I'm in the market for a new machine to replace my 700Mhz athlon and have been seriously looking at AMD64, mobo, case, PS, 2 gig ram come in at about the same as I paid for my 286 system many years ago ($1250, it amazes me how 'puter have stayed at about the same price), an opteron for about $1550 well dressed
I thought that the biggest use of SCO was running verticle applications. Things like those terminals at resturants for orders, terminals at medical/dental/vet offices; you know Terminals over serial lines to character based terminals. The stuff that completely obsolete, curses based, not point and click
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As a user your rights are to be able to get the source code to the binaries you have, and to be able to freely distribute those binaries and source.
Presumably if you are a SCO linux user, you should be able to recieve the sources, i think their is a form you'll have to fill out and they'll send a set of sources for shipping and handling, if this actualy happens, I'll be suprised, but that's SCO theory.(my guess is your form will get "lost in the mail") Nobody can sell Linux, they can however sell documentation, support, packaging and charge reasonable fees for media, shipping. Nobody can force you to release derivitive works to the world at large, just the people who you've distributed to. (altho this is common practice for most linux companies, usualy thru FTP).
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from the article The non-compete agreement prohibits Novell from directly competing with SCO's Unix-on-Intel business,
Well Darl since, everybody knows that GNU's Not Unix how's that directly competing? Actualy the open group had on their site somewhere that I can't find now that windows NT would probably either certifiable as unix or could be with little effort; does that mean that Novel can't be a reseller of windows NT/2k/XP either.
Natural Philosophy constantly rakes in the Nobel Prizes without any real applications on the horizon.
Actualy Nobel Prizes have to be awarded for work of some practicality, that's why Einstein got his for the photo-electric effect rather than relativity.
Yes frequently the basic research has no practical use, but frequently the engineering and technology developed to conduct that basic reasearch is quite usefull on a practical basis.
You know the saying "When the elephants make love, the Mice hide." Linus always struck me as a regular guy who isn't necessarily comfortable being in the same room as a 75 pound hyena trying to bite a 12 ton space monster shooting laser beams out of his eyes.
IANAL but actualy Linus/Stallman might not have to obey the supenea, a supenea issue by a court in Utah to people living where ever they live. It would sort of be like you being supeneaed by an EU court in France when you are a German citizen; its definatly a talk to a real lawyer situation.
Of course it would look bad for them to just ignore the supenea, and much of the "substance" of what's going on seems to be looks rather than substance.
It is funny to think that SCO is going to pay travel expenses/and per diem to people they must think of as evil incarnate. Just asking RMS a simple question about the GPL could invoke an hours long rant!
IANAL. but I think that most courts not only demand that court papers that are electronicaly submitted are in a proprietary format i.e. MS Word, but they even specify font faces and sizes which are not in a standard install of windows.
This in effect not only makes the court a customer, but forces all doing business with them to be a customer as well.
By attempting to take over every single area of the software industry, they have bitten off way more than they can chew.
Not to mention that every software intallation or update creates a new system for all practical purposes, because every thing is so tightly integrated, and interdependent it's no wonder that simple changes have system-wide unintended side effects.
Find me a linux app that integrates with the most popular and widespread office suite in the world, that allows me to assign tasks, share calendars, keep track of documents/revisions, and has a zero learning curve for the entire office staff that's already standardized on an existing product?
Find me any app that can do the above with zero learning curve. If Microsoft had any product with zero learning curve, it would probably reduce their TCO 50-90%! Imagine replacing all of your exchange admins with wino's pulled off the street and have them be automagicaly proficient and productive!
I've used SuSE since about 6.1, and I've always thought that including non-GPL software was one of their strengths.
SuSE used KDE long before the QT libs became free SuSE included several commercial packages, normaly a limited version of packages aimed at much larger instalations than home users so we could try-before-we-buy.
YAST is the SuSE configuration/update program, and is proprietary it gives SuSE it's flavor, and actualy I don't like it, it's a bit slow and clunky for my tastes.
The bigest thing wrong with it is it reads and write all of the config file each time it's started or stopped rather than just whats necessary. Not having Yast as GPL'ed software isn't a big loss for free software.
well let's see
911, paid for out of taxes on the telephone lines in most places, fiber-to-door probably means more "lines" for 911 taxes;
Hospitals, these are not-for-profit corps in most cases, which means that if revenues increase, all of the MD's that drive Hummers on the board of directors will have to think of something else to spend money on or they might show a profit (A pay-raise for the board of directors maybe), a big no-no.
Local Schools, our local ISD intermediate school distric put in a fiber network county-wide just so the schools and libaries could have a high-speed connection; years before Comcast got the homes wired for any kind of broadband.
Road Maintence, twenty years ago when the roads were built, wasn't that something they might need years down the line?
One of the main reasons they could do this is they wanted to put in an automated system to read the power meters, rather then some guy going door to door.
That's a good point, there are probably a lot of things, that almost justify putting in a level of connectivity that can be combined so that each pays for a portion of the bandwidth things that could use part of the bandwidth
Alarm system, a septerate phoneline for the alarm is what about $45.00/mo for the line+taxes. Imagine with that much bandwidth the alarm co would be able to place camera's in stratigic locations to actualy view events in realtime to help firefighters and law enforcement in an emergency.
i have managed to successfully explain why open source programs are good to a number of non-programmers. Realy shouldn't be to difficult, didn't some guy named John F. Nash get a Nobel Prize in economics for basicaly the same thing?
Well OK the movie said it was about getting a bunch of nerd's laid, and how their chances would be imporved by cooperating, that's pretty much game theory and like open source code developement isn't it.
It is still, however, a b**** to install and maintain.
let me tell you about how I used to have to walk 5 miles to school, bare-foot through 4 feet of snow, uphill in both directions.
Seriously slackware 1.2 was a bitch to install, but I think 9.0 is current; My last install was SuSE 8.1 on xfs filesystem and it went pretty smoothly,
one try for the actual linux install,
X configure using sax2 took two tries all of the hardware was automatically identified and reasonable values used on the first try, second try gort me the resolutions I wanted.
My new boss on the other hand, installed WinXP, took him two days, he's probably installed windows a few thousand times.
maintenence, who does it?, desktop users, get serious.
In linux you do a automatic update, and the logs are rotated by a cron script, in windows you do an automatic update for the os, for your virus scanner, for your spyware detection and removal software; not much difference actualy.
how many software products are you buying for windows, that are all ready included in a linux distro? Probably a lot.
how many useful little utilities did you use with windows 95 that were slowly discontinued as you upgraded through win95 - win98 - winME to winXP? probably a lot.
how many times have you paid for hardware with bundled software that broke your windows system by installing crap DLL over top of good DLLs?
You're still thinking of software in terms of pay-per-copy rather than as a service
most software users in these markets would be orgasmic if all they needed to do was pay for the software; the majority of the expense is in the service contracts, hardware and software expenses are chicken feed compared to support!
advertiser have long tried to put metrics on advertisements, unfortunately it not posible. People do what people do and often forget that the motivator for a purchase was an ad they seen six months ago.
A classic was tab's bikini ad, girl in a bikini (only shown from neck to mid-thigh) walking on the beach holding a can of tab soft-drink, one one could remember what the product was, yet I'm sure it had a subconscious impact; especialy since it aired durring the middle sixties before the sexual revolution. Iwasn't even ten years old and I remember it.
I wonder how pissed everyone would get if sites highly filtered content based on if a banner ad was down-loaded to your IP address or not?
doing this wouldn't be to much of a burden to sites that sell their own advertising, but I can't see off the top of my head how somebody like linkshare or double-click would do it. I'm sure they could but It might take more than a simple log comparison to do it.
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How many systems running now are the same operating systems running since 1968?
it would probably surprise you.
I'm in the market for a new machine to replace my 700Mhz athlon and have been seriously looking at AMD64, mobo, case, PS, 2 gig ram come in at about the same as I paid for my 286 system many years ago ($1250, it amazes me how 'puter have stayed at about the same price), an opteron for about $1550 well dressed
SUSE LINUX 9.0
Full 64-Bit Power for Home Users - Only with SUSE LINUX 9.0 for AMD64 see SuSE for more details. It's a bit pricey at US$119.95.
I thought that the biggest use of SCO was running verticle applications. Things like those terminals at resturants for orders, terminals at medical/dental/vet offices; you know Terminals over serial lines to character based terminals. The stuff that completely obsolete, curses based, not point and click
As a user your rights are to be able to get the source code to the binaries you have, and to be able to freely distribute those binaries and source.
Presumably if you are a SCO linux user, you should be able to recieve the sources, i think their is a form you'll have to fill out and they'll send a set of sources for shipping and handling, if this actualy happens, I'll be suprised, but that's SCO theory.(my guess is your form will get "lost in the mail")
Nobody can sell Linux, they can however sell documentation, support, packaging and charge reasonable fees for media, shipping. Nobody can force you to release derivitive works to the world at large, just the people who you've distributed to. (altho this is common practice for most linux companies, usualy thru FTP).
from the article
The non-compete agreement prohibits Novell from directly competing with SCO's Unix-on-Intel business,
Well Darl since, everybody knows that GNU's Not Unix how's that directly competing? Actualy the open group had on their site somewhere that I can't find now that windows NT would probably either certifiable as unix or could be with little effort; does that mean that Novel can't be a reseller of windows NT/2k/XP either.
The general trend for accelerators is to straighten, early cyclotrons had a radius of a meter or so, now they are of kilometer radius.
before the cyclotron, accelerator were straight, and normaly used static electricity to provide the accelaeration just like a crt or crooke's tube
Natural Philosophy constantly rakes in the Nobel Prizes without any real applications on the horizon.
Actualy Nobel Prizes have to be awarded for work of some practicality, that's why Einstein got his for the photo-electric effect rather than relativity.
Yes frequently the basic research has no practical use, but frequently the engineering and technology developed to conduct that basic reasearch is quite usefull on a practical basis.
You know the saying "When the elephants make love, the Mice hide." Linus always struck me as a regular guy who isn't necessarily comfortable being in the same room as a 75 pound hyena trying to bite a 12 ton space monster shooting laser beams out of his eyes.
IANAL but actualy Linus/Stallman might not have to obey the supenea, a supenea issue by a court in Utah to people living where ever they live. It would sort of be like you being supeneaed by an EU court in France when you are a German citizen; its definatly a talk to a real lawyer situation.
Of course it would look bad for them to just ignore the supenea, and much of the "substance" of what's going on seems to be looks rather than substance.
It is funny to think that SCO is going to pay travel expenses/and per diem to people they must think of as evil incarnate. Just asking RMS a simple question about the GPL could invoke an hours long rant!
IANAL. but I think that most courts not only demand that court papers that are electronicaly submitted are in a proprietary format i.e. MS Word, but they even specify font faces and sizes which are not in a standard install of windows.
This in effect not only makes the court a customer, but forces all doing business with them to be a customer as well.
By attempting to take over every single area of the software industry, they have bitten off way more than they can chew.
Not to mention that every software intallation or update creates a new system for all practical purposes, because every thing is so tightly integrated, and interdependent it's no wonder that simple changes have system-wide unintended side effects.
Find me a linux app that integrates with the most popular and widespread office suite in the world, that allows me to assign tasks, share calendars, keep track of documents/revisions, and has a zero learning curve for the entire office staff that's already standardized on an existing product?
Find me any app that can do the above with zero learning curve. If Microsoft had any product with zero learning curve, it would probably reduce their TCO 50-90%! Imagine replacing all of your exchange admins with wino's pulled off the street and have them be automagicaly proficient and productive!
I've used SuSE since about 6.1, and I've always thought that including non-GPL software was one of their strengths.
SuSE used KDE long before the QT libs became free
SuSE included several commercial packages, normaly a limited version of packages aimed at much larger instalations than home users so we could try-before-we-buy.
YAST is the SuSE configuration/update program, and is proprietary it gives SuSE it's flavor, and actualy I don't like it, it's a bit slow and clunky for my tastes.
The bigest thing wrong with it is it reads and write all of the config file each time it's started or stopped rather than just whats necessary. Not having Yast as GPL'ed software isn't a big loss for free software.
well let's see
911, paid for out of taxes on the telephone lines in most places, fiber-to-door probably means more "lines" for 911 taxes;
Hospitals, these are not-for-profit corps in most cases, which means that if revenues increase, all of the MD's that drive Hummers on the board of directors will have to think of something else to spend money on or they might show a profit (A pay-raise for the board of directors maybe), a big no-no.
Local Schools, our local ISD intermediate school distric put in a fiber network county-wide just so the schools and libaries could have a high-speed connection; years before Comcast got the homes wired for any kind of broadband.
Road Maintence, twenty years ago when the roads were built, wasn't that something they might need years down the line?
One of the main reasons they could do this is they wanted to put in an automated system to read the power meters, rather then some guy going door to door.
That's a good point, there are probably a lot of things, that almost justify putting in a level of connectivity that can be combined so that each pays for a portion of the bandwidth things that could use part of the bandwidth
Alarm system, a septerate phoneline for the alarm is what about $45.00/mo for the line+taxes. Imagine with that much bandwidth the alarm co would be able to place camera's in stratigic locations to actualy view events in realtime to help firefighters and law enforcement in an emergency.
the argument is commercial vendors screaming that free software is ruining their business model.
the business model of selling bad software and buying out any competitors who make anything better?
i have managed to successfully explain why open source programs are good to a number of non-programmers.
Realy shouldn't be to difficult, didn't some guy named John F. Nash get a Nobel Prize in economics for basicaly the same thing?
Well OK the movie said it was about getting a bunch of nerd's laid, and how their chances would be imporved by cooperating, that's pretty much game theory and like open source code developement isn't it.
It is still, however, a b**** to install and maintain.
let me tell you about how I used to have to walk 5 miles to school, bare-foot through 4 feet of snow, uphill in both directions.
Seriously slackware 1.2 was a bitch to install, but I think 9.0 is current; My last install was SuSE 8.1 on xfs filesystem and it went pretty smoothly,
one try for the actual linux install,
X configure using sax2 took two tries all of the hardware was automatically identified and reasonable values used on the first try, second try gort me the resolutions I wanted.
My new boss on the other hand, installed WinXP, took him two days, he's probably installed windows a few thousand times.
maintenence, who does it?, desktop users, get serious.
In linux you do a automatic update, and the logs are rotated by a cron script, in windows you do an automatic update for the os, for your virus scanner, for your spyware detection and removal software; not much difference actualy.
how many software products are you buying for windows, that are all ready included in a linux distro? Probably a lot.
how many useful little utilities did you use with windows 95 that were slowly discontinued as you upgraded through win95 - win98 - winME to winXP? probably a lot.
how many times have you paid for hardware with bundled software that broke your windows system by installing crap DLL over top of good DLLs?
You're still thinking of software in terms of pay-per-copy rather than as a service
most software users in these markets would be orgasmic if all they needed to do was pay for the software; the majority of the expense is in the service contracts, hardware and software expenses are chicken feed compared to support!
considering that nmap will scan an entire internet, It realy shouldn't be terribly difficult to built the database yourself.
advertiser have long tried to put metrics on advertisements, unfortunately it not posible. People do what people do and often forget that the motivator for a purchase was an ad they seen six months ago.
A classic was tab's bikini ad, girl in a bikini (only shown from neck to mid-thigh) walking on the beach holding a can of tab soft-drink, one one could remember what the product was, yet I'm sure it had a subconscious impact; especialy since it aired durring the middle sixties before the sexual revolution. Iwasn't even ten years old and I remember it.
I wonder how pissed everyone would get if sites highly filtered content based on if a banner ad was down-loaded to your IP address or not?
doing this wouldn't be to much of a burden to sites that sell their own advertising, but I can't see off the top of my head how somebody like linkshare or double-click would do it. I'm sure they could but It might take more than a simple log comparison to do it.