I have to agree. Just think how difficult it is some people to get their broadband to work and all differnt kind software & hardware there is sold. Even I have many times, and I'm sort of nerd.
Now imagine that those people will concentrate all their tv watching, recording etc. to one computer....why would people go to look for more trouble? I just can't see all non-nerds rushing to store buying this idea. Heck, even I don't like and I use linux and do programming.
And what about the rest of family if you don't live alone? One central hub means usually one access point too.
Yep, and main reason is the opening of telecommunications sector in those countries to competition which coincided with ability to do cellular
phones - and ability agree on technical standards that
helped to forms standards which were technically
sound. GSM was reliable from day one I started
to use in here Finland.
Much more reliable than internet connections I've
used much longer btw.....
There was no mail programs for office that was recommended in arcticle. Or did I miss it? Whatever the case, I think decent email client is pretty important for office.
Is there one comparable for OE? And no, I don't mean it's flaws but interface.
Is there a easy mail program for linux that can do well folders, threated messages. PGP. filtering, have address book, handle attachments and isn't Emacs/Gnus based?
Mozila seems to lose mail and news with me so I so I don't count it as a mailprogram yet. .
I think the new MS licencing scheme makes
it appealing for large organisations to switch
Linux.
Training cost I think will come back
due time as software is free. And
you don' t need to upgrade each
and every computer.
Can't see how it could anyway become more
expensive than MS OS with Office back,
Exchange, Windows XP licences, Server
Licences + new hardware .
Windows 2000 certainly doesn't run
fast with below 128 MB. If you think
so, you're not running lot of stuff or
you have some hot processor.
Mine with 64 MB stopped to crawl and started
to use furiously swap after bootin,
if I just opened IE and OE same time.
Minium I'd run it were 128 mb, but more
better. Atleast I have 192 MB because sheer
necessity. I don't see 128 mb a serious option.
I don't know who does usability testing, but I know I'm below average or average user of Linux.
What little I've used more newbie friendly Linuxes(like Red Hat) suggest me that their
problems is that they have nice GUI that people come dependant quickly, but which hides
the things they shoud learn. The GUI also isn't often one GUI, it is zig zagging combination
of small applications that all have diffrent GUIs, and who functions sometimes overlapp while on the otherhand they also miss some fundamental functions.
Also for newbie, linux is confusing as some things are automated
and others aren't. Just think installing a package. Installing can be automatic, but unlike MS
products you don't get the package to some menu unless one has right windows manager with right settings. Small newbie problem, but simple and annoying.
Basically linux is easy to install(if distro and hardware agree they suit each other that is ) but after
that comes steep drop as users are left disoriented for reasons I say above and below.
And the hardware....achilles heel of Linux. Not that lot of would not work when it has drivers, but there are lot of things that don't work. Or when they work getting them to work right can sometimes be pure pain. I think network cards, audio and videocards are propably things that cause most problems. I for example didn't get my one computers network card to function with Linux at all, luckily I could switch them between computers. And audio card really seems to hate me with linux.And x-windows works but in my case gmc won't start under gnome. This all can be partly distro related, but there are lot of distros with diffrent problems between diffrent evolutions of them . How newbie is to know about them all beforehand to know which suits best for his hardware?
Admitted, same areas(multimedia and network hardware) are quite problematic under Windows too. Diffrence is that newbie may not know with linux where the problem is or how to look for it. Some newbies may just be unaware that something isn't supported under his distro because he either doesn't get any input of problems and doesn't know from where to look. And just gets frustrated
as he doesn't know at all is the problem with computer, user or linux. After all, he can't many cases go to hardware purchasers web page or person who sold linux distro(if he even bought it that is)to him to get some answers. With Windows, he atleast could get good answers why something doesn't
work or why it should work(but still doesn't).
Not that this all would matter as I use my Linux as a server which works excellently. Infact I just right now sit on front of Windows 2000 and use linux Mozilla over local network. Works beautifully. If I just would get sound to this end from Linux and scandianvian keybmap supported in VNC it all would be perfect.
To make clear, I like Linux. I for example couldn't think switching my Debian server to MS product.
Infact I wouldn't mind moving totally to linux otherwise too, but like some people have noted,
learning linux isn't awfully cost effiecient business for not-so-gifted computer users and there are GOOD reasons why lot of people are kept on Windows side what comes rest of society. For example I've done some DTP myself and in my opionion home printing/photographing has done big leaps lately what comes to computers. I'd be left out of both if I would use Linux only. Or atleast limit myself in both respect.
I use both gladly, and won't migrate to XP from Windows 2000 until I'm assured that XP::
a) offers something that I absolutely need and reasons isn't Microsoft.
b) it's new multimedia features won't crash the whole machine
c) is as stable as Windows 2000
d) doesn't restrict me to do less than with Windows 2000
>Opt-in really is no better than opt-out -- any >idiot who has a grudge against you can submit >your name to 1000 sites for registration and all >of a sudden your mailbox is unusable. Not only >that, then your address gets sold and you get >spammed to death.
There is EU law that forbids selling of
information to third parties without
a consent.
Point is that one can inform companies
that do this they have no right to do it,
it is against law and if they don't change
their behaviour officials will be in their neck.
Of course, provided they are in EU area that is
and it is a real company that is doing
spamming.
Antti
'Win2K adoption is running less than half what was predicted, and far less than Microsoft was hoping.'
It is good note that all PC sales are
slipping at this year. YK2 left companies
wallets closed. It is just bad timing.
In year I suspect Wk2 will kick in.
Antti
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I have to agree. Just think how difficult
it is some people to get their broadband to work
and all differnt kind software & hardware
there is sold. Even I have many times, and
I'm sort of nerd.
Now imagine that those people will concentrate
all their tv watching, recording etc. to one
computer....why would people go to
look for more trouble?
I just can't see all non-nerds rushing to store
buying this idea. Heck, even I don't like and
I use linux and do programming.
And what about the rest of family if you don't
live alone? One central hub means usually one access point too.
Can't see what problem or need this is solving.
Yep, and main reason is the opening of telecommunications sector in those countries to competition which coincided with ability to do cellular
phones - and ability agree on technical standards that
helped to forms standards which were technically
sound. GSM was reliable from day one I started
to use in here Finland.
Much more reliable than internet connections I've
used much longer btw.....
Problem propably is that under Realtek 8139 are
actually diffrent cards. Far as I've understood, some cards
labeled Realtek 8139 are not same stock..
I have 3 Realtek cards, two 8139 and one 8029,
and besides last model, they all work
just fine under Debian.
But what I've heard, some cards labeled Realtek 8139 cards really don't workwith Debian/linux.
There was no mail programs for office that was recommended in arcticle. Or did I miss it? Whatever the case, I think decent email client is pretty important for office.
Is there one comparable for OE? And no, I don't mean it's flaws but interface.
Is there a easy mail program for linux that can do well folders, threated messages. PGP. filtering, have address book, handle attachments and isn't Emacs/Gnus based?
Mozila seems to lose mail and news with me so I so I don't count it as a mailprogram yet. .
I think the new MS licencing scheme makes
it appealing for large organisations to switch
Linux.
Training cost I think will come back
due time as software is free. And
you don' t need to upgrade each
and every computer.
Can't see how it could anyway become more
expensive than MS OS with Office back,
Exchange, Windows XP licences, Server
Licences + new hardware .
Windows 2000 certainly doesn't run
fast with below 128 MB. If you think
so, you're not running lot of stuff or
you have some hot processor.
Mine with 64 MB stopped to crawl and started
to use furiously swap after bootin,
if I just opened IE and OE same time.
Minium I'd run it were 128 mb, but more
better. Atleast I have 192 MB because sheer
necessity. I don't see 128 mb a serious option.
I don't know who does usability testing, but I know I'm below average or average user of Linux.
What little I've used more newbie friendly Linuxes(like Red Hat) suggest me that their
problems is that they have nice GUI that people come dependant quickly, but which hides
the things they shoud learn. The GUI also isn't often one GUI, it is zig zagging combination
of small applications that all have diffrent GUIs, and who functions sometimes overlapp while on the otherhand they also miss some fundamental functions.
Also for newbie, linux is confusing as some things are automated
and others aren't. Just think installing a package. Installing can be automatic, but unlike MS
products you don't get the package to some menu unless one has right windows manager with right settings. Small newbie problem, but simple and annoying.
Basically linux is easy to install(if distro and hardware agree they suit each other that is ) but after
that comes steep drop as users are left disoriented for reasons I say above and below.
And the hardware....achilles heel of Linux. Not that lot of would not work when it has drivers, but there are lot of things that don't work. Or when they work getting them to work right can sometimes be pure pain. I think network cards, audio and videocards are propably things that cause most problems. I for example didn't get my one computers network card to function with Linux at all, luckily I could switch them between computers. And audio card really seems to hate me with linux.And x-windows works but in my case gmc won't start under gnome. This all can be partly distro related, but there are lot of distros with diffrent problems between diffrent evolutions of them . How newbie is to know about them all beforehand to know which suits best for his hardware?
Admitted, same areas(multimedia and network hardware) are quite problematic under Windows too. Diffrence is that newbie may not know with linux where the problem is or how to look for it. Some newbies may just be unaware that something isn't supported under his distro because he either doesn't get any input of problems and doesn't know from where to look. And just gets frustrated
as he doesn't know at all is the problem with computer, user or linux. After all, he can't many cases go to hardware purchasers web page or person who sold linux distro(if he even bought it that is)to him to get some answers. With Windows, he atleast could get good answers why something doesn't
work or why it should work(but still doesn't).
Not that this all would matter as I use my Linux as a server which works excellently. Infact I just right now sit on front of Windows 2000 and use linux Mozilla over local network. Works beautifully. If I just would get sound to this end from Linux and scandianvian keybmap supported in VNC it all would be perfect.
To make clear, I like Linux. I for example couldn't think switching my Debian server to MS product.
Infact I wouldn't mind moving totally to linux otherwise too, but like some people have noted,
learning linux isn't awfully cost effiecient business for not-so-gifted computer users and there are GOOD reasons why lot of people are kept on Windows side what comes rest of society. For example I've done some DTP myself and in my opionion home printing/photographing has done big leaps lately what comes to computers. I'd be left out of both if I would use Linux only. Or atleast limit myself in both respect.
I use both gladly, and won't migrate to XP from Windows 2000 until I'm assured that XP::
a) offers something that I absolutely need and reasons isn't Microsoft.
b) it's new multimedia features won't crash the whole machine
c) is as stable as Windows 2000
d) doesn't restrict me to do less than with Windows 2000
>Opt-in really is no better than opt-out -- any >idiot who has a grudge against you can submit >your name to 1000 sites for registration and all >of a sudden your mailbox is unusable. Not only >that, then your address gets sold and you get >spammed to death. There is EU law that forbids selling of information to third parties without a consent. Point is that one can inform companies that do this they have no right to do it, it is against law and if they don't change their behaviour officials will be in their neck. Of course, provided they are in EU area that is and it is a real company that is doing spamming. Antti
'Win2K adoption is running less than half what was predicted, and far less than Microsoft was hoping.' It is good note that all PC sales are slipping at this year. YK2 left companies wallets closed. It is just bad timing. In year I suspect Wk2 will kick in. Antti