did you upfront pay for your iphone or are you paying the monthly fee to lease it?
ban iphone posting and ban iphone posters. this is a lunux enthusiast website
In my case, the out of pocket was the same exact cost as financing it. AT&T charges you exactly the same amount for the phone paying up front as Apple does paying up front as their various "financing" options. So, in this case, I take the zero cost financing. Not because I cannot pay up front, but because it doesn't cost me a dime to buy on time and I can invest the money for profit.
However, I don't buy on time except for houses and sometimes cars.
In this case, being poor just means you need to plan a bit better. If you have to have Amazon, stuff $10/month into the mattress and then send it to Amazon in 10 moths. Cannot afford that? You cannot afford Amazon Prime anyway so why are you complaining about this?
LOL... Well, I guess we know why we had to fight that war with King George back in 1776 don't we... Us and the French sent you guys packing and it's worked out pretty well since, with the USA rising to be the single dominate world power and the UK falling from that position ending up way down on the list in 200 or so years.
I actually believe you think your system is better, which is fine with me if you think that. For the USA, our system actually works, and has for a lot longer than yours, which has undergone a couple of overhauls since the 1700's if what I remember of history is correct. If you like your current system better, great, stay in the UK and enjoy it, but I like my country's system better so I'll stay here.
You still think you have two distinct parties in the US?
What I wonder about is why Americans think having two parties is normal and not to be questioned.
The UK currently has 6 parties in it's parliament, and the tiny little country I live in, of only 4 million people, currently has 5 parties represented.
Until recently we had as many as 8 parties but apparently the US, a country of 320,000,000 agree with each other to the extent that they only need two parties.
Of course no-one does propaganda quite like the US.
We have a totally different form of government too.. We don't have a parliament. We are a representative republic.
Our framers pretty much set things up this way at the federal level in a way that favors two parties and we've basically been working this way for 230 years now. I'm not surprised that folks on the other side of the pond don't get how this works, most Americans don't quite understand it either. But it's set up for two parities. Now the parities HAVE changed a few times. It's not always been Democrat and Republican.
Remember the ultra LEFT is basically those who supported the socialist Bernie Sanders, who took a significant number of delegates from Hillary. These are the "Occupy Wall Street anarchists" and it's a big group that gives lip service to their views within the democratic party. This group is a problem. They are loud, they are motivated and they've been given tacit support by a LOT of the party which is a problem.
Look at the top three republican runners up.. Ted Cruz is a constitutional constructionist constitutive like the next two, who together took more delegates than Trump. These guys are the Tea Party, NRA and the like.
Nobody takes the Nazis, given they are neither politically right or left but crazy sodalists (socialists is in their name) though one could argue they belong behind Sanders more than any other candidate though they generally choose to run their own candidates. But my point is, nobody takes the few thousand of them and gives them even tacit lip service because they don't have any political power. I was taking exception to their being labeled "ultra right wing" when they are literally just crazy wackos with reprehensible views which have nothing to do with the political right of the republican party.
I believe a secondary goal was to simplify many people's taxes by eliminating the need to itemize deductions. By doing this they've pushed a boatload of folks onto the 1040EZ from the long form, reducing their costs to file and the IRS's costs to process.
LOL.. Yea, it's more like four, but they are divided into two nearly equal groups we call Republicans and Democrats.
There is the crazy ultra left which is about half of the democratic party and the bewildered left who are convinced by the rhetoric on the left, but don't really understand what all the hubbub is about. There is then the hard right folks, the strict constructionists and bill of rights type (think NRA and Tea Party, not the so called Neo-Nazis idiots) which constitutes a bit more than half of the right and the bewildered republicans nearer the middle who are similar to the left's moderates, wondering what those guys to their right are complaining about.
The middle rules, but the parties are polarized by their fringes, the left more so I think. So, in that regard there are two parties, with two factions in each..
I actually do think they are governed by the law. The issue is open enforcement though.
It's kind of hard to openly enforce laws within an organization that at it's heart is based on being secret. This means that it is very possible that they actually DO enforce the laws, but it isn't reported because it would disclose information best kept secret. So it's at least possible they are trying to follow the law, but just cannot talk about it.
Your mileage may vary... But as always, conspiracy theories thrive where information is lacking, so be careful...
Now you all can say the buck stops with the president.... I'm guessing he's going to sign it so get ready to blast away....
All you who voted democratic though, remember that many in your party voted for this in the Senate... You might want to hold your Senator responsible if yours voted for this...In fact, PLEASE do that...;)
No, it's going to be a net gain for me and I file with itemized deductions now, and will next year too.
It's a net gain for you too, but not until you get to the calculated tax part, where your marginal rate went down but unless you tell us what your AGI is, it's hard to quantify what your gain will be.
That's just it.. Making an IPhone doesn't have to be labor intensive. In China it makes sense to hand assemble because labor costs are so low and automation is expensive in comparison. However, in Wisconsin, I suspect that they will build a highly automated production line, removing the labor variable and reducing Apple's risk of having to pay higher and higher labor rates in China and overcoming the shipping delays and risk of IP exposure in China.
My guess is that Apple may whish to move the bulk of their manufacturing of long term products onshore because they also see that the economics of building stuff in China is starting to look less and less favorable than it once was and China is pretty much the last bastion of cheap labor in stable countries going out there. With the new tax rates I'm guessing that this just speeds this process of coming back onshore.
NDA's? What's wrong with that? They likely signed such documents when they STARTED there not when they get shown the door. Nothing wrong with NDA's. I think you are talking about Non-competes, which in the case of Apple's employees in California, don't apply because the local California courts won't enforce them.
My libby brother did this with me just yesterday.. Claimed that the stores that Sam's was closing was putting folks out of work, so Walmart's bonus and raise plan didn't show the tax plan was working....
How did this idiot come from the same gene pool as me? Must have been a bad mutation..
What about the Assembly line employees in Wisconsin... Oh that's RIGHT, they don't exist YET, but I hear they will.
Isn't Apple planning to bring a pile of cash home and set up a manufacturing facility in the states? Thought I saw that in the news today. If that's true, my guess is the Chinese contractors will be phased out and their employees cut loose for the state to support. Not good for China, but great for the US..
You know they will *try* to make that claim. I've already heard a number of attempts to do this.
Crazy campaign season rapidly approaches. You can pretty much bet that what ever the politicians are saying is about votes and not the truth. This year will be worse than most because of the polarized political reality and visceral hate for one side by the other.
So, you somehow think we can just cut over to "green" and the resulting cost and economic impacts be dammed?
Name the cost and economic impacts of the move I described.
There isn't enough capacity for diesel fuel production from things like algae like you suggested and it is more expensive by multiple times. If we suddenly have $8.00/gal diesel fuel costs, it's going to be a HUGE shock to the economy which pretty much depends on diesel fuel to transport goods. Yes, biodiesel isn't $8/gal now, but if you just yank fossil fuels off the market, it will be every bit of that and more overnight.
There is also the farce that moving to electric cars is somehow better for the environment. Where do you think the power comes from to charge all those batteries? (Can we say fossil fuels supply the majority of this?) The fastest growing portion of the USA's electrical production is from Natural Gas...
So, you somehow think we can just cut over to "green" and the resulting cost and economic impacts be dammed? Don't be stupid. Take what you can easily get. Once you have that, THEN make your case for the next incremental step. Avoid the adverse economic impacts happening all at once and you are more likely to actually make progress.
Actually, Natural Gas is only a temporary solution, no matter how you slice it. I'm just suggesting that it might be a good sort term solution as a viable motor fuel that would give us better emissions for the same work with a minimum of fuss and trouble.
We have? Many areas struggle at various times of year to meet EPA 2.5 particle standards. If actually as effective as this claims the Wasatch front area of Utah, which is in a bowl that traps pollutants via inversions between storms every winter, would greatly benefit from this, as would the LA area with it's smog issues. We have cleaned up many of the pollution problems but 2.5 particulate pollution is still a very substantial problem.
As you point out, we are not perfect.. However, as you indicate, things are MUCH better than the 70's because we have made huge strides. My point here is that China isn't reducing the problem at it's source, where it is the most effective and cheapest to fix.
TPLink recommends you buy a better router than what they sell..
Seriously? A hundred thousand packets over the radio causes it to crash? Toss that trash in the trash.
If your hardware cannot handle the media speed of a radio link, how are you going to handle 100BaseT much less a gigabit link? I'd say TPLink is trying to cast blame on something else to hide their failure.
No Pay no attention to the device that actually failed in this scenario.. It was the evil Google device that sent us to many packets.... (smoke and flames rising up) Pay no attention to the fact that your evil Google device is still running and the nice, inexpensive and valuable TPLink router just crashed and burned...
LOL, that router is trash anyway... They released the firmware update to fix the LAST firmware update that the had to pull because it totally hosed up the router beyond reasonable recovery. Seems the radio has some major issues and all their attempts to fix it thus far have failed.
How do I know this? Because I have one, collecting dust, because I got tired of having to factory reset the thing every few hours to get it working again. You could make it last a bit longer if you turned off literally EVERYTHING you don't absolutely need, including IPV6, prioritization and certainly the VPM stuff, but even running stripped of all but the essentials I'd get a day or two out of it before it was time to factory reset again.
Horrible router.. Get ANYTHING other than the Linksys WRT3200ACM.... Seriously, the WRT1900 is even better..
So they release ANOTHER firmware load? Does this one actually work? I'd love to dust off mine and actually use it for more than a paperweight.
Properly pre-processed, such pollutants are extremely limited compared to coal or liquid fuels.
For example... Sulfur dioxide from coal is 2.591 lbs/MMBtu where natural gas emits 0.001, Nitrogen oxides are reduced from 0.457 to 0.092, and where coal emits 0.000016 of mercury, natural gas emits none. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Natural Gas also emits less CO2 than coal. So all around it's a winning choice until other sources of energy come on line.
Personally, I would advocate that we use it instead of diesel and gasoline as a motor fuel because of this reduction in emissions as it is able to be used in *existing* internal combustion engines with little modification and we in the USA have a bunch of Natural Gas...
This level of both technology and organization of it is beyond the capability of probably all Western nations now.
Right... Actually we in the western industrialized world do this at the actual emission point instead of dumping it into the air and then filtering it out... We've got scrubbers on our Coal burning plants, emissions controls on our cars and trucks and strict controls on all sorts of things that cause air pollution. We've done a really good job of this actually, and our air quality has vastly improved since we got really serious about it in the 70's..
You remember that VW emissions issue? What do you think this was all about? We've got laws for this, and we enforce them.
This isn't some technological marvel.. It's a desperate attempt at putting a Band-Aid on a huge emissions problem that they really cannot afford to fix the right way....
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did you upfront pay for your iphone or are you paying the monthly fee to lease it? ban iphone posting and ban iphone posters. this is a lunux enthusiast website
In my case, the out of pocket was the same exact cost as financing it. AT&T charges you exactly the same amount for the phone paying up front as Apple does paying up front as their various "financing" options. So, in this case, I take the zero cost financing. Not because I cannot pay up front, but because it doesn't cost me a dime to buy on time and I can invest the money for profit.
However, I don't buy on time except for houses and sometimes cars.
Being poor is expensive.
In this case, being poor just means you need to plan a bit better. If you have to have Amazon, stuff $10/month into the mattress and then send it to Amazon in 10 moths. Cannot afford that? You cannot afford Amazon Prime anyway so why are you complaining about this?
LOL... Well, I guess we know why we had to fight that war with King George back in 1776 don't we... Us and the French sent you guys packing and it's worked out pretty well since, with the USA rising to be the single dominate world power and the UK falling from that position ending up way down on the list in 200 or so years.
I actually believe you think your system is better, which is fine with me if you think that. For the USA, our system actually works, and has for a lot longer than yours, which has undergone a couple of overhauls since the 1700's if what I remember of history is correct. If you like your current system better, great, stay in the UK and enjoy it, but I like my country's system better so I'll stay here.
You still think you have two distinct parties in the US?
What I wonder about is why Americans think having two parties is normal and not to be questioned.
The UK currently has 6 parties in it's parliament, and the tiny little country I live in, of only 4 million people, currently has 5 parties represented. Until recently we had as many as 8 parties but apparently the US, a country of 320,000,000 agree with each other to the extent that they only need two parties. Of course no-one does propaganda quite like the US.
We have a totally different form of government too.. We don't have a parliament. We are a representative republic.
Our framers pretty much set things up this way at the federal level in a way that favors two parties and we've basically been working this way for 230 years now. I'm not surprised that folks on the other side of the pond don't get how this works, most Americans don't quite understand it either. But it's set up for two parities. Now the parities HAVE changed a few times. It's not always been Democrat and Republican.
Convenient? No just true.
Remember the ultra LEFT is basically those who supported the socialist Bernie Sanders, who took a significant number of delegates from Hillary. These are the "Occupy Wall Street anarchists" and it's a big group that gives lip service to their views within the democratic party. This group is a problem. They are loud, they are motivated and they've been given tacit support by a LOT of the party which is a problem.
Look at the top three republican runners up.. Ted Cruz is a constitutional constructionist constitutive like the next two, who together took more delegates than Trump. These guys are the Tea Party, NRA and the like.
Nobody takes the Nazis, given they are neither politically right or left but crazy sodalists (socialists is in their name) though one could argue they belong behind Sanders more than any other candidate though they generally choose to run their own candidates. But my point is, nobody takes the few thousand of them and gives them even tacit lip service because they don't have any political power. I was taking exception to their being labeled "ultra right wing" when they are literally just crazy wackos with reprehensible views which have nothing to do with the political right of the republican party.
But I'm betting you already know this..
Got it.. I think this was "as designed".
I believe a secondary goal was to simplify many people's taxes by eliminating the need to itemize deductions. By doing this they've pushed a boatload of folks onto the 1040EZ from the long form, reducing their costs to file and the IRS's costs to process.
Yet... He's yet to see consequences... I'm hearing rumors that some really smelly stuff is about ready to hit the fan in this area so stand by...
LOL.. Yea, it's more like four, but they are divided into two nearly equal groups we call Republicans and Democrats.
There is the crazy ultra left which is about half of the democratic party and the bewildered left who are convinced by the rhetoric on the left, but don't really understand what all the hubbub is about. There is then the hard right folks, the strict constructionists and bill of rights type (think NRA and Tea Party, not the so called Neo-Nazis idiots) which constitutes a bit more than half of the right and the bewildered republicans nearer the middle who are similar to the left's moderates, wondering what those guys to their right are complaining about.
The middle rules, but the parties are polarized by their fringes, the left more so I think. So, in that regard there are two parties, with two factions in each..
I actually do think they are governed by the law. The issue is open enforcement though.
It's kind of hard to openly enforce laws within an organization that at it's heart is based on being secret. This means that it is very possible that they actually DO enforce the laws, but it isn't reported because it would disclose information best kept secret. So it's at least possible they are trying to follow the law, but just cannot talk about it.
Your mileage may vary... But as always, conspiracy theories thrive where information is lacking, so be careful...
Now you all can say the buck stops with the president.... I'm guessing he's going to sign it so get ready to blast away....
All you who voted democratic though, remember that many in your party voted for this in the Senate... You might want to hold your Senator responsible if yours voted for this...In fact, PLEASE do that... ;)
No, it's going to be a net gain for me and I file with itemized deductions now, and will next year too.
It's a net gain for you too, but not until you get to the calculated tax part, where your marginal rate went down but unless you tell us what your AGI is, it's hard to quantify what your gain will be.
That's just it.. Making an IPhone doesn't have to be labor intensive. In China it makes sense to hand assemble because labor costs are so low and automation is expensive in comparison. However, in Wisconsin, I suspect that they will build a highly automated production line, removing the labor variable and reducing Apple's risk of having to pay higher and higher labor rates in China and overcoming the shipping delays and risk of IP exposure in China.
My guess is that Apple may whish to move the bulk of their manufacturing of long term products onshore because they also see that the economics of building stuff in China is starting to look less and less favorable than it once was and China is pretty much the last bastion of cheap labor in stable countries going out there. With the new tax rates I'm guessing that this just speeds this process of coming back onshore.
NDA's? What's wrong with that? They likely signed such documents when they STARTED there not when they get shown the door. Nothing wrong with NDA's. I think you are talking about Non-competes, which in the case of Apple's employees in California, don't apply because the local California courts won't enforce them.
My libby brother did this with me just yesterday.. Claimed that the stores that Sam's was closing was putting folks out of work, so Walmart's bonus and raise plan didn't show the tax plan was working....
How did this idiot come from the same gene pool as me? Must have been a bad mutation..
What about the Assembly line employees in Wisconsin... Oh that's RIGHT, they don't exist YET, but I hear they will.
Isn't Apple planning to bring a pile of cash home and set up a manufacturing facility in the states? Thought I saw that in the news today. If that's true, my guess is the Chinese contractors will be phased out and their employees cut loose for the state to support. Not good for China, but great for the US..
Don't fool yourself. Apple is in this for Apple's profits, not for republicans, democrats or even you, except where they can dip into your wallet.
You know they will *try* to make that claim. I've already heard a number of attempts to do this.
Crazy campaign season rapidly approaches. You can pretty much bet that what ever the politicians are saying is about votes and not the truth. This year will be worse than most because of the polarized political reality and visceral hate for one side by the other.
Environmental stupidity on display...
Thanks for the warning, sport.
So, you somehow think we can just cut over to "green" and the resulting cost and economic impacts be dammed?
Name the cost and economic impacts of the move I described.
There isn't enough capacity for diesel fuel production from things like algae like you suggested and it is more expensive by multiple times. If we suddenly have $8.00/gal diesel fuel costs, it's going to be a HUGE shock to the economy which pretty much depends on diesel fuel to transport goods. Yes, biodiesel isn't $8/gal now, but if you just yank fossil fuels off the market, it will be every bit of that and more overnight.
There is also the farce that moving to electric cars is somehow better for the environment. Where do you think the power comes from to charge all those batteries? (Can we say fossil fuels supply the majority of this?) The fastest growing portion of the USA's electrical production is from Natural Gas...
Get the picture yet?
Environmental stupidity on display...
So, you somehow think we can just cut over to "green" and the resulting cost and economic impacts be dammed? Don't be stupid. Take what you can easily get. Once you have that, THEN make your case for the next incremental step. Avoid the adverse economic impacts happening all at once and you are more likely to actually make progress.
Why not?
Actually, Natural Gas is only a temporary solution, no matter how you slice it. I'm just suggesting that it might be a good sort term solution as a viable motor fuel that would give us better emissions for the same work with a minimum of fuss and trouble.
We have? Many areas struggle at various times of year to meet EPA 2.5 particle standards. If actually as effective as this claims the Wasatch front area of Utah, which is in a bowl that traps pollutants via inversions between storms every winter, would greatly benefit from this, as would the LA area with it's smog issues. We have cleaned up many of the pollution problems but 2.5 particulate pollution is still a very substantial problem.
As you point out, we are not perfect.. However, as you indicate, things are MUCH better than the 70's because we have made huge strides. My point here is that China isn't reducing the problem at it's source, where it is the most effective and cheapest to fix.
TPLink recommends you buy a better router than what they sell..
Seriously? A hundred thousand packets over the radio causes it to crash? Toss that trash in the trash.
If your hardware cannot handle the media speed of a radio link, how are you going to handle 100BaseT much less a gigabit link? I'd say TPLink is trying to cast blame on something else to hide their failure.
No Pay no attention to the device that actually failed in this scenario.. It was the evil Google device that sent us to many packets.... (smoke and flames rising up) Pay no attention to the fact that your evil Google device is still running and the nice, inexpensive and valuable TPLink router just crashed and burned...
LOL, that router is trash anyway... They released the firmware update to fix the LAST firmware update that the had to pull because it totally hosed up the router beyond reasonable recovery. Seems the radio has some major issues and all their attempts to fix it thus far have failed.
How do I know this? Because I have one, collecting dust, because I got tired of having to factory reset the thing every few hours to get it working again. You could make it last a bit longer if you turned off literally EVERYTHING you don't absolutely need, including IPV6, prioritization and certainly the VPM stuff, but even running stripped of all but the essentials I'd get a day or two out of it before it was time to factory reset again.
Horrible router.. Get ANYTHING other than the Linksys WRT3200ACM.... Seriously, the WRT1900 is even better..
So they release ANOTHER firmware load? Does this one actually work? I'd love to dust off mine and actually use it for more than a paperweight.
Properly pre-processed, such pollutants are extremely limited compared to coal or liquid fuels.
For example... Sulfur dioxide from coal is 2.591 lbs/MMBtu where natural gas emits 0.001, Nitrogen oxides are reduced from 0.457 to 0.092, and where coal emits 0.000016 of mercury, natural gas emits none. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Natural Gas also emits less CO2 than coal. So all around it's a winning choice until other sources of energy come on line.
Personally, I would advocate that we use it instead of diesel and gasoline as a motor fuel because of this reduction in emissions as it is able to be used in *existing* internal combustion engines with little modification and we in the USA have a bunch of Natural Gas...
This level of both technology and organization of it is beyond the capability of probably all Western nations now.
Right... Actually we in the western industrialized world do this at the actual emission point instead of dumping it into the air and then filtering it out... We've got scrubbers on our Coal burning plants, emissions controls on our cars and trucks and strict controls on all sorts of things that cause air pollution. We've done a really good job of this actually, and our air quality has vastly improved since we got really serious about it in the 70's..
You remember that VW emissions issue? What do you think this was all about? We've got laws for this, and we enforce them.
This isn't some technological marvel.. It's a desperate attempt at putting a Band-Aid on a huge emissions problem that they really cannot afford to fix the right way....