How many generations of E. coli have been experimented with and subject it to an almost infinite variety of environmental stress? Has any of them ever had any time at all become something other than E. coli? There have been lots of bacteria that become immune to antibiotics and other stress, but they are still always basically the same kind. Evolution in the trans–species sense has never been observed at any time even once. Even with viruses there have never been any instances where one kind of virus transmuted into another kind, such as HIV into a cold-virus for example. There seem to be certain boundaries between different organisms that have never been crossed. There are lots of different breeds of dogs, but they're still all dogs. There are lots of different kinds of cats, but they're still always and forever cats.
Actually, gravity is still a deep mystery. That is why they built CERN. Nobody quite yet knows what it is about “mass” that gives rise to gravity, the weakest of all natural forces.
If you mean "origin evolution", then yeah. If you mean "evolution" as a widely accepted thing that actually happens all the time and is a major basis of all biology, then that's of pretty obvious value.
The word “evolution” is a very flexible word. I would call “evolution” that is happening today “adaptation”. Living things adapt to their environment, but fruit flies always remain fruit flies and E. coli bacteria always remain E. coli bacteria, no matter how many generations. They do however adapt, or evolve if you will, to a wide variety of environmental conditions such as resistance to pesticides and antibiotics.
The cultures surrounding Job in his day, believed that the earth was resting on the backs of turtles or elephants. Who told Job that modern scientific truth?
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the empty place, and He hung the earth on nothing.
What Job is describing here is what modern scientists call the “terminator”, which is circular. Who knew about this before modern rockets were invented?
Job 26:10 He has described a circle on the surface of the waters to the boundary of light with darkness.
There are a number of other examples I could give. The Bible does not contain any statement whatsoever that has been shown to be untrue by modern scientific DISCOVERIES or observations, not necessarily modern scientific theories.
You don't have to just accept it. Challenge it, test it, prove it invalid if you can. That is called science.
And the theory of evolution has been placed in that crucible and come out the other side intact, even if it is shaped a bit differently than it started.
There are two ways to obtain knowledge. One way is through discovery. That is called science and can be challenged by observation and experiment. However, a much more common way that most people obtain knowledge, is by revelation. If I tell you that I like the color blue, there is no way you can challenge that on scientific grounds. You either have to believe that I tell you the truth or disbelieve. Most of our knowledge and information comes from other people, starting with our parents. In the end, it is not nearly as important what you believe than whom you believe. This is especially important when studying history. You have to believe the people who wrote down what they heard and saw, the same way as a judge or jury has to believe or disbelieve testimony of eyewitnesses. There are very few things in life that can be “proven” to anyone who really does not want to believe. There are people today who say that the Holocaust never happened and no human being ever set foot on the moon. This is despite all the eye-witnesses, which includes films and recordings of these events.
Unfortunately most people don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "theory". Gravity is a theory, but for most intents and purposes it can be considered a fact. This lack of understanding makes it very hard to debate with people who are convinced that anything which is a theory must just be guesswork.
You can demonstrate gravity by jumping off a cliff for example, but how do you demonstrate something that supposedly happened 150 million years ago?
If someone gives you a gift, such as for example an iPad, what is the more important question to ask about it? Is it the question of how it came to be and how long it took to make it, or would you rather know how to use it and enjoy it? There is not a single human being on this planet that has brought themselves into being and made themselves alive, but it is a gift. Therefore, enjoy your gift of life and learn how to use it wisely.
Does the theory of natural selection still apply to human society today? If so, then why does anyone decry violence and war? After all, the one who is most violent and has the best weapons survives and therefore is the most fit. It is all very natural according to the theory of evolution.
There are no supernatural theories. They cannot exist as they are not testable and therefore not theories.
If you want to say myth or guess, just say so.
The only one who can dogmatically assert this, is someone who knows everything there is to know. Such a person or entity has traditionally been called God by human beings who definitely do not know everything there is to know. For every scientific answer there are 10 questions.
"...'The full extermination of jews' is not 'the arab viewpoint'..."
You are right about that, but it is the fundamentalist Islamist viewpoint. The Iranian Muslims hate Jews and they are not Arabs. The present head of their government has repeatedly said that this will is a cancer that should be eliminated. Most Arabs are Muslims and believe Mohammed's dictum to kill Jews.
So if I tear pages out of a magazine or book that have advertisements on it, I am violating copyright? If I change the channel or go to the bathroom while an advertisement is on TV, I am violating copyright? Is it possible that some lawyer somewhere will convince a judge somewhere that this is true? If so, it won't change a thing.
Is anyone really so naïve to think that terrorists who are willing to blow themselves up so they can have 72 virgins in the hereafter, care even one tiny little bit about MAD? MAD worked in the cold war because both sides wanted to live, not commit suicide for the glory of Allah.
The world wouldn't stand for the US invading Canada. Just like the entire middle east would swamp Israel if they tried to occupy Palestine.
In ancient times, there was an attempt to exterminate all Jews. You can read about how that turned out in the biblical book of Esther. In modern times, the Nazis had their final solution and the Holocaust attempting to wipe the Jews out. Next in the parade of history we have the Islamists that tried to exterminate Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973. It did not work then and it is not going to work now. In fact it will never work. God writes history in advance. Read Isaiah 17, where it clearly says that Damascus will be destroyed. After the war chronicled in advance in Ezekiel 38 and 39, the war of Armageddon takes place just north of Jerusalem. It is the final war of humanity. In the Bible it is written that ALL armies of ALL nations will participate and be destroyed by an invading army from outer space, namely the armies of heaven from God. After having cleansed the world from evil, Jesus Christ will rule over the whole earth. Jerusalem will be the capital city of the world.
The idea for an “eye for an eye” comes from the Bible. It is given as a limiting condition on the human propensity to escalate a pattern of revenge into a Hatfields versus McCoys perpetual feud. The Bible teaches that humans taking revenge is against God's law. (Romans 12:19) Vengeance never fixes the original wrong. A computer is only a tool and its use indeed does not enter into the equation at all.
Could it be that there is a difference between the brain and the mind/soul? That person's brain is like a computer, where all output circuits have burned out. The CPU and memory is still working. The keyboard is still active and any keystrokes are recognized by the CPU. Apparently this man's hearing is still working, otherwise he could not respond in any way that could be detected by an fMRI scan. I have heard that the sense of hearing is the last to shut down before death.
There are only 24 hours in each day for everybody. That time is valuable to some people never as enters the brain of these misguided liberals who tell everybody to take public transportation. Carrying home more than a small bag of groceries on the bus is also never thought about by these people. I really don't know what planet some of them live on.
There is a fundamental difference between software as used in computers and hardware objects such as drainage pipes, ditches and bridges. It can be shown mathematically whether a bridge construction will hold a certain weight or a pipe will sustain a given flow. This is not the case for software. Any reasonably complex software cannot be mathematically certified in any way shape or form to be secure or bug free. Even software that is used to control an airplane can only be tested and tested and tested and tested again. There is no way to prove that this software is correct and will actually do what it is supposed to in all possible situations. The title “software engineer” is just a fancy way of saying “programmer” in the same way as saying that a “janitor” is a “sanitary engineer”.
Are you really so naïve to think that the government cares about what is right or wrong? The will do whatever they think they can get away with. Apparently, at least so far, they have been getting away with doing things that are definitely not legal. If the government wants your stuff, virtual or physical, they will get it, because they have the biggest guns.
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How many generations of E. coli have been experimented with and subject it to an almost infinite variety of environmental stress? Has any of them ever had any time at all become something other than E. coli? There have been lots of bacteria that become immune to antibiotics and other stress, but they are still always basically the same kind. Evolution in the trans–species sense has never been observed at any time even once. Even with viruses there have never been any instances where one kind of virus transmuted into another kind, such as HIV into a cold-virus for example. There seem to be certain boundaries between different organisms that have never been crossed. There are lots of different breeds of dogs, but they're still all dogs. There are lots of different kinds of cats, but they're still always and forever cats.
Some people think that Pluto is a dog.
Actually, gravity is still a deep mystery. That is why they built CERN. Nobody quite yet knows what it is about “mass” that gives rise to gravity, the weakest of all natural forces.
If you mean "origin evolution", then yeah. If you mean "evolution" as a widely accepted thing that actually happens all the time and is a major basis of all biology, then that's of pretty obvious value.
The word “evolution” is a very flexible word. I would call “evolution” that is happening today “adaptation”. Living things adapt to their environment, but fruit flies always remain fruit flies and E. coli bacteria always remain E. coli bacteria, no matter how many generations. They do however adapt, or evolve if you will, to a wide variety of environmental conditions such as resistance to pesticides and antibiotics.
The cultures surrounding Job in his day, believed that the earth was resting on the backs of turtles or elephants. Who told Job that modern scientific truth?
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over the empty place, and He hung the earth on nothing.
What Job is describing here is what modern scientists call the “terminator”, which is circular. Who knew about this before modern rockets were invented?
Job 26:10 He has described a circle on the surface of the waters to the boundary of light with darkness.
There are a number of other examples I could give. The Bible does not contain any statement whatsoever that has been shown to be untrue by modern scientific DISCOVERIES or observations, not necessarily modern scientific theories.
You don't have to just accept it. Challenge it, test it, prove it invalid if you can. That is called science.
And the theory of evolution has been placed in that crucible and come out the other side intact, even if it is shaped a bit differently than it started.
There are two ways to obtain knowledge. One way is through discovery. That is called science and can be challenged by observation and experiment. However, a much more common way that most people obtain knowledge, is by revelation. If I tell you that I like the color blue, there is no way you can challenge that on scientific grounds. You either have to believe that I tell you the truth or disbelieve. Most of our knowledge and information comes from other people, starting with our parents. In the end, it is not nearly as important what you believe than whom you believe. This is especially important when studying history. You have to believe the people who wrote down what they heard and saw, the same way as a judge or jury has to believe or disbelieve testimony of eyewitnesses. There are very few things in life that can be “proven” to anyone who really does not want to believe. There are people today who say that the Holocaust never happened and no human being ever set foot on the moon. This is despite all the eye-witnesses, which includes films and recordings of these events.
Seriously, when you have to pass a law to ensure fairy tales aren't taught as facts in school, something is horribly wrong with society.
Seriously, when you have to pass a law to ensure fairy tales ARE taught as facts in school, something is horribly wrong with society.
There, fixed that for ya!
Unfortunately most people don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "theory". Gravity is a theory, but for most intents and purposes it can be considered a fact. This lack of understanding makes it very hard to debate with people who are convinced that anything which is a theory must just be guesswork.
You can demonstrate gravity by jumping off a cliff for example, but how do you demonstrate something that supposedly happened 150 million years ago?
If someone gives you a gift, such as for example an iPad, what is the more important question to ask about it? Is it the question of how it came to be and how long it took to make it, or would you rather know how to use it and enjoy it? There is not a single human being on this planet that has brought themselves into being and made themselves alive, but it is a gift. Therefore, enjoy your gift of life and learn how to use it wisely.
2. it may be that its in the realm of things that science can't address.
Give me 3 examples of things in that realm.
Explain scientifically:
1. Where does love come from?
2. Where does hate come from?
3. Why are most people on the earth religious?
Does the theory of natural selection still apply to human society today? If so, then why does anyone decry violence and war? After all, the one who is most violent and has the best weapons survives and therefore is the most fit. It is all very natural according to the theory of evolution.
There are no supernatural theories. They cannot exist as they are not testable and therefore not theories.
If you want to say myth or guess, just say so.
The only one who can dogmatically assert this, is someone who knows everything there is to know. Such a person or entity has traditionally been called God by human beings who definitely do not know everything there is to know. For every scientific answer there are 10 questions.
Why does any control system have to be connected in such a way as to be accessible by some hacker in Russia or who knows where?
"...'The full extermination of jews' is not 'the arab viewpoint'..."
You are right about that, but it is the fundamentalist Islamist viewpoint. The Iranian Muslims hate Jews and they are not Arabs. The present head of their government has repeatedly said that this will is a cancer that should be eliminated. Most Arabs are Muslims and believe Mohammed's dictum to kill Jews.
Since when is clicking a button on a screen and a legally binding agreement?
So if I tear pages out of a magazine or book that have advertisements on it, I am violating copyright? If I change the channel or go to the bathroom while an advertisement is on TV, I am violating copyright? Is it possible that some lawyer somewhere will convince a judge somewhere that this is true? If so, it won't change a thing.
"...Of course none of that is our fault, we just buy Chinese TVs, mobile phones, laptops..."
Where can I buy one of the above devices that is NOT made in some country other than the good old USA?
Is anyone really so naïve to think that terrorists who are willing to blow themselves up so they can have 72 virgins in the hereafter, care even one tiny little bit about MAD? MAD worked in the cold war because both sides wanted to live, not commit suicide for the glory of Allah.
The world wouldn't stand for the US invading Canada.
Just like the entire middle east would swamp Israel if they tried to occupy Palestine.
In ancient times, there was an attempt to exterminate all Jews. You can read about how that turned out in the biblical book of Esther. In modern times, the Nazis had their final solution and the Holocaust attempting to wipe the Jews out. Next in the parade of history we have the Islamists that tried to exterminate Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973. It did not work then and it is not going to work now. In fact it will never work. God writes history in advance. Read Isaiah 17, where it clearly says that Damascus will be destroyed. After the war chronicled in advance in Ezekiel 38 and 39, the war of Armageddon takes place just north of Jerusalem. It is the final war of humanity. In the Bible it is written that ALL armies of ALL nations will participate and be destroyed by an invading army from outer space, namely the armies of heaven from God. After having cleansed the world from evil, Jesus Christ will rule over the whole earth. Jerusalem will be the capital city of the world.
The idea for an “eye for an eye” comes from the Bible. It is given as a limiting condition on the human propensity to escalate a pattern of revenge into a Hatfields versus McCoys perpetual feud. The Bible teaches that humans taking revenge is against God's law. (Romans 12:19) Vengeance never fixes the original wrong. A computer is only a tool and its use indeed does not enter into the equation at all.
Could it be that there is a difference between the brain and the mind/soul? That person's brain is like a computer, where all output circuits have burned out. The CPU and memory is still working. The keyboard is still active and any keystrokes are recognized by the CPU. Apparently this man's hearing is still working, otherwise he could not respond in any way that could be detected by an fMRI scan. I have heard that the sense of hearing is the last to shut down before death.
There are only 24 hours in each day for everybody. That time is valuable to some people never as enters the brain of these misguided liberals who tell everybody to take public transportation. Carrying home more than a small bag of groceries on the bus is also never thought about by these people. I really don't know what planet some of them live on.
I have a friend who builds houses in subdivisions. He calls himself a “developer”.
There is a fundamental difference between software as used in computers and hardware objects such as drainage pipes, ditches and bridges. It can be shown mathematically whether a bridge construction will hold a certain weight or a pipe will sustain a given flow. This is not the case for software. Any reasonably complex software cannot be mathematically certified in any way shape or form to be secure or bug free. Even software that is used to control an airplane can only be tested and tested and tested and tested again. There is no way to prove that this software is correct and will actually do what it is supposed to in all possible situations. The title “software engineer” is just a fancy way of saying “programmer” in the same way as saying that a “janitor” is a “sanitary engineer”.
Engineers drive trains. Software engineers drive computers. Programmers program computers.
Are you really so naïve to think that the government cares about what is right or wrong? The will do whatever they think they can get away with. Apparently, at least so far, they have been getting away with doing things that are definitely not legal. If the government wants your stuff, virtual or physical, they will get it, because they have the biggest guns.