I think geekoid meant that Verizon would have incurred expenses in carrying the messages which they would have to eat, as customers would refuse to pay to receive unsolicited advertising and could probably succeed in getting the charges waived. Plus, there would be a much larger cost caused by processing all the complaints and reversals. Well-run businesses do not spend money when they see no reasonable expectation of benefit to themselves.
Sure, choice is good. *My* "desktop environment" is "xsetroot -solid steelblue" plus a few lines in.fvwm2rc. But I do like having the app.s similar enough that I don't have to waste brainpower thinking about issues that have nothing to do with what I'm trying to accomplish. If I notice the user interface at all, that's bad.
If you want to protect your business, tell the story your way now; don't wait until it comes out anyway and someone else, without your love for your business, tells it his way.
If you have a problem and you tell me about it, I'll probably forgive you; if you try to cover it up, I'll be gone forever as soon as I find out about it.
Or suppose someone neatly opens and starts your car, goes joyriding with it, takes good care of it, and fills the gas tank before bringing it back. Nothing was damaged and all consumables were replaced, but you still lost the use of the vehicle for a time and that is wrong.
It doesn't matter what some stealthy program does; if it enters my computer and uses it for any purpose whatsoever without my permission, that is wrong and I *will* take offense.
My servers have no sound hardware and no reason to ever make a sound more complex than "beep", so I'd love to be able to configure all sound support out of the system.
Of course, if proper keyboard accelerators are provided, button order is immaterial.
Seriously. I may choose to use the mouse for some things, but every time I am *required* to go grab the mouse I count it as a design deficiency. Unless I'm sketching, I shouldn't have to take either hand off the keyboard for *any* interaction with the software.
Indeed, the reason Motif and MS Windows resemble one another is that they both learned a lot from TopView.:-} IBM's user interface guidelines (whatever the heck the name was) have influenced far more systems than many realize.
Although I've argued a bit on this, I'm coming to the conclusion that the only agreement possible is agreement to disagree. Some people make visual concerns paramount, others ergonomic concerns, some lexical concerns, etc. Different styles of thinking is where a lot of software design decisions start, and no one is going to convince anyone else to switch his style of thinking merely by talking.
I see what you mean. Some of our hired help in D.C. are lazy and want to just ban the tools rather than train people to use them responsibly. Fortunately a number of contracts are expiring and there's a job fair coming up in November.:-]
Yeah, publish something only on P2P and I'll never see it, nor will anyone else who thinks it imprudent to trawl through a mountain of medical waste bare-handed in the hope of finding a nice gold ring.
Scofflaws have been far more effective in suppressing the potential of P2P than "the government" will ever be. I don't want that stuff anywhere near my computer.
Exactly. It's not "their own information" because there is no "they". It's *our* own information; we just hired some people to take care of it for us. (Yes, I do remember that there's a world outside of the U.S. borders, but this story ain't about you.)
If some of our hirelings sometimes act as if they don't see things that way, all the more reason for the rest of us to make sure that we act as though we do.
"Pretext?" As in, "I'm certain that as soon as someone drags a passerby into an alley and whacks him in the head with a brick, this will be used as a pretext to apply all kinds of anti-mugging laws to the city streets?"
As in, "as soon as somebody uses the network to commit a crime, the police will feel moved to enforce the laws they swore to uphold?"
Let's see. I could go into my home office, lock the door, and play on my very sharp, very fast computer monitor, at 1024 lines, with nothing between the CPU and the screen but 2m of cable. Or, I could fight for time on the family TV set, with its slow, fuzzy image, through a lashup to convert the picture to RF so it can be reconverted, at 525 lines. Boy howdy, I just can't wait for that lower quality experience.
Guys'n'gals, just because integrating a sports car and a furniture van is possible doesn't mean it makes sense. (See _National Lampoon's Vacation_ if you want a look at the resulting vehicle.) I for one have been working hard to keep my computing and TV viewing activities as far apart as possible. (And I don't want either one to migrate into my refrigerator door either!)
Ahhh, but if you have a contract with the old company, that company's obligations under said contract are part of what the new company bought and they must honor them or face action for breach of contract. Under the usual T&C though the new company is free to change the deal and do whatever they want with your information.
That's the real problem with a buyout -- you may trust the current owners, but you agreed to trust them *and anyone the company or any portion of its assets is ever sold to*. (This begins to sound like the standard AIDS lecture, probably for a good reason.) We need more leverage to insist that our trading partners practice safe commerce, and it begins with having an agreement that doesn't morph whenever and however the partner chooses.
I never tried living and working there, but I have visited. I can say that there is some great scenery, the culture is understandable to an ignorant Yank, it does *not* snow all year 'round, and I never met any Canadian who was like Red Green.
Indeed, people who treat you nicely for business reasons are not friends. The enemy of my enemy will turn around and bite me at the moment changes in his situation makes that profitable.
Business is not a social setting; it is combat without the knives. Watch your back.
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How about an "okay, sell my name to all and sundry, but I get 10% of the gross" list?
Extradition, shmextradition. I'd be quite happy to see those guys handed over to the FSB.
I think geekoid meant that Verizon would have incurred expenses in carrying the messages which they would have to eat, as customers would refuse to pay to receive unsolicited advertising and could probably succeed in getting the charges waived. Plus, there would be a much larger cost caused by processing all the complaints and reversals. Well-run businesses do not spend money when they see no reasonable expectation of benefit to themselves.
Sure, choice is good. *My* "desktop environment" is "xsetroot -solid steelblue" plus a few lines in .fvwm2rc. But I do like having the app.s similar enough that I don't have to waste brainpower thinking about issues that have nothing to do with what I'm trying to accomplish. If I notice the user interface at all, that's bad.
If you want to protect your business, tell the story your way now; don't wait until it comes out anyway and someone else, without your love for your business, tells it his way.
If you have a problem and you tell me about it, I'll probably forgive you; if you try to cover it up, I'll be gone forever as soon as I find out about it.
FreeVMS. Or if you wait long enough I might actually get around to writing that "VMS-like-but-not-a-clone" OS I keep mumbling about.
Or suppose someone neatly opens and starts your car, goes joyriding with it, takes good care of it, and fills the gas tank before bringing it back. Nothing was damaged and all consumables were replaced, but you still lost the use of the vehicle for a time and that is wrong.
It doesn't matter what some stealthy program does; if it enters my computer and uses it for any purpose whatsoever without my permission, that is wrong and I *will* take offense.
My servers have no sound hardware and no reason to ever make a sound more complex than "beep", so I'd love to be able to configure all sound support out of the system.
Of course, if proper keyboard accelerators are provided, button order is immaterial.
:-)
Seriously. I may choose to use the mouse for some things, but every time I am *required* to go grab the mouse I count it as a design deficiency. Unless I'm sketching, I shouldn't have to take either hand off the keyboard for *any* interaction with the software.
There. Now you all have a common enemy.
Indeed, the reason Motif and MS Windows resemble one another is that they both learned a lot from TopView. :-} IBM's user interface guidelines (whatever the heck the name was) have influenced far more systems than many realize.
Although I've argued a bit on this, I'm coming to the conclusion that the only agreement possible is agreement to disagree. Some people make visual concerns paramount, others ergonomic concerns, some lexical concerns, etc. Different styles of thinking is where a lot of software design decisions start, and no one is going to convince anyone else to switch his style of thinking merely by talking.
"Where is the pointer" is trivial compared to "where is the user's attention".
I'd settle for "it no longer takes a trillion cycles just to start a single stinkin' application".
...that "normal email" means "everything goes through my ISP's server." Wrong.
I see what you mean. Some of our hired help in D.C. are lazy and want to just ban the tools rather than train people to use them responsibly. Fortunately a number of contracts are expiring and there's a job fair coming up in November. :-]
Yeah, publish something only on P2P and I'll never see it, nor will anyone else who thinks it imprudent to trawl through a mountain of medical waste bare-handed in the hope of finding a nice gold ring.
Scofflaws have been far more effective in suppressing the potential of P2P than "the government" will ever be. I don't want that stuff anywhere near my computer.
"This is EXACTLY why I'm voting for Busch in the Fall."
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Exactly. It's not "their own information" because there is no "they". It's *our* own information; we just hired some people to take care of it for us. (Yes, I do remember that there's a world outside of the U.S. borders, but this story ain't about you.)
If some of our hirelings sometimes act as if they don't see things that way, all the more reason for the rest of us to make sure that we act as though we do.
"Pretext?" As in, "I'm certain that as soon as someone drags a passerby into an alley and whacks him in the head with a brick, this will be used as a pretext to apply all kinds of anti-mugging laws to the city streets?"
As in, "as soon as somebody uses the network to commit a crime, the police will feel moved to enforce the laws they swore to uphold?"
Let's see. I could go into my home office, lock the door, and play on my very sharp, very fast computer monitor, at 1024 lines, with nothing between the CPU and the screen but 2m of cable. Or, I could fight for time on the family TV set, with its slow, fuzzy image, through a lashup to convert the picture to RF so it can be reconverted, at 525 lines. Boy howdy, I just can't wait for that lower quality experience.
Guys'n'gals, just because integrating a sports car and a furniture van is possible doesn't mean it makes sense. (See _National Lampoon's Vacation_ if you want a look at the resulting vehicle.) I for one have been working hard to keep my computing and TV viewing activities as far apart as possible. (And I don't want either one to migrate into my refrigerator door either!)
Ahhh, but if you have a contract with the old company, that company's obligations under said contract are part of what the new company bought and they must honor them or face action for breach of contract. Under the usual T&C though the new company is free to change the deal and do whatever they want with your information.
That's the real problem with a buyout -- you may trust the current owners, but you agreed to trust them *and anyone the company or any portion of its assets is ever sold to*. (This begins to sound like the standard AIDS lecture, probably for a good reason.) We need more leverage to insist that our trading partners practice safe commerce, and it begins with having an agreement that doesn't morph whenever and however the partner chooses.
I never tried living and working there, but I have visited. I can say that there is some great scenery, the culture is understandable to an ignorant Yank, it does *not* snow all year 'round, and I never met any Canadian who was like Red Green.
"Selling IP connected to one or more of these lawsuits to another party (say Microsoft) means the lawsuit goes on in some form."
Unless IBM makes the best offer. SCOX may be worth more dead than alive.
How much work is it to go see it on Groklaw?
Indeed, people who treat you nicely for business reasons are not friends. The enemy of my enemy will turn around and bite me at the moment changes in his situation makes that profitable.
Business is not a social setting; it is combat without the knives. Watch your back.