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Amazon is Raising the Price of Prime Monthly Memberships by Nearly 20 Percent (recode.net)

Amazon is boosting the price of its monthly Prime membership fees for new and existing members by nearly 20%. The online retailer said Friday its annual membership fee of $99 will not change. From a report: The increase comes less than two years after Amazon first introduced the monthly payment option as a way to attract new Prime members who either couldn't afford the annual membership of $99, which is not increasing, or didn't want to commit to using the service continuously. Prime is the engine at the center of the Amazon commerce machine -- Prime members buy from Amazon more frequently than non-Prime members and also spend more, hence why Amazon introduced the monthly option to lure new members. So if the company is raising the fee, you can bet that it discovered the current $10.99 was just not sustainable.

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  1. how ima fund hq2 wifout duckets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic


     

  2. Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or they just like money... Is that possibility really too crazy to consider?

    1. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A company trying to make money? That is indeed crazy to the point of insanity!

    2. Re:Not sustainable? by Espectr0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      of course it's sustainable, otherwise they would have raised the $99 yearly fee. The price hike is just to make some people to switch to the full year price, thinking they will get the better deal. It will work for some, and savvy people will only subscribe for november (black friday) and july (prime day)

    3. Re:Not sustainable? by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What seems to have been happening, is that people would order a pile of stuff and find that paying for one month of Prime cost less than shipping. So they would sign up and then cancel.

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    4. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Back when I was on a free trial of Prime, I switched all of my preorders to the free two-day shipping option. After the free trial was up, all of my preorders (some of which would not ship for several months) retained the free two-day shipping. So yeah, I can totally see people signing up for a month of prime in order to place a bunch of orders.

    5. Re:Not sustainable? by gnick · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...savvy people will only subscribe for november (black friday) and july (prime day)

      Or they'll keep piggy backing off someone else's subscription. I can't stream Prime video, but I get free 2-day shipping thanks to a family member who pays yearly. I can't be alone in this.

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    6. Re:Not sustainable? by obenchainr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As soon as I read the post, I assumed this was what was happening. Especially for something larger, the shipping will likely be more than $10, so signing up for Prime to get, say, a lawn mower or something big delivered (especially around the holidays) and then cancelling again would be a fiscally smart way to (ab)use the system.

    7. Re:Not sustainable? by atrex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They probably got annoyed at people signing up for the monthly prime service in November/December, then canceling in late December/January.

    8. Re:Not sustainable? by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      Back when Prime first started you could ship anything next-day for $2 extra, flat fee. Lawnmower, BBQ, whatever. It was great. Clearly not sustainable, but it was good while it lasted.

    9. Re:Not sustainable? by swillden · · Score: 1

      of course it's sustainable, otherwise they would have raised the $99 yearly fee.

      That doesn't follow, because customers may use the service differently on a monthly subscription, and one usage pattern may be sustainable at a given price point, but not another.

      For example, users may choose to sign up when they have a bunch of stuff to order (say, right before Christmas), then cancel immediately. With the annual subscription you have the low-utilization months to balance out the high-utilization months. I suppose some people may still say "I'm ordering a bunch of stuff right now, so much that my shipping cost is >$99, I'll sign up for Prime and save some money, then cancel", but that seems far less likely than for an $11 monthly subscription.

      Of course, then there are people like me. Between everyone in my house, on my Prime subscription, we not only order/get stuff almost every day, it's common that UPS and FedEx make multiple stops at my house per day. Each. That utilization pattern seems unsustainable and I'm surprised they haven't announced tiered subscription rates.

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    10. Re:Not sustainable? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It seems more to prevent people from paying $10 and binge-watching all of Amazon's exclusives in a single month.

    11. Re:Not sustainable? by scottrocket · · Score: 1

      I've had Prime since year one, and while I occasionally have purchase spurts - enough to make the subscription worth my while - I occasionally go for a month or two without ordering anything, so...I guess I'm subsidizing you? : )

    12. Re:Not sustainable? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Or they'll keep piggy backing off someone else's subscription. I can't stream Prime video, but I get free 2-day shipping

      I also share an account with other family members, and we all share the Prime video as well as the free shipping. What is stopping you from doing that? They don't limit the video to one location.

    13. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      55 gallon drums of lube.

    14. Re:Not sustainable? by swillden · · Score: 1

      I've had Prime since year one, and while I occasionally have purchase spurts - enough to make the subscription worth my while - I occasionally go for a month or two without ordering anything, so...I guess I'm subsidizing you? : )

      And I appreciate it!

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    15. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol.

      I bought a safe on Amazon with a regular account. Because it was over $25.00, it was free shipping.

      There's no way they didn't take an absolute bath on that.

    16. Re:Not sustainable? by unrtst · · Score: 3, Interesting

      THIS. Or, at the very least, this is probably part of the decision making process. I doubt there's any one issue.

      * greed/wanting more money... this doesn't make sense as a reason, because it relies on the chance that people will still get the monthly sub, which is more expensive than the yearly sub.

      * seasonal shipping.. this is probably part of the reason.

      * binge watching amazon exclusives (or other vids)... prime video alone, IMO, isn't worth the full prime price. If someone isn't reaping many of the other benefits, then a periodic binge on a one month sub is the only way it'd make sense.... and then, who cares if it's a few bucks more?

      * possibly a buffer in prep for the lack of Net Neutrality... if they need to start shelling out cash for fast lanes to ISP's, that has to come from somewhere

      If they had had a monthly option when I signed up, and it was close to the same price, I would have gone monthly only when needed/wanted.

    17. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations in the US get a tax break this year at the expense of all personal income tax payees, and their answer is to increase rates on everything? Living paycheck to paycheck and minimal raises... minimum wage going up in 2020 (and minimum starts bumping into peoples wages that have college degrees they have been paying on for 20 years). This is unsustainable... French Revolution coming soon to the Corporate States of America.

    18. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That way, family members can see what you bought and watched...

    19. Re:Not sustainable? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Why do you say this? My wife and I have two totally separate Amazon accounts that share a Prime membership. I cannot see her purchases or viewing history.

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    20. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they just like money... Is that possibility really too crazy to consider?

      Or just maybe consumers are cheap. Amazon hooks them in with a cheap monthly fee, then when enough people sign up, jacks up the fee when customers have grown comfortable and don't have cheaper options.

      Typical bait and switch strategy.

    21. Re:Not sustainable? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I've been buying Prime for several years now, but the funny thing is old habits die hard and I still act as though the shipping isn't free unless you go over a certain amount. I end up using Amazon like a shopping list, adding stuff to my cart as I think of it. Then once I actually need something in a short time I pull the trigger on the order. There is zero incentive for me to do this, but I still do it.

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    22. Re:Not sustainable? by gnick · · Score: 1

      What is stopping you from doing that?

      If we shared an account I don't think it would cause a problem. We don't, and it does. When I'm logged in from my account and try to watch video, I'm prompted to sign up for Prime. Free 2-day works fine. It could be that we could set things up differently and share the Prime video, but most of what I'd want from Prime video I can get just as easily from TPB so I've never been motivated to look into it. From their site:

      Sharing benefits through Amazon Household requires both adults to link their accounts in an Amazon Household and agree to share payment methods.

      We don't share payment methods, but sharing benefits still works half-way.

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    23. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 55?

    24. Re:Not sustainable? by ryanmc1 · · Score: 2

      The previously mentioned sharing is legal, the sharing you are talking about is not.

    25. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live within 30 miles of an amazon distribution center. Packages almost always come next day, despite not even having prime and picking the free shipping option.

    26. Re:Not sustainable? by tsotha · · Score: 1

      That's my guess. At $10.99 you can do all you Chrismas shopping through Amazon, come out far ahead on shipping, then drop it in January.

    27. Re:Not sustainable? by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      What seems to have been happening, is that people would order a pile of stuff and find that paying for one month of Prime cost less than shipping. So they would sign up and then cancel.

      Some places like Six Flags, charge monthly payments but require you to keep it for a full 12 months before cancelling to prevent just this.
      Six Flags has a similar problem. They are charging a monthly subscription when they aren't even open for the full 12 months in many locations.

    28. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That one only shares the delivery benefits, but not access to prime video.
      There is no option to share prime video between two accounts. In the EU at least...

    29. Re:Not sustainable? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      We definitely can share Prime Video in the US.

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    30. Re:Not sustainable? by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      if that were true, they could still do it for 2 dollars more don't you think?

    31. Re:Not sustainable? by Vektuz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this.

      Basically, people signing up for 10.99 and then buying a giant exercise machine that costs many times more than the margin on shipping, binge watching everything, then letting the subscription die after one month, to open it again a couple months later when they do the same thing again.

      Eventually it just doesn't make sense. Its one thing if its netflix and a human can only consume so much, its another thing when a single person can flood a delivery truck and incur hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of free shipping in one gulp.

    32. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only gallon?

    33. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done this, and got charged for the 2 day shipping when it occurred.

    34. Re:Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, i use it all year because it is way more convenient for a lot of things to order with free shipping than to spend time, gas and effort to go to 5 places looking for something - especially when you have a toddler.

    35. Re:Not sustainable? by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      You, as a rational consumer, are only trying to get the best deal for your money.

      As a profit-oriented company, Amazon is only trying to get the most money it can from its investments.

      That said, I stopped shopping on Amazon years ago... today will mark the first time I seek an alternative to Whole Foods, as I have no intention of giving Bezos any more of my political support, aka socioeconomics. It sucks, because they're closer to home, next to other stores I shop at, and I have friends that work there.

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  3. The new price by EvilSS · · Score: 5, Informative

    The new price is $12.99/month if anyone was wondering.

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    1. Re:The new price by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      It wasn't worth it at the old price. Their streaming service is substandard and the "free" shipping is just added on to the price of the item.

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    2. Re:The new price by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It wasn't worth it at the old price. Their streaming service is substandard and the "free" shipping is just added on to the price of the item.

      I find for the small sum of $99/yr, it is VERY much worth it to me.

      I like the 2x day shipping, and I do most of my shopping there online, rather than brick and mortar.

      I really have been using Amazon Music to stream in my car lately.

      I like the free eBooks I get monthly for reading.

      I believe there is also free online storage you get for photos and something called Twitch.tv too, but I"ve not explored those yet.

      I do shop around online for best prices, but most of the time, I find it at Amazon, and I have just enough patience for most things to get here in 2x days.

      Their video streaming content is getting better, I have both it and Netflix....Netflix seems to have less and less and Amazon seems to be starting to have more and more movies I want to watch these days.

      Again....$99 a year is nothing, as I mentioned elsewhere, I've had bar tabs that high, so for all that entertainment AND "free" 2x day shipping, it is more than worth it to me.

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    3. Re: The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thnks m8

    4. Re:The new price by gnick · · Score: 1

      ...the "free" shipping is just added on to the price of the item.

      If they're still the cheapest alternative, who cares?

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    5. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      WalMart is becoming competitive with them (fewer shipping problems and better packaged for shipping) AND they have brick and mortar stores which Amazon barely has.

    6. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's uncommon for the price to be more than in a retail store and so you aren't paying more per item directly.

      The streaming is still structured in a way to get you to buy content which can be annoying, but it is the cheapest of the bunch and you do get other benefits like music streaming and twitch prime.

      Netflix just increased their price and the third party content has been lacking. You do arguably get the best original series / movies with Netflix, but you are also paying a lot more for it and you only get streaming.

    7. Re:The new price by s122604 · · Score: 1

      I almost hate to say this, but walmart.com is coming on strong
      on a lot of common, and not so common items, it is price competitive with amazon, especially if you do the ship-to-store option

    8. Re:The new price by chakan2 · · Score: 1

      Eh...I finally dropped it after 15 years...they're just not competitive on price any more. Things they post as "on-sale" are still 10-20% higher than their competitors. The auxiliary services (streaming video / music) I don't use as I have monster personal library, and Netflix respectively.

      The turning point was finding a hockey bag on sale on Amazon for 110$, after a brief search on google (2nd hit) found it somewhere else for 40$ w/ free shipping. That happened on 3 or 4 semi-major purchases in a row.

      Eh...I'll save that 100$ a year and spend it elsewhere until they fix some of their deceptive "sale" tactics.

    9. Re:The new price by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      $99 is just the base cost, you then have at add up all the extra you pay for over priced items that qualify for Prime.

      Maybe it's better in the US, but I couldn't live off the selection available at Amazon UK.

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    10. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The difference is that with Amazon I don't have to shop at Walmart.

      Not saying Amazon's warehouse workers are treated amazingly well, but they are a shade better than Walmart deliberately helping their workers go on public assistance. Seeing as I already have to pay Walmart's workers out of my tax dollars, I'm not going to give them another dime.

      Oh, and when I buy a product on Amazon, I'm more or less guaranteed the actual product, not the "Walmart version" of the product, which is typically made on the cheap using inferior components. I used to work with Walmarts supply chain and quality control arms at a previous job, they strong arm companies into meeting price points. In order to do this those companies typically just make a new SKU of garbage quality to sell at Walmart.

        And it's delivered to my door. If I have to drive out to the store to pick up my purchase I've kind of defeated the entire reason I had it delivered in the first place.

      So no, Walmart.com is NOT coming on strong. At least not if you can afford to shop anywhere else. If you can't afford to shop elsewhere, that's another story-- though I do feel bad that people shopping there end up with garbage products. Unfortunately you get what you pay for.

    11. Re:The new price by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      "free" shipping is just added on to the price of the item

      Is that why their prices are almost always lower than all competitors?

    12. Re:The new price by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Same here. For the free shipping and the video, it's a no brainer.

      For those who can't figure this out: yes, some Prime items might be overpriced to account for shipping, but by no means all. That's why you do this thing called "comparison shop". It's made much easier by this other thing called "the internet".

    13. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not better in the US.. almost any item that has "free prime shipping" can be found listed with minus the cost of the supposed "free" 2-day shipping . Their streaming services are well behind competitors too. The worst is that their platform support for video and music is terrible. It's so bad that only recently could you actually download it from the normal app store on Android.

    14. Re:The new price by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Eh...I finally dropped it after 15 years...they're just not competitive on price any more. Things they post as "on-sale" are still 10-20% higher than their competitors. The auxiliary services (streaming video / music) I don't use as I have monster personal library, and Netflix respectively.

      The turning point was finding a hockey bag on sale on Amazon for 110$, after a brief search on google (2nd hit) found it somewhere else for 40$ w/ free shipping. That happened on 3 or 4 semi-major purchases in a row.

      Eh...I'll save that 100$ a year and spend it elsewhere until they fix some of their deceptive "sale" tactics.

      I find Amazon is better for smaller, one-off type items. For example, my 2 year old dog finds phone charger cords to be rather tasty- she's chewed through at least 4-5 of mine (luckily just the standard USB-C) and one or tow of my wife's(Lightning, sadly). Every time she chewed through mine I'd have to run to the dollar store and buy another cord for $5. Got fed up, went to Amazon, and got a 6 pack of sturdy, flexible, and long cords from China for $12. There was also my small Black and Decker rice cooker I got as Black Friday deal 2 years ago for $7.

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    15. Re:The new price by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It wasn't worth it at the old price.

      That depends entirely on how you use it. For many of us we pay for it in orders alone.

      Their streaming service is substandard and the "free" shipping is just added on to the price of the item.

      Except that the prices are still the same whether you have prime or don't, so you get everyone else in the world to subsidise your shipping cost, and at like 1/2 purchases a month the substandard streaming service can remain substandard because you're getting it for free, subsidised by those people in the world who don't order more than a couple of packages a month.

    16. Re:The new price by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh, and when I buy a product on Amazon, I'm more or less guaranteed the actual product, not the "Walmart version" of the product

      "AmazonBasics" might ring a bell?

      Sure, you can get the real deal. But it ain't like Amazon doesn't make its own knockoffs of "everyday" items where brand names don't matter much to users, like network cables.

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    17. Re:The new price by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Eh...I finally dropped it after 15 years...they're just not competitive on price any more. Things they post as "on-sale" are still 10-20% higher than their competitors.

      Maybe some things, but by no means all, or even most.

      Prime makes sense for a lot of people, including me. I order a LOT online. I do comparison shop, but still end up getting a lot from Amazon every month.

      Combine that with the Prime video - which I like, as I like eclectic stuff and I don't care if the latest hot popular series or movies are included - and it's a great value.

    18. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is doing the same thing with pricing and quality and Wal-mart does deliver to your door.

      You are clearly biased and haven't looked at wal-mart's offerings.

    19. Re:The new price by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      My biggest gripe with their 'free 2 day shipping' is that there is no specific recourse for circumstances where the product arrives late. It's almost like they use it as an excuse.

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    20. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about "private label" products. I'm talking about Samsung making two models of TV, one for all other retailers, and one for Walmart, in which the Walmart SKU uses a cheaper panel, comes with less inputs, worse speakers, etc. It's still labeled as the same model, but if you check the actual model number it will be different.

      So, purely as example, if there is a model number 700x52 sold at places like BestBuy and Amazon, there will be a 700x52W sold at Walmart. It will have a few less inputs, most likely, and almost invariably will source the LCD panel from a cheaper Chinese manufacturer to cut costs down.

      Both will be labeled Samsung 700 52 inch TV. They will have the same box (with the number of inputs or whatnot changed) and they will advertise them as exactly the same. But the product you are getting is not as high quality.

    21. Re:The new price by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      My limited experience with AmazonBasics (a couple of small-ticket electronics items) has been generally positive. Quality was acceptable, price was fair.

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    22. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their streaming service is substandard

      Compared to what? Netflix has fuck all for content these days.

      the "free" shipping is just added on to the price of the item

      Hasn't really been my experience, but YMMV depending on what you're buying.

    23. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon does not do this with their quality. For one thing, they are a marketplace, so you can buy from multiple vendors. For another, they list the SKU / model number so you can make sure you are getting the real product.

      See my response above. I'm not talking about "amazon basics" or Walmart's in house brand. I'm talking about a third party, like a Sony, Samsung, etc, making an inferior quality product to meet Walmart's price point and remain profitable. It will look and be advertised as the exact same product, but may be missing features, or be built of lower quality components. The only way to tell is to look at the actual model number which will have a slight difference (or to just compare the physical products I guess.)

      I'm definitely biased. I used to work with Walmart at a third part testing company. Between the shady dealings of their quality department, and physically seeing the quality difference between the "real" product and the Walmart product, I will never shop there if I have any choice.

    24. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon being the cheapest option is rather rare, though.

    25. Re:The new price by s122604 · · Score: 1

      Oh yes Jeff Bezoar, the great humanitarian

      Obviously this is an emotional thing for you, for me it is not.
      And of course walmart.com (and target.com) does deliver, and don't tell me that the AA batteries on amazon are any different than the ones you get at other sites

    26. Re:The new price by jowaju · · Score: 2

      Yes there is, simply contact them and get an additional month of prime for free, I do it every time I have a late package, which is admittedly almost never. "Note: If you received free shipping with a guaranteed delivery date through Amazon Prime, you may be eligible for a free one-month extension if the delivery date isn't met. Prime extensions are limited to one per free trial, one per month for monthly members, and 12 for an annual membership."

    27. Re:The new price by rhsanborn · · Score: 1

      That's not the same. Those products are clearly branded as Amazon Basics (and are often of equal or better quality). Walmart, on the other hand insists suppliers make brand name products special for Walmart with independent SKUs that may not meet the same quality requirements of the manufacturers other products. If you can't meet their price point, they'll help you find a factory in China that will help you do it, with thinner steel, lower quality components, etc. (https://www.fastcompany.com/54763/man-who-said-no-wal-mart)

    28. Re:The new price by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's better in the US, but I couldn't live off the selection available at Amazon UK.

      It's the same in Canada. Many items are not available through Prime and for those that are the Prime cost is usually the same as the non-Prime+shipping. The only advantage is that Prime is usually faster shipping. You also lack many of the features like free eBooks and the video selection is not great at all (far worse than Netflix). On top of that you cannot share Prime with people at the same address so it is useless for families since sharing an account means you cannot use it for Christmas and birthdays. The only benefit is that it is cheaper at $79/year which is ~US$65 but it's not worth it, particularly without the sharing which, for a family, either doubles the cost or cripples its usage.

    29. Re:The new price by hawk · · Score: 1

      The catch, of course, being that you have to deal with a walmart parking lot, go *into* a walmart, deal with a walmart parking lot again, and escape that parking lot . . .

      At least you go to a separate counter than the occupationally challenged cashiers, or the long wait at "customer service" behind people trying to "return" assorted stuff from their cabinet, or that they've found, or . . .

      hawk

    30. Re:The new price by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      I almost hate to say this, but walmart.com is coming on strong on a lot of common, and not so common items, it is price competitive with amazon, especially if you do the ship-to-store option

      But UGH the thought of actually having to go to, park and go inside a Walmart....I just can't stand going into that place.

      I rarely go to a Wally-world...usually only to get a really good deal on ammo (bird shot 100 packs for $19.99), and at times, oil or washing/waxing products for the car. But other than that, just can't stand the place and the food, ugh...their meat still has marks where the jockey was hitting it.

      And well, amazon still has a LOT of 3rd party sellers, and from them, no sales tax is charged, which makes that still an attractive option.

      Wally-world also needs to get their website looking and operating in a bit better, user friendly manner.

      If Wally-world can match or beat the Amazon price, and do shipping in same 2 day manner and have the selection and not force me to go to a store, I'll give them heavy consideration.

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    31. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This tactic is not exclusive to Walmart; lots of big retailers have special deals with manufactures for exclusive models. Mattresses and appliances are also good examples of products where this happens.

    32. Re:The new price by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Except that the prices are still the same whether you have prime or don't

      At least on the .co.uk site there is usually a third party seller that is cheaper than the Prime price including shipping, where the item ships from the Amazon warehouse but takes a little longer to reach you. So you pay more for the Prime version and get expedited shipping on the exact same product...

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    33. Re:The new price by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Wow. Ok, that's something I never heard of. Actually I'd guess it's outright illegal in most parts of Europe with that "reasonable expectation" clause in the consumer protection laws.

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    34. Re:The new price by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      $99 is just the base cost, you then have at add up all the extra you pay for over priced items that qualify for Prime.

      Maybe it's better in the US, but I couldn't live off the selection available at Amazon UK.

      Hmm...yeah, it must be MUCH different outside the US then.

      I mean, pretty much *everything* find qualifies for Prime shipment, except some 3rd party items...and I don't find that Amazon is overpriced compared to other online retailers, if they even have what I want in stock at other online retailers.

      And...I'm still able to get many things from Amazon without having sales tax added, although that is getting a bit tougher to find.

      But being that Amazon is a US company, it is likely we get the best deals and selection. I'm guessing as they grow and expand, they will get better overseas too...but then again, ya'll have weird stuff like VAT taxes and other rules which don't apply here, so, who knows?

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    35. Re:The new price by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      On top of that you cannot share Prime with people at the same address so it is useless for families since sharing an account means you cannot use it for Christmas and birthdays.

      Yes you can, go to Your Account, scroll down til you see "Shopping Programs & Rentals and then click Amazon Household

      From the help page about it: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help...

      Sharing benefits through Amazon Household requires both adults to link their accounts in an Amazon Household and agree to share payment methods. Each adult keeps his or her personal account while sharing those benefits at no additional cost. To set up an Amazon Household, go to the Amazon Household main page.

      https://www..amazon.com/myh/ma...

    36. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The delivery comment was directed at the previous poster who claimed the prices were similar if you "ship to store". I know both places deliver.

      As for the battery comment. I don't know if the batteries are the same. I know the TV's, Jeans, and appliances are not. It's entirely possible that duracell makes a different SKU for Walmart to drive prices down-- do you know? We didn't test batteries, so I honestly don't know. That's part of the problem-- I can't trust what I buy there based on my other knowledge.

      I also like that you immediately went for the combination straw man / ad hominem attack-- claiming that I somehow adore Jeff Bezos (when I outright stated they treat their warehouse workers badly), and then try to make fun of me for this being an 'emotional issue for me?"

      Sure, I guess I'm emotional about it-- if by that you mean that I call bullshit out when I see it, and try to inform people of negative behaviors by major corporations.

      I was simply saying that equating Walmart and Amazon is not comparing apples to oranges. Walmart is well known for treating it's workers badly, and strong arming manufacturers into making inferior products. It's not like it's some big industry secret.

      If I seem emotional it's because I do really care about these topics. The poor treatment and payment of Walmart workers is part of the reason other posters are lamenting the increase of a $100 a year service-- this shouldn't be out of reach for the average family. At the same time they are driving product quality into the ground, and driving good products out of the market.

      They are simultaneously helping create and impoverished class, and then selling them cheap junk. If you don't find that to be a negative, I'm not sure how to respond to you.

      I guess you can keep calling me emotional though. I'd rather be emotional over this sort of issue that just not care and keep supporting companies that are actively hurting our economy and the products we use on a daily basis.

    37. Re:The new price by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I should look at my Amazon orders from last year and see just how far off their prices are for the items that I can buy locally. I suspect Amazon's total cost is still cheaper. I average more than an order a week and shopping at a local retailer is going to take me between 30 and 60 minutes round-trip, but I'll have to make multiple stops. Then there's the problem of the retailer not carrying something, or it being out of stock; there's no wasted trips with Amazon.

      I buy pretty much everything through Amazon except for most food and pet supplies. I haven't tried their Fresh service yet, but Peapod delivers to my new neighborhood so I may go back to them for dry goods and some produce.

    38. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a dodge even in the US.
      The US has laws meant to prevent thins kind of thing, but Walmart has expertly crafted their practices to comply with the letter of those laws.
      Techicnly the Walmart version is a distinct product which is accurately described by Walmart's advertising. And it is not illegal to sell a "budget" model and a "deluxe" model of the same product.

      The trick is that customers are often naive and will assume that if one product in a family gets good reviews for build quality and such that the related product that looks like the same thing with fewer ports has the same build quality unless they see a review specifically bashing the other model.
      Since most reviews are written on a "you get free stuff for writing a review" basis it's pretty rare to find the Wallmart model specifically reviewed as no one involved in producing the review benefits from calling attention to how shoddy it is compared to the normal model.

      Additionally Wallmart only stocks the Wallmart model, so they can use the Exchange or Store Credit only policy on returns to comply with requirements to accept returns of defective products without making it easy to get the model you thought you were buying, and because nobody but Wallmart carries the Wallmarts version it's rare that customers get to do a side by side comparison to notice any differences before buying.

    39. Re:The new price by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't necessary buy stuff locally, just from other places online. In fact often it's just 3rd party sellers on Amazon that are cheaper.

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    40. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Costco does this, are they evil too?

    41. Re:The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AmazonBasics HDMI cables are an absolute steal. They work perfectly, are sturdy enough and as cheap as the dodgy sub-spec ones on AliExpress

    42. Re: The new price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The price increase is not for the $100/year annual service. It is for the $11/month service. These families would save money, even without the price increase, by purchasing an annual plan. Like most things in life, being able to afford a higher up front cost saves money in the long term. Thus the cycle of poverty continues.

  4. Long-term lock-in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sustainable my ass. Now that they've got people hooked Amazon wants to make sure they don't leave again and lock them in for a full year.

    Bonus side effect: they get to charge people who cannot afford a lump sum of 100$ more. Being poor is expensive.

    1. Re:Long-term lock-in by bobbied · · Score: 0, Troll

      Being poor is expensive.

      In this case, being poor just means you need to plan a bit better. If you have to have Amazon, stuff $10/month into the mattress and then send it to Amazon in 10 moths. Cannot afford that? You cannot afford Amazon Prime anyway so why are you complaining about this?

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    2. Re:Long-term lock-in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think you understand just how slim some people's margins are. Something might come up one month that requires that $10 you were going to put into Prime (and $10 from groceries, and $10 from something else, and $10 from something else, and..).

      If you still want to argue that Prime is a luxury not an entitlement, by all means go ahead. But at least try to argue sensibly.

    3. Re:Long-term lock-in by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      You can usually find free shipping - just not 2 day - for most items on Amazon. If you REALLY need it in 2 days and cannot afford to pay for fast shipping OR Amazon Prime, then you probably can get it locally. And if you cannot afford that, well - best to see if you can sell some of your EBT benefits.

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    4. Re:Long-term lock-in by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Oligopolies and near monopolies almost always suck in the longer term. Without competition, Amazon will gradually grow dickier and dickier.

    5. Re:Long-term lock-in by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Sustainable my ass. Now that they've got people hooked Amazon wants to make sure they don't leave again and lock them in for a full year.

      Bonus side effect: they get to charge people who cannot afford a lump sum of 100$ more. Being poor is expensive.

      Discounts on longer terms are ... common. Evil? I don't think so, but even if so, Amazon didn't invent it ...

    6. Re:Long-term lock-in by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If you can't afford to put away 10 bucks a month, you most certainly cannot afford paying 12 bucks a month.

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    7. Re:Long-term lock-in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not the OP, but I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

      "If you still want to argue that Prime is a luxury and not an entitlement go ahead."

      Is Amazon Prime not a luxury? Do people NEED two day shipping, unlimited music and video streaming, special membership offers? Last time I checked it's absolutely a luxury. And as far as luxury memberships go, it's pretty cheap. You are getting a lot for your money.

      I think OP is just trying to say that if you can't afford to save $10 a month for 10 months up front, then you shouldn't be spending $12 each month instead and then canceling if you run out of money. It shows you aren't in a position to afford Amazon Prime at all. This is a fact-- even if it might be grossly unfair. It says a lot about how our country (countries) are set up that some people can't afford $10 a month on a little luxury each month. We've reached a pretty sad state of affairs-- though that's a separate argument.

      In any case, I agree that some people can't afford it, and as such it falls squarely into The Sam Vimes Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness**

      ** for the uninitiated:

      The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

      Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

      But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

      This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.”

    8. Re:Long-term lock-in by kenh · · Score: 1

      Bonus side effect: they get to charge people who cannot afford a lump sum of 100$ more. Being poor is expensive.

      Your complaint makes no sense - they don't charge people that "cannot afford a lump sum of 100$" more, they charge shipping. Same as many retailers that have free shipping for orders over $100 (for example), that doesn't mean people that pay "more" than they otherwise would if their order is under $100.

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    9. Re:Long-term lock-in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you understand just how slim some people's margins are. Something might come up one month that requires that $10 you were going to put into Prime (and $10 from groceries, and $10 from something else, and $10 from something else, and..). If you still want to argue that Prime is a luxury not an entitlement, by all means go ahead. But at least try to argue sensibly.

      So is having Amazon Prime now a right? Not really.

      My point was that if you are poor and $12/month is too much, then the $9.99 you are paying now is likely too much too. In fact, I was trying to explain that if you simply MUST have your prime subscription, then save up 10 months worth of monthly fees and pay for the year which will save you $11. A little bit of planning and delayed satisfaction and you can save money.

      Then I get modded down as a troll? Shesh...

    10. Re:Long-term lock-in by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You can get reduced cost Prime if you're on welfare, lol!

    11. Re:Long-term lock-in by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Poor people generally don't buy a large amount of the crap that Amazon sells.

      I read stories on here of people who get deliveries every couple of days and wonder what the hell people need that often. It can't all be fruit and veg which it never has in the correct quantity anyway.

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  5. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you canâ(TM)t afford an upfront payment you should expect to pay more

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did you upfront pay for your iphone or are you paying the monthly fee to lease it?
      ban iphone posting and ban iphone posters. this is a lunux enthusiast website

    2. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I havenâ(TM)t leased or made payments on anything in over a decade, including this phone

    3. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if they're shopping online for materials that will help they develop marketable skills?

    4. Re:Makes sense by bobbied · · Score: 1

      did you upfront pay for your iphone or are you paying the monthly fee to lease it? ban iphone posting and ban iphone posters. this is a lunux enthusiast website

      In my case, the out of pocket was the same exact cost as financing it. AT&T charges you exactly the same amount for the phone paying up front as Apple does paying up front as their various "financing" options. So, in this case, I take the zero cost financing. Not because I cannot pay up front, but because it doesn't cost me a dime to buy on time and I can invest the money for profit.

      However, I don't buy on time except for houses and sometimes cars.

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    5. Re:Makes sense by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Another one for wholly-owned phones. I don't want the latest phone that needs to be treated like some precious faberge egg.

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    6. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do those marketable skills include proper capitalization and sentence structure?

    7. Re:Makes sense by thegreatbob · · Score: 2

      Turn of fancy punctuation, and people won't call you out as an Apple user here. It likely looks fine to you and other mobile users, but your quotes (and anything else you can't type directly on a normal desktop keyboard) devolve into weird accented a's, TM symbols, and other madness on normal platforms. http://appleinsider.com/articl...

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  6. What if.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    ..they discovered that people would sign up for a month then cancel once they got the high shipping cost item they wanted? Then do it again 2 or 3 times a year? I know people who do exactly this. Same with `flix and `lu. It makes sense to raise the price to cover the people who do that. And being they are not raising the yearly cost, the $99 is profitable, but 10.99 3x/yr is not.

    1. Re:What if.. by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Same with `flix and `lu.

      Does "Hulu" really need a 3-character abbreviation, 'onymous 'ward?

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    2. Re:What if.. by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Nobody says they need to offer an monthly option. Yearly-only: $99

    3. Re:What if.. by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      DOS file extensions don't design themselves.

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  7. Why does anyone need prime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I cant figure that part out.
    My packages will get here when they get here.
    And usually they arrive much sooner than the estimate.

    I will never pay for Prime.

    1. Re:Why does anyone need prime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cant figure that part out.
      My packages will get here when they get here.
      And usually they arrive much sooner than the estimate.

      I will never pay for Prime.

      It used to be that Prime also got you delivery in two days. A lot of times, I'd get stuff the next day.

      Unfortunately, that's no longer the case, so yeah, I'm wondering what Prime gets me as far as shipping is concerned, so I'm thinking of dumping it.

    2. Re:Why does anyone need prime? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I cant figure that part out.

      My packages will get here when they get here.

      And usually they arrive much sooner than the estimate.

      I will never pay for Prime.

      I find a lot of value in it.

      I do a LOT of shopping on Amazon, I rarely go to brick and mortar stores, and I like the 2x day shipping. I have patience for 2 days.

      I like the options I find on Amazon Prime that comes with it.

      I like that I get free eBooks monthly.

      You get some free storage on amazon cloud.

      I enjoy the Amazon Music, I use that to stream in my car off my cell phone.

      There's other stuff I've not tried yet, something called Twitch.tv you get free.

      I believe there are some other things, but I find these all to be a big value to me....

      Here are some links here and here....

      And all that for a mere $99/yr?

      Hell, I've had single night bar tabs that much....

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    3. Re:Why does anyone need prime? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      It makes a bigger difference if you have kids. Didn't see the appeal until going to a store became a big ordeal. People's lives were probably saved when they were infants and we were sleep deprived and could have whatever we needed delivered!

    4. Re:Why does anyone need prime? by anyaristow · · Score: 1

      Shipping is maddening without prime. They don't just ship a slower carrier. They hold it for up to a week before shipping. And some things you find are prime-only, so you can't order them at all. I got used to ordering things from ebay, and I learned to like walmart and some other sellers' direct website.

  8. Nice Words by kerembaharlar · · Score: 0

    All is true. like Moda

  9. nymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironically I just canceled mine this Monday!

  10. Free Market at Work by gti_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No one is forcing you to use Prime. What is this even a story?

    1. Re:Free Market at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is forcing you to use slashdot. Why is this even a comment?

    2. Re:Free Market at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take the derivatives of the supply and demand equations and solve for the point of maximum revenue. Econ 101.

      Sometimes you make more profit by raising prices. Sometimes you make more profit by lowering prices.

    3. Re:Free Market at Work by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      No one forces you to do most things. That doesn't mean it isn't of interest to people.

      News only about things you're being forced to do is called government propaganda.

    4. Re:Free Market at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Amazon is definitely trying. More and more items I try to buy keep saying they're Prime-only items. I'm not going to wait around a few days for them to be unlisted as Prime-only and then have Amazon restrict a different item in my pending cart. I'm very surprised to find myself shopping a lot more on eBay as a result. Amazon keeps getting worse and worse.

    5. Re:Free Market at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is forcing you to use slashdot. Why is this even a comment?

      This coming from an anonymous coward.... Yea, why?

    6. Re:Free Market at Work by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      This is a tech news site. No one forces you to use Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft or Linux. No one forces you to program in C++, PHP, Python, Java, JavaScript or Basic. No one forces you to use Chrome, FireFox, Edge or Lynx. But once you start cutting all those, I'm not sure what stories would go on /.

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    7. Re:Free Market at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is forcing you to use Prime. What is this even a story?

      I cancelled my Prime because Amazon renewed automatically and did so on a personal card not a business card (so it went from business expense to personal annoynance).

      Blame here lies both with Amazon and the credit card companies constantly changing my card every few months. Amazon doesn't typically let me edit the number or easily delete the card. If you navigate deep enough into "settings", this option - or at least one of them - can be found. I have no idea why companies don't have the 'delete' option right next to the 'add' function. I have a suspicion why, but 'fuck me?', 'FUCK YOU!'.

      Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I tried to use their automatic help menu/nonsense to get the charges switched to right card and ensure that the charge is not applied automatically in the future.

      By the time I actually got someone on the phone to fix this (their automated help understood the problem but said it couldn't fix it), I was sufficiently pissed to demand a full refund. Amazon did refund the latest Prime charge as well as the prior year's Prime charge.

      Since then, I've found new reasons to hate them. And ... I think they will try to use force. How? Don't know. It could be tie-ins with prescription meds, more DRM/tracking BS media (both big med and media are force-created entities).

      Anyway, I'll keep my powder dry and maintain my avoidance of monthly payments for ANYTHING. Yes, I own my home (no mortgage). Yes, I own my car (no payment).

      I make it habit to buy DIRECT* or from ELSEWHERE (walmart.com).

      Nearly 2/3rds of the item price goes to Amazon is some marketplace contexts. Not a standard retail 30% but well north of 60%. Cut them out and buy in bulk direct or elsewhere.

  11. Amazon Prime Pricing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want, or need, their offerings outside of the shipping. That is the reason why I have not signed up for Prime. I see no need to pay $99 a year for a service that I will only use HALF of. If they offered a service for $50 or $60 that was products and shipping only called Prime Basic or whatever I would be all over that like a fat kid on a donut. I don't want or need all of their Amazon Music/TV/eBook nonsense.

    1. Re:Amazon Prime Pricing by kenh · · Score: 1

      It only takes, on average, three shipments/month to offset $99/yr Prime membership, many families place that many orders in a month.

      I purchased an 8" Fire HD tablet (red), cheap case cover, and once I connected it to my Amazon Prime account it's been my go-to tablet for plane rides ever since. It pre-loads movies for free, always something to watch, cost less than $100, and since it's bright red, it's hard to misplace in a plane backseat pocket.

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  12. Losing bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> So if the company is raising the fee, you can bet that it discovered the current $10.99 was just not sustainable.

    You would lose the bet.

    1. Re:Losing bet by kenh · · Score: 1

      Maybe they "discovered" enough people were willing to pay $12.99/month?

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  13. At least they waited until after the holiday by rjejr · · Score: 2

    They probably should have done this in mid October before everyone signed up for 1 month for Black Friday shopping and last minute Christmas shopping. The fact that they waited until mid-January at least is a good reminder for everyone who signed up monthly to cancel now that they are done shopping. And it does look like they are giving a 1 month notice, my monthly renewal date is February 5 but they said I won't be charged the extra $2, $12.99, until March 5th, so they are giving people and extra month at the current price it looks like. Nobody likes to pay money, but I think it's a good move by them. We were signing up about every 3 ro 4 months just to save $12 on $60 video game and get it day 1. We were also getting a free month every year, from 3 different people in our house with Amazon accounts, so we probably only paid 1 or 2 months out of the year. Sorry if we ruined it for anybody,w e just did what they let us do. They could have dropped monthly entirely, forced everyone to pay $99, but at least people will still have the option to pay $13 in July for Prime day or next November for Black Friday shopping. It could have been worse. I have no relationship with Amazon except as a customer, and I'll be dropping Prime next month.

  14. Unreasonable conclusion. by plague911 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "So if the company is raising the fee, you can bet that it discovered the current $10.99 was just not sustainable."

    Talk about jumping to conclusions. There are a myriad of reasons why the company could be choosing to raise its price and dozens of factors at play. Yet the author picked one, because "reasons." There likely is a analysis out there 100 pages thick about the implications of rising the price yet you think the answer is of-course a one word statement of "sustainability."

    1. Re:Unreasonable conclusion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myriad was only an adjective until too many folks ruined it. Which "begs the question" why we change things to accommodate the incorrect.

    2. Re:Unreasonable conclusion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People on the sidelines always think they know better than the coach.

      That has been the theme of Slashdot for decades.

  15. Is Amazon still in business? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    For me last straw was Amazon's refusal to sell an item I wanted unless I was a prime member.

    When a company gets so big that they feel secure enough in their position to intentionally fuck with their customers essentially telling them to screw off it's time to write that company off and move on.

    1. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      buh-bye

    2. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Eh, that's like Costco or Sam's Club, though. Presumably that item was selling at invoice or just barely over.

    3. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by slipped_bit · · Score: 1

      I ran into this, too. It was a consumable item I had purchased a few times in the past, but most recently when I went to order it I was told I couldn't unless I became a prime member. I also had some pet supplies in my Amazon cart. In the end, I cancelled the entire Amazon order and purchased the pet supplies from a different online retailer for the same price (including free shipping.)

    4. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Costco won't even let you in the door without membership, and neither of them will sell to you at all without membership.

      Amazon will show you their wares and will generally even sell them to you, with or without a Prime subscription. So it's rather shocking to find that suddenly they won't sell you a particular product if you aren't a Prime subscriber.

    5. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      That's true, I suppose the more consumer friendly approach would be to have a Prime price and a non-member price.

    6. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by kenh · · Score: 1

      For me last straw was Amazon's refusal to sell an item I wanted unless I was a prime member.

      What item, specifically, did they refuse to sell to a non-prime customer?

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    7. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Except Costco won't even let you in the door without membership, and neither of them will sell to you at all without membership.

      You can get into Costco by flashing a gift card at the door. You can also get into Costco without a membership if you're dealing with prescriptions for drugs / glasses.

    8. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can also get in by being confident and just walking in. If you get "stopped" (never got anything but a dirty look), keep walking or feign grabbing and flashing ANYTHING toward the greeter.

      If you are nervous, put SOMETHING in your hand and wave it.

      If you are even more paranoid put a credit card in your hand and wave it.

      I have a membership but its annoying as fuck to dig out my card at the door in the winter. I just walk in.

    9. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      What item, specifically, did they refuse to sell to a non-prime customer?

      Star Wars: The Force Awakens

    10. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Eh, that's like Costco or Sam's Club, though. Presumably that item was selling at invoice or just barely over.

      This isn't about stores requiring memberships. If Amazon went membership only I would respect it although personally would chose not to purchase a membership because they offer nothing I can't get on same or more favorable terms elsewhere.

      Bottom line if your going to pretend to be open to the public then don't play games with me and expect to keep my business.

      This was Star Wars blu ray selling at full rip-off price something like $25. Ended up rolling the dice on eBay and picked up non-bootleg for less than half that. Refuse to believe they were not making money. This was unambiguously a calculated harassment campaign to upsell prime memberships.

      The end result was they lost my business. Not worth my time to be fucked with like this. Amazon offers nothing above and beyond what others are offering to justify yearly membership dues.

    11. Re:Is Amazon still in business? by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Worse than that, they think they can get billions in tax relief to build their new office somewhere. It's going to be as lucrative as the Olympics after all the giveaways.

      There are actually other stores besides Amazon.

      I just got a microwave oven from Wal-Mart, delivered for free. (Or I could have had it sent to the store, a couple days later, and go pick it up. Duh.)
      I also got an igniter for my gas stove delivered for free from Wal-Mart. It was from the same company that would have charged an extra shipping charge if I had bought it direct. As long as wally world wants to eat the shipping costs, that will enter into the equation.

  16. Prime is generally a rip-off anyway by bangular · · Score: 1

    There was a point in time for which having a membership made sense. This year is going to be my last year of prime. I've actually stopped using Amazon in general for most things in the past year.

    Amazon relies heavily on third party sellers these days. It seems like the products from these sellers that are prime eligible just have the shipping costs built into the price. For example, I searched on Amazon "adafruit" (a hobbyist electronics company) and one of the first results is the "Adafruit 328 battery." $18.35 on Amazon, $14.95 on adafruit.com.

    For certain items, prime (and Amazon in general) has good deals. If I'm going to by a popular $500 electronic product, Amazon w/prime is usually your best bet. But there are huge categories of products for which Amazon no longer (or never did) makes sense.

    I remember an NPR story awhile back that many 3rd party sellers were simply buying products on ebay, marking up the price, re-selling on Amazon, and making a killing. People have been trained to use Amazon even when a simple search can find products cheaper from other sources.

    Pantry sucks. The few times I've used it half the cans were severely dented and the deals weren't anything great. Basically Wal-Mart prices.

    The prime streaming service is just duplicates of content Netflix and Hulu already offer. I'm guessing they just get the cheapest content (like 90's sitcoms).

    Ironically, I've gone back to being a fuddy-duddy and just buying my products in-store. I get what I need and leave. It seems like I have far fewer impulse buys in-person as well.

    1. Re:Prime is generally a rip-off anyway by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      Amazon relies heavily on third party sellers these days. It seems like the products from these sellers that are prime eligible just have the shipping costs built into the price. For example, I searched on Amazon "adafruit" (a hobbyist electronics company) and one of the first results is the "Adafruit 328 battery." $18.35 on Amazon, $14.95 on adafruit.com.

      Obviously Prime doesn't remove the need to comparison shop. I agree there is a lot of highly overpriced stuff there, and you need to be able to filter that out or you will get ripped off. One would hope if you use it enough to join Prime that would not be a problem but for some people it probably still is.

       

      I remember an NPR story awhile back that many 3rd party sellers were simply buying products on ebay, marking up the price, re-selling on Amazon, and making a killing. People have been trained to use Amazon even when a simple search can find products cheaper from other sources.

      No doubt, but dealing with a single source has an advantage as well. So long as the prices are in line with other vendors, I find it easier to just deal with a handful than what would be dozens, probably hundreds of vendors otherwise. Having to sign up for accounts and fill in credit cards with all of them is tedious, and shipping is highly inconsistent. Sure I still use other online sellers for one-offs here and there, but consolidation has a handiness factor.

  17. Business accounts are also getting dinged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Business accounts that used have free Prime (when over the $50 limit or whatever) have also been chopped. No more Prime unless you fork out the monthly dough. Fuck that, I wouldn't even have a business account without that, bite me! Bye!

  18. Is Prime worth it? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    I have a trial membership right now. I don't think I will stay with it.

    To get the two hour food delivery, with no additional charges, I have to put together a $35+ order. Otherwise it's an extra $5. I thought I might have use of this, but I don't.

    The video selection is not that great.

    I can usually put together a $35 order when I order from Amazon, so I get free delivery anyway.

    A lot of stuff on Amazon is significantly more expensive than what I would pay elsewhere.

    This is just my experience. I suppose it could be worth it to others.

  19. Naive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Naive.

  20. The new insulation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's the soy insulation cheap products use?

  21. Perfectly sustainable economics by zarmanto · · Score: 1

    ... So if the company is raising the fee, you can bet that it discovered the current $10.99 was just not sustainable. ...

    I honestly think the original authors reasoning here is rather a naive view of things, likely drawn directly from Amazon's press release where they attempted to justify the higher prices. It seems far more likely that the new $12.99 per month fee does exactly two things, and nothing more: 1) it only minimally impacts the number of users who will cancel their monthly Prime subscription, and 2) it positively impacts the number of customers who will upgrade their Prime subscription to the yearly model -- which cascades into improved long-term potential profits for Amazon, through increased customer spending over the course of the year. Honestly, it's one of the simplest economic formulae in the book: Increase the price until you've maximized profit potential.

    And make no mistake: those monthly fees were indeed already a profit center. If you think otherwise, than you're probably drinking a bit too heavily from Amazon's Kool-Aid.

    1. Re:Perfectly sustainable economics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The monthly fees are not always a profit center. There are clearly, as evidenced in this thread, many people who sign up for prime for a month with the intention of "saving" money. I don't know all the specific cases for when this works (see examples in this thread) but it does cost Amazon something to provide free and faster shipping. Presumably there is a point where these "prime for one month" people are winning (otherwise why would they even do it?).

  22. math? by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 0

    99/yr > 131.88/yr ? not sustainable? ppl only using prime when they want eg amazon not spending prime resources when not paid for? not sustainable? >_> idgi

  23. This is exactly why I come to /. by kenh · · Score: 1

    So if the company is raising the fee, you can bet that it discovered the current $10.99 was just not sustainable.

    This is exactly why I look to /., to provide me with just this sort of keen insight not available in the mainstream press... Thank you Captain Obvious!

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  24. Can't Even Cancel by sexconker · · Score: 1

    The cancellation link on the site is busted, and all other options for editing the membership fail. Hitting up support chat results in:

    I am sorry xxxxxxxxx. I've tried to cancel the membership. Since there is a technical error, We're unable to cancel the prime membership.

    Ripped all my credit cards out from my account and that managed to get the end date on Prime to show up for next month.

    I would've been on the annual membership but Amazon won't let me switch to it for some reason. Fuck em.

  25. Tried to cancel Prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at amazon.com and could not. I got a error message when attempting to cancel. I had the help line call me and the I canceled. Even then I had to wait in line.
    Simply not worth it any more - Seems like Amazon wants to push the annual instead of the monthly.

    1. Re:Tried to cancel Prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here! I think they underestimated the backlash!

  26. Seems obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the timing I would imagine that they had a lot of people signing up for one month in the November-December window just so they could get free shipping during the holidays and they dropped it. They probably lost a chunk of change on shipping from people who had a ton of packages shipped in such a short window.

  27. Not sustainable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How it the monthly fee rate not sustainable when it's 30+% higher than the pre-paid yearly rate? This seems to indicate an upcoming increase in the yearly rate then.

  28. Not in CANADA by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Try that on amazon.ca and let me know how it works. The only thing they have in Canada is "Amazon Family" which gives you 20% off diapers so in Canada their Prime offering is literally shit.

  29. How come the "BWM" comment doesn't apply? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    Just a few lines up in the daily email, there is "BMW's Apple CarPlay Annual Fee is Next-level Gouging" ; so how come this action doesn't also qualify as "next level gouging"?

    If you have Slashdot Advertising (I haven't seen that since some years before I started to use NoScript or even AdBlock; I guess there is still some advertising somewhere), then perhaps Amazon are bugger buyers than BMW. Or ... there is some other reason. But it's gouging nonetheless.

    I actually brought several things from Amazon last year. Three books, one new, as I recall. Despite being told to make it one delivery, it still required three visits to the post office to collect. Explain to me again the reason for this "Prime" crock?

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