If a few of the not-so-lucky rely on spam to make a living,
Nice troll, but most of us realise that even if some of the Not-so-lucky could scrape up enough to capitalize the necessary equipment and bandwidth to do more than a trivial amount of spam, then the protection payments to the local crime-boss, police, and several govenment leaches would quickly suck any life out of the operation.
This is stealing GPL code into a proprietary product! Kiss Technology failed to answer our inquiry for their source files (which they are obligated to provide), so this news entry is posted.
Download KiSS DVD Player's source code
In appliance with the GNU General Public License, users are free to download the base source code of the KiSS DVD Players. This rule guarantee people's freedom to share and change free software. This General Public License applies to most of the Free Software Fundation's software and to any other program whose authors commit to using it.
also note that there are other copyrights/licenses involved from apple, macromedia and probably others that I didn't stumble across while taking a quick scan of there website. Of course I didn't actualy download the source to verify that it was there with the GPL text included, but it does make the mPlare crew sound a bit whiney don't it.
Actualy if the only violation of the GPL that the community can come up with is that a hardware didn't place the text of the GPL in firmware, we are either doing pretty good, or not looking hard enough!
Wonder if the GPL isn't printted in the back of the owner's manual or something, which the mplayer people wouldn't have seen, because they didn't buy the hardware?
compying mp3s. Frankly, that IS fair use because 1) there's no license and 2) they're raping you by charging too much money.
2). Actualy it's not rape, you've consented by buying the CD! 1). There is an implied license involved with CD's, since you've paid for the media, it implies you have a license to listen to it, which is actualy making a copy anyways. All of the details of the implied license are determined by the the lawyers in court and the legislature. just remember if you give a lawer permission to scratch your ass, he'll probably end up picking your teeth; and tell every one you consented.
Dude it's fish, it's not like some big-daddy male only GM'ed carp is going to rape the sexy virgin and create a creature for the black lagoon offspring or something.
Sure I find Montsanto's GMed palnts worrysome because the pollen will spread on the breaze and contaminate othe fields, but the problem is same species not cross species. The only organisms that have cross-species sex is bacteria, not fish.
Carp are a foreign species reeking ecological havoc in the Australian aquatic enviroment. Introducing a viable market for these fish will cause people there to raise them and escapees will extend the damage for centuries.
A further complicating effect is that the females in the population before the male-only gene is introduced have a seriously long life span. Koi, an ornimantal carp, bread and raised in captivity have been documented to live for over a century, and twentyfive years is easily achievable by amature aquarists and ponders. I've seen a wild carp, standed by receding flood water that 27 inches long which would indicate a rather old fish, I'd guess 30-50 years old.
short answer economics is about supply and demand; software has a nearly infinite supply, shipping a copy doesn't deplete the source of the copies. therefore software is essentialy valueless.
commercial software companies maintain an artifical scarity to stay in bussiness.
long answer yes packaging, distribution, programmers labeor has value, but less than you'd imagine.
wearen't they evaluating openoffice as part of a plan to migrate to Linux? that's the impression I got;
The ministry is aware that despite the substantial savings accrued by not buying Microsoft licenses, there would also be considerable installment costs.
my experience is OO for Win32 is an equivalent install to any other Win32 software. Additionaly
the Account General supreme inter-ministerial tenders committee had instructed IT managers at government ministries to buy PCs without Microsoft operating licenses from January 2004.
implies that Linux will probably be installed on all new Isreali PC's
They did it called windows, back in the old days of windows 95 almost all of my favorite networking utilities were there, sure they were slightly different but they were there. Now in windows xp, there are many less but still some.
it's like having the mail man knock on your door with mail that's postage due and then finding out that it just junk mail after you've paid him; the only technique that'll work is one where the postage-due junkmail doesn't get to my door.
My ISP has to pay to "download and store" the email, and then I have to pay to download and store the email until the software decides that it's spam and deletes it. Making the stamp for the email cost's the spammer about 8 sec of computer time, what they don't say is how much is it going to cost me to check the results, 1 sec or 1 minute? I realy don't see my ISP spending the time at the SMTP port to check the stamps coming in to their network, so it'll be up to me to do it.
All this realy do3es is builds up a "safe-list" which means a list of spammers who have taken 8 sec to send me a spam, sounds like an income oppertunity for hackers with a lot of zombie bots out in the wild.
Why not sue them for copyright infringement, and as part of discovery, make them supply all versions of unix source code so we can grep it for copyright infringement?
there stock price is going up, they will most likely make a profit and all for lying. As I understand it, SCOX is basicaly owned by Canopy, and if you take a look at their website, you'll see a few companys that they own that are actualy making money by distributing, using, and offering supporting software for Linux, as appossed to SCOX which realy isn't with UNIX. So in the long run if SCOX wins, canopy, will probably lose more than they won.
If as many lines of code are in Linux as they claim there are, then why keep it secret. If they keep the code secret for as long as possible, then the Judge/Jury will not see as much informed comentary in the media. And I'm not necessarily talking about case specific comentary either, the article said;
The new letters, signed by Ryan E. Tibbitts, SCO's general counsel, name more than 65 programming files that "have been copied verbatim from our copyrighted Unix code base and contributed to Linux."
It's not hard to imagine that the header files for POSIX 1 and POSIX 2 interfaces could be what they are talking about, and to the lay mind it would look bad. However to us we would see it as more akin to trying to copyright a database's data. I've only just dabbled in C, but I don't imagine that it would be difficult to write a few trivial C programs that compile and execute properly in Unix, Linux and Windows without any changes.
the Perl book haa a camel on the cover,
additioanly Larry Wall produced Perl for work at while at the NSA; a fine example of our tax dollars at work, by people at a clue-full if secretative government agency.
do "trade secrets" have any protection if they are not stolen?
IANAL but it seeems that a big chunk of SCO's case against IBM revolves around a contract that requires IBM to protect "AT&T trade secrets" and if the protect clause is effect if the trade secret is released by a third party, an IBM employee of division unaware of the trade secret or even a company purchased by IBM with a different "license". In fact they might be required to hold as a trade secret of SCO's, code to which they own the copyright to!
What if a non-experienced user needs to run your scripts?
If there is no GUI you do the test, the test is;
1. Do I trust the GUI user with my wife, my life? 2. If the data gets completely hosed, will I get blamed, have to work over-time to fix or find a new job? 3. Will the GUI-user blab any secrets we show him to his fellow GUI-users?
So if he's a guy that always; 1. backs up the data before doing any dangerous stuff, 2. brings your pistol back both cleaned and unloaded, 3. buys your wife dinner before sex and makes sure she showered before he drops her off at your house afterwards, 4. keeps his mouth shut then you might consider him for nomination to Command Line Wizard's apprentice entry-class! Otherwise you tell him it can't be done.
I'd personally favor a shot gun in the mouth, quick and sure,
I once made a lower denture for a man who had done that, placed a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger with his toe. Interesting x-rays. The moral of the story is there few sure ways of killing your self.
you're either trolling to start the old religious wars which are hardly necessary; or you haven't used X in about the last 5 years or so.
my experiance lately has been that X id's cards and monitors better the firstime than windows does. [Cntrl]+[alt]+[+} or [cntrl]+[alt]+[-] changes screen resolution on the fly just find on any X you happen to run; in fact when windoser see me do this in Linux, they get envious
not too long ago I loaded SuSE 8.1 pro on a new 'puter; 8.1 is a release about a year or so old and definately a 2.4 series kernal. I installed the XFS filesystem, primarily to spite SCO, but was plesantly surprised with its performance, its much faster than the reiserFS i had previously used.
1 Buy proprietary software that sort of almost does what you want and change business method to fit software, pay big money up front plus support contract.
2 Hire programers to write 5 million lines of code taking 2 years costing big money.
3 Hire programer to add a 10 thousand lines module to code in existing GPL'd project taking 8 weeks,
a keep module plus any fixes to base code and never be able to distribute it. Negaqtive Karma due to being stingy but legal.
b submit fixes to base code back to project, keep module and never distribute it. Karma nuetral and legal.
c submit everything back to the project and watch your competitors steam over your module being better than the module that they didn't release. Positive Karma
Besides if your competitors aren't using open source the chances are good they'd never see it. Open source is free, as in freedom of choise the above is pretty much your choises.
This results in a system where the rich always get richer, until the poor realize that it isn't such a good idea and start a revolution.
You're describing a system of feudalism more than captialism; one where artificial barriers to entry are errected to exclude competion. Now a days instead of a Duke or Earl owning all of the land and trying to make us all serf's, we have coperatations.
Example if the stock brokerage sets high intial investment standards to keep people out of the market; people can always form investment clubs to pool their money to overcome those barriers. There will always be ways arround those barriers, and business plans dependant upon artificial barriers will always be vulnerable. Artificialy expensive software resulted in open source competion, Artificialy high intial investment resulted in stock-market clubs. The revolution you warn of has been going on for a long time now, and occasionaly it has been bloody.
As half of Canadians live within 50 miles ofthe us, it would be statisticaly improbable for one to live 100 miles away. Ataboys to anyone who can name the four countries that share a boarder with the US.
since you are already at +5 intersting, you dodn't need my mod point so here's why your comment is even more interesting; you said...
...part of the contract that SCO currently owns states that if Microsoft EVER decides to build another UNIX based OS, that SCO has exclusive rights on building that OS.
when all of this SCO brewhaha started I ventured over to opengroup's website, and found a reference to the probability that windowsNT (which I can't find now) would qualify for unix branding or would with very little effort. In fact unix.org does say that
Microsoft(R) Windows NT was developed as a completely new, state of the art, 32 bit operating system. As such, it has no connection with the UNIX system source code. However, market demand for POSIX.1 , POSIX.2 has led to developments by several companies of add-ons that provide partial functionality. Should the functionality meet the requirements of the UNIX brand then indeed it could become a registered UNIX system.
So for Microsoft to give SCO $50M to either kill Linux or die trying is a win/win situation for Microsoft.
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If a few of the not-so-lucky rely on spam to make a living,
Nice troll, but most of us realise that even if some of the Not-so-lucky could scrape up enough to capitalize the necessary equipment and bandwidth to do more than a trivial amount of spam, then the protection payments to the local crime-boss, police, and several govenment leaches would quickly suck any life out of the operation.
to which kiss responds also note that there are other copyrights/licenses involved from apple, macromedia and probably others that I didn't stumble across while taking a quick scan of there website. Of course I didn't actualy download the source to verify that it was there with the GPL text included, but it does make the mPlare crew sound a bit whiney don't it.
Actualy if the only violation of the GPL that the community can come up with is that a hardware didn't place the text of the GPL in firmware, we are either doing pretty good, or not looking hard enough!
Wonder if the GPL isn't printted in the back of the owner's manual or something, which the mplayer people wouldn't have seen, because they didn't buy the hardware?
compying mp3s. Frankly, that IS fair use because 1) there's no license and 2) they're raping you by charging too much money.
2). Actualy it's not rape, you've consented by buying the CD!
1). There is an implied license involved with CD's, since you've paid for the media, it implies you have a license to listen to it, which is actualy making a copy anyways. All of the details of the implied license are determined by the the lawyers in court and the legislature. just remember if you give a lawer permission to scratch your ass, he'll probably end up picking your teeth; and tell every one you consented.
Dude it's fish, it's not like some big-daddy male only GM'ed carp is going to rape the sexy virgin and create a creature for the black lagoon offspring or something.
Sure I find Montsanto's GMed palnts worrysome because the pollen will spread on the breaze and contaminate othe fields, but the problem is same species not cross species. The only organisms that have cross-species sex is bacteria, not fish.
Carp are a foreign species reeking ecological havoc in the Australian aquatic enviroment. Introducing a viable market for these fish will cause people there to raise them and escapees will extend the damage for centuries.
A further complicating effect is that the females in the population before the male-only gene is introduced have a seriously long life span. Koi, an ornimantal carp, bread and raised in captivity have been documented to live for over a century, and twentyfive years is easily achievable by amature aquarists and ponders. I've seen a wild carp, standed by receding flood water that 27 inches long which would indicate a rather old fish, I'd guess 30-50 years old.
short answer
economics is about supply and demand; software has a nearly infinite supply, shipping a copy doesn't deplete the source of the copies. therefore software is essentialy valueless.
commercial software companies maintain an artifical scarity to stay in bussiness.
long answer yes packaging, distribution, programmers labeor has value, but less than you'd imagine.
that's the impression I got; my experience is OO for Win32 is an equivalent install to any other Win32 software. Additionaly implies that Linux will probably be installed on all new Isreali PC's
MS might come out with a BSD derived OS though.
They did it called windows, back in the old days of windows 95 almost all of my favorite networking utilities were there, sure they were slightly different but they were there. Now in windows xp, there are many less but still some.
it's like having the mail man knock on your door with mail that's postage due and then finding out that it just junk mail after you've paid him; the only technique that'll work is one where the postage-due junkmail doesn't get to my door.
My ISP has to pay to "download and store" the email, and then I have to pay to download and store the email until the software decides that it's spam and deletes it. Making the stamp for the email cost's the spammer about 8 sec of computer time, what they don't say is how much is it going to cost me to check the results, 1 sec or 1 minute? I realy don't see my ISP spending the time at the SMTP port to check the stamps coming in to their network, so it'll be up to me to do it.
All this realy do3es is builds up a "safe-list" which means a list of spammers who have taken 8 sec to send me a spam, sounds like an income oppertunity for hackers with a lot of zombie bots out in the wild.
Why not sue them for copyright infringement, and as part of discovery, make them supply all versions of unix source code so we can grep it for copyright infringement?
there stock price is going up, they will most likely make a profit and all for lying.
As I understand it, SCOX is basicaly owned by Canopy, and if you take a look at their website, you'll see a few companys that they own that are actualy making money by distributing, using, and offering supporting software for Linux, as appossed to SCOX which realy isn't with UNIX. So in the long run if SCOX wins, canopy, will probably lose more than they won.
If they keep the code secret for as long as possible, then the Judge/Jury will not see as much informed comentary in the media. And I'm not necessarily talking about case specific comentary either, the article said; It's not hard to imagine that the header files for POSIX 1 and POSIX 2 interfaces could be what they are talking about, and to the lay mind it would look bad. However to us we would see it as more akin to trying to copyright a database's data. I've only just dabbled in C, but I don't imagine that it would be difficult to write a few trivial C programs that compile and execute properly in Unix, Linux and Windows without any changes.
the Perl book haa a camel on the cover,
additioanly Larry Wall produced Perl for work at while at the NSA; a fine example of our tax dollars at work, by people at a clue-full if secretative government agency.
do "trade secrets" have any protection if they are not stolen?
IANAL but it seeems that a big chunk of SCO's case against IBM revolves around a contract that requires IBM to protect "AT&T trade secrets" and if the protect clause is effect if the trade secret is released by a third party, an IBM employee of division unaware of the trade secret or even a company purchased by IBM with a different "license". In fact they might be required to hold as a trade secret of SCO's, code to which they own the copyright to!
What if a non-experienced user needs to run your scripts?
If there is no GUI you do the test, the test is;
1. Do I trust the GUI user with my wife, my life?
2. If the data gets completely hosed, will I get blamed, have to work over-time to fix or find a new job?
3. Will the GUI-user blab any secrets we show him to his fellow GUI-users?
So if he's a guy that always;
1. backs up the data before doing any dangerous stuff,
2. brings your pistol back both cleaned and unloaded,
3. buys your wife dinner before sex and makes sure she showered before he drops her off at your house afterwards,
4. keeps his mouth shut
then you might consider him for nomination to Command Line Wizard's apprentice entry-class! Otherwise you tell him it can't be done.
Just because it's not the *nix way doesn't mean it's the wrong way
Now I know why windows doesn't have millions of line of code stolen from SVR4!
I'd personally favor a shot gun in the mouth, quick and sure,
I once made a lower denture for a man who had done that, placed a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger with his toe. Interesting x-rays. The moral of the story is there few sure ways of killing your self.
you're either trolling to start the old religious wars which are hardly necessary; or you haven't used X in about the last 5 years or so.
my experiance lately has been that X id's cards and monitors better the firstime than windows does. [Cntrl]+[alt]+[+} or [cntrl]+[alt]+[-] changes screen resolution on the fly just find on any X you happen to run; in fact when windoser see me do this in Linux, they get envious
not too long ago I loaded SuSE 8.1 pro on a new 'puter; 8.1 is a release about a year or so old and definately a 2.4 series kernal. I installed the XFS filesystem, primarily to spite SCO, but was plesantly surprised with its performance, its much faster than the reiserFS i had previously used.
options;
1 Buy proprietary software that sort of almost does what you want and change business method to fit software, pay big money up front plus support contract.
2 Hire programers to write 5 million lines of code taking 2 years costing big money.
3 Hire programer to add a 10 thousand lines module to code in existing GPL'd project taking 8 weeks,
a keep module plus any fixes to base code and never be able to distribute it. Negaqtive Karma due to being stingy but legal.
b submit fixes to base code back to project, keep module and never distribute it. Karma nuetral and legal.
c submit everything back to the project and watch your competitors steam over your module being better than the module that they didn't release. Positive Karma
Besides if your competitors aren't using open source the chances are good they'd never see it. Open source is free, as in freedom of choise the above is pretty much your choises.
This results in a system where the rich always get richer, until the poor realize that it isn't such a good idea and start a revolution.
You're describing a system of feudalism more than captialism; one where artificial barriers to entry are errected to exclude competion. Now a days instead of a Duke or Earl owning all of the land and trying to make us all serf's, we have coperatations.
Example if the stock brokerage sets high intial investment standards to keep people out of the market; people can always form investment clubs to pool their money to overcome those barriers. There will always be ways arround those barriers, and business plans dependant upon artificial barriers will always be vulnerable. Artificialy expensive software resulted in open source competion, Artificialy high intial investment resulted in stock-market clubs. The revolution you warn of has been going on for a long time now, and occasionaly it has been bloody.
As half of Canadians live within 50 miles ofthe us, it would be statisticaly improbable for one to live 100 miles away. Ataboys to anyone who can name the four countries that share a boarder with the US.
when all of this SCO brewhaha started I ventured over to opengroup's website, and found a reference to the probability that windowsNT (which I can't find now) would qualify for unix branding or would with very little effort. In fact unix.org does say that So for Microsoft to give SCO $50M to either kill Linux or die trying is a win/win situation for Microsoft.