without employing a most unpalatable procedure.
You mean using Unix?
It's always a woman's fault.
Even in Eden this wasn't true, Adam knew what he was doing was wrong. Human nature has not changed since then.
It's called a swamp cooler and apart from being printed in a 3D printer there is NOTHING new to see here.
What's next? You going to 3D print a gun? Oh wait... Already done..
3D print joint replacements? That doo.
3D print...
What's next, make it available for people who want to pay in BitCoin?
What passes as advanced technology sometimes amazes me...
A four engine plane will land on no engines.
Yes it will, but the more engines you have still running, the more options you have about exactly WHERE you land.
I can do that too.... Might take awhile, cost a lot and require disassembly of the device to get to the flash, but if the data is there, there is a way to get access to it. There are devices that "self destruct" when disassembled but I know of no commonly used cell phones with that feature.