It may seem obvious but it's not the case. I was just making an observation about how the tables have turned... again. Clearly that observation would cause some to foam at the mouth but that's life, it doesn't mean that I'm trying to incite something.
Ad Homeniem attacks, on the other hand, are clearly trollish in nature.
You're taking it in a derogatory manner. I actually wa being playful with the word Microsofties. Part of growing up is seeking clarifications as opposed to jumping to conclusions. My post was a reaction to the people who went on and on about the Mozilla bug in order to defend IE but in the days since IE and Microsoft have seen a number of issues arise that are at least as serious but greater in number.
Is the best that they can do to tell people to grow up or is that just your problem?
Yeah I know, that's why I called it fleeting. But the people whining about the two years between when this was thought of to when it was actually addressed had to grasp for whatever straws they could.
ASP.NET in and of itself does not require IE. I develop ASP.NET apps using Mozilla as the primary browser. Sure there are ways to capitalize on IE but it is by no means a requirement unless you choose to make it one.
The answer that my limited reasearch hasn't been able to find is whether my VB.NET assemblies and user controls will work. Since I think the assemblies are compiled down to the CL I'm pretty sure that the answer is yes, I just want to know for sure. My God I would love to run a.NET server without all of the other Windows overhead and security headaches.
Your point about benchmarks is well taken but Photoshop on the PC is very SMP aware and would show significant differences on the Opteron chips. If it isn't on the Mac, which I highly doubt, then that would be considered an advantage (of sorts, as the G5 performs pretty well in the current state) for the PC platform.
In the end it's all academic, but Apple is notorious for making benchmarks even more unreliable than they are by nature.
You have to take into the consideration that Intel chips are notably handicapped in Dual CPU configurations. Both chips inefficiently share the same memory bus which on a XEON is only 533 MHz. The Opterons have direct access to the memory via the onboard memory controllers and the chips also have dedicated links to one another. Apple is using this technology to a small extent in the G5.
The clock speed argument is moot because all of these chips are supposed to represent the top of the line so we need to compare them all as is. Apple should be careful because people get insane overclocks on P4s and Athlons these days. Especially P4s. It just seems to have been an assumption up until now that using water cooling is a bit of a cop out WRT retail CPUs.
This is not a troll but, most PC users don't give a damn about running OS X. Many Mac users can only justify their choice of a computer by running Windows. That is to say that if they couldn't run Windows apps, they wouldn't be able to survive on just as Mac - particularly in the workplace.
If there was a huge demand for Mac emulation on Windows, it would have been done by not.
I'll say... only one of the PCs is dual processor, and its a XEON which scales for crap. Put a dual Opteron system there and see how much faster the G5 is. Knowing Photoshop and Apple, it will be faster, but not nearly what that ridiculously slanted (against AMD anyway) chart shows.
Uh yeah, notice that they are comparing a Dual G5 to an FX53 which can only run as a single CPU. They could at least go grab a BOXX dual Opteron system to maintain a shred of credibility.
I should say correct HTML is accessible almost by nature. If somebody considers themself a professional designer, I would hope that the basic tenets of standard HTML would be part of the default toolset.
Ahh... but what did The Architect say about hope...
Yes to everything except the Vector Graphics. XUL is basically using web markup to build an interface. The most famous XUL example (outside of Mozilla / Fire* of course) is the Mozilla Amazon Browser.
Then there are accessibility laws. Flash is not acessible to the blind. Properly written html is acessible.
Actually the newer versions of Flash are accessible but it takes a bit of effort by the developer to make sure that it all jibes. HTML is accessible almost by nature, but there are certainly things that the developer has to be cognizant of there as well to truly fit that goal.
My God you totally read my mind. This sounds like going through a whole lot of trouble to replicate the same problems. I guess the advantage would be that it starts out supporting a core level of technologies that current browsers don't, but I fail to see how it would avoid a situation analagous to the current one with respect to keeping everyone current with new developments over time.
Also, the spyware problem is more of an IE issue. And if I'm not mistaken , some of the more annoying spyware apps won't properly install if you dont run under an admin account. Win98 is practically always running under an admin account unless you're screwing with policies.
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It may seem obvious but it's not the case. I was just making an observation about how the tables have turned... again. Clearly that observation would cause some to foam at the mouth but that's life, it doesn't mean that I'm trying to incite something.
Ad Homeniem attacks, on the other hand, are clearly trollish in nature.
Clearly your feeble mind is already made up so I'll stop responding to your dribble here.
Have a nice day.
You're taking it in a derogatory manner. I actually wa being playful with the word Microsofties. Part of growing up is seeking clarifications as opposed to jumping to conclusions. My post was a reaction to the people who went on and on about the Mozilla bug in order to defend IE but in the days since IE and Microsoft have seen a number of issues arise that are at least as serious but greater in number.
Is the best that they can do to tell people to grow up or is that just your problem?
apologist n.
A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.
I stand by my comment.
Yeah I know, that's why I called it fleeting. But the people whining about the two years between when this was thought of to when it was actually addressed had to grasp for whatever straws they could.
The other side is running from Redwood trunks...
I know, but I never trust the client, especially if it's IE.
Use the autoupdate feature. Patches (generally) only come out once a month.
ASP.NET in and of itself does not require IE. I develop ASP.NET apps using Mozilla as the primary browser. Sure there are ways to capitalize on IE but it is by no means a requirement unless you choose to make it one.
As soon as the IE apologists had a reason - a fleeting one, but a reason still - to act like IE wasn't so bad... the floodgates open.
kiss@ass.com is a personal fav of mine. Only one character shorter and has the bonus of telling the site how I feel about giving out my email address.
Microsoft's Visual J++ went from 1.0 to 6.0 in one revision.
What language did you use?
.NET server without all of the other Windows overhead and security headaches.
The answer that my limited reasearch hasn't been able to find is whether my VB.NET assemblies and user controls will work. Since I think the assemblies are compiled down to the CL I'm pretty sure that the answer is yes, I just want to know for sure. My God I would love to run a
It used TCP/IP. They started using UDP in Q3 for speed purposes.
Your point about benchmarks is well taken but Photoshop on the PC is very SMP aware and would show significant differences on the Opteron chips. If it isn't on the Mac, which I highly doubt, then that would be considered an advantage (of sorts, as the G5 performs pretty well in the current state) for the PC platform.
In the end it's all academic, but Apple is notorious for making benchmarks even more unreliable than they are by nature.
You have to take into the consideration that Intel chips are notably handicapped in Dual CPU configurations. Both chips inefficiently share the same memory bus which on a XEON is only 533 MHz. The Opterons have direct access to the memory via the onboard memory controllers and the chips also have dedicated links to one another. Apple is using this technology to a small extent in the G5.
The clock speed argument is moot because all of these chips are supposed to represent the top of the line so we need to compare them all as is. Apple should be careful because people get insane overclocks on P4s and Athlons these days. Especially P4s. It just seems to have been an assumption up until now that using water cooling is a bit of a cop out WRT retail CPUs.
This is not a troll but, most PC users don't give a damn about running OS X. Many Mac users can only justify their choice of a computer by running Windows. That is to say that if they couldn't run Windows apps, they wouldn't be able to survive on just as Mac - particularly in the workplace.
If there was a huge demand for Mac emulation on Windows, it would have been done by not.
Dude, if you're going to pay 3K for a Mac, you HAVE to get a cinema display. 17 inches @ 4:3 on that beast is sacrilege.
Of course, they might be biased :-)
I'll say... only one of the PCs is dual processor, and its a XEON which scales for crap. Put a dual Opteron system there and see how much faster the G5 is. Knowing Photoshop and Apple, it will be faster, but not nearly what that ridiculously slanted (against AMD anyway) chart shows.
Uh yeah, notice that they are comparing a Dual G5 to an FX53 which can only run as a single CPU. They could at least go grab a BOXX dual Opteron system to maintain a shred of credibility.
I should say correct HTML is accessible almost by nature. If somebody considers themself a professional designer, I would hope that the basic tenets of standard HTML would be part of the default toolset.
Ahh... but what did The Architect say about hope...
Yes to everything except the Vector Graphics. XUL is basically using web markup to build an interface. The most famous XUL example (outside of Mozilla / Fire* of course) is the Mozilla Amazon Browser.
IE on Windows supports them, but you have to hack it using JavaScript/DirectX.
Then there are accessibility laws. Flash is not acessible to the blind. Properly written html is acessible.
Actually the newer versions of Flash are accessible but it takes a bit of effort by the developer to make sure that it all jibes. HTML is accessible almost by nature, but there are certainly things that the developer has to be cognizant of there as well to truly fit that goal.
My God you totally read my mind. This sounds like going through a whole lot of trouble to replicate the same problems. I guess the advantage would be that it starts out supporting a core level of technologies that current browsers don't, but I fail to see how it would avoid a situation analagous to the current one with respect to keeping everyone current with new developments over time.
Support for newer hardware and applications.
Also, the spyware problem is more of an IE issue. And if I'm not mistaken , some of the more annoying spyware apps won't properly install if you dont run under an admin account. Win98 is practically always running under an admin account unless you're screwing with policies.